Does anyone have a report on how the new Star Line plastic holds up? I.E.-is it better/worse than the CPL plastic? Does it beat up quick or is it like the old Champion plastic?

CPL? :confused:

If by CPL you mean Champion Plastic, I'd say it's just as durable if not a little more as far as the SB Orcs I've thrown are holding up.

Sorry, CPL is Champion Pro Line or candy plastic. It's a term used to alleviate confusion with the original Champion Edition Line. All the cool kids are using it! LOL :D

I find that it holds up just as much as Champion Plastic does and in the case of the Star Teebird i think it has a little more glide...

-Scott Lewis

Or just the people who don't know the fact that there is no Champion Pro line plastic on the market. Actually I think the feel of the new eveolution plastic is just as good even though the discs might not suit your game as well. You should still get a Hybrid and Sabre Fo Sho. The Star plastic is innova's best combo to date IMO. :D

That Acronym actually confuses things more.
now you are confusing Pro line with candy....
Candy was Proline.. and candy is what Champion is now(just to make an example..)
Proline used to be the plastic that Kc rocs and things were made of and now they are just Pro..

You are actually confusing other people with an acronym that is trying to differentiate plastic that hasn't been run in 4 years and most new people won't even know about..

It's best to just stick with DX, Pro, Champion, and CE...

but if you want to get technical then it would probably be something like DX, Proline, CE, Candy Proline, Champion, PRO, CFR, and Star...

-Scott Lewis

Yeah, it is confusing. Some of the original KC Pro Line( Firebird, Teebird, Valkyrie) of discs got mutated into what was called Pro Line but was clearly champion (of today) plastic. That plastic was the later runs of what was then referred to as Champion Edition. The candy plastic was basically the last run of Champion Edition plastic before it eventually became what we know of today as Champion plastic. Eventually, Innova brought back the original(kinda) KC Pro Line plastic with the Pro Line Teebird, Valkyrie, Beast, Wraith, et al. Whew!! So, scratch the CPL comment. I meant Champion.

i think that it's not a nice as the velocity ching plastic,which started out as fusion plastic then became power plastic and now velocity and next....

by the way when i can i get some star plastic??
is it a mixture of the dx, combined with remnants of the se sprinkled with the original champion blue valks that were melted down when they came out flat as a pancake? :eek: :D

That Acronym actually confuses things more.
now you are confusing Pro line with candy....
Candy was Proline.. and candy is what Champion is now(just to make an example..)
Proline used to be the plastic that Kc rocs and things were made of and now they are just Pro..

You are actually confusing other people with an acronym that is trying to differentiate plastic that hasn't been run in 4 years and most new people won't even know about..

It's best to just stick with DX, Pro, Champion, and CE...

but if you want to get technical then it would probably be something like DX, Proline, CE, Candy Proline, Champion, PRO, CFR, and Star...

-Scott Lewis


Yeah, it is confusing. Some of the original KC Pro Line( Firebird, Teebird, Valkyrie) of discs got mutated into what was called Pro Line but was clearly champion (of today) plastic. That plastic was the later runs of what was then referred to as Champion Edition. The candy plastic was basically the last run of Champion Edition plastic before it eventually became what we know of today as Champion plastic. Eventually, Innova brought back the original(kinda) KC Pro Line plastic with the Pro Line Teebird, Valkyrie, Beast, Wraith, et al. Whew!! So, scratch the CPL comment. I meant Champion.






DORKS!!!!


People like you are why eveyone makes fun of us. Well, the blatant pot smokers and drunks are to blame as well. :o

Your mom should have hugged you more. :p

You can hug this right here :p :p :p

Would you prefer a CE hug or a JK Pro Hug (first run)? Or maybe a BUZZZ peck on the cheek, modified with tongue or not? Man, I agree with you but the opportunity presented itself so I hit it. :D

CE hug of course. :D

orange CE of course :D

orange and black :eek:

Back to the original question the star line is not as durable and I don't think with exception of the sidewinder that plastic is more stable than champion, but if you like it throw it but i am not impressed.

North Carolina trees and rocks must be softer than elsewhere. I have been nothing but highly impressed by the Star plastic, both in durability and flight.

What Star Discs are not as durable as champion? So far the Sidewinder, Teebird, Stingray, and Aviar seem to be holding up pretty well... Maybe the higher speed drivers dont' hold up, but they shouldn't hold up in any plastic because of their wide and thin rims.

