Why do I keep hearing this?

If this is so what colors effect what aspect?

affect?

I have heard this too. Some of the people that I play with absolutely swear this is true. Especially concerning early Crushes. Personally, I have thrown 5-6 different colors of Crushes and they all seem to fly the same to me. I even have carry several different runs they seem to fly the same as well. The only time I get a "different" flight pattern from a Crush is when I throw it wrong :p !

I can not buy this one anymore, in the old days I think it did a lot more than today, back when Cyclones were the bomb you needed green or white for overstable and pinkies for straight to understable.

The only issue with color now may be from Innova in the star line, some of the colors are more grippy than others and this may effect the release which could appear to influence the stability. It is a consistancy issue, I think that as the sport continues to grow and the production gets more automated all of these concerns will be gone the way of the DODO bird.
When you look at other sports equipment you would be appaled to see for instance two suposedly identical bats that are cosmeticly and structuraly different. This is the norm in golf discs, I cant count the times I have been shopping for plastic and held three of the same disc in same weight and color and mold and felt very noticable differences. I would guess that the next evolution for the game will be in manufacturing consistacy
my .02

I would guess that the next evolution for the game will be in manufacturing consistacy




I REALLY hope that's the next advanement in disc golf. It's unreal the variation from run to run and even in the colors. Maybe the manufacturers should take a time out from creating new discs and focus on consistently producing the ones they already make. Maybe then players will have the confidence to buy new discs from manufacturers instead of paying obscene amounts of money for them on ebay. It's only going to increase the amount of discs they sell since less players will be going to third parties for their "special" discs.

I agree, I was talking to another guy about this the other day, he was of the opinion that a major manufacturer will eventually step in and either mold discs for current companies or make their own line (read nike adidas)

I think that Dave Mac is on the right track, working with other manufacturers and sharing mold and facilities, I think if Gateway Innova and Discraft cic a joint effort there could be great strides, you have to assume that they all use a simular technique but all have suttle differences, maybe a colaboration would help everyone involved, especially the players.

When I threw z-wildcats and they were all brand new...I had a blue one that was dead straight, a red one that was overstable as crap, and a yellow one that was understable. This was also true of my z-wasps. Can't say I've had the same experience with Innova except for orcs. Red ones are super flippy, blue ones are really overstable.

Yellow STAR is flippy? Thats what Im hearing.

When I threw z-wildcats and they were all brand new...I had a blue one that was dead straight, a red one that was overstable as crap, and a yellow one that was understable. This was also true of my z-wasps. Can't say I've had the same experience with Innova except for orcs. Red ones are super flippy, blue ones are really overstable.



Yes colors can change a flight characteristic and the example you give above is one of the main reasons.
The darker the color the longer it takes to cool.
The longer it takes to cool the flatter on top. The flatter on top the more overstable, given the fact that the wings have the same concave.
Wing concave can be altered with the profile of injection making them less or more concave, which is really important.
Weight and stability are less of a factor than most would think, weight could have an effect on resistance to turn and shape has more to do with low speed fade.

For those waiting for a controlled percision duplication of runs, I wouldnt hold your breathe.
There is not one single company that MAKES their own plastic for discs and even if they did there are variations, especially when producing only 20,000 lb runs.
Ill give an example of why it will never happen.
There are 9 truckloads of transitional material sitting in a warehouse right now that is used for H, X and Proline.
Each truck holds 40,000lbs.

These materials are bewteen runs of diffferent duramters ranginng from 30 D shore to 72 D shore that do not meet existing specs, mainly used by BIG time companies that buy millions of lbs of plastic each year.
A wide spec polymer would not be that good for an automotive plant as it would need to have the machines adjusted, but for discs which are usually blends anyway need adjustments on each run until you get what your looking for. What your lookjng for could be weight, shape, grip and most of the time all 3.

Will players pay $100 per disc to assure they are the exact same as last time.

Most players love new discs and buy the heck out of every new disc that comes out, very few players in the whole scope of things can tell the difference between runs anyway.
Besides mid-level ams - top advanced players are changing thier lineup every week, its one of the big reasons they cant catch up with the top pros.

Being sposnored gives a huge advantage to players as they get to choose their line-up of 14 discs from a box of a 100, while other players buy 1 or 2 ata time and try to make them work.
If I need to fill a gap in my bag, I grab 4 or 5 of the disc I want take it to a field and figure out which one I like. This will give you a lot of confidence in that disc.

OK back to work, I am rambling now :confused:

thanks for the 411 dave.

Now back to work? On beadless wizards?

so you take 4 or 5 discs (total value at retail of $60-$75) just to find ONE that works for you, and I'm sure others do similair so why would it be so difficult to believe that people would pay $75-$100 for a disc that would be 99% guranteed to fly the way it is designed and marketed too fly?

I however feel that this disparity in discs also makes the game more competitve, if every disc flew perfect everytime this game would get pretty boring, real fast.

I'm not sure if there is anything that could be done that would make each disc fly the same, especially gearing up a run 2 months later and regardless of how much players are willing to pay
The point was theres only one way to tell how a disc flies for sure ( THROW IT!)

Sometimes all 5 disc will fly pretty close to the same but for some reason 1 or 2 will seem a bit more suited for what you were looking for( or at least you will think so), this is where you get the confidnece in the disc.

There are WAY too many variables in injection molding an aerodynamic part, you would have to see a production run set up to understand.
If runs of discs were closer to 100,000 per run there would be a better chance of you getting something closer to what you had 2 months before.

Why do I keep hearing this?

If this is so what colors effect what aspect?


Pink discs fly farther. It been true since the Cyclone, and it's still true today. :)

Tru dat! I have had my farthest throws ever with a very feminine powder pink 149g DX Wraith.

Pink is the new Black.

If I had a black DX Wraith, you bet your burro I'd be throwing it!

Why do I keep hearing this?

If this is so what colors effect what aspect?


Pink discs fly farther. It been true since the Cyclone, and it's still true today. :)



This was the first thing I learned about my discs when I got into the sport ten years ago - that pink Cyclones were da bomb.

Since then, I've never experienced pink being any better for other discs. I have noticed that very few guys want to throw pink discs, and TDs would then use them as prizes in tournaments to get rid of them.

It never bothered me though - these are the most high visibility of all the colors and are tough to lose. There's not much in nature that's pink - I don't think I ever lost a pink disc.

When you're as big (6'-3 1/2", 215#), ugly, & tattoo-covered as I, nobody is going to give you much guff about throwing pink discs or 150s, both of which I quite often do. :D

When you're as big (6'-3 1/2", 215#), ugly, & tattoo-covered as I, nobody is going to give you much guff about throwing pink discs or 150s, both of which I quite often do. :D


I didn't know Mike Tyson played disc golf. :eek:

Hmmmmmmmmm.......................I have noticed that some Red and Blue discs , fly less stable than some Greens , Yellow's and White's.

Not so true of Black or Glow though. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I think the Mythbusters (of Discovery Channel fame) need to construct a "disc throwing machine":cool:, something that duplicates the same throw variables over and over again, then we could all know for sure. Goodness knows, I can't throw the same shot twice even with the same disc :D?

nanook

I think the Mythbusters (of Discovery Channel fame) need to construct a "disc throwing machine":cool:, something that duplicates the same throw variables over and over again, then we could all know for sure.



oh man I love LOVE to see how far Jamie could throw a disc, it would end up just like that stupid toast dropping one though. anyone know how to submit show ideas?

btw my Pink roadrunner sucks compared to my red one.