starts today....c'mon Brinster and McGahey...go Skylanders!!! ahhh. gotta give a 'yeah GO' to baby frizzak flores too. have fun y'all...wish i was there.

Nice round Hellman!!! show em how we do it here in the great ATX .:D

Is this the first time Bobby V has been back in action? That's great to see.

Is this the first time Bobby V has been back in action? That's great to see.

I believe so, last time I saw him was at the Hambrick, when he was selling off all his lod plastic to pay off bills from his accident. like 3 or 4 years ago.

I just checked the ratings files and he has 8 rounds rated in 2005 some from March and some in October. This could be his first big NT event though.

moneys on JJ

wow there is a lot of score distribution

Either they were real accurate setting par on those holes or they looked at the SSA after the first round and set the par to match it.

Tear it Hellman!!!!.......Texas style......... :D

I thought that there was live scoring proivided to those less fortunate for national tour events??

I think they only do that when there are tee times. It looks like this is a shotgun start. Maybe live scoring for the top group in the final round, or final 9 if they have one.

Congrats Jeff Hellman, way to hang in there at an NT! Now turn it up a notch and finish strong!

GO, GO, if I know you! LOSE, LOSE, if I dont... Not really! Good luck to ALL! Great looking field of Golfers. :cool:"meister"

sweet!!!ROUND ROCK!!!!!!!keep it up jeff!!

ditto. Smooth and long :D

The race is geTTing tighter, McCray separating himself from Barry.

down to 2, geTTing inTTeresting.

http://www.pdgatour.com/results.php?Div=MPO

Looks like they are doing Live Scoring for the top Open card in round 3.

One has to wonder if hole#13 is truly a par four if three of the four players scored a 2 on it.

Looks like that "par 4" hole 13 needs to be made a little tougher.

Looks like that "par 4" hole 13 needs to be made a little tougher.



Hehe, Chuck, I beat you to it by a millisecond.

What about hole 15? Everyone took bogey fours?

I appreciate that they took a shot at getting appropriate pars loaded in and they hit the SSA perfect on Friday. Every TD will get better at it as more players notice it. I see more TDs putting pars other than 54 in the online results this year which is a good sign.

If McCray can keep it close, there's a still a Final 9 ahead.

John E. Demon will give Climo a run for his $$$$$ Go Gateway!!

ROUND ROCK!!!


lets go MAYO!!

Looks like that "par 4" hole 13 needs to be made a little tougher.



Hehe, Chuck, I beat you to it by a millisecond.

What about hole 15? Everyone took bogey fours?

If 15 is the hole that I am thinking about, it is a very tough par 4 or an basic par 5.

If McCray can keep it close, there's a still a Final 9 ahead.

He ruined all his momentum on the easy par 3 finishing hole. :(

Looks like that "par 4" hole 13 needs to be made a little tougher.



Hehe, Chuck, I beat you to it by a millisecond.

What about hole 15? Everyone took bogey fours?

If 15 is the hole that I am thinking about, it is a very tough par 4 or an basic par 5.



Which is why it was silly that it was listed as a par 3. Thanks for the clarification, Schwebby. Like Chuck said, I also appreciate that they took a shot at getting appropriate pars loaded in, but it looks like some were off the mark.

Just talked to JJ - Hofmann knocks Brinster out of the final 9 with a 68 (i think).

Mike is 8 back of Barry however...

Brinster 5th
Boobs 6th
JJ 7th

Hofmann, CR Willy, Boobs and JJ all qualified for USDGC (not sure who the 5th is)

way to finish with two birdies at the end Brinster...held on to 5th...now get on home so i can give ya some lovin...

way to finish in the top 10 Hellman!!

Brinster 5th
Boobs 6th
JJ 7th

Hofmann, CR Willy, Boobs and JJ all qualified for USDGC (not sure who the 5th is)



Did J. Hellman qualify!!a 959 rated Round Rock local!!Way to play Mayo!!!!!! :D:DROUND ROCK!!!!!

Hellman in da hooouuuussseeeee!!!! Way to put it to bro!! That plane flight is gonna be draggin' with all that sand on the way back to TEJAS.... 959 haha not anymore :D

SWEET finish by Hammock! How long did the playoff last?

One of the best tourneys I have ever been to, hands down. I met a lot of great golfers, people, locals, and women. Hopefully next time, I can shoot consistently, and make something happen like Jeff. Way to go babe!! Texas States, here we come!!

WTG MAYO!
GIVE HIM A BID!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
ROUND ROCK!!!!! :D

Great shooting Hofmann, and way to qualify!!!

BOOBS!!!
$420.00 :cool:

Way to rep NC JJ and Hoffy!! Nice shootin!

way to reb the rock jeff hellman

Kid, you cashed, but have all the potenial of Boobs and more, IF you do not get bored(spelling). Jeff, Kelldog has his hands full!
Ron

PS Kelldog, the competition, will be tough(spelling) ! I know you know, my firend. Right now my mind has switched, I have FrameO, the favorite at BG.

