This new plastic by Millennium called Sirius is Awsome.My Orion Sirius has hit many many trees with little to no damage and is throwing straight and long and with this new plastic I seem to get a better grab which allows me to be able to perdict the flight pattern to a science. Thanks Millennium for make this disc in this awsome plastic. Now I just hope you use this sirius plastic and all your other disc :D

thread (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Equipment&Number=513677&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all)

Although there was another thread previously on the same disc this subject heading is more accurate.

And what a disc the SOLF is! I'm a gnat weight arm normally preferring drivers in the 150 class and certainly below 160g, but the 171g I threw was equalling or exceeding all my lighter drivers for pure distance and was much more predictable besides. I guess it is intended to be a more stable version of the Orion LS and it definitely fills that bill, overstable enough to get long S flights if you like but close enough to stable for really long flat flights with a fade, again even for my light weight arm. John/Shannon when we gonna see the 160ish version? :) :D:cool: Great job guys. I love it.

any comparisons to a z-avenger?

Sorry Steven, only thrown a Z-Avenger a couple of times. To me the SOLF level of stability is near or very slightly greater than a Starfire X with greater speed and glide. Not at all sure about the plastics relation to STAR. Seems just as durable, and a little more comfortable/tacky but the Sirius samples I've thrown had a more matted finish than the STAR that's in my bag and that may have been responsible for the feel. These dudes are the real deal. Gotta run. Late for my PAA meeting. :o

So when and where can we get this SOLF?

Release is sometime in March :D

So when and where can we get this SOLF?



next week

ok where can I buy the Sirius Orion at :D

ok where can I buy the Sirius Orion at :D

Good question. Now that Innova has spun off Millenium it is probably going to be a lot harder for TDs to carry Millenium products. Before a TD could piggy back a few Orions and Omega Super Softs onto an Innova order and get a good volume price on everything. Now, I don't know what the price will be. I can't even find a website.

You can buy them fom a variety of on-line distributors. Click! (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Millenium+discs+Orion+Omega&btnG=Google+Search) But if TDs cannot get them at volume rates, Millenium is going to become a lot like Gateway, Lightning, DGA, Whammo, etc. They had two or three discs my players wanted, but I can only stock stuff I can buy at volume, and three discs each for five guys just is not going to translate into volume.

If there is anyone buying Millenium in volume who would like to barter for small amounts of Innova or Discraft, let's make a deal. Like, if you have an interest in seeing Millenium succeed, and can use ten or twelve Innova discs at a time, that's the kind of volume I was doing with Millenium in a 200 or 250 disc Innova order.

ok where can I buy the Sirius Orion at :D

Good question. Now that Innova has spun off Millenium it is probably going to be a lot harder for TDs to carry Millenium products. Before a TD could piggy back a few Orions and Omega Super Softs onto an Innova order and get a good volume price on everything. Now, I don't know what the price will be. I can't even find a website.

You can buy them fom a variety of on-line distributors. Click! (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Millenium+discs+Orion+Omega&btnG=Google+Search) But if TDs cannot get them at volume rates, Millenium is going to become a lot like Gateway, Lightning, DGA, Whammo, etc. They had two or three discs my players wanted, but I can only stock stuff I can buy at volume, and three discs each for five guys just is not going to translate into volume.

If there is anyone buying Millenium in volume who would like to barter for small amounts of Innova or Discraft, let's make a deal. Like, if you have an interest in seeing Millenium succeed, and can use ten or twelve Innova discs at a time, that's the kind of volume I was doing with Millenium in a 200 or 250 disc Innova order.



You can get them through Circular Productions. John Houck runs the place, and he also owns Millennium.

Send me a pm and I will give you his email address and phone number.

You will be able to get the same deals that you get through Innova.

Another tease. You listening VeganRay? A couple of Sirius Orion F's just landed on my desk............in 150g!!!!! If I get out of the office before dark I'll give a review of this version either tonight or in the morning. :cool:

Don't know about anybody else, but there are 8 of these babies on their way to my front door as we speak. I'll be in disc heaven for awhile now. See you on the course, and watch out here comes my SOLF.

yo Drop Zone...do you work for Millenium?...you seem to have the inside track

Mitch,

You're funny, I would think that Mrs.J would be able to answer that for you. :D:D

Yeah, I know the answer, but I had to throw that in.....or could he be John incognito...inquiring mind might want to know.

yo Drop Zone...do you work for Millenium?...you seem to have the inside track



Nope, just talked to John a few times

Yo Drop Zone.....
Where can I find information on the tournament you are running this weekend?

Only got a minute and didn't have much more than that to get a few throws in with the 150g SOLF. Not perfect conditions - swirling winds on a soccer field 10-15mph - but was pleased with it. For comparison was throwing vs 150 DX Wraith, 150 STAR Teebird and 171 SOLF. Was consistently throwing as long or longer than the Wraith with the 171 SOLF, as I was with the 150 SOLF. As is typical with 150 class stuff hitting that angle on release smoothly was the key. Still and all for me the 171 SOLF is just amazing both in Distance and in consistency. More when I'm able to do a field test in better conditions. :D

Yo Drop Zone.....
Where can I find information on the tournament you are running this weekend?



