OK, 2 was sorta funny, 10 are getting old. especially when they are way off topic.

Let's stop, please.

There's a miscellaneous area if you want to continue them.

Maybe we could blend them all into an "Ask Scoot_er about Anything" Miscellaneous thread. :D

at the very least

I sent a pm's to a few moderators of threads over the past few days, but not one has been returned.
they continue to post but not answer PM's.

I agree that the Ask Scooter threads should be moved to the misc. topics area.
Rhett can you do this?

Does anoyone know how to get rid of the extra numbers at the end of a thread.
It seems funky that I would have to search for the last post everytime I go to the Ask David Mac thread.

And yet here is another thread dedicated to Scoot er. Kind of ironic.
The legend grows.

And to clarify only 2 are ridiculous. George Foreman grills and Dove soap. Everyone already knows 1st run GFG's in the silver color perform the best. Same as the 1st run blue Dove soap.

Scoot er any thoughts on having a seperate category dedicated strictly to you and your knowledge of discs? :D

And to clarify only 2 are ridiculous. Everyone already knows 1st run GFG's in the silver color perform the best. Same as the 1st run blue Dove soap.




Actually, I've got a 1st run Foreman in white that holds 6 burgers, or 10 hot dogs, or 8 sausages, or 4 butterflied chicken breasts....and it's white. Performs like a champ! He signed it for me too!!! :D

And yet here is another thread dedicated to Scoot er. Kind of ironic.
The legend grows.

And to clarify only 2 are ridiculous. George Foreman grills and Dove soap. Everyone already knows 1st run GFG's in the silver color perform the best. Same as the 1st run blue Dove soap.




hold up! don't be implying i am an e-bay seller out to mislead anybody. there were a very small number of GFG's that were part of the 1st run but happened to get stamped with the 2nd run label. i just so happened to buy up almost all of them several years ago and sell them from time to time at my <font color="blue"> store </font> -- so please don't impune my good name.

also, i hear there was a test run of the Dove soap done before the blue coloring was added to the first runs. most of them are in a cherry red color, but there also may have been a few done in 'ice'

visit my <font color="blue"> store on Ebay </font> for more details! :D

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also, i hear there was a test run of the Dove soap done before the blue coloring was added to the first runs. most of them are in a cherry red color, but there also may have been a few done in 'ice'


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It's pretty obvious you're new to the Dove soap collector market. "Ice" dove was not available as a color option until the mid 90's clearly making it at least a 7th or 8th run.
The 1st run red test soap were mere prototypes and not made available to the general public. Although a few samples were snuck out of the factory and into hands of collectors. Premium prices for these bottles.

can you post a picture of the original first run stamp? I want to make sure that someone in Wisconsin didn't jip me

also, i hear there was a test run of the Dove soap done before the blue coloring was added to the first runs. most of them are in a cherry red color, but there also may have been a few done in 'ice'


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It's pretty obvious you're new to the Dove soap collector market. "Ice" dove was not available as a color option until the mid 90's clearly making it at least a 7th or 8th run.
The 1st run red test soap were mere prototypes and not made available to the general public. Although a few samples were snuck out of the factory and into hands of collectors. Premium prices for these bottles.

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And, of course, using Dove to wash golf discs is only the latest incarnation of the link between consumer-based cleaning products and flying disc toys.

Legend tells of workers at a small pie factory in New England finding that Dr. Lever's "Sunlight Soap" worked best to remove stubborn crust buildup in the corners of their favorite tossing pans. Another variant of this tale describes how members of an Ivy League college sailing club used Lifebouy soap to remove clam oil residue on their favorite pie tins, which they used for both cooking and flinging (being that they were cost-concious college students...).

So what's the Dove connection? A popular version of the story contends that a west-coast cleaning product sales rep was on a marketing trip to New England, touting his company's disc-washing detergent - "Saturn Saucepan Soap." As he walked across the college campus (cruising for coeds, no doubt) he spotted some students playing a golf-like game, throwing pie plates at various objects, and counting the number of throws it took to hit the designated target. They used terminology similar to that popular in ball golf, describing their scores relative to "par" - with one over par being a "bogey" and one under par being a "birdie". The players also fastidiously cleaned their pie plates after each shot, because of the muddy condition of the campus grounds (it was the height of the rainy season).

