Seneca Soiree is back as an A tier event! The course is all spruced up and ready to eat your discs! More information will follow soon!

Cedar Farm Golf Club
Meeting Tonight
Hard Times Cafe
Germantown, Md
7:00pm

Please join us
The Soiree and Course Expansion are on the list of topics to discuss

Mailed my entry today! I can't wait...Seneca is one of my favorite courses...and the Soiree is one of my favorite tournaments! :D

In the near future it will be two great courses! :D

The Cedar Farm Golf Club is Proud to Announce the
15th Annual Seneca Creek Soiree
Saturday and Sunday April 29/30, 2006
PDGA �A� Tier event

Join us for our 15th Anniversary on one of the country�s toughest Disc Golf Courses. This year may be your last chance to play the original 18 hole layout, as major changes and additions are being planned. Don�t miss it!!

Directions to Park:
From the South, Exit I-270 at exit 10 (Clopper Rd/Rt.117) and go west. Park is on the left, 2 miles from the hwy.
From the North, Exit I-270 at exit 11 (Quince Orchard Rd/Rt 124) turn right at bottom of ramp, go � mile and turn right on Clopper Rd. 1-1/2 miles, park is on the left.

Park Fee: $2.00/car Please follow park speed limits (20mph)!!

Format: 4 Rounds guaranteed for all players - Mostly long and really hard!!
Divisions: This is a PRO-ONLY EVENT!! All players must be CURRENT PDGA MEMBERS to play. Be sure to send a copy of your current membership card with your pre-registration. Divisions offered will be Open Men, Open Women, Masters Men, and Grand Masters Men.
Entry Fees: Open Men - $90 Open Women/Masters Men - $60 GM Men - $50 Advanced players can play in any pro division for $40.

Check-in Friday afternoon or Saturday by 9:15
Players Meeting 9:30
Tee Time Saturday 10:00, Sunday 9:30


For more information or to pre-register, send payment, current PDGA card and division, Address, and phone or email, to the �Cedar Farm Golf Club� c/o Keith Palmer @301 351-1893, 11510 Aldburg Way, Germantown, MD 20876, spendnloot@hotmail.com
Tournament Hotel: Comfort Inn 301 330-0023 (16216 S. Frederick Rd - Gaithersburg) Shady Grove Exit - 5 miles from course.

It sounds like Seneca will be playing looooong. If anyone had to give an estimate on how long the rounds would be, that would be super.

My girl has a wedding to attend at 2 and I was wondering at what time I would be able to consume free booze at the reception.

Thanks.
A.Weaks

I would plan on being at the park up untill 4-5 pm easy long tees take a little time to play and i think we play the longer set-up on saturday.

what if you havent recieved your card yet? I want to pre-register but I havent recieved my pdga package in the mail yet.

pre-reg any way and if it comes before the event you could always email a copy then,but make sure the PDGA has your money before you register.

E-mail the TD aswell so he knows,thats what i would do and i cant speak for the TD but thats how i would go about it.

c'mon will, it's time to renew your pdga mbshp!
looking fwd to playing the soiree!
SPARKS

Looking forward to my first Soiree since it was a NT. Looks like I have to warm up my roller again.

Looking forward to my first Soiree since it was a NT. Looks like I have to warm up my roller again.



Schweb, I remember the first Soiree you played...if I'm not mistaken, you didn't throw rollers back then.

Looking forward to my first Soiree since it was a NT. Looks like I have to warm up my roller again.



Schweb, I remember the first Soiree you played...if I'm not mistaken, you didn't throw rollers back then.

My first Soiree was 2001, I practiced rollers for an entire week b4 I went up there, I definitely threw rollers, or I would not have finished 3rd.

Looking forward to my first Soiree since it was a NT. Looks like I have to warm up my roller again.



Schweb, I remember the first Soiree you played...if I'm not mistaken, you didn't throw rollers back then.

My first Soiree was 2001, I practiced rollers for an entire week b4 I went up there, I definitely threw rollers, or I would not have finished 3rd.



I think I remember it being noted that in 2002 Avery Jenkins finished 6th, which was apparently the highest finish at the Soiree for someone who didn't throw rollers.

Yes it was.

John Merhi runs the Mid Atlantic Amateur Championship out there each year, and he has told me before that some guy won that years ago without throwing a single roller.

but that was AM not Pro. you mullet

but that was AM not Pro. you mullet




I think you're confusing me with Dana Evil.

no the mullet on your Avatar

I'm the clean shaven one...

I wanna see all you NC guys up here!Aolt of us MDer's come over for the Dogwood,so come play a sweet course that may never be the same again as changes are in store to add another course which means redesigning the old to accomadate the new!
Should be a no brainer for the VA,PA,DE,WV,and Ohio Peeps to come.
I may have a little floor space available so mail me and i will let you know if i still have room.
I'm 15-30 mins away from the course depending on traffic which shouldn't be an issue!