The date and name of the tournament is being changed. There were some problems with the date conflicting with other tournaments. The name that I had for it was also a sore spot with some. I had discs stamped with the tournament logo, so I'm having to get those re-made as well

I will have the info on the tournament page when everything is finalized.

I also have Kicker Audio on board for a great hole in one prize.

UPS has delivered. A variety of colors were waiting for me to get home, just begging me to open the box and set them free. What a great weekend this will be. :) :)

just back from my first round with the S-OF...wow and wow...took 4 strokes off my best round ever at Circle R...forehand and backhand very nice control and fast...I even missed a few putts...bravo John this driver is da bomb dude... :D

what is the rim width. valk/firebird/sidewinder, beast/orc/starfire, or wraith?

I would say that the rim width is closer to the ORC, and not near as wide as the starfire and wraith. I know that it fits real good in my hand and I think that is why the distance is there for me, I can still feel that snap better with it than the others. The wraith is more of a long utility, get ot of trouble disc for me and I really only carry the Wraith on very windy conditions. Has the "D" I need but not the control of the SOLF. Didn't think about asking you about a trade for one, oh well, you should be able to get them soon. MO went in the mail yesterday morning.

It would be nice if they released the G-4 (Orion in Pro or Champion plastic) so that you could purchase it, the G-4's that I have threw have been max weight and threw very well.

Patience young grasshopper, patience

ok Old Goat :D

Old Goat, I'll Old Goat you and raise you two lambs and you still couldn't...

Man the Sirius Orion is just plain AWSOME, thanks Millenium because of your insight about this disc my partner and I are now ADVANCE GRAND MASTER TEXAS STATE DOUBLES CHAMPS :D

Congrats CC. How in the world did you find enough GM's for a team? :D

(It's perfectly legal for me to ask that question. I'm one. :cool:)

The course is next to a retirment home :D

:D:D:D

Is the disc released for use now ?

Mine was in the trunk of the car all weekend because I was told we couldn't use them in competition yet. It sure would have come in handy with the wind we had in Tulsa.

I read where the PDGA has approved them already :D

The disc is PDGA approved.

The Orion LF is approved. We asked the few people who had them not to throw them in tournaments, since no one else had access to them.

But we are now lifting that voluntary ban. Gary, you can have at it.

The Sirius Orion LF will be available at Pro Doubles this weekend, and they should be hitting stores by April 1st.

John that Sirius plastic is second to none :D

Does any one know if Millenium will offer the Sirius plastic on their other disc :D

Thanks John.

This disc ROCKS!!!!!
The plastic has an excellent grip.
It's undeniably the fasted Millennium disc yet.
What about stability, you say?
I say�if I can throw a 150g SOLF into a 30mph head wind and make it �S� 300ft down the middle of the fairway, imagine what you big arms could do with a heavy one!
I actually watched Ian Hovey huk, for the 1st time ever, a 164g SOLF about 550ft up hill, into the wind, out at the Snow Farm two weekends ago. WOW!

Words along can not do justice to this disc. You must throw it and just watch it sail away :DSirus plastic is the BOMB

Can they actually be purchased anywhere yet?

Can they actually be purchased anywhere yet?


They should be out to the general public. They were part of the players package this past weekend @ Pro World Dubs.

I saw some Boomers this weekend. :eek:, Talk to the Giggler as to what he thinks :cool::cool:

All time personal CTP #9 Ramcat Saturday afternoon with 150g SOLF. Thirty feet from pin high, but left of line by 30 feet as well. Missed the putt out of the laurel hell, but the SOLF had me in position to at least have a putt. Still April 1st general release???

John,
which disc will be the next to be released in Sirius plastic ?

John, your killin' us man. Isn't it April 1st somewhere? ;)

http://www.golfdisc.com/#
looking like the orion ls and omega are the next to be in sirius

http://www.golfdisc.com/#
looking like the orion ls and omega are the next to be in sirius



Where do you find that info on the site?

Put your mouse over s plasitc and you will se that Orion LS, LF and omega gets highlighted

Thanx "neighbour" ;)

I got a SOLF today from drop_zone (thanks a bunch) and it is fricking awesome!!! I'm not sure what i can really compare its flight to (really windy(20+ mph) so i couldnt get a real comparison). It holds its line awesome and doesn't have that much fade. It was great into headwind to, if i hadn't clipped a tree i probably would've thrown close to 380' (good for me) into a headwind. the plastic feels great too!!!!! nice and grippy but feels like it could take a descent beating.
I think its going to replace my starfire.

LOVIN my orion LF, y'all should check'em out! can't wait for the omega run of this.

me neither maybe then you'll take that dirty first run Q-mega outta the bag. Btw I saw that in the picture at the front of skylands.com very dissapointed ms demark. Yea team freedom! Philly's gonna be sweet this weekend.

In case there are others out there as slow on the uptake as I, SOLF's are now available through Millennium directly as well as various online sources. A very, very good mold boys and girls. As long as anything out there and way, way more predictable than any other ultra-long range driver.

Seeing as tomorrow is the last day of april, are the SOLF's to be released tomorrow?

