Anyone have info on the venom?

I had one. Although a decent disc, I ended up giving it away to a friend since I had no use for it. The Venom is a fast overstable disc that is only available in Pro-D plastic. I'm not a big fan of Pro-D, Gateway S, or even Innova DX are much more durable. My reccomendation is the wraith, which to me is kind of in the same niche, but a much better disc.

I had one. Although a decent disc, I ended up giving it away to a friend since I had no use for it. The Venom is a fast overstable disc that is only available in Pro-D plastic. I'm not a big fan of Pro-D, Gateway S, or even Innova DX are much more durable. My reccomendation is the wraith, which to me is kind of in the same niche, but a much better disc.



The only problem is that the Wraith doesn't fly anything like a Venom. :p

Venom is much more overstable.

I think a Venom is slightly less stable than a Z-Flick with similar rim shape. And it is definetly longer. That disc goes far. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Tha venom is a sharper nosed illusion. The new illusions were going to look like these do but now they will have to stay the same. :confused:

Anyone have info on the venom?



I have a couple for sale if you wanted to try them out :D

Actually the Venom is a good disc and I threw it in a field when it 1st came out and with the right height it can bomb. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

My reccomendation is the wraith, which to me is kind of in the same niche, but a much better disc.



I have heard other comparisons to the wraith, which lead me to start the thread. My wraith is overstable, but I can make it go straight. I can put as much annhyser on it as I want and not worry about it becoming a roller. Still I can make it go straight.

I'd throw the Venom if it were produced in Z plastic. My home course is very rocky, and chews up discs if they aren't in premium plastic.

The Wraith is much closer to a Crush in terms of flight/stability.

the venom is fairly stable, and is in D plastic... as others already said. i tried mine for a couple weeks but it didnt secure a permanent place in my bag. it is not particularly fast, and not particularly long... i would use it for <300 hyzers, or into a wind.. but i already had Z plastic that i prefer for such shots. i have a small stack of protos and first runs in the garage now. it is probably well worth trying out, though. it could fill a need depending on what else you throw.

I prefer z too; i go through x plastic pretty quick here due to trees. But there are some discs, like the x avenger, that I do not like the z version; let me rephrase, the x plastic goes further and straighter.

The wraith goes much further than any crush I have thrown. Should I try an x crush to see the comparison to the wraith? Hero, I'm looking at you.

I'm perfectly happy throwing x avengers/z avengers and buzzes. I'm just curious about new things. If I hadn't just done an order, I would have picked one up.

I have a glide coming in for those times when the buzz doesn't quite reach.

i'm totally with you on the x-avenger thing! the X seems to milk more out of the glide phase. i will readily go to the Z in certain conditions like crossing winds blowing acorss the body towards the throwing hand. those seem to flip my x, whereas the Z holds nicely.

prediction: you're gonna really love the Glide.

My x avenger at 165 is my second longest disc right now. I do like the z for wind, like you were saying, and hard hyzers. It is also highly accurate for me at 165, which I found surprising. I thought of getting one max weight for the wind or for accuracy purposes, but I haven't had to.

Whoops ... posted to wrong thread. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

the x crush is noticeably flippier than a wraith.

reminded me a bit of a max weight CE TL on steroids.

hard to make comparisons as the x crush is pretty domey and has some of the "domey" flight characteristics with a flight path that reminded me a bit of an eagle, but with the "domeyness". some of the flatter x crushes were a bit more high speed stable and reminded me of a slightly less predictable x talon but with more glide.

i rated the x crush HSS -1, LSS +3 vs. the Z was more of a HSS -0.5/0, LSS +3.5/4 (depending upon the run).

The wraith goes much further than any crush I have thrown



That's why in the PM i sent i said the 1st run Z-Crush was the closest to the Wraith, IMO. It is noticeably less stable than the regular prodcution run.

The X or D Crush might be your Discraft solution if you aren't inetersted in looking for the 1st runs.

Anyone have info on the venom?




It flies nice out to the middle of the lake. :D

We have a few Thumber throwers here in the Twin Cities that added 50+ feet on their thumbers with the Venom. Yes the D plastic works in quick, but they added huge d and they're only $8 so buy a bunch and bombs away you overhead freaks!!

The wraith goes much further than any crush I have thrown



That's why in the PM i sent i said the 1st run Z-Crush was the closest to the Wraith, IMO. It is noticeably less stable than the regular prodcution run.

The X or D Crush might be your Discraft solution if you aren't inetersted in looking for the 1st runs.



I'm not sure what run I had; I traded it for a flash. How do I check certain runs? I call and ask for 1st run crush? I've been told that z avengers are similar to the 1st run crush, any truth to this?

I have z avengers already.

No. The Z-Avenger is much more overstable than a 1st run Z-Crush.

I would say that a "seasoned" X-avenger is the closest thing in terms of flight to a 1st run Z-Crush.

I guess the best way to go about getting some would be in the "Traders Row" thread.

I had a Z avenger, and it went from a nice slightly overstable disc to a straight to slightly unstable disc in little time. What is the durable color to get in these dont need another Tailwind driver?