D.J. Wimer
gotubeat21526@hotmail.com

its almost here.

its almost here.



...been working my roller game.

No rollers allowed :D

No rollers allowed :D

Only for TThe only mullTT TTo beaTT me aTT TThe TTeam TTourney.

Pre-registration list?

Pre-registration list?

Yeah.....Please. ;) :D:)

You know I'll be rollin, sorry Schweb :o

Happy B-day, Schwebby!

Now, how 'bout a pre-registration list for the birthday boy?!? :D

You know I'll be rollin, sorry Schweb :o

It's all good PiTT's

Happy B-day, Schwebby!

Now, how 'bout a pre-registration list for the birthday boy?!? :D

Thanks Jerry, looking forward to hangin at Seneca.

[/QUOTE]Thanks Jerry, looking forward to hangin at Seneca.

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Any other NC'ers coming up for the Soiree?

i'm going to try to get ahold of keith so we can post pre-reg soon.

I spoke to Keith about it yesterday, hopefully he can get it posted soon.

Happy B-day Brian :D

Thanks Jerry, looking forward to hangin at Seneca.

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Any other NC'ers coming up for the Soiree?

[/QUOTE]As of right now, I dont think so, they are all scared of rollers, except for Larry, and ju know he aint comin.

I spoke to Keith about it yesterday, hopefully he can get it posted soon.

Happy B-day Brian :D

Thanks PiTTs

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Any other NC'ers coming up for the Soiree?

[/QUOTE]As of right now, I dont think so, they are all scared of rollers, except for Larry, and ju know he aint comin.

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Some things never change... :confused:

Unfortunately that is true, alot of the up and coming players have not learned to Roll proficiently YET.

The course has opened up a bit. No need to roll All holes. Just to prove everyone wrong, I will not throw a roller the 1st day! :cool:

Sike :D:D:D:D:D

I was serious about the "opened up" part though.

Caint wait!

That Seneca was 80% roller holes was never a negative for me really. Every year I'd come out of the Soiree in peak roller condition. If it has opened up, then it should be a treat as Seneca originally did have a far greater number of air shots, particularly over the top ones.

Alas, with the 2MR in effect, the roller will likely still be the option of choice... ;)

Format: 4 Rounds guaranteed for all players - Mostly long and really hard!!



Any other clues? Is it going to be the same layout all 4 rounds with just a mix of your best holes or will it be the same as years past where we played L to L L to S S to L S to S?

And what is prereg looking like? Thanks.

Any sponsorship opportunities (other than my entry fee that is... :o)?

The course has opened up a bit.



I'll believe it when I see it... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Where did you register Jerry?

I mailed my entry back on March 6. I had to dig around on the internet and finally found registration info on the md-discgolf web site. I sure would like to see pre-registration list...

Fats will be there. That's all you need to know.

Well, you'd probably need to know who Fats was first. But then you'd be vaguely impressed...

I know Schweb is. He's seen me play the worst round I've had in two years.

Registred Players

1 Sean Burkett 18806 AMATUER
2 Bryan Gawler 12823 OPEN
3 Keith Palmer 25490 AMATUER
4 Brady Smith 12292 GRAND MASTERS
5 Mark Humphey 10829 AMATUER
6 John Gregory 7750 OPEN
7 Wayne Zink 1288 MASTERS
8 Jerry Gotcher 7956 MASTERS
9 John Debois 25064 OPEN
10 Ross Pancoast 25734 OPEN
11 Lee Savoy 28770 AMATUER
12 J. Gary Dropcho 2734 MASTERS
13 Rachel Mansir 12856 OPEN WOMEN
14 Andy Caris 7132 OPEN
15 Thomas Coffin 27172 AMATUER
16 Joseph Hewlett 22697 MASTERS
17 Mike Moser 5557 OPEN
18 Tom Kim 11722 OPEN
19 Mike Reed 29531 AMATUER
20 Steve Brinster 10628 OPEN
21 Lesli Demark 15638 OPEN WOMEN
22 Ray Rogers 4792 MASTERS
23 Joe Mela 2607 OPEN
24 Shawn Breske 15294 OPEN
25 Larry Pearce 25410 AMATUER
26 Brian Schweberger 12989 OPEN
27 Glen Hatfield 22994 OPEN
28 Justin Madore 170350 OPEN
29 Rick Honn 25403 MASTERS
30 Craig Gangloff 4010 OPEN
MORE TO COME AND IT SOULD FILL!!!!!!!!!!

IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET "PLEASE DO"
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPONSOR A HOLE OR THE TOURNAMENT "THAT WOULD HELP SO MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MY FIRST TOURNAMENT GO SMOOTHLY.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE PLEASE POST THIS ANYWHERE YOU CAN SO PEOPLE KNOW WHO IS PLAYING, WHERE IT IS, AND WHEN TO BE THERE.