Still loving the ones i have now, Sirius plastic is definitly better in grip and durability to star and esp imo.

They are available at Disc 'n Dat (http://www.discndatonline.com) now with either the Millennium Discs stamp or the new SOLF stamp.

My SO-LF seems very stable - as in very straight-flying. I like the flight but was expecting a more overstable version of the LS... Has anyone else had this observation?

I could agree with that to an extent. After a couple of months experience with them I would describe them as T-bird like for most of their flight but much longer and slightly more overstable and more resistant to high speed turnover. By far the most consistent ultralong driver I've thrown. Sure hope they can work the bugs out for a Sirius molding of the Orion LS so we can have the turnover/hyzer flip version in our bags too. Now that would be :cool:! Or I could just keep beating the snot out of this SOLF and maybe eventually it'll turn into a SOLS. With the durability of Sirius plastic that could take a while though. :D

Sure hope they can work the bugs out for a Sirius molding of the Orion LS so we can have the turnover/hyzer flip version in our bags too.



What do you mean???? I have about 8 Serius LS's and they are great. They will "S" or flip for me, not as much as the original LS, but whatever line I put them on, they will stay on it. If I want it to "S" for me then I just give it a little more height. I love them.

My original LS is my roller or long anny disc now.

Paul you have a PM.

My SO-LF seems very stable - as in very straight-flying. I like the flight but was expecting a more overstable version of the LS... Has anyone else had this observation?



I agree, LF and LS are close to each other, very similar flight-path.
Great that Millenium got the mold and run number back, 1.1.

Anyone know if the LF is going to be made in any other plastic?

Anyone know if the LF is going to be made in any other plastic?



Yep, I have an Orion LF in Q from Am Worlds. Very sweet disc and I am foaming for them to come out in regular production!

BTW - for me the LS and LF are fairly different. Each is very long, but the LS is stable whereas the LF is, well, overstable. That aside, these discs fly as long as the Wraith and the other long discs out there. But, they fit in the hand much better and hence give greater control, that is, fewer miss-throws due to trying to wrap your hand around a 23 mm wide wing. The LF is my go to wind driver now, it has the right combination of stability and distance to give me long into the wind drives.

I, personally don't like the Sirus plastic (I'm a perfection freak) and am sad that the LS won't be out in Q. Despite that, I have it in my bag, it's just too good of a disc to ignore.

'afternoon my Tejas brethren. Great to hear there'll be a QOLF. Gotta agree with you on lamenting no QOLS. Love the Orion LS but the courses I play the most are all heavily wooded making durability/consistency a real issue in the regular plastic.

Just curious, what don't you like about the Sirius plastic? My white first run SOLF's are all totally discolored from so much oak tree contact but flight is all but unchanged and cuts are non-existent. They are now my #1 go to driver. Love'em!!

I may just be unlucky but they seem very weak on notches. I clipped a tree at about 300 feet and my brand new SOLF took a peel. Also, the grip isn't right for me. I can get a better grip on Champion. Conversely, their "DX" plastic is very resiliant and very grippy. What can I say.

Let me add that these things are subjective. Also, plastic aside, there is no doubt in my mind that these are the two best flying discs on the market right now. I love the LS flight and it is consistently long and I never wank it.

Let me add that these things are subjective. Also, plastic aside, there is no doubt in my mind that these are the two best flying discs on the market right now. I love the LS flight and it is consistently long and I never wank it.



Absolutely, the best two discs "no one ever threw". Doing my best to spread the word though. If you make it to Rock Hill bring me a stack of them. 150g, any color.:D:cool:

I may just be unlucky but they seem very weak on notches. I clipped a tree at about 300 feet and my brand new SOLF took a peel. Also, the grip isn't right for me. I can get a better grip on Champion. ...



Have you tried the QOLF?

I may just be unlucky but they seem very weak on notches. I clipped a tree at about 300 feet and my brand new SOLF took a peel. Also, the grip isn't right for me. I can get a better grip on Champion. ...



Have you tried the QOLF?



Is it out yet?
Is there any difference in stability?

I'm told that they S back more consistently by Duke. I get to try one this weekend for myself and will let you know. :cool:

whats the high speed stability of the QOLF compared to the SOLF?

I've throw it a dozen times or so, and don't throw an S pattern with it. The Q seemed to have more high speed stability (no turn - harder to turn over into a moderate wind) and a more reliable and pronounced low speed turn than the S plastic. Where I have to be just a little careful with the S plastic into a head wind, I found that Q plastic could handle my little arm without going to the right. All of my throws were less than 20' off the ground with hyzer release. BOth the S and Q pop up flat and go a long way, but the S will sometimes slide to the right at high speed, The Q didn't.

But I can only throw past 400' on a very good day. People with a rocket for an arm or max out short of 375' will probably have different results. It is a very good disc at max weight for my arm.

Good to hear that there's pre-buzz about the domestic release of the Q-OLF. They were a huge hit at the Japan Open, and we did have a few at Am Worlds. Reviews have been very favorable, and we should have stock versions -- with a First Run stamp -- ready to ship by the end of September.

Right now we're shipping First Run Sirius Orion LS's, and it looks like they're going to be a big hit, too.

