It's time again to fire up the hype machine for the 2006 Beaver State Fling NT/A-Tier Event May 19th, 20th and 21st, 2006. Last's year's Beaver State Fling was so much fun and so gosh darn successful that the team decided to give it another go for all of those fools who didn't make it to Oregon in 2005.

This year, the Pros will be playing three tee time rounds, one per day, on the fabulous River Bend East and West Courses at Milo McIver State Park in Estacada, Oregon. The A-tier for the Ams will be held on the same courses on May 20th and 21st. (Good news for you Ams, you get Friday off.)

For information pertinent to this year's "don't miss" NT event, please to be clicking here: 2006 Beaver State Fling. (http://beaverstatefling.com/) On the tournament home page, you'll find oh-so-convenient online registration, links to course maps, directions, lodging, sponsorship info, merchandise, and a current registration list. Event flyers are available here. (http://beaverstatefling.com/PDF/SignUpSheet21.pdf) Oh yeah, you can also find a link to the USDGC Qualifiers page (http://www.usdgc.com/qualify.htm) where you'll see the Beaver State Fling listed. That's right. It's a USDGC Qualifier *again* this year. (If only they gave the USDGC berth to the handsomest player on the field. Then I might have a shot.)

Remember that one tournament that you and your buddies went to? The one that was run uber professionally, with the great payouts on the awesome courses? Remember? The Beaver State Fling is a lot like that. :D

Make the trip this year, and join some of the best touring players in the nation at one of the nation's gems, River Bend Disc Golf Course at Milo McIver State Park. It's sure to be a blast and a half. As an added bonus, we may get to play together this year, as I won't be TD'ing this time.

I hope to see you all in May at the 2006 Beaver State Fling NT/A-Tier event.

"Little" Erik Wilson

Ps. Rhett. Seriously. Attend this event.

May can't get here soon enough. :)

Actually Erik was slightly confused on the format of play:

Pro's will play 4 rounds, 2 on the West side and 2 on the East side of the course. They start play on Friday and have 2 rounds of shotgun start. The Pro's will have the courses to themselves on Friday as the Am's won't start play until Saturday. The Pro's will play their third round (tee times) Saturday afternoon between the Am's first and second rounds and then the final round will be Sunday afternoon(tee times).

The Am's will play 3 rounds (tee times). 2 Rounds on Saturday(Morning and late afternooon) and one round Sunday morning. The format for tee times will be slightly different from the Memorial, we will be using holes 1 and 10 to start on each course.

This is the current schedule and the TD reserves the rights to make any changes that will improve the speed of play and flow of the tournament.

I hope I have the opportunity of seeing a few of the Arizonian's who showed me around the courses for the Memorial! I don't think you can anticipate having the opportunity to throw the huge rollers like you can at Vista but the courses at River Bend/Milo McIver State Park will test everything you got and then some.

Our Webmaster Cris Bellinger is working on the West and East maps for the course to show a picture from the Tee pads to give all travelers an idea of what you can expect. Go to the webpage hover over the courses menu then Milo and select the west map, currently holes 1-7 are complete and he will have the rest of the West side map done in the next week or so and then he promises to get the East side done. To view the photos just place your cursor over the tee pads.

Hope to see you all there,
MIke Phillips

Erik, the website doesn't work so well in Firefox. The pullout menus vanish when you go to click on them. Just thought you'd like to know.

hope they bring back naked juice as a sponsor

Erik, the website doesn't work so well in Firefox. The pullout menus vanish when you go to click on them. Just thought you'd like to know.



Matt:

I also use the helpful lil fox as my browser and I had the same concerns. I'll bring it up with the Web-Masta, and we'll hope that he can take steps to make it more user friendly for us in the non-IE minority.

Are you thinking of coming out? It'd be great to see you (and have you take some of those awesome photos!) :D

Erik

Actually Erik was slightly confused on the format of play:

Pro's will play 4 rounds, 2 on the West side and 2 on the East side of the course. They start play on Friday and have 2 rounds of shotgun start. The Pro's will have the courses to themselves on Friday as the Am's won't start play until Saturday. The Pro's will play their third round (tee times) Saturday afternoon between the Am's first and second rounds and then the final round will be Sunday afternoon(tee times).

The Am's will play 3 rounds (tee times). 2 Rounds on Saturday(Morning and late afternooon) and one round Sunday morning. The format for tee times will be slightly different from the Memorial, we will be using holes 1 and 10 to start on each course.

This is the current schedule and the TD reserves the rights to make any changes that will improve the speed of play and flow of the tournament.

I hope I have the opportunity of seeing a few of the Arizonian's who showed me around the courses for the Memorial! I don't think you can anticipate having the opportunity to throw the huge rollers like you can at Vista but the courses at River Bend/Milo McIver State Park will test everything you got and then some.

Our Webmaster Cris Bellinger is working on the West and East maps for the course to show a picture from the Tee pads to give all travelers an idea of what you can expect. Go to the webpage hover over the courses menu then Milo and select the west map, currently holes 1-7 are complete and he will have the rest of the West side map done in the next week or so and then he promises to get the East side done. To view the photos just place your cursor over the tee pads.

Hope to see you all there,
MIke Phillips



Erik being confused is nothing new. Mike is correct on the format. Four rounds for Open players as opposed to three. Mea culpa!

Matt, let me know if you are serious about going. I'm already making arrangements.

Craig:

Matt told me to tell you that he is serious. See you both in May.:D

Erik

Thanks Erik, I'll be sure to let Matt know we will be supported in our western venture!

Erik, the website doesn't work so well in Firefox. The pullout menus vanish when you go to click on them. Just thought you'd like to know.



xterramaTT, you might want to update your version of FireFox, including micromedia flash and shockwave, the webmaster notified me he is using FireFox on his Laptop and is not having the problems you described.

Mike

I've been to the Beaver State Fling for the past two years and each year it has only gotten better and better. Even though the course at Dabney was fun, I am glad all of our rounds this year will be played at Riverbend (Milo McIver). I can't wait!

Don't miss this one folks.

I've been to the Beaver State Fling for the past two years and each year it has only gotten better and better. Even though the course at Dabney was fun, I am glad all of our rounds this year will be played at Riverbend (Milo McIver). I can't wait!

Don't miss this one folks.


Okay, you sold me. I'll be there. I haven't decided yet, but I'll probably put in my dead money for the pros.

The schedule and pool assignment has been posted on the tournament website, we also have the art posted for the INNColor disc and Mini's if any one is interested.

www.beaverstatefling.com (http://www.beaverstatefling.com)

The schedule and pool assignment has been posted on the tournament website, we also have the art posted for the INNColor disc and Mini's if any one is interested.

www.beaverstatefling.com (http://www.beaverstatefling.com)





Sweet Disc! Gabe did a great job. I'm counting the days til the Fling!

Cris Bellinger finished up the course maps on the website. You should now be able to hover over the tee pads to see the shot from the tee pad.

