Has anyone tried one of these yet? They are pretty sweet check it out The Whitler (http://snapdiscsports.com/html/product_discs.html)

I was lucky enough to get a prototype of this disc at a recent local tournament and man it's like it can read my mind. you just line up the basket, like you're playing catch, and bam it's in. Only, because of it's smaller diameter it's not as wind-affected like regular ulti discs.

I threw a few rouds with this disc, and inside 120' I hit metal 90% of the time, and never had any crazy fly-bys, I was always <20' from the basket.

It's like the old school touch discs, only in better plastic. It bumped the aero's, aviars, and XD's that I've been toying with, out of my bag.

Seriously worth a look at this disc. It may not be the longest flying, but accuracy is what counts right? :D

sounds pretty cool.. i'll have to pick one up.

-Scott Lewis

WAY TO GO GLEN!!!!
Hows production coming?

It sounds similar to a Rattler or Super Puppy. Is it similar in shape and flight to either of these? Neat that Glenn gets some props.

no it's bigger than a rattler or the puppy. It most closely resembles a skystreak, but in durable&grippy plastic.

They are running their first product run now, and they tell me it's finally PDGA approved. I'll get my hands on one of the new ones next weekend when we have our next tournament.

They fly slow and straight...

And yes, Glen totally deserves to see his name on a disc. As far as us canadians are concerned he should be in the H.O.F., but then again I might be a little bias. :D

Bought one proto on ebaysome month ago, and for you "ancient" players ( ;)), this is really old school in new durable plastic ( /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif), it is similar to a Kitty Hawk Sureshot (or...., Flynvegas?)
My ex is made in very, very soft, gumby plastic, I don�t like it on a approach, midrange disc. I guess that that the production run will be a made in a stiffer plastic. The surface of the palstic feels great, and grip is perfect! Looking forward to try out the production run discs.
I�m also happy to see that companies ( Like Latitude64 and Snap) are trying to do new reliable and controllable discs in the putter to midrange scale, not just making disc as fast or overstable as possible!
Good luck!!

They are running their first product run now, and they tell me it's finally PDGA approved



Is it newly approved? I could�nt find anything about it in the PDGA approved list?

I talked to Glenn 3 weeks ago and at that time it wasn't PDGA approved yet. He had a super stiff proto that was much like the Kittyhawk. Then he had a soft one that you could bend like a Blow Fly.

I hope they release them in the stiff plastic.

And yes, Glenn deserves a vote for the HOF. He has to be the longest touring pro out there.

Has anyone tried one of these yet? They are pretty sweet check it out The Whitler (http://snapdiscsports.com/html/product_discs.html)





Glen showed me one at the Memorial.

It felt REALLY good in the hand. I didnt have a chance to throw it though...

Im sure if its named after Glen, it will be worth its weight in gold....

Whats Next...The "Vapor".. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ;)
:D

Whats Next...The "Vapor".. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ;)
:D



yeah, definitely!

There's been a few runs of this disc, in different plastics, and different stiffnesses.

There was a stiff run that wasn't very durable, and the really floppy run was friggin bombproof, I saw a bus run it over, and it flew the exact same. :eek: :D


I think this new production run is somewhere in the middle. but again I'll have to check it out next week.

Ultimately I think they are going with whatever Glen wants...

Way to go, Glen. You deserve your own disc. Sorry I missed you on your SW states tour. Didn't miss the "vapor" trails, though! :D

"the Whitler fills the gap between a long putt and a midrange lay up"

That's a confusing statement. Can someone explain.

I imagine it's a really slow disc with tons of glide. That way, you can glide it to the basket instead of spinning it or pitching it too much. You can be more agressive with the putt without worring about blowing it by too much.
If my ideas about this disc are correct, one will find my way into the bag without a doubt.

Please don't confuse my post as an attack on this new disc. I'm just wondering what they are selling here.

Putt or approach, what is in between?

To me that statement was like they were putting a number on it. Maybe they meant "This disc is for those 162ft upshots" Then they showed a guy throwing it in from around 45ft. Why not use a putter for a putt?

I'm all for new discs and new companies but why not market it as a putter or midrange?

"...but why not market it as a putter or midrange?"

Because there's already half a dozen or more companies making good, dependable putters and mid-ranges, but there isn't one who claims to make a "putt-range" disc yet.

I see. What kind of shots will it be used for?

Use it for chipping it at the basket when you don't want to fly by,

Around 100' or so.

and for the record, the shot in the video was ~75' they paced it out afterwards.

you can't always get every shot on video, so you settle for what you get :D

Thanks Jaymo. That's an interesting answer. The disc is used for 100 foot shots but works for 75 foot shots. That sounds just like a putter.

Anyway I think Glenn is a good guy and I really wish him luck with this putter/midrange hybrid.

BTW, I hardly ever carry midranges. I find them virtually useless.

It's great to see all this interest and discussion over our product! I suppose the definition of the whitler provided on the site could use some refining. The term I've been using to describe it lately is a "long range putter", although I"ve been using it for all sorts of shots... What we were aiming to achieve in our design was a disc with the classic feel and control of the old wham-o products while incorporating new age polymers and tweaking the design for better basket reaction. The result is a dead-slow but laser straight disc that you'd use to safely run chains from off the green. The video clip on the site is a shot taken from 75-80 feet, but I saw glen just miss ace on a tourney CTP a few weeks ago on a 200' shot.
Keep the questions coming... Until then we're working overtime to get this disc in a basket near you.

-Matt
www.SnapDiscsports.com (http://www.SnapDiscsports.com)

So the whitler will fly like a whamo... that sounds cool, maybe a disc you can play catch with a little easier (slower speed, less finger nail pain knumbing early morning injuries) before a tourney to warm up. I know I used to carry a Sky Steak just for such shots... want one send some to MIchigan.

Matt,
is it approved by the PDGA?

I think it was recently approved, like really recently, I saw the most recent list from March 6th and it wasn't on there... but if it isn't done now it's imminent.

I know Glen was using it at the memorial, so it must have been approved by then... then again those grandmasters players... you never know. :D

Actually, we just sent some in to undergo the approval process, so they aren't approved just yet. However, we conducted all of the required tests prior to submitting it and the Whitler is a no brainer for approval. Should be legal to 185+!

