Nov 17 2005, 12:56 AM
What is the quickest way to evenly beat in your discs so that they fly a bit more understable?

dannyreeves
Nov 17 2005, 01:05 AM
What kind of disc?

Nov 17 2005, 11:52 AM
Find a grove of trees and throw it at them. You always run the risk of taking chunks out of your plastic as opposed to just beating it but that's not always a bad thing. I've got some pretty ugly discs that do exactly what I want them to.

NEngle
Nov 17 2005, 12:01 PM
Place it on a concrete tee pad. With your foot, rub it on the pad gently a couple of times.

cbdiscpimp
Nov 17 2005, 12:07 PM
What is the quickest way to evenly beat in your discs so that they fly a bit more understable?



Throw them in the clothes drier with a couple pairs of tennis shoes and turn it on the no heat setting!!! Run for a while take out and test throw. If not beat enough repeat untill desired beatness is attained :D

dannyreeves
Nov 17 2005, 12:33 PM
Why don't you go to your home course and play a round with only that disc? If it is a DX or Pro D disc, you would be surprised at how beat up it can get after a couple rounds. Plus, you get the added bonus of learning a lot about that disc.

Nov 17 2005, 12:36 PM
bending the nose down will make your disc understable.

Nov 17 2005, 12:46 PM
I normally don't worry about beating in a disc; simply play a round with nothing but that disc (even putt with it).

I don't like purposely throwing it into a tree; I did this with my demon to loosen it up, and it's missing a piece now....

Also, throwing rollers seems to work (throw a thumbers if you know how to do that).

Making the disc land on edge beats it up well.

dm4
Nov 17 2005, 12:46 PM
You could just buy a disc that is understable /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nov 17 2005, 12:49 PM
You could just buy a disc that is understable /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Not sure he wants understable. Just to straighten out that one a bit.

tafe
Nov 17 2005, 02:21 PM
I go to a trail in a forest preserve by my house. It's about 8-10 feet wide and nothing but trees any wider. I then try to keep it on the trail, hitting trees along the way. Not only do I get practice, but I can stop when I get it to the beatness I want. Anything "faster" and I don't know what's going to happen.

dannyreeves
Nov 17 2005, 02:26 PM
I normally don't worry about beating in a disc; simply play a round with nothing but that disc (even putt with it).

I don't like purposely throwing it into a tree; I did this with my demon to loosen it up, and it's missing a piece now....

Also, throwing rollers seems to work (throw a thumbers if you know how to do that).

Making the disc land on edge beats it up well.



I do think this is the best way. I also have tried taking medium sized rocks and throwing in on the disc. Sometimes big rocks, but that is still kinda risky. I did it with an X-Comet, which is a little more durable plastic than DX or D.

The kind of plastic definetly matters. If you want to beat up a Z of Champion disc, playing a round or 2 with it may not do anything. You will have to get more harsh on the durable discs.

Nov 17 2005, 02:33 PM
I know someone used to put a 50 pound weight in the center overnight, and then an 80 pund weight the next night. Never scene firebirds flip like that.

dannyreeves
Nov 17 2005, 02:36 PM
Disc golfers can be creative. lol

I have seen Nolan run over an Aero with a car until it was how he wanted it. :p

Nov 17 2005, 04:48 PM
I wasn't thinking about the plastic. I assumed it would be d or x. I've been working on breaking in a z zpress to make it turn harder right. It's been a year, and it's still relatively straight.

I had forgotten how overstable my x avenger was originally before breaking it in. It seems that they lose stability as they break in. My x avenger became straight pretty quick, but it took some work to get it to turn right.

Also, if you want a less stability on that disc, you can try to get it in a lighter weight.

quickdisc
Nov 17 2005, 04:51 PM
I like , sliding mine down the hall ways at a local elementary school . Smooth concrete does the trick every time !!!!! :D

Just kidding !!!! :eek:

Nov 17 2005, 05:36 PM
Take the disc and toss it up and let it hit the ground several times. Not understable enough...repeat. Vooala! No nicks or dings.

Nov 17 2005, 06:18 PM
Disc golfers can be creative. lol

I have seen Nolan run over an Aero with a car until it was how he wanted it. :p



hmmm, maybe I will park the car on my h spirit tonight. That mixed with the cold weather should be me some result, good, bad, only time will tell.

Nov 17 2005, 07:27 PM
Put it in a pillow case and beat it on the ground. worked pretty well for my Z-XS.

ChunkyleeChong
Nov 17 2005, 07:38 PM
I put my discs into a fire until they melt and warp out of shape and then once they cool I work them back to their original shape with my fingers. Once they are totally cooled off I then draw the Hotstamp back on with a sharpie

jaxx
Nov 17 2005, 07:56 PM
i let my cousin play with my new discs i want to get beaten.
he hasnt been playing long and hits a lot of trees. right now he's working on an 11x roc for me.

the_kid
Nov 17 2005, 08:23 PM
I put my discs into a fire until they melt and warp out of shape and then once they cool I work them back to their original shape with my fingers. Once they are totally cooled off I then draw the Hotstamp back on with a sharpie



OR NOT!!!

I just bend the nose down until it flies how I want and you can always bend it back to its original stability. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

dannyreeves
Nov 17 2005, 10:17 PM
I put my discs into a fire until they melt and warp out of shape and then once they cool I work them back to their original shape with my fingers. Once they are totally cooled off I then draw the Hotstamp back on with a sharpie



LMAO! I think that is how the prototype Epic was made. :D

Parkntwoputt
Nov 18 2005, 08:49 AM
Buy less stable plastic
Buy lighter plastic.

It helps to know the limits of you capabilities in throwing discs. IE. Stop trying to make a Firebird be a Valkrie. (I know you may not be trying to do this but it was just an example).

I only carry two discs that would be considered beat up, I call it heavily used. A light 172g Z-Buzzz for flip shots or tight turns. A 171g SE Leopard for rollers. I also have a slightly beat 178g Z-Buzzz for dead straight/no fade shots, and a slightly beat 178g Z-Wasp for shots to flex out and come back strong. Everything else in the bag is brand new. I cannot stand throwing beat up drivers, it feels so inconsistent to me.

But one thing you can do is try to taco the disc with your hands, bending it back and forth while moving your hands around the disc to bend it at all angles, remember to bend it back to straight. This works will with Z/Champion plastic. I do not know how it would do with D/DX or Elite X/Pro Line plastic because I do not throw that stuff. (Execption of a Pro-D Challenger for putts).

Nov 18 2005, 10:42 AM
I cannot stand throwing beat up drivers, it feels so inconsistent to me.




I find that beat up overstable discs in standard plastic are my most consistant discs. In fact, overall I find that beat up discs are more consistant than new ones. Once a disc gets beat in some it doesn't change as much when you damage it as much as it changes when it's new. Also, by that time you know the disc really well. So you end up with a disc that you're the most familiar with that changes the least.

Nov 18 2005, 12:32 PM
Buy less stable plastic
Buy lighter plastic.

It helps to know the limits of you capabilities in throwing discs. IE. Stop trying to make a Firebird be a Valkrie. (I know you may not be trying to do this but it was just an example).





Sometimes you want to just "straighten" a disc just a tad. Like my x avengers...I like them, but I prefer them a little more stable than they come in the box. It also makes them go further.

dannyreeves
Nov 18 2005, 01:18 PM
Buy less stable plastic
Buy lighter plastic.

It helps to know the limits of you capabilities in throwing discs. IE. Stop trying to make a Firebird be a Valkrie. (I know you may not be trying to do this but it was just an example).





Sometimes you want to just "straighten" a disc just a tad. Like my x avengers...I like them, but I prefer them a little more stable than they come in the box. It also makes them go further.



Yes and many people want to have a consistant release with their discs and adding more molds and a wider weight range will not help with that.

JEEPXJ420
Nov 18 2005, 01:23 PM
let my cousin play with my new discs i want to get beaten.
he hasnt been playing long and hits a lot of trees. right now he's working on an 11x roc for me.



