I just bought a 175g pro Starfire last weekend and I must say that I'm very impressed. It's fast, has a lot of glide, and doesn't have a harsh turn. I also found it's pretty easy to turn over and floats for a good amount of time. The first time throwing it I'd say my distance has improved about 20-30ft. simply by throwing this instead of one of my other drivers, which include a 174g. Champion Beast, 174g. Champion Orc, 172g. Cheetah, and a 175g. Valkrie. Congrats to Innova for making exactly what I was looking for in a driver. What do you guys think who have used it?

i got 3 but i dont think they better than the orcs i but the reason i got 3 is i always have 2 of a disc i use and i got a 165 to use as a trick disc

I have a 175 red Pro starfire and I don't like it at all.. It's smaller than my other drivers.. you can see the difference. realy weird.. and i find it to be not very controllable.. I'd rather throw a teebird because i don't gain that much Distance from the starfire.

just my $.02

-Scott Lewis

If you like it that much you better buy 4 more, because the pro plastic won't hold up very long. I loved mine for a month, but after that it was useless. Maybe you should invest in a CFR starfire. It will last alot longer.

Never leave home without your orc



i heard that!!! :D

If you like it that much you better buy 4 more, because the pro plastic won't hold up very long. I loved mine for a month, but after that it was useless. Maybe you should invest in a CFR starfire. It will last alot longer.



How does the CFR Starfire compare to the Pro Starfire?

the CFR Starfire -L is the same mold in champion plastic.

the CFR Starfire -X is more overstable.

the CFR Starfire -F how much you want for it?

: ) :

I love the Pro Starfire when new ... but have broken a couple in to the point where they can only be used on very open holes because they do get a little flippy when thrown with full power, and less dependable for accuracy shots. For me, the broken in Pro still has its uses, it just requires more finesse and control ... not a problem if you throw the same disc all the time. When they start to get flippy, they are less useful in windy situations.
I have beaten a couple of Pro Starfires really well, and although the flight characteristics have changed, the plastic is still very good and hasn�t been damaged much, i.e., no gouges, nicks or cuts. I wouldn�t say the plastic is crappy or cheap, they just have a shorter �broken in� life.
The CFR's I have, and have had for some time, are still [not quite] broken in, although one of them is starting to fly like a Pro, but at a much lighter weight than I throw in Pro plastic (163-170g in CFR vs. 168-173g in Pro). I would guess that they have a longer �broken in� period than the Pro, which is how they are designed. CFR's are much more dependable in wind, and even the one that I have that is almost perfectly broken in can handle wind without sacrificing accuracy.

What do you guys think who have used it?



Try the following pre-existing threads where you will find a wealth of opinions on the awesome Pro Starfire!

Pro Starfires, how do I throw thee? (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Throwing Techniques&Number=367856&Searchpage=0&Main=367856&Search=true�Post367856)
2nd run CFR vs pro Starfires (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=355023&Searchpage=0&Main=355023&Search=true�Post355023)
Pro Starfire (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=349763&Searchpage=0&Main=349763&Search=true�Post349763)
Pro Starfire (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=326502&Searchpage=1&Main=326502&Search=true�Post326502)

Yours floats? I lost mine in a pond in Ingleside; the damned thing flipped right in... I did love it while I had it, but it was a longer stingray by the time I lost it.

I haven't bothered to get another one as it seems inefficient. I need to look into a cfr. I'm liking the wraith though.

I think he meant that it "floats" through the air for a significant amount of time. I definitely concur.

I'll admit Pro Starfires aren't the most durable discs in the world, but I can't argue with the extra distance. To achieve longer wear and avoid flipping, I've moved up from 171g to 174g and I keep them far away from trees.

just get a wriath... your game will thank you.

I have a 173g CFR 2006 Pro Worlds Wraith and it's nothing like the Pro Starfire. The ratings for the Wraith are 11,5,0,3 (Speed, Glide, High Speed Turn, Fade) and the ratings for the Pro Starfire are 10,5,-1,2. My Wraith does not "waggle" at all unless thrown directly into a moderate headwind, and it has a more pronounced fade. My Pro Starfires turn more and fade less, resulting in straighter throws and (usually) more distance.

Actually I have a 172g. pro wraith, I've only thrown it a couple times though, not nearly enough to form an opinion on it yet. From what I hear I might have to invest in a CFR Starfire. To me the starfire just seems to carry though. The first time throwing it I was getting my furthest drives. Although I can see how it would get a little flippy over time, it does tend to be a little understable.

Give up on the starfire, just throw orcs :D

Or Illusions :o:o

Or Illusions :o:o



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Give up on the starfire, just throw orcs :D



From Innova's website: (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/prostarfire.html)
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I like the Orc for predictability. Again, although the Orc ratings are similar, (10,4,-1,3 - Speed, Glide, High Speed Turn, Fade) the Pro Starfire has more glide and less fade than the Orc and travels farther for me.

From Innova's website: (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/prostarfire.html)
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http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/ratings/speed-10.gif

I like the Orc for predictability. Again, although the Orc ratings are similar, (10,4,-1,3 - Speed, Glide, High Speed Turn, Fade) the Pro Starfire has more glide and less fade than the Orc and travels farther for me.

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Come on now, I was just kidding. The real point is.... it doesn't matter what you throw, just learn how to throw it. I personally prefer my orcs because I have spent the time to learn them, and I know what they will do. I might not get the extra 10-20 feet from them, but that's where my killer putting comes in ;)

I like the pro starfire and the pro wraith. I'm debating whether to buy a cfr wraith. My adventures with my avengers leads me to believe they may be completely different.

i love my cfr Wraith. the only differnce is that the CFR is a little less flippy and high speed. i used to use the pro for hyser flips with no wind and now i use the CFR for the same shot but can also throw it in the wind.

What is the best weight in a Pro StarFire ?

170grams ?
172grams ?
173grams ?
174grams ?

I have some of each.

I'm a little mixed on the pro starfire. This disc has a ton of glide and will fly with the best of them, but I find it hard to work this disc. No matter how hard I throw it it won't turn over and just wants to fade left. I get the same distance (about 410') from an orc or sidewinder. The starfire is very sensitive to release angle.

I've had my best and longest throws with a broke in 172 red starfire

What is the best weight in a Pro StarFire ?

170grams ?
172grams ?
173grams ?
174grams ?

I have some of each.



I've noticed a few grams weight actually making a difference. I first bought several 172g Pro Starfires and moved up one gram at a time to 174g. The lighter ones had a touch more high speed turn, less low speed fade, were less headwind resistant, and weren't as durable. The 174g Pro Starfires fly a little straighter and I'm getting several months of life out of them instead of just a few months. (especially since I'm not throwing them anywhere near trees anymore)

I've noticed that the light wights work best for me (169-172) when conditions are low wind, or a tail wind and the disc is not too broken in. Cross winds or head winds make the disc real flippy. With a tail wind this disc will go and go(sometimes past where I'd hope). Conditions conditions conditions. Heaver weights work better in cross winds, but still unpredictable for me.

Never leave home without your orc



i heard that!!! :D



I agree, I've been trailling Pro Starfires, Dx Beast & Ch Orcs as my max D driver, & while I can all get them to around the same distance, The Orc wins out because of its flight consistency.
The Pro Starfire has great speed & glide, but not enough control to be useful to me as a front line disc. Might still find a use for it though.

Weight is a big factor for the starfire. I got huge D out of it, but I was flipping it big time. For those that it finished left for, I figure you had one near max weight. Mine was 165 and I could flip it just fine; however, I flipped it unintionally a few times, the last time into the pond at Ingleside.