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING SO FAR,
KEITH PALMER
301-351-1893
SORRY THIS TOOK THIS LONG TO GET ON THE BOARD

ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO PRE-REG PLEASE SEND CHECK MADE OUT TO CEDAR FARM GOLF CLUB WITH CURRENT PDGA #.
ADDRESS
11510 ALDBURG WAY
GERMANTOWN, MD 20876
ANY ?'S JUST GIVE ME A CALL AND I'LL HELP YOU OUT.

i still need to pre-reg, but i will be there too...

all the players listed as ams will be competing in the open division though because there is no am division at the soiree right?

pre-reg list will be on the pdga schedule site soon. waiting on password to upload.

The Cedar Farm Golf Club is Proud to Announce the
15th Annual Seneca Creek Soiree
Saturday and Sunday April 29/30, 2006
PDGA �A� Tier event

Join us for our 15th Anniversary on one of the country�s toughest Disc Golf Courses. This year may be your last chance to play the original 18 hole layout, as major changes and additions are being planned. Don�t miss it!!

Directions to Park:
From the South, Exit I-270 at exit 10 (Clopper Rd/Rt.117) and go west. Park is on the left, 2 miles from the hwy.
From the North, Exit I-270 at exit 11 (Quince Orchard Rd/Rt 124) turn right at bottom of ramp, go � mile and turn right on Clopper Rd. 1-1/2 miles, park is on the left.

Park Fee: $2.00/car Please follow park speed limits (20mph)!!

Format: 4 Rounds guaranteed for all players - Mostly long and really hard!!
Divisions: This is a PRO-ONLY EVENT!! All players must be CURRENT PDGA MEMBERS to play. Be sure to send a copy of your current membership card with your pre-registration. Divisions offered will be Open Men, Open Women, Masters Men, and Grand Masters Men.
Entry Fees: Open Men - $90 Open Women/Masters Men - $60 GM Men - $50 Advanced players can play in any pro division for $40.

Check-in Friday afternoon or Saturday by 9:15
Players Meeting 9:30
Tee Time Saturday 10:00, Sunday 9:30


For more information or to pre-register, send payment, current PDGA card and division, Address, and phone or email, to the �Cedar Farm Golf Club� c/o Keith Palmer @301 351-1893, 11510 Aldburg Way, Germantown, MD 20876, spendnloot@hotmail.com
Tournament Hotel: Comfort Inn 301 330-0023 (16216 S. Frederick Rd - Gaithersburg) Shady Grove Exit - 5 miles from course.

there is a strong possibility that Hawk and Dr. Evil will be in attendance as i am doing scoring and Hawk can't resist an opportunity to impress the best....

Hawk can't resist an opportunity to impress the best....




As an entertainer and Your Disc Golf Hero, I'm obligated to give the fans what they want. The avalanche of beseeching emails, pm's, text messages, and scary notes at the front door was truly overwhelming.

Hey Everybody,

Here's the information about the Hotel. The hotel is the Comfort Inn at Shady Grove. Their phone number is 301-330-0023 and their address is 16216 S. Frederick Rd. Gaithersburg Md. 20877.
We have 5 rooms available on Friday at $99; 15 rooms available on Sat. and Sun. at $84. This is for single or double occupancy. The regular room rates are $120. This includes a complimentary breakfast buffet each morning, in room microwaves and refrigerators, shuttle service to the metro, exercise room, outdoor heated pool and free local calls. People making reservations should call the tool free number 888-605-9100 and say they are with the Seneca Creek State Park Disc Golf Tournament. The cut off date for these rate is 4/18/06 at which time rooms will be on a space available basis. Rates are subject to a 5% sales tax and 7% occupancy tax.

Potomac Oak Deli employs and sponsors me a few times a year so i figured it would be nice to not have to leave the park for lunch,so i figured this would be easy for our store since he is a hole sponsor to.

$8.00 per day gets you:

1 8' sub(turkey,ham,roast beef and tuna i believe)cut freash daily
1 20 oz soda(Coke and or Pepsi products water ect.)
1 bag of chips

We(Deli owner and i) also discussed the Deli sponsoring a hole worth $100.00 for an Ace but it's not official yet!

Input Welcome!
D.J.

I don't know if they have any vacancy, but there is a TownePlace Suites by Marriott at exit 11 of I-270 in Gaithersburg. It is within walking distance of the awesome new Dogfish Head Alehouse. (http://www.dogfish.com/eats/DFH_Alehouse,_Gaithersburg/2/index.htm) This is also less than one mile from Seneca. I can think of no better way to spend a day than disc golf at Seneca followed by big beers and dinner at Dogfish Head, although watch out for the alcohol content of those beers!

