discgolfreview
Jan 25 2006, 04:21 AM
this is the 3rd draft of another article that was requested covering aiming.

should have added that all of these articles will include pictoral support as soon as the snow and ice thaws.

Building Consistency: Aiming With Your Body

This article is part of a series titled �Building Consistency� that is targeted at newer and developing players. Many of the tips in this series may or may not be displayed by many of the top pros, most of which have spent years developing and honing their own technique. The purpose of this article is to provide a foundation of fundamentals on which lesser-experienced players may build and hopefully help elevate their games in the long run.

Some of the most frequent questions I am asked are �How do you aim?� and �How can I throw more accurately?� The largest part of throwing accurately is being able to consistently execute the mechanics dictating the lines you wish to throw on. It sounds simple, but many players fail to put themselves into a position to consistently hit their lines due to inconsistent body positioning during throws. While your eyes do play a part, an easy, but often over-looked factor in throwing is to aim with your body.

Disc golf is a game of repetition (with variation), and with any repetitious sporting activity, a way to increase your consistency is to remove factors of variation that can negatively affect your performance. Aiming with your body is about dictating the process of your throw using your body placement and direction. This is relevant to all types of throws: drives, approaches, and putts.

A couple of examples of this in other activities can be drawn from basketball and billiards. In basketball, nearly every action is dynamic, and while shots are often taken off balance, on the move, or while changing direction, great shooters will nearly always get their shooting shoulder and elbow squared to the hoop. This dictates the left/right accuracy of the shot and gives them the best chance of it going in. In billiards, while there are dozens of variations on the shot, a good billiards player will nearly always have their body positioned the same way, even if they are shooting a draw, with �english,� etc.

With disc, the same principles apply. There are many parts of the throw (other than the eyes) that can be referenced for aim, but three of them stand out for aiding in success and consistency in execution. The three methods of aiming are as follows: pointing with the shoulder, leading with the feet, and locking the head into the shot. I will describe each of these but I encourage you to search for your own factors that work best for your throwing style (although do keep in mind there are reasons I promote these ones in particular).

Pointing with the shoulder means that at the start of the X-step, the upper body is perpendicular to the target and the throwing shoulder is pointed at the target. I consider this to be the neutral position of the throw since it bisects the range of motion of the upper body (during the portions of the throw that affect aim) and still allows for an athletic run up. At the peak of the reach back your chest will be pointed away from the target and at the point of full extension leading into the follow through your chest will be pointing at the target. This position also reflects the upper body positioning during much of the pull through. To contrast, if you start your X-step with your chest facing the target, you will have to perform a 180-degree rotation of the upper body to get to the reach back which is both slower and leaves more time for things to go wrong. If you start your X-step with your back facing to the target, unless you are very adept at running backwards, you have eliminated much of the athletic potential of the legs.

Leading with the feet means that during the throw, the direction of the steps (and first step of the X-step in particular) will dictate the path your body will follow. If your first step leads you to the left of the target, you will be more apt to push the shot to the left. If your first step leads you to the right of the target, you will be more apt to pull the shot to the right. This can be used to your advantage when you are trying to manipulate your shot and push/pull a specific shot type vs. attempting to throw straight at the target.

Locking the head into the shot basically means that during the latter part of the throw, you want your head down and facing the direction of the shot. If your head is leaning in the wrong direction, your body is likely to follow and you will have greater tendency for errant shots. Ken Climo is one of the best examples of this. His head is always under control and on target and I believe this is something that contributes to his tremendous consistency and balance.

While people may choose different reference points for body aim, your chances of having an accurate throw are higher with these factors in place even if you are not conscious of them happening. Putting is much less dynamic of a motion and can usually get by with fewer reference points that are usually stance and alignment oriented. Ideally, with sufficient practice, the factors you choose will become integrated into your natural throwing routine.

AviarX
Jan 25 2006, 11:41 AM
It's great to have you back Blake!

discgolfreview
Jan 25 2006, 11:08 PM
thanks Rob.

Greatzky2
Jan 25 2006, 11:16 PM
Hey blake,
Good to see you again... very nice article, but i have a question about a possible TYPO.
"Pointing with the shoulder means that at the start of the X-step, the upper body is perpendicular to the target and the throwing shoulder is pointed at the target."

Should that read "Parallel to the target" ???

anyway nice article and i've been working on simplifying my throw recently and i've noticed some of what you said while trying to condense my x-step.

-Scott Lewis

paerley
Jan 25 2006, 11:17 PM
Hey blake,
Good to see you again... very nice article, but i have a question about a possible TYPO.
"Pointing with the shoulder means that at the start of the X-step, the upper body is perpendicular to the target and the throwing shoulder is pointed at the target."

Should that read "Parallel to the target" ???

anyway nice article and i've been working on simplifying my throw recently and i've noticed some of what you said while trying to condense my x-step.

-Scott Lewis



Perpendicular to a target would be a line passing through it, parallel to one would be any line that misses it.