Just wondering what discs are not as durable since i'm sure it's a possibility.

-Scott Lewis

I'm throwing -
Star TeeBirds - 150 class, for me longer than Champ due to greater glide, trees nothing more than "color" to the disc, rocks direct hits slight scuffing but no cuts, no change in flight period.
Star Sidewinder - 150 class, slightly more stable and slightly longer than Champ, same as Star T as far as tree and rock abuse, also no change in flight yet.
Star SL - 161g has only been in bag a couple of weeks, more matted finish than TB and Winder, tackier, as above as far as abuse tolerance rocks and trees.

All discs are Star white or yellow.

And that's alls I know.......... :D

i got a SB Roc(same as STAR plastic) when they first came out about a year ago. it is my number one go to disc. it's gets thrown everyround i play. has hit everything i can think of and still flies almost exactly like the first day i got it.

nope not durable plastic at all. good thing i got 6 more.

: ) :

Thanks LADOWO. Forgot my SB Roc. Make mine a ditto. :cool:

as far as ching goes--velocity is the name of the driver--not the plastic. o believe it is power plastic. imho-the best plastic out is the dga fusion plastic same idea as star--but stiffer and more durable. feels closest to original ce. that new e from gateway is right up there as well

I have a sb usdgc roc and a sb orc that I have been throwing for quite a while and have a star wraith, sidewinder and teebird now in my bag. The plastic is good, the grip gets me the pop I used to get with my pro line, but handles the trees and rocks with the fortitude of champion plastic. I like it, its not as slick as champion when wet either so their good for those morning rounds.I'm patiently waiting for a star classic roc, they finally came out with it in champion, but I am definatly more partial to the new plastic.

i think this plastic is pretty tough. not quite as much as clear champion but its still durable.

Ive been throwing Star for a few weeks now.....Teebird, SL, Sidewinder, Orc, Wraith, Beast, Stingray and SB Rocs (Almost Star). They are at least as resiliaint as the champion plastic and grip better, even when cold and wet! Ive smacked them all - trees, rocks, and buildings. They all seem to be a little more stable than their champion brothers and sisters and hold up just as well. My whole bag will be Star at some point this year.....keep em coming Innova!

I agree, i have been throwing a sb roc for a year now and it still maintains the same flight as when it was added to the bag.

Ok, at the Big Show in Cedar Hill I saw the new Star Wraiths in red. (I already have a Pink one and love it)
When I picked up the disc I swear it felt like first run red CE plastic.

So I purchased one.

I went over to about 6 tree's and threw it point blank into them. Nothing happened. Not even slightly taco'd.

then I got brave and threw it straight down into the cement tee pad. NOTHING, I could not see where it hit.

I did it a few more times to show others (in the parking lot)

After this, I purchsed 5 more.

It is more overstable than the pro line (and way more stable than the CE line) But I found myself throwing it more than my coveted 1st run CE Valks and Firebirds.

Star plastic rocks!!!

Where you at discraft?

as far as ching goes--velocity is the name of the driver--not the plastic. o believe it is power plastic. imho-the best plastic out is the dga fusion plastic same idea as star--but stiffer and more durable. feels closest to original ce. that new e from gateway is right up there as well



obviously the entire post was making fun of the lineage talk that was going on...
you must be related top the twit named angel that posted on the board without having a brain...

nobody cares what you think....

throw what works for you and let people who want to talk about the starline do so without your insipid pointless comments getting in between the meaningful and helpful posts


this is why i stopped reading the equipment threads about a year ago....
someone comes on and asks a question about a particular product and everyone starts talking about THEIR favorite company or brand....start your own thread about your favorite brands and leave the question threads alone

I'd be careful who you call a Dork! I happen to be a 4th level elf and can render you immobile with the single toss of a 20 sided dice..... best comeback ever!!!!!

Interesting test Pizza...I am still thinking mine would throw better with a few rounds at the BON...I saw the 5 red you grabbed :D

Still hooked on the CFR Wraith over the Star..especially in the last 2 days in the 25 - 35 winds..

ready to test the Star Teebird next....PIAS has a nice new stock and even some Tulsa '06 Specia Blend Orcs'....when Joe figured out the new plastic and got Innova to roll with it.

Star/SB....same thing now...

Star plastic rocks!!!

Where you at discraft?

Discraft had opaque Z [i.e., star plastic] on the market in 2003. Unfortunately, Discraft does not have the ability to tailor invisible clothes for all the princes of disc golf the way Innova can.