$8.00 per day gets you:

1 8' sub(turkey,ham,roast beef afreash daily
1 20 oz soda(Coke and or Pepsi products water ect.)
1 bag of chips

WOW! Thats a big sub!!

Yes those % can sneak up on you pretty darn quick...but alas some many good beer choices there..... :D

$8.00 per day gets you:

1 8' sub(turkey,ham,roast beef afreash daily
1 20 oz soda(Coke and or Pepsi products water ect.)
1 bag of chips

WOW! Thats a big sub!!



http://www.grumblemagazine.com/articles/oy/honeymoon/stonehenge.jpg

So let's see - Stonehenge is 1 1/2 feet long. This sub is 8. We're talking a sub that's more than 4x bigger than stonehenge.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Booked a room at the TownePlace Suites by Marriott.
Thanks for the tip Jeff.
Might be some Caps played friday night at the TownePlace Suites.
Must practice rollers this week.
Looking forward to playing Seneca for the first time!

dont forget the cut rollers

Why would you pull people away from the host hotel!?!? :mad:They are a $450 sponser and you are pointing people in other directions! NOT COOL! :mad:

I would usually agree with you and I'm all for supporting sponsors, but the special rate was only good if you booked before the 18th. Not sure about others, but I know it's not feasible for me to spend $120/night... Sorry.

Why would you pull people away from the host hotel!?!? :mad:They are a $450 sponser and you are pointing people in other directions! NOT COOL! :mad:

I appreciate all the sponsors but some/most people dont have that kind of money to spend on living arrangements for 2 days.

Why would you pull people away from the host hotel!?!? :mad:They are a $450 sponser and you are pointing people in other directions! NOT COOL! :mad:


my bad, didn't know they were a sponsor.
i forgot there was a host hotel when i got the other room. but mariott is only 80 a night so I would prob have gone with them anyway.

cant wait for this event to come!! gonna be fun!

Why would you pull people away from the host hotel!?!? :mad:They are a $450 sponser and you are pointing people in other directions! NOT COOL! :mad:



Sean,

Rest assured that my intention was never to direct people away from the host hotel. I was merely pointing out an alternative in case the host hotel was already full; additionally, note that the special rate at the host hotel was only good if you booked before the 18th.

Is there an updated pre-reg list?

Never mind. I found it (http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5772) . Silly me.

Never mind. I found it (http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5772) . Silly me.

just like a Woman, to ask where something is b4 even trying to find it themselves. ;) :p :) :D

Didn't see that date. Sorry. :oI flew off the handle a little. It just seemed as you were turning people away from a sponser. I will shut my mouth now (after I pull foot out)! :D

Chuck Norris would never embarass himself like that. I suggest you switch your signature over to something more appropriate (http://www.studentadventures.com/gallery/seagal/images/Steven_w_Panda_r1i22.jpg) for you.

Going to be a beautiful weekend for camping at Little Bennet! :D At least 3 of us there!

Sooo excited for this weekend!!
Im stayin Friday Nite in Ellicot
Does anyone have some good quick directions to the course??
So i've heard its about an hour away.. but i was wondering if theres any other way to get around it...

THaNkS!! See you All Saturday!! :D

Genrally we copter (http://hackers.propus.com.br/~marlon/photos/helicopter/photo077.jpg) in but that's us. Take 70 west until you get to the Mt. Airey/Damascus exit (Rt. 27). Make the left towards Damascus and then stay right on Ridge Rd. You'll eventually get to Wisteria Dr. Turn left. Turn right at the next light which is Germantown Rd. A couple of lights is Clopper Rd. Turn left. Park will be on your right. Takes about a hour.

The weather is going to be purfect for golf. almost makes me want to play...almost :D

Cant wait to ROLL witda Flow..tomorrow

A little over 4 hrs from the 'burgh....I'm headed out tomorrow morning. I'm so excited to get there I'll probably wake up at 4:30 am, anxious to hit the road...

We will be hitting the road around 9am. Stop and set up camp, and then break out the rollers! WOO HOO! :D

I am very jealous of the fact that you will both have the opportunity to play tomorrow.....I have to WORK til 4 p.m......dam jobs.....ahhhhhh the Real World, nice to have guaranteed money b4 I go play.

Any updates to the Pre-Reg list?

The Skylands crew headin down early manana...rollergirl is ready for some fun!! Yeah Seneca.
Team Sparks!

The Skylands crew headin down early manana...rollergirl is ready for some fun!! Yeah Seneca.
Team Sparks!

TTilTT is beTTer.

bold move

Johnny, you play caps with SPARKS?

once, and maybe never again. frightening hangover!!

JDB, first a binary signature, now hexadecimal? Am I having that profound an effect on you? What's next the archipelago joke?

See everyone tomorrow!