Matt,
have you set a date for release yet?

What about the Vapor? A long range driver?

The goal is to have The Whitler released in April. We will be sending out promo-packs to select dealers over the next few weeks that will contain protos etc. For any dealers out there interested in carrying Whitlers e-mail info@snapdiscsports.ca

As for the vapour, well that's kind of a joke relating to Glen and his gastrol-intestinal abilities :D. However, we will be releasing a Snap driver in the near future, but like the Whitler it wont be until we're completely satisfied with the end result, so i'm not going to make a promise on a release date or name just yet. A disc worth mentioning now is our dvd! We'll have more info and trailers on this at our website. It features the BC Open, footage from infamous Pender Island, behind the scenes on disc production, and all sorts of crazy #$*&$!!

I wouldn't mind dying some of that plastic. Looks yummy!!!!

proto-photo. the production run will also come in "onthe green".
http://snapdiscsports.com/images/w-1.jpg

How can I buy some proto types? Glen didn't have any with him when he was in Vegas. Thx

We have a few proto 2nds left for sale. E-mail us for details at info@snapdiscsports.ca

Those Protos are sweet.

I had to make a hard decision at the Mundy tounament, Entry fee, or new snap disc...

needless to say I sucked, and wish I had bought a disc instead. :D

more pix.
http://www.snapdiscsports.com/images/whitler/

The Whitler was approved by the pdga today. Thanks for the fast turnaround Jeff H.

Great!, When do you start to ship?

more pix.
http://www.snapdiscsports.com/images/whitler/



Is this a putter ?

What weights where you approved to? I've got a Dx like Whitler that is a 166.5. It's pretty sweet, especially for warming up and playing catch, but I want a heavy one in the hard plastic bad!!

more pix.
http://www.snapdiscsports.com/images/whitler/



Oh , what type of plastic are they run in ?

Is it like a DX ? Or Pro /Elite type ? or possibly candy type ?

Flexibilty rating 2,95, that is a flexy lid :eek:

Matt, is it going to be released in the Legend plastic first.

I'll do my best to answer your questions in order:
1. Although it can be used as a putter (so can a speed demon if you wanted), the Whitler is what we call a Touch disc, specifically designed for scoring from off the green without the reprecussion of a blow-by.
2. The Whitler is legal to 187.6 grams. Our first run will all be 165-175. A subsequent run in our A-S1 plastic will reach our max. legal weight.
3. The Whitler mould is the first in our Legend Line which will be a series of moulds (mainly retro) named after Legends in disc sports.
4. The first run of Whitlers will be in a premium plastic (A-S2 or A-grade series 2) unlike any other on the disc golf market. It has excellent grip, unbelievable memory, and is highly resistant to abrasion. A-S2 is a flexy plastic (nothing like your proto mf1000 :D) which is soft on the hands, but more importantly a sponge in the chains. Whitlock calls this effect "Tremble Technology" because the disc vibrates immediately upon impact generating greater contact with the chains a better incidence of staying in them.
5. Dealers will be receiving samples over the next few days. We have set May 1st as the release date.

Here's a bold statement, but one we absolutely believe:
The Whitler is the most accurate disc ever!

when i first tried this new run i thot the springyness would make them kick out but they kept going in.after some closer evaluation i realized the "'tremble' tm created multiple almost instantaneous chain strikes.

Great job Glenn! I can't wait to float some Whitler's.

I putt with a Kitty Hawk and carry a Skystreak in my bag for floater approaches, so this disc sounds like it is right up my alley!

Go retro!!!! :D

I had a chance to throw a Proto of this Snapdisc Whitler Disc over the weekend.

It's just stable. Nice Upshot disc. Kinda reminds me of a New Midnight Flyer 71c star glow whamo disc.

Holds hyzer when thrown with hyzer.
Holds turnover when thrown with turnover.
Holds Flat when thrown flat.

Yeah I think snap will be at the Beaver State... with gear and whitlers.

:D

If you see Glenn Witlock , tell him Donny O says " HI " !!!!! :D

See if he is still putting with super puppy's !!!!!

ohh totally... Glen is still using super puppies. His approach disc (I think it was a skystreak or something he used for years) has now been replaced by the whitler.

He is still one of the most dominant players in open (let alone in masters) on any course that is not a 'big arm' course.

cheers :D

Well I just send the company an email. I really want one of these discs, even though I dont know who its named after.... :o:D:D

Thanks for all your patience. We're still growing into our disc manufacturer britches. The Whitler will be available at better dealers late this month (as apposed to early as previously predicted). I believe Sun King discs is taking pre-orders. Just put whitler into the search on their site. Look for our ad. in Disc Golf Mag and Disc Golf World next issue too.

oh yeah, and I will be at the beaver state fling with a few of our last remaining protos for those interested.
-Matt

oh yeah, and I will be at the beaver state fling with a few of our last remaining protos for those interested.
-Matt



Matt:

I don't know you, but please seek me out at the Fling. I'll be there all weekend playing Open and should be there the Thursday before the festivities helping with doubles. I'd like to pick up a proto, shake your hand, and thank you for recognizing Whitlock.

Erik

as long as glen can get across the border with an expired passport i'll be arriving with him. otherwise, i'm the lanky guy wearing the red trucker hat with a blue snap sticker on it. see you there.

Glen showed up late on the second day... took an 8 on #1west...

still managed to tie for the lead for the round. That guy is crazy. got a vid of him nailing a 50' putt with the whitler.

I'll try and post it later.

Matt,
We received 4 discs from you guys last week.
Did you want some feed back?
We played catch with 2 of them for about 2 hours today. The more firmer white one has great stability and the Green H type plastic was easy to catch as it was pretty flexible.
the discs kind of reminds me of a 71 mold.

If you would like to talk more about the discs PM me your phone number and I will give you a call.

Dave,
Try us toll free: 1-888-785-3312
We'd love to chat. You know George.
We'd like some Gateway samples too :)!

Which of the three colors has the flatest dome, black, green, or yellow?

There is little variation in the dome so far. The stamp seems to be the lone factor in this. Our disc or die (skull w/ snap logo in teeth) stamp flattens the top slightly more than the others. We ran a ltd ed. BC Open stamp which made the disc a little flatter too, but those wont be commercially available. SunKing will have a bunch of black disc or die in the next few days.

