In a perfect world and if each driver could be thrown at optimum conditions. Which disc do you think would go the longest distance?

Champ Starfire or SFX.
Maybe Star Wraith, but I havent thrown it yet.

Pro wraith hands down.

Pro wraith hands down.


But what if you throw with hands up? :eek:

at optimum conditions


That would mean in a vacuum with infinite gravitational force in the direction of the line of force of the "throw" (and no other gravity in any other direction), and every disc would travel the same distance. :confused:

at optimum conditions


That would mean in a vacuum with infinite gravitational force in the direction of the line of force of the "throw" (and no other gravity in any other direction), and every disc would travel the same distance. :confused:



In this instance, it would be an UltraStar. It has the largest diameter of any disc I have ever thrown. So if the mid point of every disc ended up on the same line the UltraStar would win because it is bigger.

"I am the longest driver where I work :D"

in a vacuum



How about on a level soccer field with <1mph of tailwind

in a vacuum



How about on a level soccer field with <1mph of tailwind



My thoughts exactly.

When you say optimum conditions...does that include the throwing motion, power, snap, etc.?

I like some of the old school molds...so I am going with a valk or teebird...dx plastic.

Well, I haven't thrown every driver but I've thrown a few, and I'm convinced that if I threw every driver I am familiar with the exact same way in the same conditions the longest would probably be the Star Orc.

In a perfect world and if each driver could be thrown at optimum conditions. Which disc do you think would go the longest distance?



Ok this is fairly easy. DX valks, Dx Teebirds, Pro Orcs. Yeah the wraith goes far but it does not have as much potential D as these discs. :o

Eclipse.........hands down.

my absolute longest throws were dx orcs. But for everygame use, it's the proline wraith without question.

He was wondering with optimum conditions though. The new style Illusions I just recieved were outdriving wraiths on golf shot lines by about 25ft and they were within ten feet on D lines.

My Longest throws have been with Pro Wraiths. But Orcs are still my main distance driver in my bag.

I used to love Orcs too but they are not very high speed stable and low speed overstable so it has too much movement throughout its flight for me.

Champ Starfire or SFX.
Maybe Star Wraith, but I havent thrown it yet.



don't you mean Champ SL or Champ Starfire? :confused:
i thought Dave said it is just like a TL and a TeeBird
(we don't call regular TeeBirds TX's ;) )

i vote for the Pro Orc or Champ Wraith

Champ Starfire or SFX.
Maybe Star Wraith, but I havent thrown it yet.



don't you mean Champ SL or Champ Starfire? :confused:
i thought Dave said it is just like a TL and a TeeBird
(we don't call regular TeeBirds TX's ;) )



There are three variations of the Starfire in the champion plastic...SL, SF and SX. The SF are the normal run Starfires...then there was the SL and SX to give a slight more high speed stable or a slight more high speed understable. The Champ SL's are the bomb.

Champ Starfire or SFX.
Maybe Star Wraith, but I havent thrown it yet.



don't you mean Champ SL or Champ Starfire? :confused:
i thought Dave said it is just like a TL and a TeeBird
(we don't call regular TeeBirds TX's ;) )

i vote for the Pro Orc or Champ Wraith



The better plastics like Champ, Star, Z, Or E do not have as much potential as lower line plastics. :o

at optimum conditions


That would mean in a vacuum with infinite gravitational force in the direction of the line of force of the "throw" (and no other gravity in any other direction), and every disc would travel the same distance. :confused:



In this instance, it would be an UltraStar. It has the largest diameter of any disc I have ever thrown. So if the mid point of every disc ended up on the same line the UltraStar would win because it is bigger.

"I am the longest driver where I work :D"





In that case i'll take the Saucer Tosser :o

There are three variations of the Starfire in the champion plastic...SL, SF and SX. The SF are the normal run Starfires...then there was the SL and SX to give a slight more high speed stable or a slight more high speed understable. The Champ SL's are the bomb.