I've throw it a dozen times or so, and don't throw an S pattern with it. The Q seemed to have more high speed stability (no turn - harder to turn over into a moderate wind) and a more reliable and pronounced low speed turn than the S plastic. Where I have to be just a little careful with the S plastic into a head wind, I found that Q plastic could handle my little arm without going to the right. All of my throws were less than 20' off the ground with hyzer release. BOth the S and Q pop up flat and go a long way, but the S will sometimes slide to the right at high speed, The Q didn't.

But I can only throw past 400' on a very good day. People with a rocket for an arm or max out short of 375' will probably have different results. It is a very good disc at max weight for my arm.



I picked up a max weight SOLF today and was surprised that it was a bit understable at high speed. I expected it to take a flat release, but I had to give it a little hyzer to keep it from flipping. To compare its stability to another driver, it flies a lot like an original mold Beast. I will throw it some more tomorrow and see what else it can do. I throw 400' fairly easily, so it would probably fly more stable for someone with a little less power.

how does Q plastic break in compared to S?

[qualifier on]Let me begin by saying I'm always leary of making disc comparisons, disc flight is both subjective, and technique dependent.[qualifier off]

While I'm not particularly fond of the Sirus plastic, I will be playing it for the forseeable future. The SOLF for me is one of the sweetest distance discs on the market. It is, in my hands, the perfect combination of stability and distance. It stands up to a moderate wind really well and comes back every time. It is incredibly long and feels great in my hand (shape-wise).

The QOLF is not as sweet, I've been playing mine for two weeks now, I've bounced it off a couple of side-walks and it has no marks on it. It is just a tad bit more stable and that makes for less distance. On the other hand, I'm starting to use it on moderate to heavy wind days and it is the longest disc in my bag under those conditions. Also, on a light throw with good snap it follows a very clean hyzer route.

Soooo, get the SirusOLF, it's going to be a very good disc for you, but have a QOLF for tree work and wind. (I will say that Sirus doesn't taco and keeps it shape after major impacts, it just shreds on hard surfaces. Those shreds do not appear to greatly impact flight characteristics, but they bug me [personal taste] i.e. the plastic is good and reliable in my hands).

While I use the OLF more than I use the OLS, the OLS is a better disc! It is consistently long. The problem is that in my hands, the disc flies best with a very weak head wind. With no wind, it just doesn't stand up quite right. Even still, under those conditions, its still the longest disc in my bag and a player with slightly more pull will really love this disc. But if there is a weak head wind, the disc is just stable enough not to turn over and it runs really long for me. The new course here in Houston has a >700 foot hole. I've parred it twice now with the LS; long and acurate.

Millenium has done what the big guys are always trying to do, or always say they've done, they've taken a pretty big jump in technology. Hope it pays off.

does the lf have a wider rim than the ls?

I just purchased a Sirius Orion LF.

You can throw it with high speed turned over with a bit of nose up and it will come back. Super Fast and I would say kinda stable and overstable at low speed.

I'm throwing a 174 gram , Dark Blue if that makes any difference.

Nice Grippy Plastic.

does the lf have a wider rim than the ls?



exactly the same, almost everything is.
http://www.pdga.com/documents/tech_standards/PDGA_approved_discs_and_targets.pdf

Right now we're shipping First Run Sirius Orion LS's, and it looks like they're going to be a big hit, too.



I put one of your First run SOLS in my bag last week. I don't throw long...325 to 350 on a great day. This is the straightest driver in my bag. To the point of calling it "point and shoot". Thrown flat (RHBH) at less than 12' off the ground. At high speed it does not break right nearly as much as my Star Sidewinder. As it slows down, it does not break left much at all. If I throw it over the goal post, the hyzer reminds me of my Champ Sidewinder (again not much).

I have not thrown the MF or MS, but I would be very tempted to put and SMF and or and SMS in my bag.

The much-anticipated Quantum Orion Long Fade is on its way. We'll have them to ship by next week (September 20th).

Next up will be the Sirius Orion JLS in early October...

orion jls or sirius jls, stability on the Qolf? More or less overstable than the current solfs, or the same. What does the J in Jls stand for, and why was the omega driver discontinued?

what is an orion jls?

Hey Will,
Hows the game?
Have you completed switched to the dark side?

Good, almost won a c-tier this past weekend, however original mach 1s wreaked havoc on me the second round, birdied 7 in a row the 1st round to finish it. Dont get to many chances to ask john houck every question about millennium.

I see you avoided my question, so I'm guessing the answer is yes.

I still have wizards in the bag. And an E illusion.

what is an orion jls?



I didn't think the JLS had a name, but there are plenty out there to choose from. Call it what you will, but a Sirius JLS has my attention.

Oops. Sorry about that.

We are soon to release the Sirius JLS.

There is, of course, no such thing as an Orion JLS.

The Omega Driver lives on -- it's now called the Omega AP. It's made with the same great material as our Millennium drivers and midrange drivers. It's a very sweet disc. Hard to say which is better now: the AP or the Sirius Omega.

You missed one. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

What does the J in Jls stand for?

Sorry, I just now saw you're post, the rims seem the same. One of the reasons I like these discs is they perform like the wide rim discs being put out by Innova and DC, but they have a narrower rim that is easier to grip.