Intrigued, the sales rep (Randolph "Tater" Melon) followed the group, witnessing an amazing site. As one player launched his plate, it caromed off a passing Mourning Dove, which caused a mid-flight correction. The plate screamed toward the target, hitting the desgnated lampost for a "pole-in-one." This elicited shouts of "Dovie, Dovie!" from all of the players - "Dovie" being their term for two under par. Melon found the monicker to be cute and catchy, and watched as the player washed the Dove blood off his plate, using an ample dollop of Lux detergent. Some contend that a playing partner mentioned that his throw had been somewhat of a "Lux-y" shot...

Melon returned to the west coast, and launched the Dove product line for washing flying discs (he dropped the letter "i" from the name to avoid possible trademark infringement lawsuits).

So, there really is quite a bit of history behind the soap-golf disc connection.

can you post a picture of the original first run stamp? I want to make sure that someone in Wisconsin didn't jip me



1st runs were all ghost stamped. Simply Dove. Fake ones on ebay right now with a paper stamp being advertised as 1st runs. Also be aware of true 1st run bottles where the Dove sap has been replaced with Palmolive.
1st run blueberry Dove is a lighter blue than the fakes, although the shady ones will claim every Blue soap is 1st run Dove.

Victor Mackafore has one of those "dovie" pie plates in his collection. Still has flakes of soap visible around the outer rim.

Didn't know about Tater Melon's involvement with connection though. I was always a fan of his meeting him back at the World Soap Off's back in 74. Man than guy could do wonders with a bar of soap and a pie plate. Fisrt he'd cook the pie (blueberry of course), clean it with soap, toss it into the air to spin dry (think he still holds the record for MTA) and then freestyle for the crowd. Amazing!!

Didn't "crazy" john Brooks intern with him? I thought I read that in a DGWN last year.

Not quite. It was "Mildly Schizophrenic" John Breck. He is a proponent of using shampoo and conditioner rather than dish soap on discs. He contends that the conditioner helps his spike hyzer shots hold their line.

I've got a video of "bipolar" John Breck almost hitting a 60 foot ace from atop a dam, throwing the now discontinued Innova Boulder.
Man that guy had some bouncing and behaving hair too.

I heard that Dave Bevel came up with the idea of adding salt to a disc after washing it with soap in order to get them to fly faster, farther, and truer -- especially into headwinds. when that practice first began to catch on, discers would have to approach people picnic'ing at a public park and ask them to pass the salt over from the table . there was one kid of a great disc golfer back then who would tag along and often got the salt for his old man. he was just learning to talk and he would say to his dad:
"overs-table?" (running the two words into each other) to ask if his dad wanted some salt to get his disc to fly true and good into the wind after a washing. later that same year that kid's old man played a huge tournament and the kid kept saying "overs-table" ? the headwinds were formidable that weekend and the salt really helped that kid's old man throw some great shots. after he finished the last round 20 strokes in the lead, at the awards ceremony the TD noted how well the winner's discs had flown into the headwinds. everyone spontaneously yelled out "overs-table" because they all had gotten such a kick out of that guy's cute kid. since that day, discs that don't turn over in headwinds are often called overstable ;)

That reminds me - one other bit of nomenclature that came from the pie tin flippers was that when right-handed backhand players needed to negotiate a left-to-right curving shot, they would switch from their regular pie tin to a baking pan used specifically for apple or blueberry turnovers ... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D :eek: :D

speaking of word-use origins -- and moving almost back on-topic -- anyone know how scoot_er got that nickname?

That reminds me - one other bit of nomenclature that came from the pie tin flippers was that when right-handed backhand players needed to negotiate a left-to-right curving shot, they would switch from their regular pie tin to a baking pan used specifically for apple or blueberry turnovers ... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



not sure which disc golfer it was, but i heard that the term roller has an interesting origin... some big tournament was going on in the early days, and the lead card was on a downhill hole 18. they were all knotted up after the guy that had been in the lead took a bogey while everyone else had birdied or taken par on hole17. the first three guys all drive within 20 feet. the last guy to tee off walked up to the tee and sneezed and dropped his disc straight down. that baby almost fell over but the downhill incline got her a rollin... it picked up speed and headed straight for the pin! then it nailed a stump, bounced up, and landed in the basket for a hole-in-one and the win. a couple guys on the card argued it was pure luck but the thrower -- i think his name may have been Ace Sneezeroll -- insisted he meant to drop the disc and do that. When challenged then about what he calls that type of 'shot' he replied without hesitating: a roller /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nice !!!! " Legend tells of workers at a small pie factory in New England finding that Dr. Lever's "Sunlight Soap" worked best to remove stubborn crust buildup in the corners of their favorite tossing pans. Another variant of this tale describes how members of an Ivy League college sailing club used Lifebouy soap to remove clam oil residue on their favorite pie tins, which they used for both cooking and flinging (being that they were cost-concious college students...). " :D