If you see him during the tournament thank him for all of his hard work, he doesn't get enough attention. :)

I hope this gives out of state travelers an idea of what the course is like and what to expect. Both courses play about 8400 feet and currently are ruled by Barry Shultz. Can someone shake him from the 1st place finish this year?

Thanks for the course maps and pictures. Unfortunately there is still a problem with the menu on the website in mozilla (at least for me). Here are the direct links to the map pages for those that are having the same problems.

West Course (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/18HoleMapWest.htm)
East Course (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/18HoleMapEast.htm)

Tell Chris thanks for me... Those courses look tough!! :D

Hey Stan_3,

Thanks for coughing up the direct link for everyone having difficulty with Mozilla.

We heard folks were having trouble with Mozilla so Cris and I downloaded Mozilla and installed it and had no trouble with the webpage, maybe there is some goofy plugin that needs to be installed I don't know but others have told me to make sure the Micromedia flash is updated as well as all current Mozilla files.

Again thanks for posting the direct link.

jdavidson,

Won't you be here in May to tell him, or do you want me to extend a pre-thank you?

Hope you are going to make it, we like to see disc golf diversity at this event, a chance for our local players who can't travel to meet great folks from other states/countries who love the same game!

May is only a few rain showers away!!

May can't get here soon enough. :)



Wow, JD, you're playing in this? That almost makes me want to go. You'll love it up there. I've been a few times to see an old friend of mine who lives in Tigard (suburb of Portland). I love McIver Park. It's beautiful out there. I played a tournament there back in June '01. Tore it up one day and stunk it up the next. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Too bad you're not a beer drinker. Oregon has awesome micro-brew and great pubs to drink them in.

By the way, you might find some local discussion at www.odsa.com (http://www.odsa.com)
I see registration is up on www.titleDISC.com (http://www.titleDISC.com)

Colonel,

I already found that website, thanks for posting it though... And I DO enjoy a fine micro brew in moderation, you just usually won't find me enjoying one during a round. I'm a big fan of brown ale's if you know of any local varieties I should try. I made it up to Portland myself in the Summer of 2004. I didn't get to play McIver though. I hit Dabney, Pier, and Rooster. The cuz (Robbie) is going to make the trip with me. I think you should just pull the trigger and make the trip up. :eek:

Michael,

I'll thank Cris myself as well, I was just asking for a pre-thank you. :D And yes, I will definitely be there. Plane tickets, entry fee, rental car, and hotel have all been purchased/reserved.

Man, Jim, it's very tempting. I always have a place to stay, but that air fare is a killer. I would love to play McIver again. I was up there twice last year and didn't play golf at all. I'll tell you the best brew to try. Find Salvadore Molly's. Ask for the house IPA. It's wonderful!

Man, Jim, it's very tempting. I always have a place to stay, but that air fare is a killer. I would love to play McIver again. I was up there twice last year and didn't play golf at all. I'll tell you the best brew to try. Find Salvadore Molly's. Ask for the house IPA. It's wonderful!



This man speaks the truth about Salvadore Molly's. That place is awesome. How can you not like a place that advertises their food as "Pirate Cookin'"? :D

Arrrrrrr.

While Salvadore Molly's is the bomb and the Beaver State Fling will be the bomb. My question is you've made it all the way to the great Northwest... Why would you want to leave? The Lilac City Open is going to be a huge "B" tier the following weekend in Spokane Washington. It's only 6 hours away, 3 rounds of challenging and scenic bombing golf. The fund raising started in December and the SDGA is going all out!! More to come soon!

That's where I'm headed the weekend after the BSF... :D

Your right, it works great in Mozilla on Windows. I'm in Linux and the menus close before I can get to them. It might be that I have an older version of Mozilla, but the site looks and works great in every other case. Thanks for all the info and see you up there in May!

It's raining here in Santa Cruz right now, so I'm going to get out there and practice just in case *grin*.

Rain in Santa Cruz huh, sorry about that.

My girlfriend and I took a Spring Break down to San Diego to play some golf with local friends and we brough the rain with us, then heading back north we brought it to our good friends in LA, Sacremento and Weed. Seems we must of left a few pockets of it around Santa Cruz.

Not to worry Milo is no harder in the rain then it is in the Sunshine!

I was only trying to get all the California golfers ready for the Beaver State Fling so sounds like mission accomplished.

FullCircleColonel,

What have you been finding for airfare out of Houston?

I noticed some prices around $230-300 on MyYahoo.com fare notifier for Frontier Airlines and America West

Although that still seems a little high!

That's where I'm headed the weekend after the BSF... :D



Me too Erik, want to carpool???

That's where I'm headed the weekend after the BSF... :D



Me too Erik, want to carpool???



I think Tom Embree is going to drive the van to Spokane and pick Cris and I up in Kennewick on the way. I'm dropping my dog at my dad's there on Thursday.

Back on topic...The Beaver State Fling is going to be great.

Some notable folks that are currently registered:
MPO:
Barry Shultz, David Feldberg, Shawn Sinclair, some handsome fellah named Erik Wilson.

FPO:
Juliana Kover, Lesli Demark, Carrie Berlogar, Valarie Jenkins.

The rumor is that Ken Climo may make the trip. It'll be neat to have JK here, I believe this is her first Beaver State Fling. Fun, fun, fun!

Registration information and a list of registered players for all divisions can be found here. (http://www.beaverstatefling.com)

I went to look at the plaayers list and it wouldn't let me select any of the lists.. maybe it doesn't work with Firefox..

I'm running firefox version 1.5.01 and it worked like a charm. Perhaps an update to your firefox would be good for what ailes ye?

Anyone driving to the Fling from the Midwest should think about playing the Zoo Town Open at Blue Mountain DGC in Missoula, MT on Sat. May 13. We are right on I-90 and just 9 hours from Portland. This is the fourth tourney in the Inland NW Series, a series of tourneys in eastern Washington, northern Idaho, and western Montana. We are expecting atleast 70 players, so payout should be good and Blue Mountain is a great course with lots of elevation changes, big open shots, and tightly wooded fairways.
Really looking forward to the Fling. :cool::)
Yoduh, all the usual suspects from Montana will make the Lilac City Open, too.

Fo Sho Dawg! I'm bummed about having to miss your weekend this year.. You doin both Blue and Pattee again this year? There should be more than 70, I'd say that is pretty conservative after what you threw last year without college even being in session.. Dang I wish I could go.. Ducks on the pond, those college Folfers.. So much fun too, will Markus be back? Maybe I'll see you at Farragut. Peace The Sassy Fling organizers ROCK THE HOUSE!!

I just thought I would drop a few names too. Other great golfers will be there like, Teresa Bellinger, Mike Ruzicka, Scott Riley and Mr. Tom Embree! Sorry, just had to give my people some props.

I love the Fling and can't wait to be there!! Thanks for running another awesome show Teresa and Cris!