Glen showed up late on the second day... took an 8 on #1west...

still managed to tie for the lead for the round. That guy is crazy. got a vid of him nailing a 50' putt with the whitler.

I'll try and post it later.


J,
Did you ever figure out how to post that vid?

the video of whitlock???

don't know where to put it up???

I'll try something

view Snapdisc Whitler video here (http://snapdiscsports.com/test/whitler.html)

dude, that's me not whitler the guy. The video in question is one taken by my bro Jaymo at the Beaver State Fling where Glen tosses in a huge touch shot with his competition razzing him in the background. I guess we have to put it online somewhere to view it hey Jay?

oops :o sorry :o



i do hope to throw a Snapdisc Whitler -- if it is SkyStreak-like i may just put one in my bag.

yeah it's exactly like a skystreak... pretty much.

but yeah. I need to find a hosting site, that is free...

try this (http://www.geocities.com/thegranolaman/Whittler.AVI)

I think this should work... crappy res though... unfortunately

J

i have dial-up so that's a no-go for me. funny -- slow connection; slow disc. :D

so, i'm guessing it's a bit more stable than a SkyStreak? if so, what color seems to be the least stable? that's the one for me. is max weight 180? 177?

Try posting the vid to video.google.com or youtube.com... both are free you just need to register.

Just placed order for 5 thru Sun King. Why only 164 to 166g?

Just placed order for 5 thru Sun King. Why only 164 to 166g?



The primary reason for this is that the integrity of the material would have been compromised if we had added weight altering agents, not just in terms of durability, but also grip. The first run is made from completely virgin material (excepting colour) which also ensured consistency within the run, which we thought extremely important in a disc designed specifically for TOUCH shots.

Secondly, based on two years of proto testing, we found the 165 range to be the straightest and truest flying with the least amount of fade at slow speeds. I discuss this issue a bit more here too on the stickit forum (http://forums.stickitdg.com/smf/index.php?topic=1002.0;all).

We've got a brainchild in the whomb for a longer range whitler which will likely be stiffer and heavier, but for now this is the money disc that we wanted to release before anything else! We wanted to see what you (the player) can do from 80ft. and then offer the tool for 150ft...

Thx for the info, I can't wait to try these out.

did my link work guys?

It worked for me.

did my link work guys?


it didn't work the first time, but i got it this time. schweet!

YO! new and vastly improved Snap website. Check back for regular updates.
http://www.snapdiscsports.com

When will the Whitler reach Sun King?

They already have it on their site

While on vacation last week in British Columbia, I finally got a chance to check out one of these Snapdisc Whitler discs. Here are my notes and observations after fondling this plastic:

This disc has the look and feel of a Frisbee more than a disc golf disc. It's very thin and has a big dome like a lid does. It's very floppy and you can easily bend the thing in half. However, the plastic with which it is constructed seems much tougher and much more durable than regular plastic. It's also grippier. As advertised, the intent of this disc seems to be to make an old school lid in today's high-tech plastic for superb durability.

I believe that this disc will definitely improve a golfer's short game. It will allow for an increased liklihood of holing out long putts. As described, it will nicely fill a niche role in your disc golf bag between the putter and the mid-range. You'll be able to make reasonable runs at the basket without blowing past the polehole and leaving yourself long comebackers should you miss the cage.

With its floppiness, this disc will be excellent for short hammers, scoobers, thumbers, etc. where the idea is to throw the disc up and over an obstacle and have it land and stay close to the polehole. When this thing lands, it just flops immediately to a standstill.

Old school Frisbee throwers will be immediately "at home" with this disc. People that were never Frisbee throwers and who were weaned on disc golf discs will have to learn how to throw the Snapdisc Whitler properly. Too much arm speed would easily overpower it.

They already have it on their site



I know, I ordered a while back. But, they just pushed the date out again. Thx

They already have it on their site



I know, I ordered a while back. But, they just pushed the date out again. Thx



SunKing will have some more within the next few days, which is probably when you will get yours. We've been shipping them to him direct while we finalize our US distribution deal. I'm sorry you've had to wait, I think it will be worth it :D.

Jeff, nice analysis of the Whitler. I strongly agree that disc golfers with little experience in other disc sports tend to arm the Whitler too much. The disc is all about the wrist and hand, hence TOUCH. My advice for disc golfers trying to enhance their TOUCH with the Whitler: play tons of catch with it and then take it to the course.

So ... last post was about a month ago. Anyone throw the Whitler and have some feedback? I'm curious ...

I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. I ordered all green.

Ive seen them. Myself, I found them big and floaty. I havent been playing since the days of "big" discs, but it felt really large to me, and had a real deep rim. If you are an old schooler, I think its a disc youd like, upon sight. I cannot say how they perform.

I have a green proto that Ive been messing around with for a while now. I could see it being useful on certain types of courses. It goes really straight with a smooth throw. I can get it to fly 150-175 ft with very little effort. Also great for really quick short turnovers.

I love the way the floppy plastic folds up and stays wherever it hits. Spike shots (hyzer and anhyzer) will bounce once and sit when it hits the ground. Hit a tree or the basket it just makes a weird noise and falls right to the ground never rolling very far. Hit the chains and it almost always goes in.

I would have to say it is a good Utility TOUCH disc. great to play catch with as well. Old schoolers and people looking for slow control will definitley love these.

I would second the previous post. Dan @ DTWorld had a green prototype that I tried out with my son. It goes absolutely straight. For those of us who remember approaching with 40-molds, it is a flashback. Of course, I think that's a shot sorely missing in many younger player's games.

I'm a bit miffed about the delay, however. I "pre-ordered" one of each color (black, greem, yellow) over 2 months ago from Sun King, and I have yet to receive the discs, I think because Sun King does not have them yet.

What's the hold up???

Whitler Update:

Two things held up the arrival of the Whitler; the manufacturing of it was pushed back several times and then customs interferred with the progress as well.

We have already shipped most of our pre-orders. We filled them with black, the only color that's been available for some time. Green, yellow, white and tie-dyed shipped today and we should have them by the end of this week or early next week.

Thanks for your patience.