Got anymore cousins that wanna play? I gotta couple of discs. Well it really doesn't matter I hit enough Sh*T with them anyways

Nov 18 2005, 02:07 PM
Yes and many people want to have a consistant release with their discs and adding more molds and a wider weight range will not help with that.



That's what I was trying to say. By carrying varying beatness of the same mold, I have become much more consistent.

Parkntwoputt
Nov 18 2005, 03:31 PM
Yes and many people want to have a consistant release with their discs and adding more molds and a wider weight range will not help with that.



That's what I was trying to say. By carrying varying beatness of the same mold, I have become much more consistent.



Yep, but carrying many molds I have been able to hone in on consistent release angles. Now, when I want a 30degree anhyzer I can do it. Because I have practiced controlling my shots at a particular release angle (mainly flat) and having the disc do the work.

However, having many different weights and degrees of beatness of one mold (say 5 teebirds) is the same as having a Talon, a Teebird, a XL, an Express, and a Leopard. You still have 5 discs in your bag. The only difference between having one mold vs 5 molds is the feel in your hand. Get used to holding different discs, and you can properly throw multiple molds consistently.

It is the indian not the arrow, chief.

dannyreeves
Nov 18 2005, 03:59 PM
Yes and many people want to have a consistant release with their discs and adding more molds and a wider weight range will not help with that.



That's what I was trying to say. By carrying varying beatness of the same mold, I have become much more consistent.



Yep, but carrying many molds I have been able to hone in on consistent release angles. Now, when I want a 30degree anhyzer I can do it. Because I have practiced controlling my shots at a particular release angle (mainly flat) and having the disc do the work.

However, having many different weights and degrees of beatness of one mold (say 5 teebirds) is the same as having a Talon, a Teebird, a XL, an Express, and a Leopard. You still have 5 discs in your bag. The only difference between having one mold vs 5 molds is the feel in your hand. Get used to holding different discs, and you can properly throw multiple molds consistently.

It is the indian not the arrow, chief.



You are talking about a completely opposite theory.

There are 2 main theories on this.
1. Learn how to throw a few discs with a lot of different release angles and power variations.
2. Throw with very little variation and change the disc to get the flight you want.

I am not going to tell you that the 2nd theory is wrong, mainly because I really don't care what you do. However, I used to be in the school of thought and it was really bad for my game. I was constantly walking off the teebox, scratching my head because the disc did not do what it was supposed to.

The problem with the "more discs" theory is that you WILL NOT learn to throw that many discs as effectively as you think you can. Let me say that again, WILL NOT. If we played disc golf indoors, I would say it is a possibility, but when you have to factor in wind (also height the disc needs to fly), you are getting into very unreliable territory. There are some times that it is perfect to take my roller disc and throw it with a lot of hyzer, so that it flips flat and then rolls right to the basket. Change the wind just a little bit and I am throwing a Predator with a ton of anhyzer to create the same end result.

The point is, consistancy is the most important factor in successfully throwing a disc (after you learn the basic skills). The more different discs you throw the less you are going to know each disc. That is just an obvious fact. Unless you have the time and patience to take every disc you have, get 4 or 5 more of each mold, and practice throwing each specific mold with your "standard release angle" into all directions of wind, many different levels of height, and different distances.

But like I said, I really don't care what you do. That is just what I figured out when I used to carry 20+ discs and 10+ different molds.

Nov 18 2005, 05:34 PM
What is the quickest way to evenly beat in your discs so that they fly a bit more understable?

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I have a machine for that.

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http://www.zyworld.com/IvorBuckingham/WarpedDisc.jpg

ChunkyleeChong
Nov 18 2005, 05:55 PM
Wow, is that the EvenBeat 6000? Weren't those banned!

m_conners
Nov 18 2005, 06:21 PM
What is the quickest way to evenly beat in your discs so that they fly a bit more understable?

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I have a machine for that.

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http://www.zyworld.com/IvorBuckingham/WarpedDisc.jpg



Wow, what the he11 is that?!!!?

dannyreeves
Nov 18 2005, 06:49 PM
What is the quickest way to evenly beat in your discs so that they fly a bit more understable?