It's funny how things go, my first driver was a JLS and I used the QJLS some but by the time it came out I had moved to Champion and Z and other discs. For kicks I pulled out a QJLS this week and have been throwing it and was surprised at how overstable it flies for me. My throw has changed significantly in the past two years so it doesn't surprise me that the disc flies differently, but I did not expect it to be significantly more stable than the Orion LS in my hands.

I still haven't tried the Sirus LS but should be picking one up soon.

do the ls and lf have a shallow rim like the talon, or an average depth rim, similar to most of the long drivers?

do the ls and lf have a shallow rim like the talon, or an average depth rim, similar to most of the long drivers?



Talon is a good comparison because these discs are quite flat and the inner rim wall is shallower than most discs. The SOLF really feels flat, where the SOLS has the L type bottom and feels beefier in the hand. The Wildcat would be a good comparison as well, and they are definetely not as shallow as a Flick.

John, when if ever are you going to make a disc that has a similar flight as a T-Bird? In my opinion Millennium has a void in its line of discs. There are stable discs and understable discs and now with the SOLF a fast long distance disc but there is not a slower straight to slightly stable disc that players with a lot of power can throw reliably. Players who throw with less power can probably use their QJLS but they are too understable when thrown hard. If you had something that could take the place of my T-Bird I would throw all Millennium. I don't know if you have plans of making such a disc but in my opinion it would make the Millennium line complete.
p.s. I would be happy to test this new disc if you ever decide to make it :)

do the ls and lf have a shallow rim like the talon, or an average depth rim, similar to most of the long drivers?



Talon is a good comparison because these discs are quite flat and the inner rim wall is shallower than most discs. The SOLF really feels flat, where the SOLS has the L type bottom and feels beefier in the hand. The Wildcat would be a good comparison as well, and they are definetely not as shallow as a Flick.


I'm 'guessing' it's not as shallow as a Talon...as only a Typhoon comes to mind...remember those? I regretfully lost my only SOLF a coupla/few months ago...and all this talk has me wanting to go get some replacements!

Not quite Talon, more like a Wildcat.

I always thought the LF felt and flew like a special blend orc.

What does the J in Jls stand for?



"John Long Straight" ;)

What does the J in Jls stand for?



"John Long Straight" ;)



Did you not read the early stamped JLS :D

I always thought the LF felt and flew like a special blend orc.



I've never thrown a splecial blend Orc, but my SOLF does not behave like my Champion Orc.
TO ME....(not a big gun)
Champion Orc is most effective thrown as an "S" shot with some elevation and some anny. The flip is sudden and the back end can be severe.
SOLF is most effective thrown as an "S", but without the elevation and without most of the anny (just a touch). The flip is slow and the back end reminds me a Star Valk (very slow).
Best of all (for me) is that I can (almost) aim the SOLF at the point where I want it to land.
It flies better than I throw :D

But John, I've bought the disc....how 'bout the tshirts :cool:

I tested the SJLS this morning...a true classic brought up to speed by the Sirius plastic! I normally carry 3-4 standard JLS's in my bag, but I'll have to make room for this one. If you haven't tried the new Sirius plastic, you should. The grip is awesome.
JLS's have a 'normal' size rim, so these should maintain their flight pattern for a lonnggg time (yes, I smacked a tree this morning from about 50 feet away & couldn't even tell).

Oh....and the 'J' stands for Jail...I'll let someone else tell the story.
:D

disclaimer: This is a test of the emergency discast system...This is only a test...The Sirius JLS should be available to everyone in about 2 weeks. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Where can the Quantum Orion LF's be found? Any chance of a Sirius Sentinel MF sometime soon?

Alan, the Q-OLF's are making their way to fine disc dealers everywhere. If your favorite dealer doesn't have them, bug them until they order, or let us know and we'll call them.

Sirius JLS's should be shipping very soon.

We have no plans for a Sirius Sentinel MF at this point, but we'll see...

John,
I've been throwing an SOLF for several months. I recently purchased a QJLS for the sole purpose of throwing a Q driver. How will the QOLF differ from either of these discs?

Also. To me, most of the Millenium line tends to NOT have a lot of left-to-right (RHBH) on the front end (high speed). I like that personally and that makes the SOLS a valuable disc. But how does a dedicated Millenium player deal with anny's...especially if you can't throw at full (normal) power.

Thanks.

Please release the Aurora MS in Sirius plastic!

I got a SOF, is that the same as an LF or are they two different discs, anyone know?

Personally for me, I use the SOLS as my Anhyzer disc, and the LF as my everything else disc.
I think the LS does a fine job as a Anhy disc.

Please release the Aurora MS in Sirius plastic!



It will be released soon according to their website:
http://www.golfdisc.com/
Look at "Great new discs for 2006", lower row, the disc in middle! Looks promising :D

Personally for me, I use the SOLS as my Anhyzer disc, and the LF as my everything else disc.
I think the LS does a fine job as a Anhy disc.



