How do you improve distance putting
Im pretty good from 20' in but after that i can't put at all. also it seems like when i try to put flat i release it hyzer. I go through it a few times in slow motion before i put but when i do it at normal speed it all goes back to normal.

putting range is generally dictated by weight shift. most people i play with can putt without a weight shift up to 18-20' with no problem, but after that point they need to get some leg "oomph" into it to really take an aggressive run without skewing their line by trying to muscle it with their arm.

as for your hyzer problem when trying to putt flat, i've helped half a dozen people with this problem and i am willing to wager the problem lies in your grip placement/disc orientation.

look at the disc as the face of a clock (when flat and in front of you), with 12 o'clock being at the top center of the disc in line with the pole, i'm guessing your grip is somewhere between 12 and 1 either at the start of your putt or when you start moving forward from the set position. this is likely caused by your wrist being kocked for longer than it should/needs to be (if you putt with snap, it will do this for a brief instant).

as a general rule of thumb:
if your grip orientation leaves you between 12:00 and 2:30 for more than brief instant (this usually okay early in the pull), there are tendencies to hyzer putt, nose up putt, and grip lock.

if your grip orientation leaves you between 4:00 and 6:00 for more than a brief instant (this is usually okay just before or at the release), there are tendencies to nose down putt and putt with very little spin (some spin is necessary to make the putt carry without falling off).

hope this helps.

thanks ill try these things

Practice, practice, practice. Putting is like free throws in basketball. The more you practice the better you will be.And don't ignore those everyday putts. I try to vary my practice but i always start at 10ft. Yes i said 10ft. then move to 20ft the to 25ft then to 30ft. After that i practice those lower percentage putts.If you Have five putters this could take you a lot less time than you think.

Just don't go too fast. Aim for the pole on short putts !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Are Putts , outside 100 , considered upshots ?

Are Putts , outside 100 , considered upshots ?



Not if you putt the disc. There is a difference between the putting motion and the throwing motion. If you are rotating your hips and doing a left to right or right to left follow through, you are throwing it. If you are using a forward motion with a forward follow through, you are putting. That's about the best way that I can explain it.

Sam, go out to an event and watch some of the better players putt. Everyone has their own opinion on the proper way to putt. My line of thinking is to eliminate all body motion. I don't use my body or legs from around 40ft and in. When I decided to do this, it took months to master it. It's easy for me because i'm a wrist putter. I use a flippy putter with lots of hyzer and I typically putt at everything inside 150ft. That's just my method. There aren't many people who do that.

I agree with Travis.
The best advice I can give as a beginner is go out & buy 5 identical putters.
Then practice practice practice.
You'll find many places that have a 5 package deal. As much as I've been throwing Wizards I got to throw some heavy Aviars and I really like 'em. Either is a good putter.

I agree with Travis.
The best advice I can give as a beginner is go out & buy 5 identical putters.
Then practice practice practice.
You'll find many places that have a 5 package deal. As much as I've been throwing Wizards I got to throw some heavy Aviars and I really like 'em. Either is a good putter.



I like your phrase , a bunch of guys projectile hurling !!!!!!! sounds like the frat houses , down the street from me !!!!! :D

i hesitate to ever give the advice of just practice when someone has a putting problem.

if you have a solid putting form, generally it requires very little practice to maintain putting feel, say 5 minutes a day, or even every other day. generally, for these people more practice will yield better results, but not substantially better results (e.g. 87% make vs. 92% make). however, a lot of these players also enjoy putting practice, so it often happens much more often than 5 minutes a day.

imo there are two different putting categories people fall into:
1) maintaining their putt
2) developing their putt

each category has a different mindset and focus.

category 2 is also split:
2a) i will build a fundamentally sound putt and then develop muscle memory
2b) i will just keep putting and hope it goes in more often as i practice more

each of these routes also holds a different course of action.

overall, i believe there's about 4 ways people miss most putts:
I) aiming wrong (usually too low)
II) mis-playing the wind
III) psyche out/choke
IV) mechanics failure

when someone has a chronic mechanics failure, it generally is caused by something small and can often be fixed by something small as well. in these cases, it is often detrimental to repeatedly practice without diagnosing/fixing the problem as it can develop muscle memory for bad form.