Greatzky2
Jan 25 2006, 11:26 PM
perpendicular would mean that your chest is pointing at the target and parallel would mean that your shoulders would line up with the target.

-Scott Lewis

discgolfreview
Jan 26 2006, 02:41 AM
good catch Scott,

i struggled with the wording there. the way i had envisioned it is chest perpendicular to the line you are throwing but i guess it didn't come out right. the shoulder orientation would be parallel with the target line.

paerley
Jan 26 2006, 03:15 AM
perpendicular would mean that your chest is pointing at the target and parallel would mean that your shoulders would line up with the target.

-Scott Lewis



Hate to nitpick again, but for a line to be perpendicular to something, it must pass through it, for a line to be parallell, it must not pass through it. All be it, most people will understand the 'technically' inaccurate version much better than the accurate one, but it is just basic trig.

ToddLapham
Jan 26 2006, 08:40 AM
Don't perpendicular lines pass through each other at a 90 degree angle, not just through each other at any point. What Greatzky is saying is correct. The shoulders would be parrallel to the target. You take the line off your shoulders and a line to the basket from the teebox and they would be parrallel. If they were perpendicular your chest would be facing the target like he said.

circle_2
Jan 26 2006, 12:49 PM
Approximately at what angle should the hit take place in relation to the hips...shoulder...and the intended line of drive? In other words, where does the hit take place? Are the hips open, or opening? Is the elbow at or near extension...or not near at all?
Hope this resembles some sense as it is quite challenging to iterate...!

paerley
Jan 26 2006, 07:00 PM
To flog the offtopic horse a little more...

Considering the target to be a 'point' due to the distance you are away from it, a line from you to the basket is perpendicular to that point (passing through it) or parallel (not passing through it. Assuming the target to be a circle, your line could be one of 4 things: Perpendicular Bisecting (for a circle, which we're assuming the target to be, this is passing through the center of it, which in a straight line, means perpindicular at the intersection points on the radius), Bisecting (Passes through twice, but neither parallel or perpendicular to the circle), Tangent (touching only 1 point on the radius), or Parallel (not passing through it). We'll stick with 2 dimensions so we don't have to deal with skew as much.

As far as the parallel lines go, I did not mean to imply this leads to pointing in the furthest direction from being intersecting the target, only that, should we take the cross product(vector product, if that's your thing) of the perpendicular and the shoulder line, we'll get some non zero number. The ideal parallel number would be one that has a cross product close to zero (with respect to the line bisecting the target), and which is distanced from the bisecting line by little more than the radius of the target.

circle_2
Jan 28 2006, 01:56 PM
Blake,

Approximately at what angle should the hit take place in relation to the hips...shoulder...and the intended line of drive? In other words, where does the hit take place? Are the hips open, or opening? Is the elbow at or near extension...or not near at all?
Hope this resembles some sense as it is quite challenging to iterate...!


I've recently watched a lot of footage and have a question as to elbow orientation at the hit. It seems some DG'ers have their elbow at or near full extension placing the hit out of eyesight & off to the side (/field of vision) which means to me that less spin is imparted...(I could certainly be wrong here). If the elbow is not near full extension and the hit is taking place 'in front' of the body & w/in eyesight (rather than at the side)...then it would seem to me that there would be a better advantage taken re: wrist extension/play thus imparting more spin.

My question is whether one of these 2 styles is more advantageous or preferred?

discgolfreview
Jan 28 2006, 05:22 PM
a lot of what you are asking depends on the type of throw (body placement, open/closed stance, etc.) and the direction people are throwing it (e.g. pushing it left of their shoulder orientation, pulling it right, throwing it straight etc.)

the amount of spin imparted does not have to do with the things you are mentioning, or at least, it is not the dominant factor (it is way more dependent upon how the disc leaves the hand and the behavior of the disc from the lock release heading into the rip).

a few pictures at (or right before) the hit:
http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/images/sbrinster3-5.jpg http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/images/sbrinster2-5.jpg http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/images/bschweberger21-5.jpg http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/images/parthur3-5.jpg http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/images/mdorius1-5.jpg http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/images/mdorius3-5.jpg http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/images/jschmalfeld1-5.jpg http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/images/swisecup2-5.jpg

basically, for a hyzer, the left shoulder stays back a bit more. for an anhyzer, the left shoulder comes through more, etc.

i'd be looking more for similarities than differences, as that is where the best info comes from.
1) they are all weight forward
2) they are all in the process of pulling through the extension
3) the chest is facing nearly forward (and in the process of getting more forward)

keep in mind that the disc leaving the hand is caused by the change in direction of the arm (from forwards to the right) moreso than the elbow extension.

stevev
Jan 29 2006, 05:01 AM
Your analiyis of the the game is extrodenary! Keep it up! www.lightbulbhead.com. (http://www.lightbulbhead.com.) :cool:

circle_2
Jan 30 2006, 12:24 PM
I've recently watched a lot of footage and have a question as to elbow orientation at the hit. It seems some DG'ers have their elbow at or near full extension placing the hit out of eyesight & off to the side (/field of vision) which means to me that less spin is imparted... <font color="red">due to the disc ripping off all four fingertips nearly/more simultaneously with less(?) wrist snap </font> (I could certainly be wrong here). If the elbow is not near full extension and the hit is taking place 'in front' of the body & w/in eyesight <font color="red">(like your examples) </font> (rather than at the side)...then it would seem to me that there would be a better advantage taken re: wrist extension/play thus imparting more spin <font color="red">(due to taking advantage of wrist extension mechanics and a more progressive rip from pinkie/ring finger to index) </font> .