That's where I want to go. But my SOLS straigtens back out...not fades left....just goes straight.
I think what I might try is buy the OLS (M plastic) and then let some six year old throw rollers for a few days. :D

I haven't tried the Siruis Orion LS but the Orion LS in the regular Millenium plastic does hold an anhyzer line. You should definitely give it a try if you like the feel of the disc.

How about OLS vs Sidewinder vs JLS? Flight differences?

I think the sidewinder has more fade then the OLS, especially when new.

The sidewinder does fade more, but not in a good way, the OLS has a higher resistance to turn, so it wont flip more than you want it to.

What's the flight difference between the QJLS and the Sirius JLS?

What's the flight difference between the QJLS and the Sirius JLS?




I have been throwing a test SJLS for about a week now and have found it to be straighter than the QJLS. I have found that it is more resistant to high speed turn(over) that the QJLS (1.1) and CEJLS. It has just about the same low speed fade as the others which to me is very minimal. I have also noted that I am throwing it further with my noodle arm than the QJLS. I parked a 375 foot hole the other day and I started the disc down the right side of the fairway and it ended up center of the fairway about 8-10 feet behind the basket.

I have also found that the QOLF if less stable than the SOLF against the wind. My SOLF (168) will come back to center after turning against the wind, but my QOLF (168) does not come back nearly as much. I thought the first time it did this that it was my throwing motion, but it has done it several time now into a slight head wind.

My observations, hope it helps.

By the way, I am loveing all of these new discs and cannot wait to see a SMS.

As for as anny's, use a beat QJLS (1.1) or a MILLENNIUM Plastic ORion LS.

What's the flight difference between the QJLS and the Sirius JLS?




I have been throwing a test SJLS for about a week now and have found it to be straighter than the QJLS. I have found that it is more resistant to high speed turn(over) that the QJLS (1.1) and CEJLS. It has just about the same low speed fade as the others which to me is very minimal. I have also noted that I am throwing it further with my noodle arm than the QJLS. I parked a 375 foot hole the other day and I started the disc down the right side of the fairway and it ended up center of the fairway about 8-10 feet behind the basket.

I have also found that the QOLF if less stable than the SOLF against the wind. My SOLF (168) will come back to center after turning against the wind, but my QOLF (168) does not come back nearly as much. I thought the first time it did this that it was my throwing motion, but it has done it several time now into a slight head wind.

My observations, hope it helps.

By the way, I am loveing all of these new discs and cannot wait to see a SMS.

As for as anny's, use a beat QJLS (1.1) or a MILLENNIUM Plastic ORion LS.

I got a SOF, is that the same as an LF or are they two different discs, anyone know?



My disc came penned as SOLF, but an LF should be the Orion Long Fade in the original Millenium plastic. I guess it could be a Polaris Long Fade in Millenium plastic. The Orions might be the same mold, but they are different discs.

How about OLS vs Sidewinder vs JLS? Flight differences?



From where I throw (RHBH throwing level and trying to get a littler higher than the soccer goal).

The Star SW has jumps fast to the right, but will come back late in the flight. That makes more of an S shot for me.
The Champion SW does not jump to the right as much or as fast, but will not come back as much either. Most of the time, that makes this an anny shot.
The SOLS does not jump to the right as much as the Champ SW, but will eventually come back a little. That combination makes it the straighest flight path to me.
The SOLF would not (for me) jump to the right, but would follow a straight path and then hyzer out on the back end.

Your results may vary :D

Well I got it a AM World Doubles and it was when they first came out could it be they change what they put on the bottom?

It's the same Sirius Orion LF. The ones I have say SOF on the bottom.

I am excited about the Sirius JLS. I'm glad to hear they are stable to start out. I'll bet a beat Sirius JLS will be an awesome tight controlled anhyser disc.

Can anyone tell me if the regular Orion LS has significantly more glide than the Sirius plastic? I know that a Pro Starfire has way more glide than a Star SL and I was wondering if the Orion is similar in this respect.

it gets more glide, but turns alot easier, if you want the disc for an anny disc the midgrade plastic is probably your better choice, if you want it for straight shots, Sirus is probably best choice

what is more overstable, the lf in Q or the lf in sirius? thx

I'll stick with my Sirius OLS. It is broken in now and quite understable. It is great for low and high turnovers and hyzer fliip tunnel shots. It is a very long disc and still comes back at the end after turning. It is not beat enough to roll yet, but I expect it to be a good roller being fast and flat. It is a very useful disc all around, described well as a long fairway driver. It gets great glide for a flat disc.

Haven't thrown a QOLF yet, but man I just get happier and happier with the SOLF. Still a long way from a turnover disc for me, but I would still describe it a an ultra fast TeeBird with glide to spare. About the only time the TeeBird comes out now is when the SOLF is just too long and a Champ Cobra isn't long enough. :cool:

The Q resists high speed turn better.

I have thrown both the Sirus OLF and the Q OLF quite a bit. Gary is correct by my measure. The Q version is just a tad bit more stable than the Sirus but for me both are long and stable with a fade at the end.

John,

Big thanks for the sirius plastic and for the SOLF!
Absolutely fantastic disc!


Any idea when we might see an SMS?
I just might have to buy a stack of 'em.
:D

if anyone has any used or new QMS's they might want to trade (176-180g) PM me and let me know what you might be interested in

if you have any of the ones i traded away a year ago i will trade back for them if you don't like them :p

How would y'all compare QOLFs/SOLFs with Champ/Star Orcs...?

About the same length, lower and quieter in flight.

Meaning, they will cover the same distance with less loft and side to side travel.

I would say they are about the same speed, with the SOLF ending up a tad longer. The SOLF has much more resistance to turn, but a little less fade, resulting in a straighter flight. As Gary said, it can be thrown on a much lower line as well.

...and the SOLF is noticeably less sensitive to nose up/down at release, making it more consistent. In other words the SOLF ran ORCS of all flavors out of my bag.

...and the SOLF is noticeably less sensitive to nose up/down at release, making it more consistent. In other words the SOLF ran ORCS of all flavors out of my bag.



This is what I have experienced as well. The SOLF is also less speed sensitive and flies better than the ORC at low speeds. It will flip up from slight hyzer, but holds all hyzer and anhyzer angles of release. Great forehand disc as well. The more I throw this disc the more I like it. I still prefer the Surge for wide open D, but if I can reach it with the SOLF, I'd rather throw it.

How would y'all compare QOLFs/SOLFs with Champ/Star Orcs...?


I can't compare the Q/SOLF with the Orcs because I never could figure the thing out. I tried (on several occasions) to learn the Orc, but my lack of snap or distance or ???? made the thing just too hard to throw. The SOLF gets me the distance I want without a lot of right and left action. At this point, I'm starting to throw the SOLF up and down hill. The QOLF has a little more left (RHBH). But it still gets plenty of work as there are lots of windy holes.

I really like the SOLF and the QOLF,the Q is a little more stable at first but breaks in to be somewhat like a CFR startfire or champion starfire;the SOLF is more like a mix between a wraith and a teerex.IMO

Solf trumps both teerex and wraith in stability, and I think it handles wind better.

Playing for my first time at a lower elevation than the frontrange (denver) this weekend I picked up a QOLF I admit I did flip it once or twice, but I was flipping everything alittle at first. Once I got more used to the elevation it was my go to distance driver thanks to the added touch in stability of the sirius, not to mention me losing my 174 SOLF the day before the tourney, fogetting to bring the extra I bought... leaving me w/ a broken in 163 SOLF. The Q I picked up the morning of was aswome.
Big long story short. I like the the Orion in all flavors. (my broken in OLS made a great roller getting me one of my few birdies, and my newer OLS was a great slow turning anny disc)

The SOLF and SOLS are the best golf drivers I have ever thrown. The Wraith and Teerex are toys for showoffs, almost completely impractical during golf competition, imo. They have huge distance potential, but are so unforgiving in terms of throwing velocity and their flight lines are so touchy. If you flip either one of them too much, they go so fast that they can turn almost 90 degrees on you. Also, at least in Star plastic they are not very durable, as their wide rims maginify the effect of every hit on the disc's stability. Even though its leading edge is so thin and sharp, the SOLF takes a hard hit much better than a Wraith or Teerex. I could understand the usefullness of these discs on wide open 450' holes, but there aren't too many of those on the courses I play.
The bottom line is grip. When I throw my SOLF there is a audible snap and I feel a very powerful release. When I throw a Star Wraith/Teerex there is no sound and I don't feel the snap. I can throw 450-500' on a good day, so its not as if they are too much disc for me.
I bought a QOLF last weekend and took it out before the tourney to warm up and try out. I threw it on a 360' hyzer all the way shot with water on the right. First I threw both my SOLFs and they glided out a little too long, but held the slight hyzer line all the way. I figured the QOLF would be about the same stability or maybe a tad bit more overstable, but I put a little more hyzer on it to get a tighter left turn line. To my surprise the QOLF stood up, flipped over and glided out into the middle of gator territory. So...that orange, max weight QOLF was more flippy than the yellow and red max weight SOLFs I have. Strangely enough, the first SOLF I bought was orange and really flippy compared the ones I have now as well. I don't think I will try another QOLF, the grip just felt like crap compared to the Sirius plastic.

the SOLF takes a hard hit much better than a Wraith or Teerex



I think this has more to do with the notch the SOLF has in the wing. The notch keeps the disc stable even w/ wear. Similar to how X preds and Teebirds stay stable for so long. The wraith, teerex and from what I hear even the max, dosnt have any rim stablizer (notch/bead) so they break in less predictably and faster.

The notch definely helps, and the narrower wing has a lot to do with it as well. By the way, the MAX does have the notch and is a very sweet disc. It felt much flatter in the hand than the Wraith or Teerex, and was pretty much a wider rimmed replica of the Firebird. Think Firebird top with a Starfire X bottom. It was very easy to grip and will be going in my bag as soon as the standard production version comes out. Oh, and the plastic was like the grippy, softer Star Teebird/Firebird plastic rather than the harder, stiffer Teerex/newer Wraith star plastic.

if it does have a notch, then I can understand it being a sweet disc, thats my problem w/ the teerex, and the common runs of the Monster (that and the wide rim is not too comfortable for me). I have no reason to try anything because I love preds to much though

anyone know where to get 150 SOLF's in any color but white? thx

White was the only color that the SOLF's were made in in that weight range..150-159. Some of the lower 160's came in colors but not many. It wasn't until you got into the mid 160's that there were some blue, orange, red and yellow's.