I just thought I would drop a few names too. Other great golfers will be there like, Teresa Bellinger, Mike Ruzicka, Scott Riley and Mr. Tom Embree! Sorry, just had to give my people some props.

I love the Fling and can't wait to be there!! Thanks for running another awesome show Teresa and Cris!



And dont forget Kathy Manley...always a threat :D

I just thought I would drop a few names too. Other great golfers will be there like, Teresa Bellinger, Mike Ruzicka, Scott Riley and Mr. Tom Embree! Sorry, just had to give my people some props.



Omigosh Mike! You are famous!

I just thought I would drop a few names too. Other great golfers will be there like, Teresa Bellinger, Mike Ruzicka, Scott Riley and Mr. Tom Embree! Sorry, just had to give my people some props.



Omigosh Mike! You are famous!



I have my days.... ;)

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Bring some to Grants Pass..... :D

Hey Jay, meant to grab one from you at Steilly.. If you can put one aside or if there are plenty left, I'll be seeing you shortly. Thanks

The minis will hit the road for a mini tour to the following disc golf events...

4/22 Tom Pearce Open, Grants Pass, OR
4/29 Masters Cup Am, Santa Cruz, CA
5/06 Big Sur Royale, Big Sur, CA
5/13 Masters Cup Pro, Santa Cruz, CA
5/20 Beaver State Fling, Portand, OR

See ya on a future fairway friends...

I will catch you at the masters cup pro then bro... Happy travels!

Bump........Come 1 come all.:D
These 2 course's will make you use every shot in your bag. :cool:

The Beaver State Fling has been made a United States Amature Championship Qualifier Event. The top 20% of MA1 players (including ties, rounded up) will get invitations. This of course does not count those lucky souls who already received invitations.

This is one more great reason to come to the Beaver State Fling this year. Another great reason is that you and I could meet each other, and I know I've been looking forward to that.

Allright! I just recieved my confirmation email. I'm excited about experiencing some Oregon golf and playing in my first out of state tournament. May is such a great month for west coast disc golf.

The Amatuer portion of the Tournament is filling up fast so I thought I would post the numbers left to help people on the fence.

Pool C: Advanced Men and Women
only 7 spots left
<font color="red"> This pool grew the fastest so we split the pool and moved all other divisions to Pool D</font>

Pool D: Advanced Masters/Grand/Senior and all Intermediate/Juniors
12 spots left

Pro's are kind of wide open still but with just under a month to go anything is possible!

The Amatuer portion of the Tournament is filling up fast so I thought I would post the numbers left to help people on the fence.

Pool C: Advanced Men and Women
only 7 spots left
<font color="red"> This pool grew the fastest so we split the pool and moved all other divisions to Pool D</font>

Pool D: Advanced Masters/Grand/Senior and all Intermediate/Juniors
12 spots left

Pro's are kind of wide open still but with just under a month to go anything is possible!



X that, Pool C is now full and there are only 3 spots left in D pool

Was it mentioned that the Beaver State Fling is also a qualifier for the European Open? Let's see, that means the fling will qualify people for these:

USDGC
US Amature Disc Golf Championships
The European Open
Hugs from Erik.

That's really four major reasons to come out. Can you imagine? Hugs from Erik?!

will you be wearing your pink HUK hat?? :p :cool:

Any of you coming from out of the area should try to make it out to Dabney State park since your day use passes our good for any of the park's.
To see the course that was to hard to keep in the BSF....... :eek: ;) :D:cool:

It is 1 of the Fav's. among the local's :cool:

will you be wearing your pink HUK hat?? :p :cool:

Any of you coming from out of the area should try to make it out to Dabney State park since your day use passes our good for any of the park's.
To see the course that was to hard to keep in the BSF....... :eek: ;) :D:cool:

It is 1 of the Fav's. among the local's :cool:



For that matter you could also go to Rooster Rock State Park in the Gorge to warm up you frustration on the back 9 and then cruise out to Multnomah Falls 10 minutes further into the gorge to see the largest waterfall in Oregon. If you come back on the old Highway you will see 11 waterfalls from the amazing snow and rain we have had this year. Just mapquest it you find it!! Oh yeah Crown point is a sweet view as well!

will you be wearing your pink HUK hat?? :p :cool:

Any of you coming from out of the area should try to make it out to Dabney State park since your day use passes our good for any of the park's.
To see the course that was to hard to keep in the BSF....... :eek: ;) :D:cool:

It is 1 of the Fav's. among the local's :cool:



Dabney's not too hard, it's too flukie! I mean... ok whatever, it's too hard. Thanks for taking Dabney out of the BSF!

For that matter you could also go to Rooster Rock State Park in the Gorge to warm up you frustration on the back 9 and then cruise out to Multnomah Falls 10 minutes further into the gorge to see the largest waterfall in Oregon. If you come back on the old Highway you will see 11 waterfalls from the amazing snow and rain we have had this year. Just mapquest it you find it!! Oh yeah Crown point is a sweet view as well!



I'm planning on doing exactly that!!! Only, I'm hoping to fit Dabney in as well. :)

For that matter you could also go to Rooster Rock State Park in the Gorge to warm up you frustration on the back 9 and then cruise out to Multnomah Falls 10 minutes further into the gorge to see the largest waterfall in Oregon. If you come back on the old Highway you will see 11 waterfalls from the amazing snow and rain we have had this year. Just mapquest it you find it!! Oh yeah Crown point is a sweet view as well!



I'm planning on doing exactly that!!! Only, I'm hoping to fit Dabney in as well. :)



Great, you won't be disappointed. There's more to Disc golf traveling than playing disc golf, and with the distance you are going you won't want to miss checking out the sights in the Columbia Gorge.

When are you coming in?

Don't forget the State Park fees are $3 a day so bring plenty of ones! The Gorge is free!

Here is one of those waterfalls you can check out, nothing compared to Multnomah falls but still cool to see.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/flash_25296/Stuff/Waterfall1.jpg

Jim:

You've got a PM.

The following is from Pre-Funk Doubles TD, Greg Ruhl:


There will be a pro/am doubles event on THURSDAY, NOT Friday. Sign-ups will begin at 5:00 and close at 5:45. Tee off ~6:00p.m. on the West course. Payout will be the top 3 groups (thus it will be JUICY). You do NOT have to be registered for the Fling to play doubles. $10 entry fee.

I will be ranking the players (by player rating) and dividing the player pool in half to determine "pro" and "am". In other words, we'll be doing things the exact same way that Erik Wilson did last year...

We may also hold a very casual doubles round Friday evening (after the pros are done) and night glow (with the "Flash Flashers")...



This will be a great way for out of towners to come and check out the West Course, and meet some of the local Oregonian crushers. If you are interested in playing Doubles, but cannot play the Fling, come out, you are welcome to join in the Doubles Mayhem.

What about ams playing in the MPO division? How do they qualify the for US Amateur Championships? Also, if ams can't qualify when playing open, can they get an extra hug from Erik?