Peace Jeff and Kelldog.

Kdog,
See you next week world dubs.

Peace to both of you,

Ron

Kid, you cashed, but have all the potenial of Boobs and more, IF you do not get bored(spelling). Jeff, Kelldog has his hands full!
Ron

PS Kelldog, the competition, will be tough(spelling) ! I know you know, my firend. Right now my mind has switched, I have FrameO, the favorite at BG.

Peace Jeff and Kelldog.

Kdog,
See you next week world dubs.

Peace to both of you,

Ron

Frame is still playing AMS????
WOW

Congrats to Mike Hofmann for make Team Innova! Way to go man, welcome to the team. :D

Does Team Innova take 959 rated players? LOL, Just kidding...WTG Mike, congrats. I watched some really outstanding golf by you.

Did you qualify for the usdgc jeff?

I picked him up from the airport on monday and he said that since there was a tie they gave the last USDGC qualifying spot to the player in the tie with the highest player rating. Thats BS you would think that they would give the player with the lowest player rating the spot since they really proved they could hang in there like jeff did last weekend.
my .02

If you're familair with bag tags, you have to actually beat the person to get their lower number, not just tie them...

BS!! using player rating as the determining factor is ridiculous!!hell a coin flip would have made more sense!

I agree, If they tied, they should both get qualified.

You can BS all you want but the person who is lower on the ladder in any sport's challenge system has to beat, not tie, the person above them to take their place. Once the higher person has qualified in a tie, it makes room for the person who tied them to qualify the next time.

I'm sorry I thought qualifying was about the performance at one particular tourney , not tournies of the past!!A tie is a tie correct? they received the same payout correct? the had the same over all score correct?? OK now it makes sense NOT!!!!!! :p IMO a 959 rated player tying a 1000+ rated player and beating several more is quite impressive none-the-less, it's a **** shame he got the short end of the stick on the usdgc invite!!It is definately the first time I have ever heard of a tie being broken based on ratings!! Nice job of taking care of the top pros!!

OOOOHHHHHH

Go and rip on Harold if you don't like it. He feels past performance counts as do those in charge of most sports. Only so many can participate at the USDGC and breaking ties allows more people to potentially qualify who earn the privilege outright. If there are lots of ties in early events, the USDGC could fill before the later qualifying events come up in the schedule. Should the winner of a later NT in July not get in because someone who tied back in March took their spot?

Go and rip on Harold if you don't like it. He feels past performance counts as do those in charge of most sports. Only so many can participate at the USDGC and breaking ties allows more people to potentially qualify who earn the privilege outright. If there are lots of ties in early events, the USDGC could fill before the later qualifying events come up in the schedule. Should the winner of a later NT in July not get in because someone who tied back in March took their spot?



IMO it's a no brainer!! HAVE A FREAKIN PLAYOFF OR SOMETHING!! IT ONLY MAKES SENSE!!YOUR POST MAKES LITTLE SENSE BY THE WAY!!HOW COULD BREAKING TIES ADD MORE SPOTS?? :p Doesn't a tie breaker do just that , break a tie!!

Breaking ties for last place reserves places for those who finish in qualifying positions in later events, not more total places. Harold makes the calculation at the beginning of the season and specifies exactly how many can come from each event. They can't do tiebreakers at events because TDs don't even know who is on the bubble and it may involve people from multiple divisions. That's partly why they chose this method. Complain to Harold, not here. Good luck.

First off ratings are pointless to begin with, they are only somewhat correct for the pros and useless for Amateurs.

Something as pointless as ratings should never be the determining factor in a situation like this, the outcome of the lower rated player getting snubbed is absurd....What a $%&*@# JOKE!!! :mad:

The current glorified ratings system has to go.

You never miss an opportunity to take a shot on here. I hope it isn't the case in person.

On another issue, there appears to be some confusion regarding two aspects of qualifying. First, only five folks can qualify at each event. If there is a tie for the last spot, the qualifying position goes to the player with the highest rating going into the event. Second, if the TD allows other divisions to be eligible, there are still only five spots available. For these tournaments, the spots would go to the five best scores in the eligible divisions who have not previously qualified. The qualifying document we've posted makes this second point unclear.

Take care,
Harold



Straight from the man's mouth whether you like it or not.


Section 1. United States Regional Qualifying Events
All current, dues-paid members of the Professional Disc Golf Association (PDGA) are eligible to compete in the 2006 United States Disc Golf Championship. PDGA membership is generally required to participate in qualifying events. Questions regarding membership should be directed to the PDGA office. A player may only qualify once at Regional Qualifying events.

The top five (5) overall scores in the Open Division will earn the right to compete. Any player finishing in the top five (5) who has qualified at an earlier event, or who has received an exemption or special invitation, will be excluded. Players shooting the next lowest score will become eligible. In case of a tie for the final position, the player the highest PDGA Player Rating will be awarded the final spot.