Mike

Mike is totally correct in the reasons behind the delays. Rest assured that we are doing everything possible to get Whitlers throughout the US as quickly and best as possible. For the time being Sun King is your best bet for getting one asap. I think they will be worth the wait! And now that the kinks with customs and distribution are worked out for the most part on our end, delays shouldn't be a problem with future Whitler runs and new Snap products.
-Matt

Matt,
You should call and we can get rolling on some new discs.

Mike,

Any word on the Whitlers?

It's just an overhyped lid. Just go buy a Zephyr instead, way better disc anyway.....and cheaper.

I guess you have to be a lid officianado to understand the outstanding differences between a Zephyr and a Whitler :D.

...ok....give me a wizard over either. speed 2? I guess if I'm doing MTA in a hurricane, the whitler is the way to go. If I'm playing DISC GOLF, I wouldn't throw either.
Not trying to knock your disc, but I've now thrown both and prefer a Zephyr when it comes to flight, price, plastic, and any other category. If I'm buying a disc to play "catch" with, I'm not going to spend $14.

No offence taken. For the record, I carry four wizards in my bag and probably throw them at least twice as much as my Whitler. But when you need a Touch disc you need a Touch disc and a wizard just isn't one. As for the Zephyr comparison, I could never get one to stay in the chains very well (plus it's stable compared to a Whitler), but I think they're great for discathon. You're either down with the Touch thing or you're not, it's cool. Maybe you'll like our next disc... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

our next disc... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



.... and your next disc is.......? Lets here !

I finally received some black Whitlers, still waiting on the green. So far, great warm up disc. Might replace the 50 mold for catch. I've only had it with me for 4 rounds of golf. Hit a sweet 100 ft. birdie with it. Sounds crazy when it hits chains.

Right now, I wish it was about 20 grams heavier. Cool stamp.

I've only had it with me for 4 rounds of golf. Hit a sweet 100 ft. birdie with it. Sounds crazy when it hits chains.



That's exactly what this disc is for: having a chance to put it in from that distance, while not zooming way past and leaving a difficult comebacker putt.

Question to Snap ... Have any other colors beside black been shipped out to retailers? I won't buy a black disc to throw ... I need a green or yellow one. Have these colors been produced and shipped to anyone (including sunking)?

Question to Snap ... Have any other colors beside black been shipped out to retailers? I won't buy a black disc to throw ... I need a green or yellow one. Have these colors been produced and shipped to anyone (including sunking)?



Sun King was sent a mix of colors last week and should have them by now. However, he'll have limted numbers and I know he had a bit of a back order for them. Our major US distributor is Lynx Disc Golf who is also receiving a MAJOR shipment soon, which should result in a much greater accessibility of our disc. As a new manufacturer these things often take a while to work out. Especially in this day and age of heightened security.

FYI, we produced the following colors: OnThe Green, Safety Yellow, Obsidian Black, and Ivory White. Excepting black (disc or die stamp only), these colors are available in three stamps as well: disc or die, guru (both of which are featured on our website), and classic (pretty plain jane w/ logo etc.). We've had lots of positive feedback on the stamp art so far.

Regarding the request for a Whitler 20 grams heavier, we will be producing another run of Whitler this year which will approach our max. weight (187 g) in our incredible A.S1 polymer. The result is greater stability and rigidity for slightly longer flights. We will likely produce a heaver A.S2 version as well (same as 1st run). Personally though, I consider my first run a deadly weapon (even at a slight weight of 165 g)!

Sorry MF100, protos are a secret until you see them in the upcoming UPDATES section of our website. You do catch a glimpse of it at the end of Snap the Movie though ;).

Need to throw some disc now.....

Keep up the good work. I'd really like the 187g max Whitler.

Snap,
Thanks for all the info. I'm looking forward to getting a Whitler to check out. I occasionally play with an old school player (Rob Bryan), and he's always pulling out a secret weapon ... an old, old disc that is super slow and it's his go-to disc for upshots in the 100 ft. range. I'm always amazed at the shots he makes with that old beat lid. It's fun to watch ... but I want to have a disc like that in my bag too! ;)

So since you mentioned it, is Snap the movie being shipped yet?
I ordered it about a month ago, got charged for it, and still haven't received it.

So since you mentioned it, is Snap the movie being shipped yet?
I ordered it about a month ago, got charged for it, and still haven't received it.



Brad, we have record of your order and are looking into tracking the item. We most certainly have been shipping Snap the Movie and will get yours to you one way or another. I will e-mail you with the results of our queery asap. Thanks for getting to us on this.
-Matt

Hey Snap,

I am planning on "snapping" one of these up and was wondering what color currently at Sun King is the most firm. Everyone seems to say that they are pretty floppy and I am looking for something a little more firm. Also which ever one it is please compare to another well known plastic.

Thanks
Scott

Hi Matt,
been trying out a green Whitler (proto, 158grams), like the feel of the plastic, great flex seems very durable.
Great approach disc, flies stable when thrown with low power, would also like to see/ try out one at 175-180gram.
Matt, under the discs it says Irwin Toy Co :confused: , is Snap a part of that comapny?

Hey Snap,

I am planning on "snapping" one of these up and was wondering what color currently at Sun King is the most firm. Everyone seems to say that they are pretty floppy and I am looking for something a little more firm. Also which ever one it is please compare to another well known plastic.

Thanks
Scott



Scott,
For the most part the colors are of the same flexibility and weight. We are very concerned with coming out with a consistent product, especially as this is a Touch disc and we aimed to make every disc in the series the same in consideration of replacement. As Cary Trotter pointed out, the unique consistency (albeit fairly flexy) makes for excellent reaction to the chains. In short, if you can adjust to the flexyness of the plastic your going to hit more shots!
All this said, there are some who believe the whites are slightly more rigid, but I have yet to see this point proven in our own testing.
As for a plastic comparison. I'd call our A.S2 polymer a combination of Z/Champ in terms of durability, and pro/H (gateway) in grip.


Hi Matt,
been trying out a green Whitler (proto, 158grams), like the feel of the plastic, great flex seems very durable.
Great approach disc, flies stable when thrown with low power, would also like to see/ try out one at 175-180gram.
Matt, under the discs it says Irwin Toy Co :confused: , is Snap a part of that comapny?