What about ams playing in the MPO division? How do they qualify the for US Amateur Championships? Also, if ams can't qualify when playing open, can they get an extra hug from Erik?



Hugs from Erik are like many of the best things in life:

They are free.

Did you say free??? YAAAAAY!!!!!

I just checked the list of registered players. I...

1. Have the highest PDGA number (in pro divisions)
2. Am the only player in MPO without a rating

That should be worth two free hugs!

I just checked the list of registered players. I...

1. Have the highest PDGA number (in pro divisions)
2. Am the only player in MPO without a rating

That should be worth two free hugs!



You get one to start with. When I beat you, I'll give you another.

Multnomah falls today 5/6/2006...Lots of water coming over and lots of people viewing. I made a quick stop on the way back from Eagle Creek to grab a photo.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/flash_25296/Stuff/Multnomah.jpg

June 17 � 18, 2006
Idaho Masters
Boise, Idaho PDGA B-Tier

Welcome to the 1st Annual Idaho Masters! We are honored to be hosting and directing the first event of the 2006 IDAHO GRAND SLAM SERIES. This is going to be a great tournament with lots of added cash and prizes. Plus, the winners of the Pro and Advanced divisions will receive the coveted GREEN Disc Golf Rain jacket with the Idaho Masters Logo embroidery. They are SWEET! Player limit is 90 and there will be a Random Draw doubles round Friday night at 5:30pm at Ann Morrison. We will be pre-registering from 4:30 � 5:30pm prior to the doubles round as well. Please pre-register as soon as possible! Contact Justin Archambo at 208-424-2306 or J.B. Evans at 208-340-5255 if you have any questions.

Ann Morrison, Saturday, June 17th Ann Morrison, Sunday, June 18th
8:30a.m. � registration & sign-in 9:15 a.m. � Player�s meeting
9:30 a.m.� players meeting 9:30 a.m. � 3rd and final round (27 holes)
10:00 a.m.� 1st round (18 holes) 1:00/2:00 � Break/Lunch
1:30/2:30 � lunch 2:00pm � Final 9 Pro and Advanced
2:45 � 2nd round (18 holes) 3:30 � Awards ceremony, Papa Joes


Register online at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) Player Packs for all AMS, est val $15 - $20
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DISC GOLF ENTRY FORM Mail to: Justin Archambo, 3110 Gavin St, Boise, ID 83703
4 players are needed to form a division $3 goes to Idaho Grand Slam cell: 208-890-3686

___ Open - $50 ___ Adv. Amateur - $40 ___ Amateur - $30
___ Masters - $50 ___ Women - $20 ___ Junior - $20

_________ PDGA Number ___ I need a 30-day, PDGA Developmental Membership (add $5)

Name ________________________________ Address _______________________________________

City _______________________ State ______ Zip ___________ Phone # ( ) ________________

Archy, welcome aboard the Beaver State Fling Freight Train.

Post derailment is not allowed without some positive comments on the Subject at Hand!

That should be worth two free hugs!



You get one to start with. When I beat you, I'll give you another.


Well, that's practically a given! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That should be worth two free hugs!



You get one to start with. When I beat you, I'll give you another.


Well, that's practically a given! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



(Note to self: Give Ken two free hugs.)

Archy, welcome aboard the Beaver State Fling Freight Train.

Post derailment is not allowed without some positive comments on the Subject at Hand!



Kinda strange to put that here??? :confused:

They should have started a thread for themselves you would think. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

So the bark chips are getting spread out.The fairway's are getting cut.
The course's are really starting to look Top Shelf :D

It is going to be a BLAST :cool::)

Kinda strange to put that here??? :confused:

They should have started a thread for themselves you would think. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

So the bark chips are getting spread out.The fairway's are getting cut.
The course's are really starting to look Top Shelf :D

It is going to be a BLAST :cool::)



Yeah we have a final work party this Saturday at 10:00am meeting at the McIver maintenance shop/office.

Come one come all, Aaron Kirschling says helping will shave at least 2 strokes off your score

If you haven't seen the course maps posted online yet, do yourself a favor and check them out. You can view the maps, pars, and rough footages here. (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/) Just click on "Courses" and view the Milo McIver East and West maps for an idea of what we'll be playing.

Should be a kick in the pants. :D

I can't wait! I have been dreaming about my upcoming hug for weeks now!

Should be a kick in the pants. :D


Yes, I tried playing it last week and it definitely kicked me in the pants.

I'm glad to hear some of the holes will be par 4 or 5... I was thinking about giving up disc golf forever. :p

Should be a kick in the pants. :D


Yes, I tried playing it last week and it definitely kicked me in the pants.

I'm glad to hear some of the holes will be par 4 or 5... I was thinking about giving up disc golf forever. :p



I know the maps have 4's-5's on them. I belive 4 the Fling they will be all par 3's?? as in prev. years. :eek:

Should be a kick in the pants. :D


Yes, I tried playing it last week and it definitely kicked me in the pants.

I'm glad to hear some of the holes will be par 4 or 5... I was thinking about giving up disc golf forever. :p



I know the maps have 4's-5's on them. I belive 4 the Fling they will be all par 3's?? as in prev. years. :eek:



You would be wrong! This year we are implementing what the demonstrated pars were on the course for the last two years by the top rated players.

Not that it matters, the score you get will be compared against everyone else in the division to determine your winner. The only exception is in the case of a late showing which would be par plus 4 strokes for the offender, two of the starting holes, 1 West and 11 East would now result in a snowman for a score.

You would be wrong! This year we are implementing what the demonstrated pars were on the course for the last two years by the top rated players.


Thank you! Great decision! Makes the tournament just that much more of a "premiere" event!

You would be wrong! This year we are implementing what the demonstrated pars were on the course for the last two years by the top rated players.


Thank you! Great decision! Makes the tournament just that much more of a "premiere" event!



Dam Ryan you managed to quote me while I was editing my post! PM me with the details of your arrival when you get a chance.

Should be a kick in the pants. :D


Yes, I tried playing it last week and it definitely kicked me in the pants.

I'm glad to hear some of the holes will be par 4 or 5... I was thinking about giving up disc golf forever. :p



I know the maps have 4's-5's on them. I belive 4 the Fling they will be all par 3's?? as in prev. years. :eek:



You would be wrong! This year we are implementing what the demonstrated pars were on the course for the last two years by the top rated players.

Not that it matters, the score you get will be compared against everyone else in the division to determine your winner. The only exception is in the case of a late showing which would be par plus 4 strokes for the offender, two of the starting holes, 1 West and 11 East would now result in a snowman for a score.



Very Nice not :( to hear that. :cool:

Should be a kick in the pants. :D


Yes, I tried playing it last week and it definitely kicked me in the pants.

I'm glad to hear some of the holes will be par 4 or 5... I was thinking about giving up disc golf forever. :p



I know the maps have 4's-5's on them. I belive 4 the Fling they will be all par 3's?? as in prev. years. :eek:



You would be wrong! This year we are implementing what the demonstrated pars were on the course for the last two years by the top rated players.

