I am a relatively new player, and now I'm looking to get a few more discs. My current selection is a Beast, Orc and Roc. I use the Orc for driving and the Roc for approach/putting. I have a little less control with the Beast, so it rarely comes out. First of all, I know I need a putter. I was thinking of getting a firm Wizard based on what I have heard. Does the firmness affect the flight pattern at all, or is it just preference? My wife has an Aviar putt and approach, and it's just a bit too floppy for my liking. What other discs should I be taking a look at to help round out my game a bit? I'm just about to order my first bag, so I figured now was a good time to put some stuff in it. Oh, where are good places to order online from? So far I have found that discgolfworld seems to have some of the best prices and free shipping over $60. Thanks a lot in advance for any suggestions.

I am a relatively new player, and now I'm looking to get a few more discs. My current selection is a Beast, Orc and Roc. I use the Orc for driving and the Roc for approach/putting. I have a little less control with the Beast, so it rarely comes out. First of all, I know I need a putter. I was thinking of getting a firm Wizard based on what I have heard. Does the firmness affect the flight pattern at all, or is it just preference? My wife has an Aviar putt and approach, and it's just a bit too floppy for my liking. What other discs should I be taking a look at to help round out my game a bit? I'm just about to order my first bag, so I figured now was a good time to put some stuff in it. Oh, where are good places to order online from? So far I have found that discgolfworld seems to have some of the best prices and free shipping over $60. Thanks a lot in advance for any suggestions.



Besides a putter, I would recommend adding a "control"/turnover driver like a Leopard or Xpress. Sidewinders are good for longer turnover shots as well. You might also add an overstable driver like a Firebird or Predator for shorter hyzer shots, skip shots and sidearm drives. If you don't like floppy putters, the medium or firm Wizard, D Challenger and KC Aviar are all good choices. Additionally, recent runs of the Putt and Approach are substantially stiffer than some of the older ones, so don't disregard this putter based on your wife's putter. They seem to change up the plastic pretty frequently.

Also, I like www.sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com) for ordering discs. Great selection and great service.

Good luck and have fun!

I'll second the need for a turnover disc, but I'd recommend a Stingray. (actually I'd recommend a Moray, but they don't make them anymore :( ) I think Stingray replaced the Moray? (have to ask Dave about that one)
I'd say forget the sidewinder for now unless you have a strong arm. With my noodle arm, I cannot get my SW to turn right unless I release it anhyzer. Thrown flat it goes straight & fades left for me.
As far as the Wizard. I'd say the Soft is the way to go...even the soft is pretty firm, just keep it away from trees.

I am a relatively new player, and now I'm looking to get a few more discs. My current selection is a Beast, Orc and Roc. I use the Orc for driving and the Roc for approach/putting. I have a little less control with the Beast, so it rarely comes out. First of all, I know I need a putter. I was thinking of getting a firm Wizard based on what I have heard. Does the firmness affect the flight pattern at all, or is it just preference? My wife has an Aviar putt and approach, and it's just a bit too floppy for my liking. What other discs should I be taking a look at to help round out my game a bit? I'm just about to order my first bag, so I figured now was a good time to put some stuff in it. Oh, where are good places to order online from? So far I have found that discgolfworld seems to have some of the best prices and free shipping over $60. Thanks a lot in advance for any suggestions.



Besides a putter, I would recommend adding a "control"/turnover driver like a Leopard or Xpress. Sidewinders are good for longer turnover shots as well. You might also add an overstable driver like a Firebird or Predator for shorter hyzer shots, skip shots and sidearm drives. If you don't like floppy putters, the medium or firm Wizard, D Challenger and KC Aviar are all good choices. Additionally, recent runs of the Putt and Approach are substantially stiffer than some of the older ones, so don't disregard this putter based on your wife's putter. They seem to change up the plastic pretty frequently.

Also, I like www.sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com) for ordering discs. Great selection and great service.

Good luck and have fun!



I have been learning a lot of the terminology, but i'm not sure what you mean by a "control"/turnover driver. Could you elaborate on that a bit? Also, what is a good disc to throw Anhyzer? That does mean curve to the right, correct? Right now I am using my roc for that, and it does ok. Is there something that could make this a bit easier for me?