I'm somewhat surprised at the weight of your proto. Are you sure the scale you used is callibrated?
Irwin was the Canadian manufacturer of Wham-o products throughout the 80's. It was through irwin that we researched and licenced the mold that best fit our concept, modified it and the end result is the Whitler mold. We chose to leave the original script on the underside (at least for the first run) to lend credibility to the quality of the mold and as a label of an authentic retro product. You'll notice that this is a trend that has been carried out with certain DGA and Millenium products as well.

I love answering all your questions. Keep 'em coming!

Snap,

My only question is when will mine show up? I ordered three (1 ea. black, green yellow) from your main distributor months ago, and I haven't received them yet. I want to be on here ranting about how great the disc is, but I can't until I get one!!!

Rizbee

The Whitler shipment arrived today. All pre-orders will ship between today and tomorrow. We also got some of the dyed Whitlers in, I'll be adding a section on the site tonight or tomorrow for your viewing and purchasing pleasure.

Thanks for your patience!
Mike

My Whitlers (and other goodies) arrived today!!!!

Dye version is way cool. I will give them a heavy-duty test this weekend!

Yes they do look like they would dye nicely.......hehehe

I've been tossing a whitler around for about a week now.
It definitely is a niche disc. Very easy to throw, and it has tons of glide. The plastic feels awesome. I like it for floating in left to right upshots.

My 11 year old cousin has been throwing it as well. He is in love with it. He throws is furthur than anything else he has. Mind you, he's only played a few months, but the Whitler is easily going 125ft. for him, with very little power and spotty technique.

I don't know if it will stay in my bag for rounds, but it will definitely stay in the truck for playing catch and warming up.

And thanks again to Snap for their awesome customer serivce. I ordered the Snap dvd and somehow my order got mishandled. To make up for the confusion, they sent me said Whitler, free of charge. Good guys in my book.

Here are 6 custom stamped discs I just listed on ebay starting at $5.00 each except for the Hall of Fame disc.

17684 auction (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZjasper69QQhtZ-1)

why are you posting your E-Bay discs on this thread?

My Whitlers (and other goodies) arrived today!!!!

Dye version is way cool. I will give them a heavy-duty test this weekend!



did you get a chance to try them on the course yet?

Matt,

Thought you were sending me some discs to dye for you guys?

Josh

I've ordered mine!

Can't wait.

I have no clue what to expect...when I started DX was the "old style" plastic. I don't know how I will handle this throw-back disc.

But send it anyway! :D

the whitler is not supposed to be old school plastic, on the contrary its supposed to be a new top of the line plastic, its supposed to be old school in flight.

I like the Whitler. The best thing about it is the speed ... it's sloooow. The plastic is bomber ... I'm sure it will last a long, long time.
I haven't got the flight dialed yet, and probably won't have it in my bag at any tourneys soon.
Since I do not have a lot of experience with old style golf discs, I can't really compare it to anything. But I can say that I what I would like to see.
Same plastic, same shape, in a smaller diameter (standard putter size). The larger size throws me off when I switch from driver, to Whitler, to putter. The 166g weight that I have feels really light to me, do when heavier weights are available, I will try them.
I can see a smaller, only slightly heaver version of this disc being very valuable in my bag.
I usually use an Aviar P&A, and have been trying an Aero for shots where I need a slow disc. Haven't tried the Polecat, but I'm thinking about getting one. If the Whitler were smaller diameter, it would definately be my first choice because the speed, plastic, and disc shape is great.

Matt,

Thought you were sending me some discs to dye for you guys?

Josh



We most likely will. We're as busy as ever right now with selling the first run and have some new projects on the go. We've been on the road quite a bit too. We'll be in touch soon. We really like your work!

Cool! Not worried or in a hurry. Just curious from our last discussion. Laters man!! Looks like a sweet disc!!

Josh

I just got my Whitler in today, and I love it!

Big long range floater putts.

Sickly sweet! :D

Think the stamp could have been better. But its still cool.

My Whitlers (and other goodies) arrived today!!!!

Dye version is way cool. I will give them a heavy-duty test this weekend!



did you get a chance to try them on the course yet?



I had a chance to use them on Saturday in a practice round. I love the way the disc flies absolutely straight - right where you aim it. I'm experimenting with how much nose up or air bounce to give it - if I throw it flat it floats past the basket a bit if my aim is off. But - I had very few shots within 50-60 feet that didn't hit something metal.

I'll keep working on dialing it in, but the Whittler is a welcome addition for me.

So the moive whats up with that?

The movie is pretty cool.

It's about the SNAP team and their adventures at a few tournaments, and making the whitler. It's like a documentary. It's pretty funny, and cool because I hit a huge 60' up hill throw/putt for cash in the doubles match at the BC Open.

what weight ranges are being manufactured?

I hate that the disc says "Toy" on the back,

And it can handle about .000005 mph of wind. Not good for Oklahoma golf. :(

Any comments?

The "toy" reference actually has some historical significance in disc sports - Irwin Toy used to be the Canadian liscencee for Wham-o, all the way back to the 60's (I think).

It is wind-sensitive, as all slower, floating discs are. You can tame the wind somewhat by adding more snap. But I can see how that still might not fill the bill in Oklahoma.

What sort of a grip do you use on it?

I have just been doing a pretty general fan grip on it....

....any suggestions?

Question to Snap ... Have any other colors beside black been shipped out to retailers? I won't buy a black disc to throw ... I need a green or yellow one. Have these colors been produced and shipped to anyone (including sunking)?



Sun King was sent a mix of colors last week and should have them by now. However, he'll have limted numbers and I know he had a bit of a back order for them. Our major US distributor is Lynx Disc Golf who is also receiving a MAJOR shipment soon, which should result in a much greater accessibility of our disc. As a new manufacturer these things often take a while to work out. Especially in this day and age of heightened security.

FYI, we produced the following colors: OnThe Green, Safety Yellow, Obsidian Black, and Ivory White. Excepting black (disc or die stamp only), these colors are available in three stamps as well: disc or die, guru (both of which are featured on our website), and classic (pretty plain jane w/ logo etc.). We've had lots of positive feedback on the stamp art so far.

Regarding the request for a Whitler 20 grams heavier, we will be producing another run of Whitler this year which will approach our max. weight (187 g) in our incredible A.S1 polymer. The result is greater stability and rigidity for slightly longer flights. We will likely produce a heaver A.S2 version as well (same as 1st run). Personally though, I consider my first run a deadly weapon (even at a slight weight of 165 g)!