i generally assume when someone has a question with a very chronic problem, such as nose down, putt leaving hyzer, grip locks, etc. that they have already spent a ton of time practicing and trying to correct it to no avail. if that is the case, further practice will likely make the problem yet harder to correct in the long run.

i agree with blake that practicing 'poor form' will make it more difficult to find your best form later down the road.

one thing i believe, especially if you're trying to throw flat but releasing hyzer (i experienced the exact same problem at one point) is to experiment with different putting lines. figure out how to anhyzer putt, hyzer putt, and flat putt... play with nose angles, going straight at it, lofting it up high and dropping it in... play with your tempo too; quicker vs. slower. that may take hours and hours and i'm not saying make a checklist... but do play around with those things to understand your own form better.

in terms of putting for distance: i beleive a lot of it has to do with a clean release... i really spring my hand open when i putt and i think it's the secret to my form. 30-40 footers should be similar to your 20 footers, just more weight shift in the legs and put some anhyzer on the disc, too, to stretch out the flight. also, when i'm putting anhyzer on my putts i face less square to the basket... i'm basically sideways. so the closer i am, the more square to the basket i am (though i disagree with being totally square to the basket, i angle my foot 45 degrees) and when i'm farther out i get closer to being sideways... i am sideways at around 60'

when i was trying to putt flat and they just came out hyzer more naturally... i decided to go with it and now i hyzer putt (30ft and in) and it's working great for me. so listen to what feels natural for you, too.

I just finished watching a DVD from the PDGA 2003 Tour. A lot of good putting footage in there from the pro's. I think it's helped my game already.

Yesterday before a round i was shooting around with all my discs and noticed i was putting my valkyrie pro 167 the best.. So on the course i used it as my putter and i shot one of the best rounds of my life... i hit almost every putt... i think it has to do with the grip of it i dno... but i got me a new putter :cool:

Wow thanks, I have a hyzer putt too, and I used your tip of putting a little annie on the longer putts with great results last night in a best disc doubles round, worked like a charm. :cool:

Sorry to rain on your parade but that dog won't hunt IMO. Basically, throwing non putters for putting gives you greater range with less effort but the blow bys will kill you in the long run.

when im doing really crappy at putts, i usually switch to a midrange. basically any change helps. it makes you focus more, and makes you at least think you have a better chance. its mainly psychological, but if it works, it works. in the long run, putter will be better. but that dosent mean you cant ever putt with somehting else. i dont even own a putter. i use a classic roc. i dont have any problems with it yet.

I've almost always carried 2 putters of different molds in my bag. I feel when I start missing too many putts, it helps to pull out one of a different style that won't go too far past the basket on blow bys. I use a roc on anything too long though, so it could be looked at as 3 putters.

My form is similar to synchros.
I started with the short arm technique found on blakes site, but found it more natural to be standing a bit sideways, right foot at about 45 degrees. As the distance goes up, the more I get sideways.

I guess my release is a little different also, when my arm is going back it goes back & up. When I go to release, it goes forward & down. I guess you'd call it an anhyzer putt, but I put enough speed on it to elimate any lowspeed fade left. So bascially it's a left to right fast flight. Timing is the key, if you miss you will surely have a 10-20 foot comeback putt.
Within 40 feet I'm pretty solid with the above technique. If I'm over that I may still try to anhyzer it & let it flex back, but I found myself more successfull when I hyzer it towards the basket at longer distances.

Practice practice. I start my day putting at least a 100 times. It's a good way to warm up before playing a round.

rocs are allowed I just freaked when I saw the jk valk being used :o :D

rocs are allowed I just freaked when I saw the jk valk being used :o :D


Sharky, I just got a shark. I'm liking it for longer putts, a little more glide than the putters, and straight as an arrow.

Cool that too is allowed under sharky rules funnything is I do not throw a shark myself DX or Champion?

hey sharky, i throw a paper plate for a putter.....is that "allowed" my all-knowing official disc-golf guru?

I used to use a shark for putting after i lost my avier putter. but then i lost the shark

I started practicing in my apartment, 15ft from my bedroom door, down the hallway to the end of the living room. I'm getting pretty good at hitting the pillow on my sofa, however I have even more trouble with baskets now. :D

I have a practice basket in my living room.... I can putt from 15 feet without worrying about missing & breaking something. It's going to come in handy during the snowy winter months.