From the USDGC site/official qualifying requirements. Anyone entering a tournament with the sole intention of qualifying should read the requirements before hand.

All this garbage of bashing is just a mere afterthought. This has been posted for awhile. Like I said whether you agree with it or not, get over it.

You never miss an opportunity to take a shot on here. I hope it isn't the case in person.



I got lucky and stumbled upon this thread.

Most players like the rating system, I'm not one of them...I can't pass up an opportunity to bash the ratings system, I have never liked the way it works.

It would be fantastic to get a rock solid handicap system for disc golf. Why can't our level of ability to play golf be determined by how we play against the golf course and not the players?

I still think that lower rated dude got the shaft at Melbourne.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter what you think. The qualifying rules were stated before the season ever began. It's in writing plain and simple on the USDGC site.

Really, I thought if I rambled long enough they might change the qualifying rules.

It would be fantastic to get a rock solid handicap system for disc golf.



See www.discgolfunited.com (http://www.discgolfunited.com)


Why can't our level of ability to play golf be determined by how we play against the golf course and not the players?



It is, more than ball golf's fixed and unvalidated course ratings. You think you're playing the players but you're really playing the best estimate of the course's difficulty (SSA) for those conditions that round. Ball golf only wished they could have what we have. They can't because they've tried and their self reported handicap system has too much bogus reporting that the calculations make no sense.

Bravo, bravo, bravissimo to Chuck and the others who've developed the disc golf ratings system. What a wonderful tool!

The only argument that is possibly valid for the lower rated player getting the spot is that the higher rated player would have a easier chance of qualifying at another tourny down the road.

Really, I thought if I rambled long enough they might change the qualifying rules.



Nah ain't gonna happen. However the more you ramble there is a better chance you'll receive more emails offering to help boost your stamina.

It is, more than ball golf's fixed and unvalidated course ratings. You think you're playing the players but you're really playing the best estimate of the course's difficulty (SSA) for those conditions that round. Ball golf only wished they could have what we have. They can't because they've tried and their self reported handicap system has too much bogus reporting that the calculations make no sense.



Chuck in all seriousness good work on the ratings, atleast we have something to compare our skills against others.

I'm so ready to leave work.

Strangely enough, those who throw the most stones at the ratings system are easier to turn around by talking with them face-to-face and going thru the issues, than people who don't care either way. Ratings antagonists have looked under the hood just enough to not like something and sometimes we can't do a good enough job explaining it in a forum like this. See you in Tulsa.

Right on Chuck, see you then.

On another issue, there appears to be some confusion regarding two aspects of qualifying. First, only five folks can qualify at each event. If there is a tie for the last spot, the qualifying position goes to the player with the highest rating going into the event. Second, if the TD allows other divisions to be eligible, there are still only five spots available. For these tournaments, the spots would go to the five best scores in the eligible divisions who have not previously qualified. The qualifying document we've posted makes this second point unclear.

Take care,
Harold



Straight from the man's mouth whether you like it or not.


Section 1. United States Regional Qualifying Events
All current, dues-paid members of the Professional Disc Golf Association (PDGA) are eligible to compete in the 2006 United States Disc Golf Championship. PDGA membership is generally required to participate in qualifying events. Questions regarding membership should be directed to the PDGA office. A player may only qualify once at Regional Qualifying events.

The top five (5) overall scores in the Open Division will earn the right to compete. Any player finishing in the top five (5) who has qualified at an earlier event, or who has received an exemption or special invitation, will be excluded. Players shooting the next lowest score will become eligible. In case of a tie for the final position, the player the highest PDGA Player Rating will be awarded the final spot.



From the USDGC site/official qualifying requirements. Anyone entering a tournament with the sole intention of qualifying should read the requirements before hand.

All this garbage of bashing is just a mere afterthought. This has been posted for awhile. Like I said whether you agree with it or not, get over it.



what a shame!! I just lost a little respect for the best tourney in our sport!! I have supported this tourney for the past 3 years probably close to $1500 dollars worth of support!!This kind of LAME undertaking just kind of leaves a negative impression .. I am just stating my opinion on this matter for which I am sure there are many who feel the same way.

There would have been no arguement if I coulda done something different in those last four holes of the tourney, 2 bogies and 2 missed birdie putts....bummer

Look to the right of this page (http://www.usdgc.com/qualify.htm)


I think I got what it takes and I'll rip at again in Houston. See ya'll there. ;)

appears to say top 5 places PLUS TIES dont see anything on that page about ratings.


Jeff got ROBBED!!!

appears to say top 5 places PLUS TIES dont see anything on that page about ratings.


Jeff got ROBBED!!!



It certainly appears that way!! :p

This is what this thread should be about (http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingReg.jsp?Uc=kxs7qvu.17snyfpm&Uy=-7iut6i&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=59930967562_22321141210)


Just click on the photos

hey guys, just for the record those usdgc qualifying rules are not put in place by our TD or club. the usdgc handles all of their own stuff, they just use the scores from our tourny to qualify people for theirs.