It must not have been a Z then because I have had mine since June and throw it atleast 5 times a round and all the time in practice and its still overstable. My X on the other hand broke in and became flippy and understable rather quickly but thats ok because I needed a long turnover/ roller disc :D

I had a Z avenger, and it went from a nice slightly overstable disc to a straight to slightly unstable disc in little time. What is the durable color to get in these dont need another Tailwind driver?



Stay away from those trees at The Almighty Z. That's your problem!

Just keep buying more avengers. If that's the case with the z, I'm gonna play with it until it turns into an x avenger. hehehe

I love trees!

Stay away from those trees at The Almighty Z. That's your problem!



Teebirds in the trees Avengers in the open it seemed to show alot of marks scuffs for Z plastic ... it is purple Z plastic 174g

just my pimp like power i guess..

Stay away from those trees at The Almighty Z. That's your problem!



Teebirds in the trees Avengers in the open it seemed to show alot of marks scuffs for Z plastic ... it is purple Z plastic 174g



I agree that the Z Plastic my Avengers are in are not up to par with the other Z plastic I've thrown. I actually took a chunk out of one hitting a tree.

On the other hand, I have 2 172 Day Glow Orange avengers that have beaten into flying like my X Avengers. They flip into a headwind if not thrown with a hyzer, they sail with a tailwind. A little more wear, and they will have the gentle fade the beat X Avengers have hopefully.

On the OTHER other hand, I have a 169 Z Avenger that was blue initially, but is J-Bird dyed and this hasn't been beating up nearly as bad as the 2 orange ones. Maybe Discraft was trying a new weighting agent?

I'm hoping my z beats up a bit. I did notice that it shows wear and tear more than my other z discs; I thought it was the dark purple color. I'll keep throwing it to check for any noticable changes in flight pattern..haven't noticed anything yet.

If you want it to change your going to have to go out of your way to beat it up. If you just play with it your going to have to wait a long time for it to change.

When I want to beat up some Z Plastic I lay a couple towels on some cement and slam the disc into it a few times then throw to see if I like it them repeat. That or throw it into a wooden fence or some trees :D

What are the chances of there ever being a Elite Z Venom

When the Venom is run in X or Z plastic it exceeds the weight limit. It will only be available in Pro-D.

too much mass in the rim i imagine. it is basically a d flick flight-wise, correct? these discs are the fastest i have thrown [sorry gateway], though neither replaced the z-pred for me.

oo much mass in the rim i imagine. it is basically a d flick flight-wise, correct? these discs are the fastest i have thrown [sorry gateway], though neither replaced the z-pred for me.



I actually own a Z Venom and its a little faster and a little more overstable then a D but it is illegal because of the fact that its too heavy.

But steven is right!!! Nothing can replace the Z Pred :D

SO the Venom is similar to the z predator?

SO the Venom is similar to the z predator?



No. The Venow is pretty much a D Flick in my opinion and the only way to find a use for the Venow is to beat it in. Otherwise you might as well just throw a Z Flick.

Z Pred is the best overstable wind disc EVER :D

I never found much use for the flick either. We're agreed on the predator.

We have a few Thumber throwers here in the Twin Cities that added 50+ feet on their thumbers with the Venom. Yes the D plastic works in quick, but they added huge d and they're only $8 so buy a bunch and bombs away you overhead freaks!!

I bought a bunch of Venoms when they first came out and the disc never seems to have caught on. So don't feel like you have to pay $8 to get a Venom!

Anyway, I figured I might as well learn how to throw the disc since they aren't going anywhere as merch, so I went out to the backyard and tossed one towards the yard we don't have permission to use, but I hit a bush and did not learn anything. Then I decided to play five short since I was right at the tee and the basket was out and it was directly into a steady wind from the northwest.

The disc flew nice and straight into the wind for about 250 feet, hit chains, and settled into the basket.

So based on two throws, downwind the disc is hard to control, but into the wind you get an ace every time!

I'll second TG's post about it being a great overhand disc. I throw overhand shots pretty regularly and I have never gotten as much distance with any other disc as I get with the venom. Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder how a Z-flick would fly overhand??? Anyone know?

I throw a 150 Z Flick for thumbers and tommies and it added much distance to my throws.

I throw 150 flicks as a flare skip thumber.

I went out to the backyard and tossed one towards the yard we don't have permission to use, but I hit a bush and did not learn anything. Then I decided to play five short since I was right at the tee and the basket was out and it was directly into a steady wind from the northwest.

The disc flew nice and straight into the wind for about 250 feet, hit chains, and settled into the basket.

So based on two throws, downwind the disc is hard to control, but into the wind you get an ace every time!




That's classic!!!!!



I'll second TG's post about it being a great overhand disc. I throw overhand shots pretty regularly and I have never gotten as much distance with any other disc as I get with the venom. Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder how a Z-flick would fly overhand??? Anyone know?



Jim,
A lot of North Texans use the Z-Flick for overhands. As for the Venom, the leading edge of the Venom's airfoil gets WASTED at Veteran's and Z-Boaz due to the softness of the Pro-D plastic and the hardness of the ground / oaks.

The other thing i have found that i can use a max weight flick is for those huge headwind shots.

I know the venom will not last if you hit somthing with it but I tried one during a tournament last weekend for some open shots and I really like that has a very straight and controllable flight for a full power shot with a positive turn as it slows.

maybe not a max distance piece, but it is very fast and predictable. Saved me from the ob line on the right second round!