On a side note, I was a putting GOD today. I don't think I missed anything inside of 30 feet.
I'd say my advice on practice putting before a round is GOLD.
It was a bit windy so I practiced from different distances & different places to see what the wind would do to the putter. When it came time to actually play, it surely paid off.
I'd say since I've started the practice before a round that I've lost 5 strokes/avg per game. (but my drives have gotten a bit more accurate too, so I'm sure that helps)

Sounds perfect for you, super light weight.

I attended the season's first glow mini last night and actually took it in a playoff. My drives were nothing special, but when it came to putting, I couldnt miss. I was hitting everything within 10m, and about 50/50 from 10-20m. :confused: me putting like this just doesnt happen. But everytime I let go, I could feel every aspect of the putt, and it felt good. So, was I forced to concentrate on my mechanics because it was dark, or am I just that good? :cool:And how can I translate that into good practices for daylight putting?

Yes of course you are that good, you did it, accept your good putting openly. Confidence starts on the inside and then works it's way into your game.

I play a buttload of nightgolf, and putting is allways much better in the dark. We don't put lights on our putters, but I for one hit a TON of putts then I can't hit in the day.

Me and my friend have noticed we park better in the dark two. Just yesterday we were joking around that we need to play day rounds with a welding visor we can flip down for putting :P

Just a guess, but when you putt in the dark you take your brain out of it and let your body do the work. Most of us are decent/good putters when we get down to the core, but we think too much and it costs us.

Just a guess, but when you putt in the dark you take your brain out of it and let your body do the work. Most of us are decent/good putters when we get down to the core, but we think too much and it costs us.



I would agree. Sometimes we all tend to overthink Putts and Drives alike.

Geoff I did the same thing last winter. Everyone was surprised how good I was puting at night. As you know it hasn't helped my putting in the light.

Try this sometime , if you ever have the chance :

Try putting in a room with black walls and ceilings.

Position two strobe lights on same frequency.

Putt with either a Glow or White putter from 15-25 feet !!!!!!!

It helps to have a Basket in Powder coat Glow material !!!!!!

DUDE !!!!!!!! Trippy slow motion !!!!!:cool:

I was thinking the same thing: practice is the answer only if you have proper technique. If have not developed putting form, you may be reinforcing a flaw.

I got some great advice from Blake, either from the board or from his articles. I think he helped me with my grip as the locals kept "making suggestions" until I didn't know how to grip it. I also saw a video of someone putting with what Blake had described, and it was very helpful.

I like to get a little putting practice in between rounds for confidence purposes (and to figure out the wind). When I played basketball, I felt like I had the upperhand because I would shoot baskets for an extra 30 min or so before the game. I carry this over to disc.

I know I've proven to myself one thing in the past couple weeks.

When I practice putting before playing I putt good. If I don't practice before playing my putting sucks.
Simple enough. :D

On a sad note: I left one of my practice Wizards somewhere....:mad: I feel like I lost a child. (good thing I have 4 more)

Similar to putting in the dark, I've noticed that I'm a better putter on a windy day. I think it's because on a windy day, I use more force and strike the disc into the chains. On a calm day, I have a bad habit of trying to float the disc to the basket, often ending by bonking into the side of the cage.

So, throw it into the chains instead of tossing it into the basket.

OK , I have one question :

How do you putt , during the end of a long tournament , when your dead tired of playing and your strength is not there ?

Thats just how I putt in the dark. During the day, I try to finesse it in, but at night, a straight forced putt means it's chains or nothing (more of a straight push than an arcing flick). I guess I just need to develop my a consistent style and stick with that...and practice more.

OK , I have one question :

How do you putt , during the end of a long tournament , when your dead tired of playing and your strength is not there ?



Practice by playing a bunch a rounds in a day or doing field work for a while. Then you won't get tired.

Your body has plenty of energy to putt the disc in the basket. You are mentally tired. You are telling yourself you're tired. Just learn to focus better.

OK , I have one question :

How do you putt , during the end of a long tournament , when your dead tired of playing and your strength is not there ?



Practice by playing a bunch a rounds in a day or doing field work for a while. Then you won't get tired.

Your body has plenty of energy to putt the disc in the basket. You are mentally tired. You are telling yourself you're tired. Just learn to focus better.



I agree. It's mental, and you get sloppy/lazy. Focus like you would early in the round.