Ok, at the Big Show in Cedar Hill I saw the new Star Wraiths in red. (I already have a Pink one and love it)
When I picked up the disc I swear it felt like first run red CE plastic.

So I purchased one.

I went over to about 6 tree's and threw it point blank into them. Nothing happened. Not even slightly taco'd.

then I got brave and threw it straight down into the cement tee pad. NOTHING, I could not see where it hit.

I did it a few more times to show others (in the parking lot)

After this, I purchsed 5 more.

It is more overstable than the pro line (and way more stable than the CE line) But I found myself throwing it more than my coveted 1st run CE Valks and Firebirds.




I was there first hand for the wraith abuse.

were you tempted to take the STAR Wraith so treated aside and tell it that if it were in your bag you'd NEVER treat it in such a manner?
i mean on the one hand -- no harm, no foul -- but on the other hand it seems like that should be at least a misdemeanor!

THe Opaque Z although grippy isn't the same as Star Plastic.. I like my 1st run buzzz and the others i had because that plastic was amazing and it is very grippy, but Discraft has actually just recently come out with a new line of plastic above Z to compete with Star.. i'm hoping that the new plastic is very similar to the Opaque Z(used for first runs) but with a little more grip.

-Scott Lewis

what???? keith-- you do not approve of me comparing star to dga fusion or gateway e? oh my god--i am soooo sorry to upset you. In the future i will consider your feelings when i decide what to post. i see court-ordered anger managment classes in your future dude.
for the record, i am enjoying my star wraith. durability is good. mine is blue and does not feel as tacky as the oranges and whites i have seen.

as i said before....i don't really care....

and as reported before you don't have a sense of humor if you can't see the humor that the thread was going in before your original reply to me....

i love having fun on the message board and picking on people who can't seem to have fun and don't understand what REALLY happens on the board


peace and love,hugs and kisses

keith

Anyone tried the Star Aviar yet?

I have been putting with one for 2 weeks now. They putt very straight, and for driving I find they hold lines you put it on very well with good glide

Are they P&A's?

Small bead, putter mold. Not big bead <font color="red">YET!!!!!</font> (right dave?)

P&A but I would say a tad more overstable than a DX p&a

I'm hoping it can replace my KC Aviar for shorter drives, because the KC is starting to get a little more beat than I would like. I never liked the feel of the champion ones, so I'm hoping Star will work out.

In my hands there is a difference between Star and Pro. I agree with the assesments that it is as durable and more grippy than Pro, but it suffers from what I call Z bend. There are at least two types of Z plastic, Clear and Opaque. Opaque is as tough as Clear but if you leave it on it's side in a box it will bend and it stays bent (the bend is only on the rim and probably does not significantly affect the flight of the disc). Clear Z and Pro plastic, in my hands, do not do this. Star plastic does. BTW, midranges seem to be more resisant to Z bend which makes sense, the rim is thicker and shorter.

I'm not a Dork, I'm AR.... :)

while humor was obvious in the latter part of your post [HA!], the 1st part was just confusing. i was trying to help you out, but you are apparently so far ahead of the curve you don't need it. thanks for setting me straight--i certainly deserved it! sorry for the mistake, i'll try and keep up. ....back on topic--aside from the starwinder, is anyone finding other discs to be more [over]stable than champ? i am finding the wraiths to be about the same stability and the teebirds slightly less stable. what about the beast?

Small bead, putter mold. Not big bead <font color="red">YET!!!!!</font> (right dave?)



Look a little closer. Are you sure?

i find the SB (aka: STAR) Orcs are more stable than their champion compadres. From what i hear that's the norm for STAR -- more high speed stability. Stingrays are in their own category because in Champion plastic they were MUCH more stable than they 'should' have been.

I'm not an expert ... But don't most discs fly more overstable when they are new, and then start to get better when they break in. With all the new Star disc available, just recently, won't it be awhile before we can really judge how these discs are going to fly when they are in their prime? I mean, they are very high-quality plastic, and supposedly as durable as Champion right? Champion discs take awhile to break in, right? At least that is what Blake used to say.
I'm going to give my Star discs awhile (I have most of the new molds now, and will have them all in a week or two), then I'll decide if they fly like their broken-in Champion/Pro brothers.
All I can say for now is that I like the better grip to be had with Star, and I have enjoyed throwing them.