Sorry MF100, protos are a secret until you see them in the upcoming UPDATES section of our website. You do catch a glimpse of it at the end of Snap the Movie though ;).

Need to throw some disc now.....



Hi Matt,
Snap Driver info wanted???? :p

Whitler in a bit stiffer plastic, 180-185gram wanted, what are your plans? :D:D

Question to Snap ... Have any other colors beside black been shipped out to retailers? I won't buy a black disc to throw ... I need a green or yellow one. Have these colors been produced and shipped to anyone (including sunking)?



Sun King was sent a mix of colors last week and should have them by now. However, he'll have limted numbers and I know he had a bit of a back order for them. Our major US distributor is Lynx Disc Golf who is also receiving a MAJOR shipment soon, which should result in a much greater accessibility of our disc. As a new manufacturer these things often take a while to work out. Especially in this day and age of heightened security.

FYI, we produced the following colors: OnThe Green, Safety Yellow, Obsidian Black, and Ivory White. Excepting black (disc or die stamp only), these colors are available in three stamps as well: disc or die, guru (both of which are featured on our website), and classic (pretty plain jane w/ logo etc.). We've had lots of positive feedback on the stamp art so far.

Regarding the request for a Whitler 20 grams heavier, we will be producing another run of Whitler this year which will approach our max. weight (187 g) in our incredible A.S1 polymer. The result is greater stability and rigidity for slightly longer flights. We will likely produce a heaver A.S2 version as well (same as 1st run). Personally though, I consider my first run a deadly weapon (even at a slight weight of 165 g)!

Sorry MF100, protos are a secret until you see them in the upcoming UPDATES section of our website. You do catch a glimpse of it at the end of Snap the Movie though ;).

Need to throw some disc now.....



Hi Matt,
Snap Driver info wanted???? :p

Whitler in a bit stiffer plastic, 180-185gram wanted, what are your plans? :D:D



For real...If you guys made a stiffer Whitler it would make it to my bag. Because I like the current Whitler, and it is deadly accurate in the backyard, but when it goes out to the course with me it is just too crazy. Flips too easy (on a putt) and it is difficult to get a consistent grip. Something a little firmer would solve the grip issue for me, am maybe a little more weight would help it stay straight even on those 65 footers.

I am serious. I think this is a good idea.

Matt, you guys better hook me up with some drivers when they come out! mmmmmmmm.... Whitler Driver!!!

What's the timeline on the Whitler Driver? Is it going to be like the slightly translucent and REALLY stiff first runs. I think Glen has one and I know Brian D has one.

Those things are sweet!!! I think you guys were selling them for 50$ as a proto run and I wish I had bought one!

And where were you Snap guys this weekend (Jericho) My buddy wanted to get a whitler.

George and I are working on the North end of the island to drum up some additional cash for more mould contruction endeavours. We aren't making any promises on the next Whitler release other than it will be available to max weight. We are probably doing a stiff version too. The first run just hit the US market though, so we're not rushing it just yet. Being a BCer though, you'll probably see anything new before the vast majority. We also have something completely new in the works too... I'll see you at Nanaimo.

For real...If you guys made a stiffer Whitler it would make it to my bag. Because I like the current Whitler, and it is deadly accurate in the backyard, but when it goes out to the course with me it is just too crazy. Flips too easy (on a putt) and it is difficult to get a consistent grip. Something a little firmer would solve the grip issue for me, am maybe a little more weight would help it stay straight even on those 65 footers.

I am serious. I think this is a good idea.



RH-1,
I'm interested if you've tried to incorporate the Whitler into your golf game any further.
Because the design and feel of the Whitler is a little unorthodoxed I've noticed that players are a little reluctant to throw this disc during serious golf, yet they are pleased by the control and results they get from playing pass. Obviously I'm not one of those players, but I have found that the grip is too much for me when the disc is brand new and I end up rubbing it in the dirt to wear off the tackiness. As for the soft feel of the plastic, I strongly suggest a lighter grip than you typically use with other discs <font color="blue"> </font> . If you can get used to the Whitler in this plastic you'll notice it staying in the chains more than any disc currently on the market (i.e. tremble tech.). For years I threw skystreaks, and we prototyped a hard, heavier Whitler before the production release, so I had my own reservations about the stiffness of the 1st run Whitler. The more I started running chains with that plastic though, the more I was convinced (as were the other testers of the disc) that this was the way it should be... This is not to say we wont be doing other things with the mold in the future though.
Snap team player Mike Mcmillan and his Whitler took 15th at Am. worlds this year and he had only been throwing it for a few weeks. Play lots of pass with it and then use it on the course. The birdies I met downtown tell me you wont regret it /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.
I'd like to hear more about experiences with the Whitler now that it is available on the market for the most part.

Again, I think that old school Frisbee throwers will be immediately "at home" with this disc, and people that were never Frisbee throwers and who were weaned on disc golf discs will have to learn how to throw the Snapdisc Whitler properly. Eleven years ago, I myself was someone who learned the sport on golf discs, and when I later was exposed to old-school technology, I initially had much difficulty throwing these lid-type discs. Too much arm speed will easily overpower it.

For real...If you guys made a stiffer Whitler it would make it to my bag. Because I like the current Whitler, and it is deadly accurate in the backyard, but when it goes out to the course with me it is just too crazy. Flips too easy (on a putt) and it is difficult to get a consistent grip. Something a little firmer would solve the grip issue for me, am maybe a little more weight would help it stay straight even on those 65 footers.

I am serious. I think this is a good idea.



