Plus a couple of the soccer players here at my university challenged me to a game of disc golf, and I consider that the disc golf gods telling me I need to start playing again. It also doesn't have the risk of an id!ot hitting you playing ultimate and reinjuring your back.

So the local course here is pretty woodsy, and I'd like to pick up a Wraith to see for myself what all the chatter is about. Should I hit up eBay or ZoneDriven for a CFR, or just buy a max weight Pro and let nature collect its dues. What's it going to fly like? Also, since I've been out for so long, comparisons to the Orc/Beast don't help much. My last primary drivers were a 169g 4th run CE Valk that was my long distance open hole driver, and a 175g candy JK Valk for a tighter flight path. So base comparisons on that.

I miss disc golf, hopefully I can return to my previous form.

If the local course is wooded, don't get a Pro Wraith...get a CFR.

The pro plastic still beats in quickly(albeit not as quick as the first run TBs).

All ZoneDriven has is 174/175...just how much overstability are we talking here?

I've got two CFR's (174) and a Pro (174). The Pro (for me) is much more stable. I can get it to hold a pretty tight line much better than the CFR's. I'm getting more used to the CFR's but they seem to require a bit more power in order to keep them from hyzering out too fast.

Yeah the Pro will beat-in faster but I think it's a better disc. I've got some pretty beat up plastic in my bag that still fly's beautifully so I wouldn't worry too much about beating up your plastic. It just goes with the territory. Discs are cheap enough anyway.

I've got a 175 Valk that I like and I'd say the Pro is closer to that than the CFR. At least that's been my experience.

I've got both, with a Pro at 172 and a trio of CFR's (2x 169, 1@173).

I dig the extra grip that comes with the Pro plastic, and it does seem to be tougher than the Pro plastic that was I had in a Pro Starfire just a couple of months ago. 3 weeks ago... I was riding hard for the Pro as the better disc for everything, and the CFR's in my bag were gettting dusty.

Now, I'm finding the niche' in my throw for these CFR's. I'm not hucking the 169's unless it's SEVERELY downwind. When a disc goes so far, and stays in the air so long, the lack of weight to keep it on track, for me, is a liability. But my 173 - that thing is a wind fighting, distance champ.

Maybe it's been my recent change to a 4 finger power grip, but now I'm getting more "RIP" on the disc. I'm moving it a lot further out there, and the CFR Wraith right now has been the longest of the bunch when throwing pure D.

But, if you're starting up at a course in the woods...you don't need a Wraith or a Pro plastic.

You need durable and controlable.

But, if you're starting up at a course in the woods...you don't need a Wraith or a Pro plastic.

You need durable and controlable.



That's true. Both of my home courses are heavily wooded and not super long so it's rare that my Wraiths see the light of day. Better for wide-open power drives.

There's a bit of open ground, but not a whole lot. I've got one of the extremely gummy Proline candy Spiders, a max weight '02 CE Roc, and my beat to crap DX Roc for interior holes. I mainly just want to throw a Wraith because I haven't thrown distance in so long and I miss my distance drives.

Or I could just pick up a special blend Orc...I prefer the slightly less overstability of the Orc compared to what I hear the Wraith puts out. And SB plastic is supposed to kick butt.

Go for the SB Orc...

You won't be disappointed in that disc. Easy to throw out of the box, and it get's easier with each throw. The plastic is getting grippier for me everytime I take it out, and I'm getting so much snap on it, it's almost become a 400 foot Teebird - no fade at all.

Won't let me use PayPal for the SB...oh well, I'll just stick with what I have. No need to pick up more plastic I suppose.

I do however need a new putter since my Soft Magnet is a little too floppy for my taste. I'll probably go with this (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/jkproaviar.html), as long as it's not floppy like the SM. I like the feel of Aviars but the one I used to use had a tournament stamp so I don't know which mold. JK Aviar-X a good choice?

I found the Champion Orc and the CFR Wraith to have the same overall stability rating. The Wraith is slight more high speed stable. But the main difference is the Wraith is much faster then the Orc, so at the end of it's flight it dives down more then the Orc.

But of overall big booming distance shots, I use the DX Orc or DX Beast.

I could not compare the Wraith to the Valk at all. Except for possibly the first run CE Valks, they are the only Valks that are remotely stable.

jk aviar-x is a great choice for spin putting and drives/approaches.. They are softer than a normal aviar, but they are more overstable because of their big bead.. I have 1 in my bag to compliment my Classic Aviar which is a turnover approach/drive disc as well as my putter.

-Scott Lewis

Nothing wrong with Champion JK Valkyries! If you used to throw Valk.s, get one of those and then move in to the elite distance discs after you get your disc golf feel back with the Valk. The Valk is just a bit slower and less nose angle sensitive, and if you want to be accurate that can be a good thing. The Orc, Starfire, or Wraith might add an average of 20 feet, but is it really that necessary on most holes? :D

btw, as a 43 year old ex-ultimate player i can relate to everything you said about disc golf being easier on the back, knees, etc. plus, no longer can someone else be the cause of an inability to execute :D

The pro being more stable, you mean straighter than the cfr right? I really like the pro; I am wary of beating up to fast. My starfire became understable pretty quick.

I get very good d with my pro wraith; it is a bit unpredictable at first. At 171, it fights the wind well though. I haven't banged it up to bad as I don't throw it if there are many trees in my way. Instead, I use a z or champion disc.

I am a big fan of the higher end plastic, but my favorite disc right now is my x avenger. The z just does not do it for me.

Ha...I'm an 18 year old ex-ultimate player with a herniated disc, ankles that get tweaked easily, and bad knees from 5 years of hockey. Disc golf is much nicer on the body. :D

jeb...

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Ha...I'm an 18 year old ex-ultimate player with a herniated disc, ankles that get tweaked easily, and bad knees from 5 years of hockey. Disc golf is much nicer on the body. :D



18 years old and all those injuries??? I guess I'm happy I stayed out of sports on skool.

It took about 3-4 months for my ankle to fully heal after playing the second half of the semi-final and final of my ultimate league on a minor sprain. I'm the kind of person that ignores pain, which isn't the greatest idea, but it just doesn't bother me enough to pay attention to. I need to start being more careful though.

Ha...I'm an 18 year old ex-ultimate player with a herniated disc, ankles that get tweaked easily, and bad knees from 5 years of hockey. Disc golf is much nicer on the body. :D



Usually it is. Last week, one round, I stepped in a hole and twisted my knee. I slipped on a fairway drive and bruised my hip. And lastly, I shanked a drive in some brush, when I went to get it out, I disturbed a Yellow Jacket nest, and got stung 6 times before I could get away.

I also scored my personal best on that course.

Anyone who's played in palmetto bushes knows how wicked those things can be when looking for discs. It's like running through a field of hacksaw bushes.

Those are alot of injuries for that age. The bad news is old injuries act up as you get older. The good news is disc golf is one of the sports you can continue to play with injuries; I played all summer with a broken finger. I was gonna learn to play left handed, but the pain wasn't as bad as I would have imagined.

Couple of years ago, I severly sprained my ankle; drove to the pharmacy to get one of those lace up braces; finished the round; and didn't get it x-rayed until the next day.

You sound like me man LOL. I played with a torn MCL this summer. And I think it improved my game because it made me stop using a run up which I sucked at. It really improved my form.

If the local course is wooded, don't get a Pro Wraith...get a CFR.

The pro plastic still beats in quickly(albeit not as quick as the first run TBs).





Yea, get a pro if your wooded course averages out to be around 400ft per hole! :D