My question is whether one of these 2 styles is more advantageous or preferred?



Blake, thanks for your reply & patience...hope this better iterates my question.
doc

superq16504
Jan 30 2006, 03:40 PM
What I got from looking at the examples is that everyone has there left arm down usually pressed against the body, I never really paid attention to this until recently, there is a guy in town that has his left arm up over his head, It would seem to me that this would not allow him to make a full turn and impart as much initial force to the disc, Has anyone else seen this? The guy throws it 380+...

Hey Doc what does my left arm do when I drive? I cant see it. :D

discgolfreview
Jan 30 2006, 04:19 PM
the latter method you are describing is the preferred method, although it doesn't have that much affect on spin throwing either method (there are things you can do to put more/less spin on the disc).

the first method you described has been used by a few top pros (Stokely, Jarvis, etc.) but as a whole, it is a more difficult method to throw and makes it exponentially more difficult to develop snap if you didn't always have it. it also requires a slight anhyzer throw to get the nose down consistently.

james_mccaine
Jan 30 2006, 05:56 PM
I love reading about all this stuff, but I am continously baffled (and mystified) by what seem like esoteric terms. In other words, what the hell are y'all talking about? :D

I was already having trouble with "rip," "elbow extension" and "elbow orientation." Now, y'all are talking about "wrist extension" and "extension mechanics."

Seriously, I reread Dunipace talking about aiming with the "whip" and was similiarly confused by many of the same terms. However, I got the sense (probably mistakenly) that he is talking about something different than aiming with footwork or body, but aiming with what I assume might be otherwise characterized as the unhinging of the forearm. I suspect that one cannot aim with the whip without proper footwork and body alignment, rotation, and balance, so y'all might all be describing the same thing from different perspective. I don't know.

Anyways, keep em coming. Sometimes confusion leads to knowledge. ;)

Signed,

Confused in Austin

discgolfreview
Jan 30 2006, 06:19 PM
:)

i have a tendency to take a simple concept and make it complicated :P probably because i generally try to say "why you do it" instead of just "what to do." probably stems back to my elementary school days when i would say "why?" and my teacher would reply "because that's the way it is" when they couldn't give a good answer.

i guess the easiest way i could have written the article was just

1) "step in the direction you want to throw"
2) "point your body in the direction you want to throw"
3) "if your head flies all over spastically your throw will likely fly all over spastically"

the_kid
Jan 30 2006, 06:42 PM
C'mon James you are the "Legend of Austin" and you don't need this stuff. :DActually I have switched up a lot of things in my game since talking to Blake including my putt that was on all weekend even though my drive wasn't.

Call me tonight Blake. :D

quickdisc
Jan 30 2006, 10:48 PM
Aiming with body Article. Is that like really leaning into it !!!

circle_2
Jan 31 2006, 11:25 AM
it also requires a slight anhyzer throw to get the nose down consistently.


Now THERE'S a nugget of wisdom & it really helps me understand my tendencies! :cool:

discgolfreview
Jan 31 2006, 11:55 AM
a surefire "tell" of if someone is bringing the disc "through" rather than bringing the disc "around" is that players that bring the disc around their body tend to have their longest throws on grip locks, often 20% longer than their non-griplocks. bringing the disc around usually leads to late extension (or early release), and thus, late power.

Ruder
Jan 31 2006, 02:41 PM
The title of this article implies there is more than one way to aim other than with your body. I'm RHBH and am also blind in my right eye. Does everyone peak out of the corner of their eye at what they aim at? I just line up straight at it and throw it on what feels like the right line.

Greatzky2
Jan 31 2006, 04:32 PM
Disco: since you asked i'll tell you what I do.. I start with my shoulders and legs aimed at the target.. then i do my small x-step while turning my head away from the target to square up with my body.. when i release i bring my head back around.. It seems that if i keep my head looking at the target or try to look to early i will pull the disc. THat's one of my problems i'm working on. It's amazing how such a small thing as where your head is can have such a huge effect on how you throw.

-Scott Lewis

Jan 31 2006, 05:01 PM
The title of this article implies there is more than one way to aim other than with your body. I'm RHBH and am also blind in my right eye. Does everyone peak out of the corner of their eye at what they aim at? I just line up straight at it and throw it on what feels like the right line.



Keep doing what you're doing. You're rated higher than most these people anyway. I just visualize my line, relax, and execute. Screw all this nonsense.