Putting advice?

Well, I'm an authority, since I do more of it than anybody.

Just run at each putt, as hard as you can, and when it eventually goes in, you'll feel that satisfaction that comes with every successful aggressive-chain banging putt.

Of course, if you're more interested in a low score, rather than satisfaction, you should probably just go with TB's advice.

TB like at the wilmont, where one putts every 10 min. or so. I find it hard to keep a decent putt every hole out there.

I have found the best thing that has helped me in getting above that 80% make mark inside of 30ft is mimicing the pros.

I switch on and off between a straddle and a straight putt.

When I am straddling I focus on "being like Barry"

When I do a straight putt I focus on "being like Cam".

A few times while playing rounds with people they comment that I have the form as Barry when straddle putting. It makes me feel good and confident.

Of course, I think that confidence is the key to putting. If you are not confident you will make the disc hit that particular link (5 links down on the 1 o'clock chain) with hyzer, then you are going to miss it almost every time.

Putting wins tournaments.

Watching others putt has definately helped me. I think it was Blake that directed me to some clips that I still will open on occasions to compare my routine to.

Also, a straddle putt is good to have for putting around obstacles. I do not work use a straddle putt, but when I park it behind a tree, I have no choice.

I find having two styles of putting available to me is invaluable. I can switch to one or the other if a particular style is not working that day. One tournament I may be doing all straddle putts, the other all straight stance putts. The motion is almost identical with my arms on either putt, but mentally it seems different. (I also use the twist putt once and a while, but that is only if I have to putt over a bush that is above my waist height).

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it aint random when its a tard like you

Just call me a random tard and your my biggest fan! :D

OK , I have one question :

How do you putt , during the end of a long tournament , when your dead tired of playing and your strength is not there ?



Practice by playing a bunch a rounds in a day or doing field work for a while. Then you won't get tired.

Your body has plenty of energy to putt the disc in the basket. You are mentally tired. You are telling yourself you're tired. Just learn to focus better.



I agree. It's mental, and you get sloppy/lazy. Focus like you would early in the round.



What if you run out of focus ? Brain dead tired ? :confused:

TRAIN! I play 3 round days a couple days a week before a tourney. 2 round days seem easy then.
But the WTHDI know. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Building up strength and endurance. Thanks , I'll give it a try !!! :D

Switching to putters only ?

http://www.centxdglove.com/putterman.gif

I feel my putting gets better the more, longer I play. Especially during tournaments when my adrenalin may be accelerated at the beginning. Of course, I did make my last putt during a tournament yesterday, about an 80 foot turbo. In general, if it is a multible (2-3) rounds/day of a weekend, I always play better late. My first round is pretty weak. Of course, I am pretty new a tournament play. Anyone else have similar experiences?
Chad

Turbo from 80 feet ? :eek:

Tournaments are 100% mental. And putting is usually the first thing to go. You can sit there and make 90% of putts in practice, then only make about 60-70% in casual play, and then see it drop below 50% in a tournament from the same distances.

Some people I know have trouble starting off in competition, some start really well and blow up on the final day/round.

Knowing your weaknesses in a tournament can only make you a better golfer. Exploit and practice those weaknesses.

Making a long putt at the end of a tournament can really turn around your whole memory of the event. A buddy and I finished 2 strokes out of the cash (Adv) in a doubles championship this summer, when we felt going into the event that we had a good shot a winning. However, our dismal performance was irradicated when I nailed a 80ft duece on the final hole which was a tight 390ft turnover through woods. That at least made us feel better.

Also as far as bad putting early in the tournament. If I miss the first putt, I just tell myself that this was the worst that could happen at the tournament, and I have gotten it out of my system. It is better to miss the first putt, then the last putt on the lead card for the win. But jitters are a normal part of competition, once you play more tournaments you will either get them less or learn to play through it.

Nice call : " Also as far as bad putting early in the tournament. If I miss the first putt, I just tell myself that this was the worst that could happen at the tournament, and I have gotten it out of my system. It is better to miss the first putt, then the last putt on the lead card for the win.
But jitters are a normal part of competition, once you play more tournaments you will either get them less or learn to play through it".