We did send some of lighter weights to J-Bird to be dyed, but I am not sure if there is any of those left. You can check the MILLENNIUM (http://www.golfdisc.com) web site and check the current inventory to see if there are any tye-dyed and if there are have your local retailer request some for you.

How would y'all compare QOLFs/SOLFs with Champ/Star Orcs...?


Thanks for the replies!

Same general question...but compare QOLFs/SOLFs with Champion/Star Starfires (...not Pro Starfires)...?

BTW, are there flight differences b/tw Champion and Star Starfires? (I've not thrown the latter...)

the hype got to me and i just got some of these. i am sure they will afford me more control than my wraiths for long shots. BUT..I do not see how these could be as long as orcs, starfires, or wraiths especially. the profile looks much slower. i will find out soon. for you guys who claim these are as long as the faster discs, what do you attribute that to?

I base it on having thrown both on a football field side by side multiple times. Not only are they just as long, but they are just as long on much easier to control lines.

Now that is for someone that tops out around 400'. I'm not sure how the orions will react to players that can get 500'+ out of the faster discs.

I have a 2006 World's Biggest Tye Dye Millenium Disc that says SOF on the bottom. What disc is this?

Thanks

It is a Sirius Orion LF.

Cool, thanks! It it a great disc.

the hype got to me and i just got some of these. i am sure they will afford me more control than my wraiths for long shots. BUT..I do not see how these could be as long as orcs, starfires, or wraiths especially. the profile looks much slower. i will find out soon. for you guys who claim these are as long as the faster discs, what do you attribute that to?



They will not fly as long on a flat line as an Orc for me. I throw 400' with half the discs in my bag, and can get out past 450' on a good day with an Orc for a power reference. The SOLF will however get 430', and can do so on hyzer, flat, and anhyzer lines. My Orc will not fly well on a hyzer angle the whole way, the SOLF will. I could play a whole round with the SOLF as my only driver and execute any line with it. The ORC is longer, but is not as versatile. Throw them and you will see.

just had about 75 throws with some sols's, solf's, and dx wraiths. all new, comparable weights, multiple wind directions. big flat marked field. The sols and solf were very similar to each other, with the solf a hair faster and more stable. dx wraith had about the same turn as the sols. solf had a little less than those. dx wraith had a harder fade than either, the sols the least. the sols was the most controlable across a variety of arm speeds, offered the straightest flights, and was a little shorter than the others.
The solf and dx wraith were close in distance. solf had a straighter flight path and was easier to control and consistantly reach 400 or so on a fairly straight flight path with some fade. the dx wraith would hyzer hard after a slight initial turn and come up short of 400 more often than not. on the few throws i nailed it, which is harder to do and results in a wider flight path than the solf, it got out to about 475. i did totally connect with one throw with the solf that hit at least 450. that throw was very straight.
These are awesome discs! they will replace my dx wraith [distance] and star leopard [control] as my drivers. this will hopefully bring more consistancy to my long shots, as the orions feel the same [almost] in the hand. i will still need the z-pred until they [hopefully] make a fast overstable disc that feels the same as the other orions. solf-x? exp-long? the pred is a good choice for me now as it has the same width rim, but a hair deeper.

The Orions are amazing. They are the only discs I can throw 350-400' with "touch". Before I would be throwing a mid or Teebird quite hard, increasing the chance of pulling the disc off line, or trying to let up on a fast D driver, often resulting in the wrong flight line altogether(doesn't flatten up with slight hyzer release,etc).

My SOLS is beautifully broken in, about to the point where I am going to put a new one in my bag alongside it. It is like a slightly faster/longer TL. Its flippiness is more predictable than any understable driver I've ever thrown except for maybe the QJLS, but the SOLS is longer and more effortless and has beat all JLS types out of my bag. The SOLS is a bit more of a fairway driver than the SOLF, and for me it does not really compete with the big boys in my bag for pure D (Orc, Pro Starfire) like the SOLF can. It is longest when new, after it breaks in you can't really yank on it without a lot of flip. Broken in it is an effortless disc to get to turn, but it still likes to find flat and stay in the air. It is like a Sidewinder with slower, straighter action. I will throw it with a little hyzer, about 60% and it will flip up, glide on a slight turn, and then come back with a slight fade, creating a perfectly straight throw for about 360'. The only other disc that can compete with the SOLS for this type shot is a broken in CE TL.

If your SOLS flies too stable to start with, try sanding off the flash. This brings out the "magic glide" in the SOLS.

All in all I used to use 7-10 different drivers in my bag depending on the shot/course, now I rarely need more than 6, with 7 being the very max. I still use Teebirds and Firebirds for shorter shots hyzers, and predictability in the wind. I also throw the Orc (Champion, I'm testing a Star) and the Starfires (Pro for understable, Star SX for head/cross winds) for more wide open, let loose type shots and courses(Fly 18). I anticipate the release of the Star Max. I need a faster, truly overstable disc. The new Monsters and Teerexes are not trustworthy as such.