Okay Folks its getting to be that time. "WoooHooooo". If you haven't sent your money yet. Please send me an email or give me a call so i can save you a spot until 8:30 Sat. Morning. We have about 60 people pre-reg and this will probably fill. "PLEASE BRING CASH, MULA, GREEN, CHEESE, NO CHECKS"
Thanks
Keith Palmer
301-351-1893

I am very jealous of the fact that you will both have the opportunity to play tomorrow.....I have to WORK til 4 p.m......



Okay, Schweb....here's my game plan as of now (7:07 am):

1) Finish my second cup of coffee as I'm typing this.
2) Step outside and load up vehicle with road trip stuff.
3) Grab a little food to break the fast.
4) Think about you driving to work as I finish typing this post.
5) Kiss lovely wife "goodbye" for the weekend.
6) Hit the road.
7) Occasionally think about you at work during the road trip.
8) Start throwing rollers before your lunch break.

:D:D:D:D:D

:D

Latest pre-reg is up!

Also if anyone knows Scot Whitman, let me know. He isn't current...Everyone else is ok as of now. :D

Incase anyone was interested in seeing what the Potomac deli was offering for food i have the menu so you can click it to check it out!

Don't forget on Saturday you are ordering for delivery on Sunday aswell,a deli worker will be taking orders at or by the sign in table,look for the sign.


Support our local sponsors to retain them in the future!

http://www.potomacoakdeli.com/seneca.html

first round scores are up!

I am very jealous of the fact that you will both have the opportunity to play tomorrow.....I have to WORK til 4 p.m......



Okay, Schweb....here's my game plan as of now (7:07 am):

1) Finish my second cup of coffee as I'm typing this.
2) Step outside and load up vehicle with road trip stuff.
3) Grab a little food to break the fast.
4) Think about you driving to work as I finish typing this post.
5) Kiss lovely wife "goodbye" for the weekend.
6) Hit the road.
7) Occasionally think about you at work during the road trip.
8) Start throwing rollers before your lunch break.

:D:D:D:D:D

now that I am Home and geTTing to read this post, that is just plain wrong....but ok since I finished higher than expectations I had set for myself.
Great seeing ya Jerry, hopefully I will make it out to your neck of the woods this year, but not for sure yet.

Nice shootin Mose!

The Cedar Farm Golf Club hits yet another solid ace! Thanks to Keith, Craig, Rich and the entire Seneca crew for a great Soiree. The course looked marvelous, the event ran smoothly and positive vibes floated on crisp, clear breezes. Thanks also to all those who I had the pleasure to play with; you all helped make it a wonderful time for me.
Like many Seneca old-timers, I can hardly wait to see how the new course design plays out.

Scores are up, TD report is submitted! **** I'm fast! I'm a legend in my own mind...

Great job guys.

Especially Keith. I don't think I've ever seen anyone smile as much after his 10th spit-out in one day. It was a pleasure.

And Mose, you're a manimal.

pay out 12 with a 40 person field? seems like a really concentrated payout to me.

Despite another worthless attempt at "competing", I HAD A BLAST THIS WEEKEND!!! Usually on the Monday after a Soiree, I'm pretty depressed from how poorly I shot. Today I'm as happy as can be because it was SUCH A GREAT WEEKEND. I thought the Course and the Club were prepared for this event. Thanks to all the CFGC volunteers who worked on the course over the past few weeks. Special thanks goes to the CFGC volunteers who worked on the course in the rain last weekend. The course looked great for the tournament and everyone noticed. The best part is, the locals can continue to enjoy it! Special thanks to our Sponsors, our lunch provider, and to the National Weather Service for providing such awesome conditions.

Wet Blanket Alert: As you know, Seneca is expanding from 18-holes to 36-holes. This weekend I heard folks talk like the project is already a done deal. The expectation is that by next year's Soiree (a mere 12 months away) we'll be playing a different course, most likely a 36-hole course. I'm going to stick my neck out and be the dissenting opinion on this.

I attend the CFGC meetings and have heard the optimistic comments from Seneca's Rangers. One Ranger stated that the "hard part" of the process is convincing the Rangers/Park Managers that course expansion is feasible. We are past that point as the Park is on board. Now that the Park agrees with the idea, they need to review any plans we submit and then forward a proposal to the Maryland Dept. of Natural Resourses (DNR in Annapolis) for final approval.

There is a whole lot of work and a lot of unknowns before the first shovel can hit dirt. The new 36-hole design still has to be worked out. Then it needs to be transferred to an aerial photograph and presented to the Park Rangers. Then we take a walk through with the Rangers with inevitable changes to the design plans from that walk through. After we're done finalizing the course design with the Park, the plans need to be converted into a proposal and submitted to DNR. Once it's in DNR's hands, no one really knows how long they'll take to approve it. DNR officials will also have to come from Annapolis and do their own walk through. Who knows if they'll require additional changes to the design.