Comes with experience in tournament play !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

There are no "jitters" physically, it's just establishing confidence that is the problem. I am a professional musician and perform (classical music, so it can be quite nerve racking at times) in front of many people and I deal with adrenaline a certain way there. I practice before the rounds and I get to where every shot is on, then once the horn sounds the sh*t comes out of my game. I guess experience is the only factor missing thus far.
CD

Sounds like you know how to deal with pressure , perfoming in front of audiences. That sounds like the fun part !!!! The hard part is always thinking about it !!!!! Or not !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Youre, absolutely right, you can't think about it, I need to be aware of that at the next tourney, or should I not be aware of it......

There are no "jitters" physically, it's just establishing confidence that is the problem. I am a professional musician and perform (classical music, so it can be quite nerve racking at times) in front of many people and I deal with adrenaline a certain way there. I practice before the rounds and I get to where every shot is on, then once the horn sounds the sh*t comes out of my game. I guess experience is the only factor missing thus far.
CD



You totally suck. I double-tongue wayyyy faster than you. :D

BRING IT BEEYATTCHHH!!!! Thats like saying you and Keldog can drink..
Good to hear from you DR!
Chad

Got to ask ya about the guy's head in the urinal ? :eek:

Too much to drink ? 16 shots of jager and 4 longisland ice tea's would do the trick with a side dish of sushi !!!!

I didnt take it. just saw it on another message board and thought it was funny

:D That guy is slammed !!!! Better there instead of someones car !!!!! :eek: :D

Does that picture bring back any memories DR? :D

Yeah, like that night we all got plastered on Dixon St. and you took that fat chick home.

<<<<<<<< Replace the urinal with two-ton Tina and that makes for a bad morning. :D:D:D

:D:D:D
Okay before we start false rumors, lets not talk about you and JH's old apartment....remember HD or who was that chick with the crossed eyes :D:D
Turbo

BTW, I think that was Nate Dog with "Christina Farley"...ON MY COUCH!!!!! :mad:

HD raped me. That was not consentual. She was not bad looking but a complete psycho.

NATE DOGGGGGGGGGG! Never have I known a bigger pimp. He had all the women. LOL!

Was she able to fit into his shorts ?

She couldn't even fit into her own shorts.. :D
BTW, I have a beautiful, intelligent fiance who loves disc golf, (probably because I leave her alone) and DR knows her well. We were at a fraternity formal several years back, DR got completely trashed, came down to our room and passed out on our bed leaving his hot [I'm a potty-mouth!] date alone. We left him be, my girlfriend and I, those Texas folk are weird man, he might wake up shooting and bombing people. That was a trip, we woke up with him in his boxers sucking his thumb, sucked about as hard as his driving.... :D:D:D
Holy Crap thats funny...

My putting has been great all week after I took Blake_T's adive and switched my grip to a 3 to 4 o'clock position on the disc. It was a very easy switch and it really works. :D

In what way do you mean 3 oclock to 4 oclock?
Chad

When you hold the disc where the MEAT of your hand goes. 12o'clock being the top(away from body) and 6 being (towards your body)

I still don't understand where that is..
It sounds like your wrist is in an open postion from the start, it doesn't seem like you could get much spin with your wrist closer to your body. I'm interested in knowing....I (as everyone else) need help putting and would love to try it...
Chad

That's kinda the point by reducing the spin on the putt but the closer you get to 6 o'clock the more consistant your release will be but it reduces the power you can create. Believe me this has worked with a few GOOD pros I know as well as for me so I am pretty confident this will help. BTW this is not my own original thoughts on the subject but what Blake_t has told me over the phone.

Interesting. In a wind I would guess you would need more spin however, leading to my question:

Do you change your starting hand position depending on outside factors, such as wind, low overhead shots, and distance of the putt or do you go with one grip for consistancy?

thanks

I guess I just putt at the three o'clock position all the time anyway. I have never thought anything of it, I just copy the top pros in our area.

But changing orientation for changing the spin makes sense.

I stick with my four O'clock position at all times and the good thing about this putt is that it makes it a lot easier to putt striaght and straight putts are the best in the wind. So after 5 years of hyzer putting I finally switch. :D

:D Oh , nice Avatar by the way !!!!!

Yeah i have been looking for new ones. i'll start changing it every week. :D

Be careful to not make them too revealing !!!! :o

Hey all i'm doing is showing some pics of my GT class field trip last year. :D

Oh yea..................GGW tour !!!!! :D

Something like that. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif