The goal to reduce the number of rounds and playing days prior to the semis at Pro Worlds will be achieved this year with the first round starting on Wednesday at PW2006. Ideally, we tried to figure out a schedule to play three courses twice before the semis. However, unless you have enough courses, you can't do it. So, this year, you'll play four different courses and only two of them twice for six rounds before the semis (which will be one of the courses you've only played once so far).

For future Worlds, we have the possibility to play three courses twice before the Saturday semis. Most divisions would play a different combination of three courses to do this. My question for Pros who either have or might attend Worlds in 2007, would you rather play one of the courses you've already played when you get to the semis, or would you rather play one of the other courses your division hasn't played at all? We know from previous polls that Ams seem to prefer playing as many courses as possible at Worlds. I think pros see it a little differently but thought we would ask.

The goal to reduce the number of rounds and playing days prior to the semis at Pro Worlds will be achieved this year with the first round starting on Wednesday at PW2006. Ideally, we tried to figure out a schedule to play three courses twice before the semis. However, unless you have enough courses, you can't do it. So, this year, you'll play four different courses and only two of them twice for six rounds before the semis (which will be one of the courses you've only played once so far).

For future Worlds, we have the possibility to play three courses twice before the Saturday semis. Most divisions would play a different combination of three courses to do this. My question for Pros who either have or might attend Worlds in 2007, would you rather play one of the courses you've already played when you get to the semis, or would you rather play one of the other courses your division hasn't played at all? We know from previous polls that Ams seem to prefer playing as many courses as possible at Worlds. I think pros see it a little differently but thought we would ask.



i like to play 2 rounds at each course you play if for no other reason than to try an improve on the first time through....usually the first time you see things to try out the next time around,and if you only play one time you have to be there early to practice the courses a few times which then defeats the shorter schedule that is being proposed....unless you are one of the locals at whatever city/state that hosts the worlds......

just my 1 cent

Same course.

Hey, I thought the 2006 format was an experiment with fewer days and rounds and decisions on how future worlds would be based on the feedback and experience from 2006.

Your post makes it sound like all future worlds are going to be fewer rounds. :mad:

With longer and tougher courses, the total time on the courses has actually increased with Allentown being the most amount of time on the courses and the most number of days of any Pro Worlds. With courses like Nockamixon taking four hours, it's challenging to get three rounds done in a day on courses like this.

So, planning to do six rounds on three more challenging courses that average 3-3.5 per round will be more golf than Rochester Worlds where eight rounds were played with 2:15 per round. Allentown was a record 22-24 hours on the courses depending on whether you played Nockamixon twice. Minnesota with 7x3 for about 21 hours was probably the previous high mark. So, while each Worlds usually has its own mix of tradeoffs, hopefully playing better, fewer and more challenging courses is a good direction for the players.

Hell, it's enjoyable time, why try to reduce it?

More golf. More golf. More golf. More golf.

Say it Chuck...........More golf.

Let the players choose how much more they want. You can always play those courses and all of the other ones there with your traveling partners before and after the event.

i guess i should have put 2 cents in to get chuck to talk to me :D

or maybe a dollar :(

I like the ball golf model of putting your single best course out there and then let the players have at it for 3 or 4 rounds. Make the par around 63 to 67 and one round a day will be enough and give folks a time to socialize and check out the local flavors and other event amenities.

Perhaps this flies in the face of us as a sport of YMWTMTOTHs, but I am not a YMWTMTOMHs so I thought I'd share where I am coming from.

I love disc "G"olf and would opt to play only the most challenging and best suited course for my skill level as many times as possible at an event. Nothing is more disappointing than to travel 3 to 18 hours and then be forced to play the sweenie day school course where any local can shoot a 44, but you getting to play the layout once a year are up the creek. Though that is not the primary reason I don't like playing pitch 'n' putt courses, it certainly is one of the more annoying reasons.

If you are running a major event (or even if you are not) treat your targetted competitors right and afford them the pleasure of banging their heads against your very best course layout as many times as possible.

This will also make it easier for Terry Roddy and the NBC Sports TV crews to set up and get the shots for their new show PDGA Today. ;)

I'm all for fewer "better" rounds of disc golf at Majors, NTs and A tiers. I say let them eat BEEF! We have plenty of Local events to eat desserts...

or maybe a dollar :(



how about 5 bucks!

i agree w/ Neon

With the exception of the USDGC and Players Cup, I personally think tee time events are foolish and a waste of time for the typical player and staff. But I realize others seem to like them, which baffles me. The main problem I see for Worlds is that it's very inconvenient for planning transportation, meals and activities with other players you're traveling with. It's hard enough for those arriving by air without a rental car, especially our international visitors, to get around in the U.S. with its lack of mass transit in the locations we have events.

There can be over 6 hours of total wasted time per course for staffing, especially spotters, at both ends of the day when the course(s) are less than fully loaded. Players get less total golf which is one reason many like to play worlds. Snowbowl tee times made sense only because it would have been cruel to make people climb to some of those tee positions for shotgun starts, and later, back down. And we saw what can happen with bad weather delays/cancellations, which seems more complicated than the dynamics of dealing with a shotgun delay.

When you get right down to it, we spend more time standing and walking than actually playing the game. I vote for a smooth round that keeps a continuous flow. That means no 5 somes, not a lot of OB and good players.
The only way you can improve on your score is to play the course again. No group should have to play a course only once in a Worlds.
More than 2 hours per round, is too long. Where's the cart girl?

Dear Chuck, Just because tee times are not your personal preference does not make them foolish. I suggest again, as I have in the past, that the use of words like "foolish" is viewed and felt by many as a personal attack. Choose your words carefully, many of those whom you claim to represent do not feel that tee times are foolish or a waste of time. You really should not be baffled by the fact that others have opinions that are different from yours. It doesn't make ours any more "right" than your opinions, they are simply that,,,, opinions. Please take the time to listen to the feedback. You don't even have to respond, just listen. If you do, I think you will find that you will not be baffled, but you will understand. You still may not agree, but you will understand. The inconveniences you mentioned of staff, transportation, meals and activities are logistical challenges that can be met with proper planning and will have to be met regardless of the format.I like the scheduled tee times and for me, it makes it more convenient for me to arrange my schedule for other activities and rest and relaxation. While I do enjoy this format, I also enjoy the more traditional formats. USDGC does it well with tee times. Worlds has done it well, (some years), with the more traditional formats. I wonder if there has been a poll taken from those USDGC competitors as to their preferences of format or if a poll has been taken from the competitors at a recent worlds as to their preference? Peace-out.

I thought I made it clear that those were my personal opinions, not some statement of policy nor a representation of anyone else's opinions? My use of "foolish" is already a tamed down version of how I feel. Those who voice support for tee times seem to have a personal preference or just like the change of pace which is great. I'm listening but haven't heard any functional reasons why the format is more effective for those hosting the event than shotgun.

Even ball golf is moving away from using tee times only on hole 1 as they realize multiple starting holes is more efficient. Starting groups on both hole 1 and 10 is becoming much more common. We already ask volunteers to do much and don't always get as many as we need. Not being effective in managing their time by using a less efficient format is asking more than necessary in my opinion.

I already expressed support for tee times at USDGC and Players Cup due to a few aspects which includes big money. But it's still not more efficient from an organizer's standpoint. Players should be glad, and I know they are, that Harold and his volunteer team are willing to go above and beyond what's needed to make the USDGC and the emerging Players Cup outstanding events. It's much more draining to pull off this format by the usually overtaxed teams of volunteers running multiple sites at Worlds.

Tee times for me are a waste of time. In the amount of time that you wait before or after your tee time, you could have played another round with a shotgun start. The only cool thing about tee times is the announcement of each player and the exciting finish, if there is one. Instead of tee times, let everyone who has made the cut, play a morning round and then only the final 4 - 8 do a tee time with a big gallery.