Not that it matters, the score you get will be compared against everyone else in the division to determine your winner. The only exception is in the case of a late showing which would be par plus 4 strokes for the offender, two of the starting holes, 1 West and 11 East would now result in a snowman for a score.



Very Nice not :( to hear that. :cool:



It took a few tournaments with 1000+ rated players to arrive at par settings for the course. I think it's pretty good. You can view the courses and their pars at the online home of the BSF. (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/)

You can also see the cool course maps and get an idea of footages, hole-by-hole. The internet is awesome. :D

I don't think I have ever been more excited about an upcoming tournament than this year's BSF!

WOOTAHx2

www.weather.com (http://www.weather.com) for estacada, oregon is predicting a very sunny forecast for next week and even for next weekend! Lets hope they are not falling into their usually unreliable predictions

The courses are in fantastic shape, thanks to the corps of volunteers from the Portland area. The brush is trimmed back, the fairways are in the process of being mowed, and the holes have temp tee signs for travelling players that come out early.

Each course is listed at par 60. It will be intersting to see what the scores are like with these adjusted pars. I'm thinking the super hot rounds in MPO will be something like 51 or 52.

Judging from the way Ken Climo crushed the field at the Masters, he'll probably shoot a 47. That guy? He's good.

If you're coming to town early to play the courses, there are temp signs marking the holes, "next hole this way" signs, maps and scorecards on both courses.

Both courses have multiple restrooms and water, so there's no excuse to get dehydrated in the awesome sunshine we've been having.

We're excited to be the next stop on the PDGA National Tour, and we're excited that so many people are coming to experience a gem of West coast disc golf!

See you next weekend!

Erik Wilson

A large group of volunteers worked to prep the courses this weekend, and everything is ready to go! All 36 baskets are in place. Tee signs (temporary - permanent tee signs with sponsor info will be put in later this week) are in place, and maps with the tournament layout have been placed in boxes at both of the main parking lots.

Because a lot of the casual players take the tournament maps (and yeah, they're getting a little confused, especially if they're used to the normal 27-hole layout!), we recommend you print out your own and bring it with you. Here's the link to a PDF version of the tournament maps:

Beaver State Fling Tournament Course Maps (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/PDF/BnWmap36.pdf)

Everyone is working very hard to make sure the final stop of the "West Coast Swing" is a spectacular event. For those of you on the road and headed this way, we can't wait for you to get here! The weather is supposed to be great this week (94 degrees tomorrow!), and we're ready!

Theo Pozzy
Beaver State Fling Team
PDGA Commissioner

Need proof Milo is a tough place to play,

I punctured my lip there Saturday picking up some beer cans up on top of the hill where holes 9 and 27 share a view. I got three stiches and left some blood behind for the sacrifice, looks like I should be good for awhile. Dam shorty branch got me on the nose and then shot down to collect the lip as well. Sad thing is I was playing a round in the morning collecting trash on the course in hopes to join the work party later, but after getting hit with the sucker punch I felt like not working, sorry Rocs.

Course looks good though, alot of work took place on Saturday and sounds like more on Sunday. The rollers will be loving the early mowing this week for sure.

I hope you like your golf on a green course with sunny weather!!

I don't think I have ever been more excited about an upcoming tournament than this year's BSF!

WOOTAHx2



Yeah and so are people about the INNColor discs, this is the Star Wraith but it also comes in Glow Orc as well
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Check out the website to order www.beaverstatefling.com (http://www.beaverstatefling.com)

Where is that frogs back leg? It is a good looking disc. I really like the glow foil stamps. I hope there will still be some available!

It's grabbing the chain (under the front left foot).

Pro / Am Doubles event!
We will be holding a casual single round pro/am doubles event Thursday evening before the Fling. Sign-ups will begin ~ 4:30 and close PROMPTLY at 5:30 (you will not get a spot at 5:31). Tee off will be immediately afterward on the West course. Payout will only be over the top 3 groups... in past years the winning team has taken home over $300. You do NOT have to be registered for the Fling to play this doubles event. The entry fee is $10. Hope to see you on the 18th!

Is this a bring your partner or random draw? Thanks!

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Im very sad, as I must withdraw due to an injury sustained at the Golden State Classic..........SUX to be me.......

Is this a bring your partner or random draw? Thanks!



I believe the format is AB Pools, whereby players are divided into two pools (A and B, believe it or not :D) and then one player from the A pool is randomly paired with a player from the B pool. The pools are usually divided based on either ratings or division, or sometimes a good, long look in the eye. Greg_R could tell you how he plans to divide the pools. (I favor the look in the eye method, myself)

Greg_R is the TD of this prefunkalicious event, and he's the guy to ask about the specifics, but I am 99.4% sure this is how he's going to run it.

It's always fun, and the payouts are not at all FLAT. They are bumpy, or steep, or whatever the opposite of flat is. Top three places (teams) get paid. That's a recipe for a fat payout.

See you on Thursday!

Erik

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Im very sad, as I must withdraw due to an injury sustained at the Golden State Classic..........SUX to be me.......



Booooo! This is not good news. Heal soon, and I'll see you in Bend this summer.

stan_3, it's basically how Eric stated. When you sign in for doubles I'll get your player rating. Once everyone is signed in I'll divide the groups into 2 groups (higher rated and lower rated). I'll then pair up the teams (one higher, one lower per team) randomly. Signups will be at hole 6 on the west course. If we fill the course at $10 each, the payout will be:

1st = $360
2nd = $240
3rd = $120

I'm sure this will be covered at some point, but just in case:

Keep an eye out on the courses for Blue, Red, and White stakes off to the sides of the fairways. Mike Phillips (Flash on this thread) put in stakes that approximate the distance to the basket.
Blue= 300 ft.
Red= 200 ft.
White= 100 ft.

This should give players a rough idea of how far away from the hole they are. This should give players with a passing knowledge of algebra and geometry a small advantage over the rest of us mouth-breathers.

It's a nice touch, and I think it lends an air of professionalism to the courses. All the stakes are out of the way and out of the landing zones, but are painted brightly enough to be seen and used by players.

It's classy, is what I'm trying to say.

Erik

Yeah Thanks for the Help on that Erik.

I just want to extend a thank you to all players who signed up to play in the Beaver State Fling, without you the tournament would not happen.

For the travelling players please enjoy the Course and the Park in general, go down by the river and check out the surrounding area, its a GEM!

I would also like to extend a Welcome and Thanks for coming, I would like to meet all of you so just ask anyone who Flash is and we can be properly introduced. I will be on the course all day Thursday, Friday Saturday and Sunday. I will be working checkin and doing tee times after each round at T/C

The 2006 BSF is under way! Weather is a little cooler than earlier this week, with some possible sprinkles, but the sun is out right now.

First round scores will be coming in around noon Pacific, and we'll have them online soon after that. I'll be following the lead Open group with live scoring this afternoon!