Hold on. All Pro Starfires are the SL mold (even though they may say "SF" on the bottom). Correct me if i am wrong -- but there are no Starfire-X's -- it's just that some people are calling regular Starfires "Starfire-X"s to differentiate them from the SL's. I have two cfr Champ. Starfires (which some are calling Starfire-X's (they have a slightly concave lip whereas the SL's have a flat lip). What type of lip does this Starfire X have :confused: (or are you referring to the first run of regular Champ (cfr) Starfires which were the most stable?)

Dave D calls them SL's and Starfires not SL's and Starfire-X's -- he said it is just like TL's and Teebirds (regular TeeBirds are not called Teebird-X's). (L standing for Less stable). The Starfire will be released in STAR plastic as a Star Starfire (regular) and a Star SL (less stable mold -- like the Pros were run in).

If you have any SB Orcs you want to trade for my slightly used cfr 2005 Washington State Series hotstamp Champ Starfires (concave lip) let me know... or I'd trade both for an SB Roc...

at optimum conditions


That would mean in a vacuum with infinite gravitational force in the direction of the line of force of the "throw" (and no other gravity in any other direction), and every disc would travel the same distance. :confused:



In this instance, it would be an UltraStar. It has the largest diameter of any disc I have ever thrown. So if the mid point of every disc ended up on the same line the UltraStar would win because it is bigger.

"I am the longest driver where I work :D"


The largest diameter disc that I still have is an old Innova Lynx. I think the diameter wins! :)

The three versions of the Starfire as far as I am concerned:

First Run. The first version of the Starfire. Flew very similar to an orignal Beast, but had problems into a headwind. It was simply finnicky into a headwind, sometimes stable, sometimes not, depending on the nose angle.

Second Run. This is what people call the Starfire X. The headwind Starfire. With a lip reminiscent of the Teebird and Orc, these things rock. Great in all conditions, slight highspeed turn, but fight a headwind well with a little added hyzer.

SL. The Pro Starfire and the Champion SL use this mold. This is a better driver for less powerful players. Lots of glide, and just enough turn. Great tailwind driver for harder throwers, probably not the first choice into a headwind if you can throw them 400 feet. These are more of a turnover driver, but they can be thrown straight with enough hyzer or less power. Pro Starfires are responsible for lots of personal bests. Lots of dome and great speed means they work great for distance or for less experienced players.

Hope that helps.

at optimum conditions


That would mean in a vacuum with infinite gravitational force in the direction of the line of force of the "throw" (and no other gravity in any other direction), and every disc would travel the same distance. :confused:



In this instance, it would be an UltraStar. It has the largest diameter of any disc I have ever thrown. So if the mid point of every disc ended up on the same line the UltraStar would win because it is bigger.

"I am the longest driver where I work :D"


The largest diameter disc that I still have is an old Innova Lynx. I think the diameter wins! :)



Actually the APPLE is a bigger disc. :o

dx beast

I would choose Orcs, but lately I have thrown Starfires, my max is roughly 500 ft, last summer. Now Wraith came up in the market. yet, my constant farthest throws is Champion Orc 174g

DeafDGolfer

"any day is a perfect day for disc golfing"

dx beast



Nope that's innovas best golf shot disc though. I used to use them for my big D

The three versions of the Starfire as far as I am concerned:

First Run. The first version of the Starfire. Flew very similar to an orignal Beast, but had problems into a headwind. It was simply finnicky into a headwind, sometimes stable, sometimes not, depending on the nose angle.

Second Run. This is what people call the Starfire X. The headwind Starfire. With a lip reminiscent of the Teebird and Orc, these things rock. Great in all conditions, slight highspeed turn, but fight a headwind well with a little added hyzer.

SL. The Pro Starfire and the Champion SL use this mold. This is a better driver for less powerful players. Lots of glide, and just enough turn. Great tailwind driver for harder throwers, probably not the first choice into a headwind if you can throw them 400 feet. These are more of a turnover driver, but they can be thrown straight with enough hyzer or less power. Pro Starfires are responsible for lots of personal bests. Lots of dome and great speed means they work great for distance or for less experienced players.

Hope that helps.



The first run type is out of production though right? Dave said Innova will stamp two versions -- Star SL's and Star Starfires. The SL's will be the less stable (hence the "L") mold and the Starfires will be the more stable mold (good headwind disc).
As with TeeBirds and Firebirds there is no X mold per se, the regular mold is just sometimes called X to differentiate it from the less stable L mold.