RH-1,
I'm interested if you've tried to incorporate the Whitler into your golf game any further.
Because the design and feel of the Whitler is a little unorthodoxed I've noticed that players are a little reluctant to throw this disc during serious golf, yet they are pleased by the control and results they get from playing pass. Obviously I'm not one of those players, but I have found that the grip is too much for me when the disc is brand new and I end up rubbing it in the dirt to wear off the tackiness. As for the soft feel of the plastic, I strongly suggest a lighter grip than you typically use with other discs <font color="blue"> </font> . If you can get used to the Whitler in this plastic you'll notice it staying in the chains more than any disc currently on the market (i.e. tremble tech.). For years I threw skystreaks, and we prototyped a hard, heavier Whitler before the production release, so I had my own reservations about the stiffness of the 1st run Whitler. The more I started running chains with that plastic though, the more I was convinced (as were the other testers of the disc) that this was the way it should be... This is not to say we wont be doing other things with the mold in the future though.
Snap team player Mike Mcmillan and his Whitler took 15th at Am. worlds this year and he had only been throwing it for a few weeks. Play lots of pass with it and then use it on the course. The birdies I met downtown tell me you wont regret it /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.
I'd like to hear more about experiences with the Whitler now that it is available on the market for the most part.



I will try and play more catch with it to try and get a beter feel.

Like I say this disc has real flashes of greatness, but for me I can't get consistent control with it. I am fanning my grip out as much as I can under the disc, and trying to keep it straight. But I seem to flip it to the right (I'm right handed) probably 7 out of 10 times.

I really think I could control it better if it were firmer, maybe the weight would help, but I think the disc is too soft for a consistent release....or maybe I am just not built for these old school remakes. :(

Got any of those first runs left?

Again, I think that old school Frisbee throwers will be immediately "at home" with this disc, and people that were never Frisbee throwers and who were weaned on disc golf discs will have to learn how to throw the Snapdisc Whitler properly. Eleven years ago, I myself was someone who learned the sport on golf discs, and when I later was exposed to old-school technology, I initially had much difficulty throwing these lid-type discs. Too much arm speed will easily overpower it.



I totally agree. I am of the opinion though, that the best disc golfers are also great "Frisbee" players and developing touch with a disc such as the Whitler will greatly improve ones golf game- especially from off the greens.

Got any of those first runs left?


Na, we sold these for $50 after we first made them, which was a steal in retrospect... Of course we have a couple tucked away in our vault.
I'm sticking to my guns on this though- the first run is better. Three years of product testing proved it!

The Whitler is transitioning into my bag, replacing the Skystreak I have used for a looooooooong time for floater approaches. I think the Whitler has the potential for a bit more float and airbounce than the Skystreak, which I like. I have noticed that if given too much anhyzer it does flip, so the test for me is to find the point where the disc flips and not go that far. It definitely is a disc that likes an airbounce.

Of course, I am an old-time Frisbee player, so using a disc like this comes naturally to me. It definitely is the warm-up disc I use for soft-toss before rounds. It says a lot about the state of disc sports when you get oohs and aahs making between-the-leg catches while you warm up - haven't these people ever seen real freestylers?

I'll tell you what, though - every time I make or hit chains on a floating 50-foot approach shot, someone wants to know "what kind of disc is that?"

I'll tell you what, though - every time I make or hit chains on a floating 50-foot approach shot, someone wants to know "what kind of disc is that?"



Oh, I know the feeling and I normally uses heavy Zephyrs for my 100-200feet throws. The Whitler fits and sticks in the chains easier than the Z�s.

It definitely is a disc that likes an airbounce.

The Whitler has fast become one of the most dangerous discs in the competition's eyes around here. It's the ultimate demoralizer!

Several months ago i sent you guys a dollar for "stickers". i guess i have been stiffed, because where are they? :mad:

mg,
We are not in the habit of doing this. We must have lost you in one shuffle or another. We're also in the process of making new stickers, as we sent out a ton over the past few months. E-mail us your address and we'll send some to you straight away.
info@snapdiscsports.ca

this disc is sheer joy to play catch with. as for long putts -- what technique do you prefer, airbounce? i am still familiarizing myself with this disc but hope to use it in tourneys soon. it seems to have a lot of potential. thanks too for the classic stamp -- i don't really care for the other two stamps...

also, do you expect to release some heavier ones anytime soon?

I find it works best with a little bit of air bounce. I have hit many long putt/approaches that wee low ceiling shots - a lot of low ceiling shots from down on my knees, which helps the air bounce. I also find that a very small amount of anhyzer works well. Hit an 80' approach today.

Matt,
what about your driver? Any news?

The Whitler is transitioning into my bag, replacing the Skystreak I have used for a looooooooong time for floater approaches. I think the Whitler has the potential for a bit more float and airbounce than the Skystreak, which I like. I have noticed that if given too much anhyzer it does flip, so the test for me is to find the point where the disc flips and not go that far. It definitely is a disc that likes an airbounce.

Of course, I am an old-time Frisbee player, so using a disc like this comes naturally to me. It definitely is the warm-up disc I use for soft-toss before rounds. It says a lot about the state of disc sports when you get oohs and aahs making between-the-leg catches while you warm up - haven't these people ever seen real freestylers?

I'll tell you what, though - every time I make or hit chains on a floating 50-foot approach shot, someone wants to know "what kind of disc is that?"



:D

The only news I can provide on the driver is that we have been protoyping for some time now and will have it on the market in '07. We know what we're going for and we'll keep working for it until we get it right (just like the Whitler). We'll keep you posted though. We've also started a forum (http://www.snapdiscsports.com/forum/) through the Snap Website for Snap specific discussion. We'll be posting disc development news there as much as possible.
Word!
-Matt

Monkey driver, I am getting strange vibes here.... ;)

Okay, admittedly I haven't read back through the entire thread, but as a recent discoverer and lover of the Whitler I have a question. Where in your standard Revo Carolina bag does one safely put the big old goober? :p I mean so far it's eaten a Champ Sidewinder and a Star Valk. I'm afraid it's going after my CE Leopard next. ;) :D

The only news I can provide on the driver is that we have been protoyping for some time now and will have it on the market in '07. We know what we're going for and we'll keep working for it until we get it right (just like the Whitler). We'll keep you posted though. We've also started a forum (http://www.snapdiscsports.com/forum/) through the Snap Website for Snap specific discussion. We'll be posting disc development news there as much as possible.
Word!
-Matt



:D

Okay, admittedly I haven't read back through the entire thread, but as a recent discoverer and lover of the Whitler I have a question. Where in your standard Revo Carolina bag does one safely put the big old goober? :p I mean so far it's eaten a Champ Sidewinder and a Star Valk. I'm afraid it's going after my CE Leopard next. ;) :D


I was sticking it down in front of the other discs. Between the discs and your putter pocket. I kinda think it may get warped over time though if you leave it there.