With the amount of drivers on the market, you shouldn't need to find a disc to beat up. There should be a new disc for everything you need. Besides, it is easier to replace a new disc than a beat up one.

Small bead, putter mold. Not big bead <font color="red">YET!!!!!</font> (right dave?)



Look a little closer. Are you sure?



might that be the beadless mold? /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

i love having fun on the message board and picking on people who can't seem to have fun and don't understand what REALLY happens on the board




ahh...the joys of being a troll

Small bead, putter mold. Not big bead <font color="red">YET!!!!!</font> (right dave?)



Look a little closer. Are you sure?



might that be the beadless mold? /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif


I have nothing to look at yet, I only felt one last weekend. What am I missing?

Back when all this Candy-plastic hit the market for the first time (think CE), it seemed obvious that the improved durability was what we all wanted. During a tournament a tree whack no longer made us quake in our boots as to how the disc would fly on its next drive off the tee...

What we did give up was some distance at the end of the flight...as these candy discs seemed to hyzer out faster.

My point is that while there are now a plethora of candy-disc-stabilities to choose from...and coupled with the long break-in time...it takes a heckuva lot more time to get our candy discs tuned, and the sweet spot of that said disc's 'life' is now months or years, as opposed to days or weeks. But, it seems they still hyzer out faster the newer and more 'candy' they are.

.02 // YMMV

Anyone thrown the Star Valk yet ? I hear its stable !!!! :eek:

Star SL is fun to throw !!!!

Im sure its just me, but I dont see the point of other plastic. I throw almost all Champion plastic, and this is as close to original CE as Ive seen. Im sure it will take forever to get all the molds in this plastic, so Pro and Champion will be around for awhile. Is the view that people wont want the more higher end plastic which is more overstable, with better grip and superior durability?
I have my max weight Red Star Wraith put away. I dont think this plastic is going anywhere for a long time.

I am forced to use Champion/Z plastic for drivers due to the amount of rocks on my home course. KC champion drivers (FB, TB) seem to have better durability than other champ/z plastic. Again...I'm referring to chipping in the pastic.

Star plastic seems to hold up better to chipping due to rocks. I really need a star FB to test this though. Star plastic doesn't handle road skuffs well...but the skuffed plastic does buff off easy.

My 2 cents....

I think Innova can sell anything just because it is new and Innova is selling it. Innova could put dung on a stick and call it the Star Fudgesicle. This is just my perspective from selling in Illinois. What's another name for a Champion Coyote? An over-priced Z-comet? I never threw a pro-line wraith any farther than a Z-Flash but one disc I think I sold 100 of last year and the other maybe 20, for about the same price, and the fast seller was made of the plastic that gets chewed up pretty quick. But, it was Innova.

The Discraft special blend will be dead in the water -- I'm calling it. Discraft has a more discerning and independent minded consumer base, in Illinois anyway. Anyone breaking from the herd mentality and throwing Discraft in Illinois is going to be deciding for themselves whether to pay another dollar or two for essentially the same product, and i just don't see it.

I learned last year anytime Innova comes out with a new product, even if it is something Discraft came out with three, four or five years ago that never really flew, buy it and sell it. Ride the wave, don't paddle against it.

I've thrown the Star Plastic. Flies great. Feels great. I'd put it in my own bag if I weren't such a cheapskate. Seems to be tough and durable. I'm boogie boarding this one all the way to the beach.

How close are you really to a real beach ? :eek:

Maybe alot of midwesterner's dream and look at pictures in magazines and jump to conclusions about Cali , but it is not as it seems !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif It's way better !!!!!! :D

In your statement , you say :
"What's another name for a Champion Coyote? An over-priced Z-comet?" I get them for about $ 11.00 each ?

Sorry , you are mistaken here on this statement. I have thrown both and they are totally different discs.


Are you factoring in shipping charges and additional markup for the price increase ?

I know the Star plastic is a couple of dollars more , but it's easier to grip in the rain or when it's cold !!!!!!

Sorry your plastic is more expensive out there. Hope your able to find some good deals.

Star plastic rocks!!!

Where you at discraft?



ESP plastic coming out with their new surge. also they apparently have been making this plastic for dga's proline from what i understand

Hmm

Well I could be wrong but hasn't just about every disc golf manufacture at least once come out with a comparable disc?

I heard discraft have 4+ discs in there line up that were compared to Innova. I don't know which ones since I don't throw discraft.

Tweaked molds are all over the place. It will never end!!