-Theo Pozzy

Scores for the first round are up!
2006 Beaver State Fling Pro (NT) Scores (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5458&amp;year=2006&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open)

A real shocker of a group on the lead card (Climo, Schultz, Doss and Feldberg)!

Live scoring for that group will happen this afternoon.

-Theo

good fist round Bratten!! and Jim D is still in it. way to represent tx!!

yes keep it going TEXAS

sorry Mike, looked forward to playing a few rounds with ya.
The course is in amazing shape, but they left plenty of shule!!
I like the colored stakes marking 100,200 and 300 feet from the pins.All 3 USDGC champions in Oregon...sweet

just posted this on www.odsa.com (http://www.odsa.com) , a quick Saturday night Open update.

beautiful day at McIver, smooth running enjoyable event.

The amazing Barry Schultz, back-to-back BSF Open winner has a 2 stroke lead over Josh Anthon and Steve Rico, 3 strokes on David Feldberg, and 5 on avery jenkins &amp; world champions' Ken Climo &amp; Nate Doss

tomorrow will be very exciting to watch.

fact: The 2 years prior to Schultz coming onto the scene, the Troutdale Beaver Fling and the McIver Open were won by the owner of today's hot round, Aaron Kirschling, who shot a 54 on the East side to catapult him 3 cards into cash contention!

Juliana Korver has 2 rounds rated just shy of 1000 and needed them to maintain a tie with fellow world champion, Des Reading. Both at +2 going into the final round on Sunday.

oh yah, Brad Hammock is smokin the Masters yet once again...

sierra nevada, live music, flymart, poker and pool

Robby must be loving this long course.

Texas Representing. :D

Robby must be loving this long course.

Texas Representing. :D



Tear it up clutch. If you do I will never call you that again. :D

News stories are posted on the National Tour Website (http://www.pdgatour.com). Live scoring will begin shortly after the 12:10 tee time for the final group. We'll be following the top two cards, as there are only seven strokes difference between Barry Schultz, who is leading at -18, and local pro (and former Junior World Champion) Nate Sexton! Come and watch the final round!

-Theo Pozzy
PDGA Commissioner
BSF Team

Could someone describe hole 6? It is listed as a par five but four out of the top eight players made eagle three on it. :confused:

they're good :D

Feldberg ACES!?!?!?!?

Dave Feldberg canned a putt from the teepad on hole 11! These guys are good!

Feldberg aces hole 11!!!

Organizers for next year should also consider changes to hole 8 and hole 15 - all eight competitors took 'routine' scores of three. From a scoring variation standpoint, you'd like to see some deuces and/or bogeys in there.

Jeff L,

Hole 6 plays fairly easy,if you keep it in the fairway The Drive is fairly wide open and flat, the fairway is about 150' wide and lined by tall evergreens you want your drive to land on the right side of the fairway, I would think those guys threw rollers off the tee. The approach is blind and plays 20'-30' uphill then back down to the green.

Chris

Thanks, Chris. I would also assume that as a 'par five' the hole is some 850+ feet long.

Feldberg has gained 4 strokes on Rico over the last 6 holes! He's now in second! That ace helped!

I watched the live scoring !!!!!! Looks like a few ties !!!!!

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5458&year=2006&includeRatings=1#Open

It was a pretty amazing round to follow. Barry put on a clinic, with a super-hot -12 (48). Nobody could catch him. Dave's ace was on a tight, 340 foot blind dogleg, with danger all along the way (the opening to the basket is out around 300 feet.

So once again (third time, actually), Barry came in first, and Dave second. Stevie rallied to tie Dave, though. Great golf, great weather today!

-Theo

You can't look only at the hole scores of players whose rating averages 27 points higher than the Gold course design standard to determine whether the design parameters need to be adjusted. Looking at the average and spread of all scores for Open (and Master) down to the point where their collective rating averages 1000 is necessary. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the top eight players might all shoot birdie 3s on a well designed par 4 hole that doesn't need to be tweaked.

Houck, Gentry and I have been developing Super Gold design guidelines (unwritten) which we've used for designing Final 9s for Pro Worlds. The average player rating in the Final 9 is usually over 1025 which is a half step beyond Gold. That's why the Final 9s will probably continue to be a combination of regular holes and special temp holes so there's potential for scoring spread on each hole if some regular holes might not have enough. In fact, that's how we grade ourselves for the layout. Perfect "design score" on a hole is when each player gets a different score. A "double bogey design" is when the four all shoot the same score on a hole.

Agreed, but this was not the top eight players shooting birdie 3s on a well designed par 4 hole. It was the top eight players all shooting threes on two separate par 3 holes. No deuces and no bogeys = no scoring variation.

Additionally, it seems strange that a hole labeled as a "pro par five" would yield four scores of eagle three. I can't imagine some true pro par fives I'm used to (Nockamixon Hole 10, Moraine Holes 6 and 16, Paw Paw #3, Warwick Holes 15 and 18 Blue-Blue, etc.) yielding that number of 3s. No biggie, but it sounds like this hole was really just a tough pro par four.

It was the top eight players all shooting threes on two separate par 3 holes. No deuces and no bogeys = no scoring variation.



Although I've never done an analysis by 5-point rating ranges, it's possible that 12 players above 1010 all get 3s, 8 of 20 between 985 and 1009 get 3s and 12 below 985 get 4s. Unlikely, but still possible on good par 4 hole for Gold. You still can't just cherry pick the top 8 to determine whether scoring spread is good.

I agree that I would not want a par 5 to be eagled by the top 8 players but would still want to see the full results before adjusting. I think the par 5 hole 12 at Winthrop had quite a few 3s at the last USDGC but primarily among the top players.

Organizers for next year should also consider changes to hole 8 and hole 15 - all eight competitors took 'routine' scores of three. From a scoring variation standpoint, you'd like to see some deuces and/or bogeys in there.




Hole #8 is hitting a gap of about 50' wide at around 325-350' then about a 100-150' upshot to a island green that is anywhere from about 1' wide to its widest of about 35' and about 60' long.

Hole #15 is a totally blind up a 25' high ridge if you throw the hyzer gap you have to hit a 20-30' wide gap at about 325-340' to have a look at 2.
If you throw straight with a turn over or lefty hyzer you have to throw it about 350 then split two 100' tall cedar tree's and go up the 25' high ridge. While trying not to bail into the river that runs along the right side all the way.

Kenny had a good chance from about 35-40' today in the final round he splashed out of the left side.

:cool::D

Could someone describe hole 6? It is listed as a par five but four out of the top eight players made eagle three on it. :confused:



Nate's eagle came on a totally blind 100-125' up shot. :D

Dave came less than 5' from Aceing the very next hole also

Des Reading with a hot 1011 to close out the tourney. Nice shooting. What is the highest rated round by a PW player in a tourney? anybody???