Innova? 160g or less Sidewinder for control turnovers is sweet, and long. Longer than the Roc. The new Roadrunner might be an option if you don't have a lot of power, but I haven't thrown one yet, so I can't recommend it from experience. However the light weight Sidewinders turn over pretty easily. Weights over 162 are hard for me to turnover, but under that weight ... No problem.
Fact, if it's a turnover or understable disc and you can't turn it right ... try lighter weights, and I mean LIGHT.
Discraft? EliteX Express or a light Z Express ... or, I have been throwing a lighter 165g Z Tracker with great success for long right turn shots. The Tracker is great for long straight, hyzer for anhyzer shots, and is very predictable ... a great disc IMO. The Tracker is a LONG Buzzz with low fade.

This article explains a lot of the terminology and provides much better disc selection advice than I can: http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/choosingadisc.shtml

if you're just starting out the orc is probably as overstable a disc as you'll need... don't bother getting a firebird (or something comperable) until you're throwing 350' with your orc, and even then it'll just be useful in certain situations where you need a big fade.

i second the notion for getting a stingray. it'll help your finesse game a lot! it'll turn to the right (assuming you throw right hand back hand) much easier than a roc... so release your roc flat to go straight... release your stingray flat to turn right
also... release your stingray with hyzer to go straight. release roc with hyzer to hold hyzer the whole flight. if you want a disc with more fade than the roc for midrange shots i'd highly recommend a gator... it's got a lot of fade and is great for trick shots, it won't travel too far but it'll be useful.
these are good shots for a beginner to have. in addition, midranges glide much farther than drivers... so if you don't yet have a lot of arm speed they should actually go just as far or farther than your drivers. too many people throw drivers, overall, in my opinion. midranges will develop your game much more effectively.

read some reviews at www.discgolfreview.com (http://www.discgolfreview.com), ol' blake T's legendary site.

I was looking at the wizards and I see the regular wizard and the wizard (Evolution Line). Is the Evolution line just the higher quality plastic similar to champion in Innova? Is it worth the couple bucks to get it over the regular one? It doesn't seems to have choices of firmness like the regular one, so it soft or firm comparably?

While I'm at it, I may as well ask for a bag recommendation. I would like to keep it under $25, but something relatively strong would be nice, so I don't have to replace it too soon. I was originally going to go with the Innova Standard bag, but there seem to be so many out there, I would see if this is a good one to get or if anyone has any better recommendations. I only need to carry a max of 10 discs between my wife and I, so I don't need anything large. I would prefer to have a holder for a water bottle, but I'm pretty flexable.

You are correct in noticing the lack of firmness in the wizard in the evolution; the soft, medium, firm, and supersofts are only found in the S plastic. The E Wizard is Gateway's premium plastic; it's an opaque polymer that is very resistant to the wear and tear of a course. While I can't really vouch for the people that use the E Wizard for putting, I've seen a lot of people use them off the tee and for approaches. If you're looking to buy your first wizard, I'd suggest an S Wizard in the firmness that's most comfortable for you.

I have a standard bag & really like it. It has 6 dividers but room for more. I'd say the max discs you can get in there without stuffing it (tearing it) is about 10. Plus it has a outside pocket for a putter.
It does have the drink holder which will hold a 32 oz gator/power ade bottle. A nice little zippered pouch on the backside for keys/wallet/etc, a zippered mesh pocket under the top cover (score card/ pen /sharpie), and a velcro'd pouch on the side opposite the drink holder (I stuff my towel in this pocket).
The only thing I don't like is the padding on the shoulder strap is a bit slippery.....I've been thinking of wrapping it with something, but haven't yet, so I guess it's not that big of a deal.
I've had mine about 2 months & no problems with durability.

If you get an Innova bag, understand that they do not last that long. I have a lighting bag (my gf has it now) that has outlasted 3 Innova bags.

As for discs, the xpress is a good choice. Also, for midranges try a glide. The orc may be a bit to much for you right now.

If you get an Innova bag, understand that they do not last that long. I have a lighting bag (my gf has it now) that has outlasted 3 Innova bags.

As for discs, the xpress is a good choice. Also, for midranges try a glide. The orc may be a bit to much for you right now.



I'm going to take my orc to a football field and see how far I can actually throw it. I don't know how long the holes are that I play, but I have gotten to the hole in 1 before, but I'm not sure if the course I play is considered short or not.

I don't understand what you guys are doing to these bags to make them fall apart so quickly.... I don't think I'll ever have to replace this bag. I know I have a "newer" model because it's the sapphire diamond pattern, so maybe they've fixed what people were having problems with......
I think the reason they may be shortlived is people try to put 15 discs into an opening designed for 10. Hmm. Wonder why they tear apart? :D
It's a great bag in my opinion.

IanthePez : I sent you a private message.