Seneca's Rangers have told us that DNR's site visit and review shouldn't take a whole lot of time. While it's great that the Park is being optimistic, it's too soon to forget that the Damascus Park Manager was also very optimistic about a course at her park. This is the basis for my skepticism... local park officials possibly underestimating the obstacles that the administration above them can put in place.

Can the entire process from approval to installation get done in 12 months? Yes. Are the odds favorable? No. I would love to see us have a 36-hole course by April 07. Even a partially completed project of 27 holes would be awesome. But the lesson to learn from Damascus is that BEAURACRACY HAPPENS. Park officials do get trumped by powers above them. Unforseen delays do happen. There's far too many variables that are out of our control. I think it's time to step back, analyze everything in front of us, and realize that 12 months ain't a lot of time considering all that needs to be done.

Being ready by April 07 is a lofty goal, one that will require a lot of effort and a lot of luck. It's too early in the process to predict that kind of timetable. I think it's going to take longer than that. I hope I can return to this post and say "I was a worry wart and I was wrong". I will work as hard as I can with the club to prove my fears were unfounded. This is my opinion only (John Merhi). I understand being optimistic about our upcoming changes and I'm not trying to be critical of anyone. I just don't want to see the club being held to an April 07 date before we know if it's truly attainable.

not really, willie...

there were actually only 25 pros and 15 ams playing up who could not cash. thus we actually paid 12 out of 25. hope that helps if anyone is wondering why they didn't cash.

we mighta shoulda paid a couple more slots, but in the end we just followed the pdga spreadsheet guidelines...

Great job, great people, and great hole 11.

Most quoted statement when talking about the impending redesign,"I'll believe it when I see it."

Craig, JP and Timber did a very decent job in the first design. How could they possibly predict that 16 years later the cedars would close out most of the fairways? I have to trust that the new crew of designers will take a very close look at that great piece of land and really put together a solid group of new holes.

Time to say farewell to the course many of us have come to love to hate and hate to love.

Great event! The course was a lot of fun to play. Thanks Keith and Craig and Rich and everyone for the great time.
Also thanks to the spotters for the incredible spotting on hole 11 and other holes! wow!

It was good to meet you and fun playing with you the second round Johnny Sparks! Glad you could make it down and enjoy my home course. Hope to see you down again next year.

I want to thank all of the out of towners who came out and played this great event! We really put in some hard work to get the course looking good and then the weather gods were kind to us all weekend! I am very happy that you guys got to experience Seneca at it's best!

I want to see this thing fill next year! If you didn't make it this year, you missed out. Don't let it happen next year!

If anyone has been given unrealistic expectations, I apologize. The brunt of our announcement is that the course we have known at Seneca Creek is about to change. Could be 36 holes, could be 27 - we are working on design. When the project will be finished - can't be sure. But there is a lot of exitement about the prospect of more and better things to come. There is a high likelihood that the course just played in the Soiree will not be played again next year. This is the announcement that was made. Such melodrama John, is it really necessary?

The course was in great shape, thanks for your efforts.

I have reservations about coming back again though. Everything was great, but the numbers point to the Masters, all 24 of them, many from FAR away, didn't get anything close to their share of the sponsorship. In fact, they got a negative payout. They were the only division to get this treatment.

What happened?

Once again the hyprocrite Nick Kight chooses to publicly chastise a tournament director instead of asking these questions through private e-mail, phone conversation, or face-to-face discussion. Even though in the past Nick has scolded others for this very same behavior, he continues to do so himself, and tarnish the reputation of what is widely considered one of our region's best tournaments.

Really now!!! WTF and you wonder why more pople DON"T want to be TD's......

actually part of the problem was that i accidently had a master listed in the pro division and didn't realize until afterwards, which hosed the masters payout by 90$ basically. so part of it is my fault.

the other added cash was decided by craig with the majority going towards the open division. but you did get a good bit of added cash from some of us country club pros playing masters.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i think with my mistake the masters only ended up with a 106% payout(not sure where you get the negative payout bunk from nick, better check your math before shooting off mouth, maybe?) without it i think we were still a touch short at 115%. i should have mentioned that requirement to craig and keith, and I will take the blame for that.

And another thing. Before calling out a TD publicly,( which i think is the lowest class act available, and if the person so doing doesn't come back...hoooray!), you should get your facts straight. there were 19 masters and 5 ams playing up in the masters division. basically added cash. so if we include the 165.00 from the added cash players, plus the 60$ added, the TRUE event value for the 19 players in the masters division was 122%, EXACTLY in line with the PDGA guidelines even with my 90$ mistake.

Again i think publicly calling out Craig and the other hard working people who actually run the events in a sport you claim to love is low class and despicable. think about it. and get you facts straight mr. knowitall.

P.S. I speak only for myself and not for seneca or CG. :mad:

In fact, they got a negative payout. They were the only division to get this treatment. What happened?



That's the funny thing about FACTS - unless you have some to begin with - your conclusions can seldom be considered as such.