Organizers for next year should also consider changes to hole 8 and hole 15 - all eight competitors took 'routine' scores of three. From a scoring variation standpoint, you'd like to see some deuces and/or bogeys in there.




Hole #8 is hitting a gap of about 50' wide at around 325-350' then about a 100-150' upshot to a island green that is anywhere from about 1' wide to its widest of about 35' and about 60' long.



It almost sounds like that is a pro par four for 1000-rated players and below. It would make sense that 1025+ rated players like the top 8 in a SuperTour event would all take three on it, rather than a par three that none of the best players in the world would deuce.

It's no biggie; personally I just differ with some of the par settings from the live scoring yesterday. I might have made the "par five" a par 4, and bumped hole 8 up to a par 4. A tough par 4 makes more sense to me than an easy par 5 that yields several eagles, as does as an easy par 4 that yields threes for 1025+ rated players.


Although I've never done an analysis by 5-point rating ranges, it's possible that 12 players above 1010 all get 3s, 8 of 20 between 985 and 1009 get 3s and 12 below 985 get 4s. Unlikely, but still possible on good par 4 hole for Gold. You still can't just cherry pick the top 8 to determine whether scoring spread is good.



Houck, Gentry and I have been developing Super Gold design guidelines (unwritten) which we've used for designing Final 9s for Pro Worlds. The average player rating in the Final 9 is usually over 1025 which is a half step beyond Gold. That's why the Final 9s will probably continue to be a combination of regular holes and special temp holes so there's potential for scoring spread on each hole if some regular holes might not have enough. In fact, that's how we grade ourselves for the layout. Perfect "design score" on a hole is when each player gets a different score. A "double bogey design" is when the four all shoot the same score on a hole.



Yes, I certainly understand the importance of not using a limited set of data and "cherry picking" the top 8 to determine whether the scoring spread is good, but all this helps to show the importance of your development of Super Gold design guidelines. Course designers and SuperTour / Major Tournament Directors need to start thinking about getting scoring separation at the highest levels.

Course designers and SuperTour / Major Tournament Directors need to start thinking about getting scoring separation at the highest levels.




I agree in theory. The problem is that these Super Gold layouts should probably be temporary since they usually aren't suitable/popular for daily play. So, you are likely to end up with a tradeoff of rubber mats (or longer pins/portables) to set up Super Gold layouts versus the likelihood of better teepads on the regular courses and the probablity that several holes won't spread the scores among the very top players.

Des Reading with a hot 1011 to close out the tourney. Nice shooting. What is the highest rated round by a PW player in a tourney? anybody???




Elaine King shot 1014 in the 3rd round at the Hall of Chains a year ago today. Not sure that's the highest but it's higher than 1011 which is still mighty hot for FPO.

But is it really necessary to have score spread for the top players on *every* hole? I'll bet if you look down the leaderboard you would find score spread for the holes in question, so the holes *do* perform well as tests, just maybe not for the most proficient players.

There's nothing wrong with having players with close scores at the top of the leaderboard. It makes for great competition and lots of drama, two things that make the sport more compelling for spectators.

We need scoring swings for the most proficient players, too. If a hole doesn't have a chance for a scoring swing where a player who throws better shots get a better reward, then it's as if the hole doesn't exist. Just cross it off the scorecard because everyone took a 3. Why take the effort to play it and score it? Mark 3s and go on.

Jeff_L, the pars were determined by looking at the scores for the past 2 major events (NT and a ST event) on this course by 1000 rated players. Hole 6 is an easy pro drive (450 ft hyzer or so) but the upshot causes a lot of problems. There is a 45ft gap with a small pine tree in the middle at the top of a ridge that needs to be cleared. If the player goes left then they are in extremely deep shule / trees (1-2 strokes to get out of that). If their approach carries too far, they are OB (road surround that back edge of the green). The entire 50ft green (except the front) is surrounded by trees with low hanging branches (no easy putts). In other words, you need a PERFECT 400+ ft blind approach shot to have a chance at a '3'. Any mistake and you are definitely getting a '4' and likely a '5'. AMs throw to the top of the ridge and toss another 100ft. approach to try and card a '4'.

In the final round Barry had to hit a 60ft putt for '3' and Feldburg missed his shorter putt for a '4'. Couple this with all the people who had an approach go OB or into the rough and you get the average of '5'. In other words, I'd claim that there were some "lucky" 3s during the final round.

With respect to the island hole (#8), I can see where you are coming from. That hole was designed as a 'risky' hyzer shot all the way to a small island for '2'. I guess most pros decided it wasn't worth the risk. There was another small island hole on the other course that carded very few '2's as well.

Hole 15 is a solid par 3... I was surprised that there weren't any '2's in the final round.

www.beaverstatefling.com (http://www.beaverstatefling.com) has a course description with pictures if you want more info.

Greg,

Thanks for the descriptions and a link to the course map. After looking at said map, I would stick with my observations that at 485 feet and OB everywhere, hole 8 is probably an easy par 4, and that hole 6 is either a tough par four or easy par five. Again, following the live scoring, it just seemed miraculous that four players would score eagle threes. In the end, really all that matters are the scores in relation to each other and par is pretty much meaningless anyway, right? :D

Thanks for running a great tournament and for providing the live scoring, allowing me to follow the action 3,000 miles away. :cool:

Great fun, great tournament. All of you who didn't make it should try and come next year.

Erik

Ps. And Bob Graham from New Jersey? Nice guy. Good at mini-golf. You're welcome in Oregon anytime!

Hi Jeff_L� (I�m a Jeff L too!). .anyhow, since there are some questions about a few of the holes played at the Beaver State Fling, and I took some video footage, I figured I�d just do a bit of editing and upload a file!

Check out the video at the link below. It shows the leader card playing hole 6 West.

BSF Hole 6W, leader card (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7261374161513106423)

I�ve got some additional footage as well. If I have time (and if there is interest) I�ll edit and post it too. First I need to figure out how to make the vid look better, I think Google Video made the quiality poor :(

great footage, I would rather see a video like that than the ones that I have bought or got in payout.

Course designers and SuperTour / Major Tournament Directors need to start thinking about getting scoring separation at the highest levels.




I agree in theory. The problem is that these Super Gold layouts should probably be temporary since they usually aren't suitable/popular for daily play. So, you are likely to end up with a tradeoff of rubber mats (or longer pins/portables) to set up Super Gold layouts versus the likelihood of better teepads on the regular courses and the probablity that several holes won't spread the scores among the very top players.



I'm not sure I understand this or the necessity for it. Also, what construes scoring separation? Is this something we need to worry about at the hole level or at the course level?

My guess is that nothing you can do outside of breaking a top guy's leg is going to give scoring separation on a hole. In an event with 10 people playing in the 1000 range, 4 of them are likely to perform well on any fair hole. You can add in a randomness factor, but then the event is going to be won on luck.

Wouldn't we expect that the top players should all perform well on a given hole and that the difference in a round or tournament would be due to one player being able to do the job just a little bit better than the rest for that tournament?