Another variant of the story I had heard for the term roller was that Ace Sneezeroll threw that shot most often with larger-diameter Midnight Flyer discs - the ones that were large enough to give you ample room to manufacture a hand-made hemp-filled cigarette.

When Ace was asked which disc he was going to use for the ground-hugging shot, his reply was: "I'm going to use my roller disc ." These discs were also often referred to as lids (another term for a large quantity of smoking hemp) - ask a freestyler.

that makes a heck of a lot of sense. maybe he was using a roller disc to roll a cigarettte with and then he realized it was his turn to drive. i think a sneeze was involved too... (?)

that makes a heck of a lot of sense. maybe he was using a roller disc to roll a cigarettte with and then he realized it was his turn to drive. i think a sneeze was involved too... (?)



He may have also had his hands full with a snack - munchies, you know.

Did you ever hear how Ace came up with the term anhyzer ? ;)

no, but if you have please share the history with us. :cool:

Another variant of the story I had heard for the term roller was that Ace Sneezeroll threw that shot most often with larger-diameter Midnight Flyer discs - the ones that were large enough to give you ample room to manufacture a hand-made hemp-filled cigarette.

When Ace was asked which disc he was going to use for the ground-hugging shot, his reply was: "I'm going to use my roller disc ." These discs were also often referred to as lids (another term for a large quantity of smoking hemp) - ask a freestyler.



What !!!!! :eek: " Did you ever hear how Ace came up with the term anhyzer ? "

OK . I'll bite !!!!

I met the guy that the "Hyzer" was named after at my uncle's church in NJ. His name was Joe hyzer. No joke BTW

I knew this lady by the name of Christy Frisbee !!!!! :eek:

I knew this lady by the name of Christy Frisbee !!!!! :eek:

I met the guy that the "Hyzer" was named after at my uncle's church in NJ. His name was Joe hyzer. No joke BTW



maybe Joe Hyzer married Christy Frisbee's sister An[n]?
they would do everything the opposite of each other like a lot of married couples -- hence he threw with hyzer and she threw with anhyzer?
:eek: :D

I knew this lady by the name of Christy Frisbee !!!!! :eek:

I met the guy that the "Hyzer" was named after at my uncle's church in NJ. His name was Joe hyzer. No joke BTW



maybe Joe Hyzer married Christy Frisbee's sister An[n]?
they would do everything the opposite of each other like a lot of married couples -- hence he threw with hyzer and she threw with anhyzer?
:eek: :D



LOL !!!!! :D And their kids would throw flat line drives !!!!! :D

I knew this lady by the name of Christy Frisbee !!!!! :eek:

I met the guy that the "Hyzer" was named after at my uncle's church in NJ. His name was Joe hyzer. No joke BTW




maybe Joe Hyzer married Christy Frisbee's sister An[n]?
they would do everything the opposite of each other like a lot of married couples -- hence he threw with hyzer and she threw with anhyzer?
:eek: :D



LOL !!!!! :D And their kids would throw flat line drives !!!!! :D



No. Actually, the term anhyzer was another one of Ace's creations. See, the course that Ace and his "buddies" usually played was quite hot and dry, and players were usually looking for a beverage to slake their thirsts after about seven holes. Unfortunately, hole seven was about as far from the course snack shack as you could get, but it was alongside a road that bordered the course. Ace and his pals would hide a cooler of cold malted beverages under a small dense shrub along the right-hand side of the seventh fairway, about 320 feet from the tee, near the putting area. They usually preferred to fill the cooler with Busch beer.

So, a perfectly executed left-to-right curve shot by a RHBH thrower would end up near the shrub, or what came to be known as the anhyzer bush (named for Anheiser Busch).