After 20 years experience Nick - and thousands of posts about "doing the right thing" in a myriad of circumstances - how did you bring yourself to post without having any FACTS on which to base your accusations?

and you are surprised?

actually part of the problem was that i accidently had a master listed in the pro division and didn't realize until afterwards, which hosed the masters payout by 90$ basically. so part of it is my fault.

the other added cash was decided by craig with the majority going towards the open division. but you did get a good bit of added cash from some of us country club pros playing masters.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i think with my mistake the masters only ended up with a 106% payout(not sure where you get the negative payout bunk from nick, better check your math before shooting off mouth, maybe?) without it i think we were still a touch short at 115%. i should have mentioned that requirement to craig and keith, and I will take the blame for that.



Please explain this:
Pro Masters 19 X $60 = $1140
Am Masters 5 X $50 = $250
Total Entry Fees Collected = $1390
Total Posted Payout To Masters Division = $1238

That�s an 89% payout of entry fees.
The other divisions without exception were well over 122% payouts using identical math.

How are masters players supposed to interpret this?

I had a great time otherwise and have said so repeatedly. This is not about me, this is about you guys making a major mistake, one that is clear as day. Instead of attacking the messenger why don�t you start convincing us that you won�t do it again and that you really don�t want to hose the masters? (Or even making it right to the masters players?)

I�m not afraid to discuss this, but there really isn�t a fat lot more that need be said.

I know you guys have some personal issues with me, but this could have come, and should have come, from a great many sources; anyone that noticed it.

I�m not going to bring it up again here unless you persist in the blame game; I just want to know that it won�t happen again. There are two more MADC events in MD that I�m hoping to attend�

Pro Masters 19 X $60 = $1140 <font color="red"> net entry fees were actually 1007 after 7$ in fees </font>
Am Masters 5 X $50 = $250 <font color="red"> actually they paid 40$ not 50, then subtract the 7$ = 165$. obviously another distortion of the actual facts by nick. wow, that's a surprise! plus since these players were trophy only and couldn't cash, they can be treated as added cash per the PDGA. i actually called them and confirmed</font>
Total Entry Fees Collected = $1007 <font color="red"> this is the net fees collected for pro masters </font>
Total Posted Payout To Masters Division = $1238

1238 is 122.9 % of 1007.

again you continue to bash the event and officials without making any REAL effort to inquire in private or to discern the actual facts. nice job nick.

personally i like to pay the pro men and women 2 shares each compared to 1 each for the protected divisions, but there is no formula provided by the pdga for that and the event organizers decided to pay the lion's share of the sponsorship to the open division which ANYONE (including you) is free to enter.

funny that you are the only one complaining nick. does that say anything to you? not only that you continue to call out tour officials in a public manner. if you think there is some impropriety, please be my guest and file a complaint with the PDGA.

Please explain this:
Pro Masters 19 X $60 = $1140
Am Masters 5 X $50 = $250
Total Entry Fees Collected = $1390
Total Posted Payout To Masters Division = $1238

That�s an 89% payout of entry fees.
The other divisions without exception were well over 122% payouts using identical math.

How are masters players supposed to interpret this?

I�m not going to bring it up again here unless you persist in the blame game; I just want to know that it won�t happen again. There are two more MADC events in MD that I�m hoping to attend�




Again - you aren't starting with accurate numbers. You have a tournament flyer which clearly states the reduced entry fee option at $40 - did you forget to look at it? Your math fails to account for tournament fees and expenses. And who exactly is blaming who? And for what?

Wow Nick, you truly are showing your ignorance. Nearly 20 years in the PDGA, and you are still unaware that there are fees associated with entering a tournament?!? And that those fees come out before the actual entry fee apportioned to the purse is determined? Oh that's right - you never actually run events - you get other people to do it for you.

I just spoke with Rich, who spoke directly with the Tour Manager David Gentry, who assured us that the Soiree payout is within the PDGA guidelines for an A Tier event. So before worrying about whether that might happen again (gee I hope it does EVERY TIME), and before making some obstreperous attempt at figuring event expenses like a 6th grader - follow your own advice and speak directly with the tournament director. That way your "facts" may actually form a basis for some concern.

I find it incredulous that YOU of all people are worried about Masters payout and added cash for protected divisions. You never cease to surprise and entertain. ROFLMFAO

Craig,

I take offense to your "6th grader" reference. I teach 6th grade math..My students would've gotten that problem right. :D4th grade maybe more accurate.

Thanks to everyone who ran the Soiree. Your hard work is appreciated and I had a great time.

I had a great time otherwise and have said so repeatedly. This is not about me, this is about you guys making a major mistake, one that is clear as day. Instead of attacking the messenger why don't you start convincing us that you won't do it again and that you really don't want to hose the masters? (Or even making it right to the masters players?)