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I have a machine for that.

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http://www.zyworld.com/IvorBuckingham/WarpedDisc.jpg



Wow, what the he11 is that?!!!?



I think I saw one of those in a movie. I believe it was directed by Scott Stokely. LMAO!

vwkeepontruckin
Nov 18 2005, 07:18 PM
I think I saw one of those in a movie. I believe it was directed by Scott Stokely. LMAO!




:D Funniest thing I've read on this board in months! :D

Parkntwoputt
Nov 18 2005, 10:42 PM
You are talking about a completely opposite theory.

There are 2 main theories on this.
1. Learn how to throw a few discs with a lot of different release angles and power variations.
2. Throw with very little variation and change the disc to get the flight you want.

I am not going to tell you that the 2nd theory is wrong, mainly because I really don't care what you do. However, I used to be in the school of thought and it was really bad for my game. I was constantly walking off the teebox, scratching my head because the disc did not do what it was supposed to. <font color="red"> Of course, that is you and this is me and I have had one he11 of coach/mentor for the past two years, not to mention 12yrs of other disc sport experience before disc golf. So clearly, what works for one person may not work for another. </font>

The problem with the "more discs" theory is that you WILL NOT learn to throw that many discs as effectively as you think you can. Let me say that again, WILL NOT. If we played disc golf indoors, I would say it is a possibility, but when you have to factor in wind (also height the disc needs to fly), you are getting into very unreliable territory. There are some times that it is perfect to take my roller disc and throw it with a lot of hyzer, so that it flips flat and then rolls right to the basket. Change the wind just a little bit and I am throwing a Predator with a ton of anhyzer to create the same end result. <font color="red"> It is all about knowing your discs. An XL does not fly like a teebird, and a 2 yr old teebird does not fly like a new teebird, so you have not convinced me of the difference between two discs or one type disc with two different degrees of wear.</font>

The point is, consistancy is the most important factor in successfully throwing a disc (after you learn the basic skills). The more different discs you throw the less you are going to know each disc. That is just an obvious fact. Unless you have the time and patience to take every disc you have, get 4 or 5 more of each mold, and practice throwing each specific mold with your "standard release angle" into all directions of wind, many different levels of height, and different distances. <font color="red"> Which is exactly what I have done, note the coach/mentor comment above. Also my philosophy with practice is more about quality not quantity.</font>

But like I said, I really don't care what you do. That is just what I figured out when I used to carry 20+ discs and 10+ different molds.



I was not trying to force my disc selection on other people, but merely open the thread starters eyes to other possibilities. Play a tournament with me and you will see I mainly throw an XL, Wasp's Buzzz's and Challengers. They are my bread and butter. But I will not give up my specialty discs (long drivers, overstable drivers and turnover drivers). Why would I want to beat up an XL to replace my Leopard? I can just throw a Leopard. Because what if you lose that beat up/tuned in disc, your up a creek. But if I lose a Leopard, I just pull another one out of the box.

If you get used to playing with beat up discs, when you have to replace one, it will be difficult for you to get that type of shot back that you just lost. Especially people who prefer to throw hyzer flip shots with beat up discs.

There is more then one way to play the course.

I still recommend bending the whole discs with both hands to "loosen" the disc. It is the least destructive way to break something in.

dannyreeves
Nov 18 2005, 11:34 PM
When did I say you were wrong? I was using a personal experience to inform and help others that may have the same problem.

There are more differences in discs than just stability. That is why throwing 2 conditions of Teebirds can be better than a Teebird and something else. Because the beat up one will still fly with the same speed and have the exact same feel in your hand. I don't know about you but that really helps my consistancy level.

Play how you want. Like I said twice in the previous post, I DON'T CARE!

Oh yeah and tell your coach, mentor and extra skills I said "hi." :D

Parkntwoputt
Nov 18 2005, 11:57 PM
Oh yeah and tell your coach, mentor and extra skills I said "hi." :D



No prob. I think I will be seeing him on Sunday.