You may also consider a light champ. valkyrie instead of an x press or sidewinder. The valk is a little longer and more versatile. I actually get my best distance with a 165g champ valk. The sidewinder just won't go as far as this disc. The orc is great for full power straight drives. I'd say that with the addition of a putter and a champion valk, you have all you need for a good round.

You are correct in noticing the lack of firmness in the wizard in the evolution; the soft, medium, firm, and supersofts are only found in the S plastic. The E Wizard is Gateway's premium plastic; it's an opaque polymer that is very resistant to the wear and tear of a course. While I can't really vouch for the people that use the E Wizard for putting, I've seen a lot of people use them off the tee and for approaches. If you're looking to buy your first wizard, I'd suggest an S Wizard in the firmness that's most comfortable for you.



I'll also add that my E Wizard is slicker on the surface and easily the most floppy Wizard I have, including the Super Soft. It's also more overstable than any of the others.

I'll second the recommendation for the S Wizard. The medium S Wizard I have is over a year old and is nowhere near getting to the point where it's too understable even though it looks pretty beat up. I use it for almost all approach shots. Even though it isn't the "premium" plastic, it will still last a long time.

I don't understand what you guys are doing to these bags to make them fall apart so quickly.... I don't think I'll ever have to replace this bag. I know I have a "newer" model because it's the sapphire diamond pattern, so maybe they've fixed what people were having problems with......
I think the reason they may be shortlived is people try to put 15 discs into an opening designed for 10. Hmm. Wonder why they tear apart? :D
It's a great bag in my opinion.

IanthePez : I sent you a private message.




Maybe the newer models hold up more. The last deluxe bag I had didn't have the rings for the quad shocks but fabric loops instead (non-reinforced); I know I was surprised when I got it since others I'd seen were different. One way we tear up bags is overstuffing them.

One more thing about the wizard: I still like the firm best. Gateway has a 5 for $35 misprint or something; this is a good way for you to try them all out. I defeinately don't like the e wizard; my gf has it and is experimenting with it.

Weight may have something to do with it, but my firm 175 wizard holds up to wind better than the others. I also have a 175 super soft, but I miss more putts with it than the firm.

I was using the e wizard for tee shots, but I'm sticking with buzzes for that.

I also have a breeze that I just got that I haven't tried out much...what is this similar to in innova ratings?

I also have a breeze that I just got that I haven't tried out much...what is this similar to in innova ratings?



Nothing. Innova doesn't make a midrange that flippy. Maybe the stingray. The breeze won't do much for you though.

What about the panther and hydra, mr InnovaonlyOrcFollower

I am a relatively new player, and now I'm looking to get a few more discs. My current selection is a Beast, Orc and Roc. I use the Orc for driving and the Roc for approach/putting. I have a little less control with the Beast, so it rarely comes out. First of all, I know I need a putter. I was thinking of getting a firm Wizard based on what I have heard. Does the firmness affect the flight pattern at all, or is it just preference? My wife has an Aviar putt and approach, and it's just a bit too floppy for my liking. What other discs should I be taking a look at to help round out my game a bit? I'm just about to order my first bag, so I figured now was a good time to put some stuff in it. Oh, where are good places to order online from? So far I have found that discgolfworld seems to have some of the best prices and free shipping over $60. Thanks a lot in advance for any suggestions.



Wizard is a very very good putter. A fairway driver is always nice, you may want to try a Millennium JLS ... very easy to throw and very versatile (straight, left or right turns) ... or Maybe a Elite Z XL ... also easy and versatile for newer players.

Stingray or a Cobra is a good disc to turn right, but they don't have a ton of distance. You won't use it on every hole, but when you need one, nothing else really does it right.

I also have a breeze that I just got that I haven't tried out much...what is this similar to in innova ratings?



Maybe a beat in xd.

I also have a breeze that I just got that I haven't tried out much...what is this similar to in innova ratings?



A light coyote or classic roc.

Isn't the breeze more understable than a coyote? I haven't thrown one in a while though.

I think for now I am going to go a with a firm wizard and a valkyrie, and of course a bag. Is a 165-169g good for a valk? What about the wizard? I was thinking a 170-172 because I generally like heavier discs. Is this a good idea?

Don't overlook the DevilHawk! :D

Don't worry, I already have one of those and I figured I didn't even need to mention it. Everyone has a devilhawk right?

Where are you guys getting your devilhawks? Every store I've gone to is sold out. I even searched 253 different stores last night online. Sold out, sold out, sold out. I cried myself to sleep last night.

Valk is good; I went from a valk to an xs and never looked back.

You may want your putter closer to max weight.