You would think that every player at a 1020 level would always get the same score on a hole but it doesn't happen on well designed holes. There are certain lengths and challenges that will spread scores for any player level. (And lengths that won't.) Knowing what those are is the higher tech part of course design these days and it works. The problem is that when you're designing for players from 975 to 1025, those darned players over 1025, that want to play too, mess up the parameters. :D

Hi Jeff_L� (I�m a Jeff L too!). .anyhow, since there are some questions about a few of the holes played at the Beaver State Fling, and I took some video footage, I figured I�d just do a bit of editing and upload a file!



Check out the video at the link below. It shows the leader card playing hole 6 West.

BSF Hole 6W, leader card (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7261374161513106423)

I�ve got some additional footage as well. If I have time (and if there is interest) I�ll edit and post it too. First I need to figure out how to make the vid look better, I think Google Video made the quiality poor :(



Hey Jeff thanks for the footage, I like it! I didn't get to check out all shots during the round due to carrying the leader board.

Try uploading your edited photage to www.Photobucket.com (http://www.Photobucket.com), all you have to do is setup a free acount and then post the url to your photostrip.

If anyone would like to see hole scores, I could talk with the TD to get the scores from each hole each round for all the 1000 rated players and post them here in a spreadsheet, then you can crunch numbers to compare hole ratings.

What you want to do is go down from the top rated player to the one who makes the average rating for the whole group 1000. Scores from just these 31 guys whose rating averages 999.9 would work just fine for Gold level analysis. If weather was the same (or close SSA values) when they played the same course, I would combine the scores from both rounds on the course so you have 62 values for each hole. I'll do the analysis if you can get me these hole scores in a spreadsheet.

<table border="1"><tr><td> Ken Climo</td><td>4297</td><td>1040
</td></tr><tr><td>Barry Schultz</td><td>6840</td><td>1038
</td></tr><tr><td>Steve Rico</td><td>4666</td><td>1032
</td></tr><tr><td>Dave Feldberg</td><td>12626</td><td>1031
</td></tr><tr><td>Nate Doss</td><td>11794</td><td>1026
</td></tr><tr><td>Chris Spraque</td><td>16425</td><td>1023
</td></tr><tr><td>Josh Anthon</td><td>17946</td><td>1022
</td></tr><tr><td>Avery Jenkins</td><td>7495</td><td>1019
</td></tr><tr><td>Steve Brinster</td><td>10628</td><td>1018
</td></tr><tr><td>Phil Arthur</td><td>7289</td><td>1014
</td></tr><tr><td>Jay Reading</td><td>15864</td><td>1012
</td></tr><tr><td>Shawn Sinclair</td><td>10819</td><td>1008
</td></tr><tr><td>Nate Sexton</td><td>18824</td><td>1008
</td></tr><tr><td>Gregg Barsby</td><td>15857</td><td>1001
</td></tr><tr><td>Ray Johnson</td><td>10355</td><td>998
</td></tr><tr><td>Lane Mason</td><td>11935</td><td>996
</td></tr><tr><td>Andrew Rich</td><td>14349</td><td>992
</td></tr><tr><td>Dario Re\\'</td><td>20838</td><td>992
</td></tr><tr><td>Kurt Bayne</td><td>6106</td><td>990
</td></tr><tr><td>Mike Cain</td><td>24640</td><td>987
</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Davidson</td><td>16715</td><td>987
</td></tr><tr><td>Randy Cox</td><td>22104</td><td>984
</td></tr><tr><td>Bob Graham</td><td>6341</td><td>983
</td></tr><tr><td>Gibson Holub</td><td>10540</td><td>982
</td></tr><tr><td>Coury Coates</td><td>18175</td><td>981
</td></tr><tr><td>Stanley Pratt</td><td>20426</td><td>979
</td></tr><tr><td>Aaron Kirschling</td><td>13676</td><td>977
</td></tr><tr><td>Cheyney Steininger</td><td>16169</td><td>974
</td></tr><tr><td>Dave Brown</td><td>26165</td><td>968
</td></tr><tr><td>Jeremy \Yoduh\ Thornton</td><td>20504</td><td>968
</td></tr><tr><td>Aaron Pitzer</td><td>19737</td><td>966
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Cris and I are looking at doing a full analysis of the hole scores for the BSF. We have a lot of good data across all the divisions, with everyone playing the same layouts in very consistent conditions (weather-wise). I think we may be able to enter all the data for all players for all rounds, and crunch the numbers. It will help us accurately evaluate the course layouts, and it will give us some good data about the differences between how different divisions and ratings levels play on the same holes.

-Theo

Hi Jeff_L� (I�m a Jeff L too!). .anyhow, since there are some questions about a few of the holes played at the Beaver State Fling, and I took some video footage, I figured I�d just do a bit of editing and upload a file!

Check out the video at the link below. It shows the leader card playing hole 6 West.

BSF Hole 6W, leader card (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7261374161513106423)

I�ve got some additional footage as well. If I have time (and if there is interest) I�ll edit and post it too. First I need to figure out how to make the vid look better, I think Google Video made the quiality poor :(



Awesome video, Jeff! Takes me right back to the action. And for those who watched the amazing battle and deja vu at that hole between Barry and Dave in the two previous Flings, you'll appreciate how good a three on that hole really is.

-Theo

I posted some photos on the ODSA page,
here the link http://odsa.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3
they're under "brock's beaver photos"
enjoy

I'm afraid that I may have helped skew the statistics. I played despite blowing out my back the day before the tournament. One of my rounds was 35 points below my rating *grin*. I don't feel bad though, this was one of the best tournaments I've ever been to. Best organized, best course, and best people. Certainly worth the week or two of no disc golf it's going to take to heal back up. Thanks to everyone I met, and everyone that offered my some sort of pain killer when they saw me limping around the course.

Sorry to hear about your back Stan... rest up and come back next year!

I'm afraid that I may have helped skew the statistics. I played despite blowing out my back the day before the tournament. One of my rounds was 35 points below my rating *grin*. I don't feel bad though, this was one of the best tournaments I've ever been to. Best organized, best course, and <font color="red"> best people </font>. Certainly worth the week or two of no disc golf it's going to take to heal back up. Thanks to everyone I met, and everyone that offered my some sort of pain killer when they saw me limping around the course.

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Of course Stan is referring to having the honor of playing a round with me.

Sorry to hear about your back Stan... rest up and come back next year!



I will definitely be back next year.

And, yes, Ryan. Meeting and playing with you was great fun. Next year, however, I'll be able to go in on the side bet for the distance throw *grin*.

Sorry to hear about your back Stan... rest up and come back next year!



I will definitely be back next year.

And, yes, Ryan. Meeting and playing with you was great fun. Next year, however, I'll be able to go in on the side bet for the distance throw *grin*.

Sounds like a plan, I'll even let you throw a roller :)

I just may be able to beat Stan with that injury... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
See you at De La