I like the idea that the Star Starfires in the L mold will just say SL. it is a bit confusing though to have the Pro Starfires not say SL too. ;) add in talk of a non-existent third X mold, and the confusion builds :D

i have two of the cfr second run Starfires (concave lip) that are the nice and stable regular version (good into a wind).

I don't really know whats up... I see people post on here saying they get +500 and d@mn.... if thats the case anyway, I have a hard time hitting 350 but as I have figured out I'm not a bad player (if I'm on my game which is rare)

But what I'm concerned about is people saying that lower line plastic is better concerning "D". I don't have the experience to dispute this, however, I carry all Candy, Champion, or Star plastic. Is it enough of a difference in the plastics to be hurting my game? Even by a stroke or two? Or is it 10 feet here or there?

Just wondering

I don't really know whats up... I see people post on here saying they get +500 and d@mn.... if thats the case anyway, I have a hard time hitting 350 but as I have figured out I'm not a bad player (if I'm on my game which is rare)




I haven't seen anyone on here who can throw 500+/
But what I'm concerned about is people saying that lower line plastic is better concerning "D". I don't have the experience to dispute this, however, I carry all Candy, Champion, or Star plastic. Is it enough of a difference in the plastics to be hurting my game? Even by a stroke or two? Or is it 10 feet here or there?

Just wondering




I haven't seen anyone on here who can throw 500+. My best is 496 in a recorded comp.

Matt...are you referring to the people in this thread? Or just in general. I know that are some that can. MDR3000 can bomb it over 500 with relative ease. And that is on a course too...not just distance competitions. But for the most part...Matt is right...not too many can toss it over 500 on the course.

In repsonse to Dan's question...when playing on a course, the type of plastic that you throw doesn't really affect your score a whole lot. I could have a bag full of dx/pro-d/s or a bag full of champion/z/e and I don't think I would that great of a variation in scores. The type of plastic that you throw is really what you feel most comfortable with.

But for you Dan...I think that you throw too overstable of plastic and too heavy of plastic for your arm speed. I think you should make that CE EL or that CE TL that I sold you, your main driver. I think you would see a considerable difference in your scores.

AviarX- There are 3 different Starfire molds.

1st Run- SF -comes in CFR champ plastic. Original mold. Soon to be a regular run CHampion. Underside of lip is fairly flat.

2nd Run- SFX (or SX) Comes in CFR champ plastic. Much more stable than regular SF. My personal favorite. Underside of lip is slightly concave.

3rd Run- SL -Comes in Pro and CFR champ plastic. Less stable than SF. The underside of lip is flat but different than that of SF.


Soon, they will be putting out SF and SL in the new Star plastic. SFX stays at CFR.

The SFX feel identical to an Orc and imo flies just like it too. My Wraiths are getting out past 500 quite often on the course. Haven't tried thowing it for just distance yet but im sure its the longest.

AviarX- There are 3 different Starfire molds.

1st Run- SF -comes in CFR champ plastic. Original mold. Soon to be a regular run CHampion. Underside of lip is fairly flat.

2nd Run- SFX (or SX) Comes in CFR champ plastic. Much more stable than regular SF. My personal favorite. Underside of lip is slightly concave.

3rd Run- SL -Comes in Pro and CFR champ plastic. Less stable than SF. The underside of lip is flat but different than that of SF.


Soon, they will be putting out SF and SL in the new Star plastic. SFX stays at CFR.



Everything you say is correct except that it is the second run, not the first, that has been put into production. The first run Starfires were finnicky into a wind. They will either remain in the CFR program or come up for sale through zonedrive or discgolfvalues. There are not that many left. The Champion Starfires, (which is the x type) will be available next week in our regular product line.

I don't really know whats up... I see people post on here saying they get +500 and d@mn.... if thats the case anyway, I have a hard time hitting 350 but as I have figured out I'm not a bad player (if I'm on my game which is rare)




I haven't seen anyone on here who can throw 500+/
But what I'm concerned about is people saying that lower line plastic is better concerning "D". I don't have the experience to dispute this, however, I carry all Candy, Champion, or Star plastic. Is it enough of a difference in the plastics to be hurting my game? Even by a stroke or two? Or is it 10 feet here or there?

Just wondering




I haven't seen anyone on here who can throw 500+. My best is 496 in a recorded comp.



Billy Lund (Billy HO) OK state distance Champ 570'.

He will most likely break 600' at states this year.

Yeah Billy Lund, Coda, Nolan and Clayton can all throw over 500'. However, many people think they can and they would be surprised if they actually measured it.

I've thrown right at 400' on a few occassions. But I'm a happy ~350' capabable thrower. Sometimes even less than that.

The Orc is the longest for me, mainly because I rarely have a need for 40 extra feet. I acurately throw it around 425 - 450. There is not much need for 40 more feet on top of that.

The best distance driver out there is decided by the individual. I throw both Starfire and Wraith, both of which are good for many different shots over 400'. Starfires are good for s-ing shots and turnovers, they hold a great line in low wind siutations. With the wraith, I tend to use it more for all out distance; great for hyzers (especially the CFR). Both are great. Never got used to an Orc, but Brain says it works, that must be the TTruth!

Now that I'm an old man, (30), I have not been able to hit 500 in a while. Since the Sprectra came out, I have hit 500 many times.
Like Schweb stated, there really is no need for "500". A few holes at the Playa's Cup called for wide open cranks, that is where I hit 500. Throw a consistant 400-425 ft "golf shot" and you're on you're way.
Give me a Pred/Avenger/Crush/Tracker anyday for golfshots.
Happy New Year

I'm a little bored so I will post here. Speaking for the over 50 year old gang, this new plastic is amazing. I am throwing farther than ever before. I am Innovacentric, so the discs that I can get over 400' with are the Orc and the Wraith. I especially like the Champion Orc and the Pro line Wraith and am currently experimenting with the Star Wraith, but I don't know if I am man enough for it or not yet!!!!

I have thrown 525' in a distance competition but this was with a slight tailwind. I agree that you shouldnt worry about max d b/c it is hard to control and is of little necessity on the golf course. I throw Teebirds for most drives because I can throw them 420' accurately. I occasionally throw an champion orc or starfire on long holes depending on the fairway.

The SFX feel identical to an Orc and imo flies just like it too. My Wraiths are getting out past 500 quite often on the course. Haven't tried thowing it for just distance yet but im sure its the longest.



C'mon littler Salazar are they really going 500'? I don't know anyone in TX who can get 500ft on a golf-shot line. Ian says he can but I throw farther than him, Ware doesn't know what a golf shot is, and Nolan would be the only person that comes close IMO. Oh yeah Olse can rip up there too. :D

Clayton can throw over 500' but that may not be considered a "golf" shot. Nolan definetly can. I have seen it countless times.

Out of state: I really think Daniel Stacey can throw a 500' golf shot. I have seen him throw some really sick shots. Coda probably can but most of the time I see him throw over 500' is on a big S curve.

I've never played with Clayton but I have played with Nolan and the only time he threw over 450' was with a fairly high S curve. The only time I have played with Danny the longest hole we played was like 470 so i could judge based on that.

But what I'm concerned about is people saying that lower line plastic is better concerning "D". I don't have the experience to dispute this, however, I carry all Candy, Champion, or Star plastic. Is it enough of a difference in the plastics to be hurting my game? Even by a stroke or two? Or is it 10 feet here or there?

Just wondering



I throw all Champion/Z plastic except for my putter, which is Pro-D. While playing golf, the type of plastic does not matter. In a round of golf, it does not matter what your longest throw is, because on a 500ft hole, if you can only throw 350, followed by a 150ft upshot, then you would get the same score as the guy who threw 450ft, because not many people make 50ft putts a lot.

I throw Candy plastic because it does not beat up as quickly, and I do not like the feel of a beat up disc in my hand.

However during a distance competition, I will throw DX Beasts and Orcs. Distance comps are on grassy feilds so the discs do not get beaten up very much.