I'm not afraid to discuss this, but there really isn't a fat lot more that need be said.

I know you guys have some personal issues with me, but this could have come, and should have come, from a great many sources; anyone that noticed it.

I'm not going to bring it up again here unless you persist in the blame game; I just want to know that it won't happen again. There are two more MADC events in MD that I'm hoping to attend.



The only 'major mistake' that is being made is how you continue to dig yourself ever deeper a hole, Nick. Whatever credibility you had remaining with your few supporters has just flown out the window. When a private e-mail or phone call would probably answer your questions, you continue to publicly attack the tournament director and publicly discredit one of the most popular tournaments in the region and tarnish its reputation, all with data that has been proven faulty from several sources.

I'm thinking that a formal complaint with the PDGA should be filed over this. This is not professional behavior from a PDGA committee leader. The Executive Director and/or Disciplinary Committee will be hearing about this.

Craig and Beth - Thanks for everything. I had a great time! Did you find your Kitty?

Glad to have you Jeannie. Kitty came home Sunday night :)

yeah, i'm glad you found your kitty, even though i didn't hear about it! having a lost pet is one of the worst experiences, i lost my puppy last year and our whole family was a mess.

and it was great to meet you jeanie!

i had a good time, even though my game wasn't that great. i prefer to play because i have fun doing it, no matter how badly i happen to shoot in a round or how little chance i have of cashing...playing with carlton, j gary, jerry, robin, and the others i played with was a great time on a fabulous sunny weekend. the last thing i can think of wanting to do would be to attack someone who made that weekend possible. i guess some people have nothing better to do.

obstreperous attempt

Dang, Craig, that is a mighty big word! You sure Nick knows what it means? Otherwise your talking to a wall and that wall it shakin' it's head, smiling and saying, uh-huh, uh'huh. I also am ROTFLMAO.

Jeannie, You are most welcome. It was a Blast. It was a rather arduous weekend, but I am glad I succumbed to the peer pressure from you, Leslie & Kelly...sheesh :D
Adventure kitty's return was a huge relief. Sign up for the WVO so we can play again together...hmm may even have enough for Adv. Masters division...oh wait that's another thread entirely. Great to see you. Be well my friend!!!!! :D

Great attitude Nick. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Way to go on ripping the TD's for a slight you feel occurred but don't have your facts straight about. Now you attack all of the TD's in MD. :mad:

I'm sure you won�t be missed if you decide not to come because MD TD's are crooked and out to hose the Masters field. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It was decided to drop the tournament to a B Tier after too many ungrateful touring pro's talked poo about the event when it was a NT. Bring it back to a localized event for the people who truly appreciate it. Now we decide to bring it back to an A Tier as it should be, and yet the whining is still there. Gee, I don't remember you complaining last year when you played like poo and didn't even come close to cashing. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I guess you don't need to fight the good fight when you are not directly involved. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Please feel free to refrain from attending all future crooked MD events. We won�t leave the lights on!

OK, I accept your numbers Rich and apologize for having raised my concerns publicly. It won't happen again. At the time, I certainly had as GREAT a weekend as anyone there.

I just hope that you can understand, how, looking at the results, it seemed pretty clear to me that the masters division got the very shortest end of the added cash payout stick. It would be nice if, in the future, this policy could be included in the flyer so we have some idea of the treatment we can expect in that regard.

certainly it wasn't my call as to how to distribute the added cash, as i only was doing scoring. But i'm sorry if i over-reacted to the public thrashing of event officials. i just don't tihnk that is right at all..

maybe a better route would be to work on getting the pdga to set some kind of standard, since most every TD basically distributes the added cash as they see fit. I run a couple small events with limited added cash now, but if i can ever raise significant added cash, i am coming over more to the school of thought that maybe 2/3 of any added cash at least should go to the open division.certainly the best masters who are taking the cash in MPM could cash in MPO. SO if it is about the cash, if the payouts in that person's relative place in MPO were greater then their payout to place highly in MPM, those top MPM players would play MPO. and if it were truly about wanting a division you can compete in and the comraderie of individuals from a like generation, they will play MPM. I had a fantastic time playing with Carlton, Jerry, J. Gary and others, as always, with no chance of cashing at all.
my best chances were to get a whipping by the course, and that happened.

I had a great time too Rich. I never intended to insult anyone, just to get an explanation of what happened.

As far as more added cash to the Open, I like Craig's old way of doing it, according to number of players per division and amount of entry fee. When spectators start paying to see Open players then they will garner more sponsorship dollars, until that time they're just like everyone else.

If the Soiree was Open only I still would likely come. I'd just like to know that it is that before hand.

At any rate, I apologize again for the fuss, I should have sent the email directly to you.

apology accepted, and again i DO apologize for making a mistake that screwed the masters field out of almost 100$ added cash. I made the cardinal mistake of not doing a count by division on the board.