Okay, admittedly I haven't read back through the entire thread, but as a recent discoverer and lover of the Whitler I have a question. Where in your standard Revo Carolina bag does one safely put the big old goober? :p I mean so far it's eaten a Champ Sidewinder and a Star Valk. I'm afraid it's going after my CE Leopard next. ;) :D


I was sticking it down in front of the other discs. Between the discs and your putter pocket. I kinda think it may get warped over time though if you leave it there.


I have a smaller-diameter disc that I carry (Shuttle Puppy) that fits loosely inside the Whittler in my bag. The Whittler then provides a safe cocoon for my favorite disc. If you have a smaller-diameter putt/approach-type disc it should fit loosely inside the Whittler and keep the drivers from mating with the big bubba.

Okay, admittedly I haven't read back through the entire thread, but as a recent discoverer and lover of the Whitler I have a question. Where in your standard Revo Carolina bag does one safely put the big old goober? :p I mean so far it's eaten a Champ Sidewinder and a Star Valk. I'm afraid it's going after my CE Leopard next. ;) :D


I was sticking it down in front of the other discs. Between the discs and your putter pocket. I kinda think it may get warped over time though if you leave it there.


I have a smaller-diameter disc that I carry (Shuttle Puppy) that fits loosely inside the Whittler in my bag. The Whittler then provides a safe cocoon for my favorite disc. If you have a smaller-diameter putt/approach-type disc it should fit loosely inside the Whittler and keep the drivers from mating with the big bubba.



Smallest diameter on my putt/approach side is the Gator which crawls inside the Whitler, bites and hangs on. I'll just settle into the pattern of Sidewinder/Sidewinder nested inside until I see if it takes up permanent residence in the bag. Very cool disc. :cool:

...we're thinking about designing a bag with a Whitler specific pocket. :cool:

Good deal Matt. Really looking forward to flying the driver when it comes out. With the versatility of the Whitler and a SnapDisc driver maybe I can make the "where to put it" question moot and only carry two discs. :D

Good deal Matt. Really looking forward to flying the driver when it comes out. With the versatility of the Whitler and a SnapDisc driver maybe I can make the "where to put it" question moot and only carry two discs. :D



that would be unprecedented!

Well I went out and bought a Whitler today and after work had about an hour of daylight to throw in the backyard.

I almost crapped my pants when my first throw with the Whitler nailed my basket from 90'. Had another go just a tad high but I dig the feel and slow glide.

Yup - it just goes frickin' straight..............to the basket!!!

I know persactly what y'all mean. Got out of the car cold yesterday afternoon, dropped my bag next to the first tee, pulled out the Whitler, turned around toward a practice basket about 80 feet away, just a little gentle glide straight in the mouth with the Whitler. :cool: For those of us that discovered flying discs with lids and freestyle and ultimate it's just a question of closing your eyes and letting muscle memory take over........ schiiing, like throwing to an open hand. :cool::cool:

yo all. long time, no words. we've got a new commercial for the Whitler on our site. I struggled for a while with this and then went with the youtube easy route. enjoy. love the feedback too!
http://snapdiscsports.com/whitler.html

well, what about the helios????

Are there any of these discs that are slightly firmer?

That would be an incredible disc.

It seems like that guy is throwing them faster and more firmly than I am able to throw mine, but I am a new age golfer, I throw maxes on anhyzers to get where I need to go....

well, what about the helios????


we plan to make helios commercially available in '08. Until then they exist in BC alone, and in very ltd. quantities.

Are there any of these discs that are slightly firmer?

That would be an incredible disc.

It seems like that guy is throwing them faster and more firmly than I am able to throw mine, but I am a new age golfer, I throw maxes on anhyzers to get where I need to go....



There were two versions of "firmer" Whitlers. The first was made of a material rivaling CE in durability. They weighed 180+ grams. Almost all of our team members have one and we put another on ebay. There might be a couple freshies tuck away but that's it. The other version is a DX type that was about 175 g's. We ran a couple hundred at most. One of the DX is in the commercial, but the rest are from the regular run. Check out "tremble technology" in the first shot of the sidearm clip!

I'm surprised more people aren't throwing this disc ... it's just amazing. I've been throwing one every time I do my putting practice. It's great for "easing" up my putting throw, and developing more finesse with the putt. I love throwing all my putters from 30-40 ft (making a couple) then using the Whitler to "style" one in from way out. Thanks for the disc!

When the wind's down I'll putt inside the circle with it now. I firmly believe this disc makes you a better short gamer.

Matt,
Everyone down here that has thrown the disc thinks its an awesome flyer, it glides like an old 41 mold from whammo.

We tye dyed all of the white ones you sent and wherever we go people try to buy them from us.


Its been pretty difficult to get anyone to use it for anything but playing catch. Theres an awful lot of broken in wizards in players bags down here for laying up.

We gave a few at the course to players and they really like warming up with them.

hows the driver coming along?

If your polymer guy needs some TPU that will work well in a driver mold at a great price, have him give me a call.
I have access to 2 different kinds of TPU, and much more than you and I can use over the next several years.
It will blend great with the TPE your using now on the higher end stuff.

Also have you ran any of the Killer Glow material in your low end plastic?

I have access to 2 different kinds of TPU, and much more than you and I can use over the next several years.



Don't we all!

Man I have about five different kinds of TPU and they are all SWEET!!! :D

Its been pretty difficult to get anyone to use it for anything but playing catch. Theres an awful lot of broken in wizards in players bags down here for laying up.



That's cool. Playing catch and warming up with them is the start of a natural progression toward working the Whitler into ones golf game. We've definitely seen a lot of this around here.


If your polymer guy needs some TPU that will work well in a driver mold at a great price, have him give me a call.
I have access to 2 different kinds of TPU, and much more than you and I can use over the next several years.
It will blend great with the TPE your using now on the higher end stuff.

Also have you ran any of the Killer Glow material in your low end plastic?



I'll have George call you. We've received lots of demand for running Glo Whitlers and have plans to fill this demand soon. We'll be in touch.

On another note, the Gateway product we've brought up here has been very well received! Hopefully we'll have a ton of beat wizards flying around up here soon, 'cause I just lost a real honey!

Later,
Matt

let me know if you have any use for the TPU polymer.