I have heard it said that the roughness of the D-DX plastic creates small pockets of air around the disc giving the disc more glide then a smooth candy or midgrade disc. The effect is the same as dimples on golf balls.

But in all reality, this does not give you more effectively competitive golf distance. My normal golf course long drives are between 380-420ft with a Z-Avenger or Champion Beast, depending if my amateur arm releases at the right height. In distance competitions my farthest measured throw is 459ft on flat ground. That 40ft on a golf course is not worth damaging discs and losing accuracy

The SFX feel identical to an Orc and imo flies just like it too. My Wraiths are getting out past 500 quite often on the course. Haven't tried thowing it for just distance yet but im sure its the longest.



C'mon littler Salazar are they really going 500'? I don't know anyone in TX who can get 500ft on a golf-shot line. Ian says he can but I throw farther than him, Ware doesn't know what a golf shot is, and Nolan would be the only person that comes close IMO. Oh yeah Olse can rip up there too. :D


I had at least 2 shots over 500 at TX States, but that is a course where you can just throw a bomb and not worry about hitting much :D:D You don't think R Bratten can thow a 500 ft. golf shot?

The SFX feel identical to an Orc and imo flies just like it too. My Wraiths are getting out past 500 quite often on the course. Haven't tried thowing it for just distance yet but im sure its the longest.



He has trouble throwing low but he can throw a 450' hyzer.
C'mon littler Salazar are they really going 500'? I don't know anyone in TX who can get 500ft on a golf-shot line. Ian says he can but I throw farther than him, Ware doesn't know what a golf shot is, and Nolan would be the only person that comes close IMO. Oh yeah Olse can rip up there too. :D


I had at least 2 shots over 500 at TX States, but that is a course where you can just throw a bomb and not worry about hitting much :D:D You don't think R Bratten can thow a 500 ft. golf shot?

:D

I've never played with Clayton but I have played with Nolan and the only time he threw over 450' was with a fairly high S curve. The only time I have played with Danny the longest hole we played was like 470 so i could judge based on that.



I have seen Nolan park hole 12 long at Veterans on a hyzer line. It was really sick.

Erron can throw 500'. He can park a 425' hole as well. Some one tell me what a golf shot is.

Some one tell me what a golf shot is.



Golf Shot - When you are concerned with accuracy, landing zones, tree/obstacles and penalties, instead of just cranking out the disc as far as you can throw it.

There are some courses that have holes where you can crank out a monster throw and not be penalized if the disc doesn't land where you specifically dictated.

It all has to do with surface friction....lower line plastic has more of it which makes the discs slightly slower and more controlable.

Stop Hijacking this thread and making it a Pissing Contest that none of you are even involved in.. THis is like a bad version of Children going "My dad can kick your dad's butt."

THis is a thread about the longest drivers on the market.. NOt who has the bigger weddint tackle..


-Scott Lewis

Erron can throw 500'. He can park a 425' hole as well. Some one tell me what a golf shot is.



See that's funny because so many people around here say "Man that was like 550'" when I throw a drive that was like 450' and most people just don't know how far 500' is. At AM worlds this year only 3 people threw over 500' in the D contest. Also Coda measured around 530' in recent D contest and Lund had 570' and Billy is the longest thrower I have ever seen and the only person I know that can throw 500' on a golf shot line. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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I don't really know whats up... I see people post on here saying they get +500 and d@mn.... if thats the case anyway, I have a hard time hitting 350 but as I have figured out I'm not a bad player (if I'm on my game which is rare)




I haven't seen anyone on here who can throw 500+/
But what I'm concerned about is people saying that lower line plastic is better concerning "D". I don't have the experience to dispute this, however, I carry all Candy, Champion, or Star plastic. Is it enough of a difference in the plastics to be hurting my game? Even by a stroke or two? Or is it 10 feet here or there?

Just wondering




I haven't seen anyone on here who can throw 500+. My best is 496 in a recorded comp.



Dang you! My longest recorded in distance comp is only 494'! You got me by 2 feet!

In non-comp distance I have put it out further and measured, but I won't bother stating the D because then ppl will tell me I'm lying!

Anyhow my longest drivers are Z-Predators and Z-Tsunamis.

I have a different style of throwing than most, so the discs I throw aren't great nominees for the "Longest Driver" question. From watching other people throw I'd say that the Pro Wraith, and the Pro Starfire are probably the longest flying drivers for golf shots for most people's form.

Pure distance throwing is a different animal that few ppl understand well enough to make a good judgement on which disc is best.

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I don't really know whats up... I see people post on here saying they get +500 and d@mn.... if thats the case anyway, I have a hard time hitting 350 but as I have figured out I'm not a bad player (if I'm on my game which is rare)




I haven't seen anyone on here who can throw 500+/
But what I'm concerned about is people saying that lower line plastic is better concerning "D". I don't have the experience to dispute this, however, I carry all Candy, Champion, or Star plastic. Is it enough of a difference in the plastics to be hurting my game? Even by a stroke or two? Or is it 10 feet here or there?

Just wondering




I haven't seen anyone on here who can throw 500+. My best is 496 in a recorded comp.



Dang you! My longest recorded in comp is only 494'! You got me by 2 feet!

In non-comp distance I have put it out further and measured, but I won't bother stating the D because then ppl will tell me I'm lying! :)

Both throws were with 174g Z-Predators.




Yeah same here I measured nearly 550' on a feild a week ago and yes we have it marked out. That was in a like 30mph wind though so it was a little flukie. :D

For me it seems like the proline wraith has the most potential. I've put it out 410 feet on a drive that went too low and never had a chance to level out and come back... On a field I've thrown 445' but no further... I feel like I could really bomb some further if I could get the arm angle right, but I'm always throwing it up too high or down too low, the issue is never the snap or arm speed... meh.


-Chris.

I tried the wraith with a few distance drives, but i don't really like it. I honestly am not a big fan of any highspeed drivers (flash/orc/beast/wraith/etc).. I only carry teebirds and a sidewinder that i'm testing out.

I couldn't get the wraith to go any further than my teebirds....

-Scott Lewis

I tried the wraith with a few distance drives, but i don't really like it. I honestly am not a big fan of any highspeed drivers (flash/orc/beast/wraith/etc).. I only carry teebirds and a sidewinder that i'm testing out.

I couldn't get the wraith to go any further than my teebirds....

-Scott Lewis


With all honesty... I am starting to agree. I absolutely hate the Champ Teebird, but I love the Glow... and I'm starting to love the Star plastic one. But I've put the teebird out there 400 feet before. I just can't seem to put down the Wraith on those long throws... it just feels right for some reason, even though I can't get it much further than I have the teebird.

if u cant get the wraith to go any further than your teebirds, what is your incentive to throw it?

i love throwing, but have trouble with the hi-speed drivers as well. i found the avenger to be the best of the bunch. closest thing to a faster teebird. x is like dx stability-wise, and z is like the 11x or champ

if u cant get the wraith to go any further than your teebirds, what is your incentive to throw it?


Stubborn idiocy. :DMy best trait!

The longest golf shot I ever threw was with a first run red Z-Wildcat. I was able to birdy a 565 foot hole with a 25 foot putt in competition. It was one of those once in a lifetime shots were everything went perfect. Lately, I've been getting my best distance with candy tsunamis, Z-Wildcats, and X-Avengers.

Don't forget Robbie B. in that list of Texans/Oklahomidians that can throw golf shots over 500 feet.

(Gotta plug the family :D)

My pro wraith is beating my cfr wraith which surpassed my orcs by about 25 feet with more predictable low speed fade.
HOWEVER those retooled beasts, with the right amount of space to work with are rivalling my pro wraith. I'm sure with some practice with all that glide, the new beast will be the longest in the bag :o

Now that I'm an old man, (30), I have not been able to hit 500 in a while. Since the Sprectra came out, I have hit 500 many times.
Like Schweb stated, there really is no need for "500". A few holes at the Playa's Cup called for wide open cranks, that is where I hit 500. Throw a consistant 400-425 ft "golf shot" and you're on you're way.
Give me a Pred/Avenger/Crush/Tracker anyday for golfshots.
Happy New Year

Ya see now here is a playa who knows what he is talking about.