I have a Dragon which I got maybe a month ago. And I really liked it and threw it well until the last week. All of a sudden I am having problems with it.

Sometimes when it comes out of my hand now it's like a wounded duck. It just loses aerodynamics and crashes.

What up with that? I still use it when I absolutely do not want to go left because my other discs tend to be overstable. But I hate it when the thing goes nutzo on me.

Try aiming for a dumpster.


J/K

understable discs don't mask form flaws like overstable discs do. I ran into this when I first got an express. Even the slightest rist roll will show up with a disc like a dragon. On top of that, it's probably light, so that makes it even more obvious.

Isnt there only one weight?

Yes I think all of them weighs about 150grams :cool:

Try an Archangel (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/archangel.html)

They are just about the exact same disc, with the exception of weight and plastic.

Or try the JLS it is also very similar if not the same mold as the dragon in different plastic.

A very good source that many people recommend is This site. (http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/choosingadisc.shtml#best)

I have not thrown the JLS, but figured it'd be similar to the LS, which was a very reliable straight disc for me. Never thrown an Archangel either, but I can put the Dragon on an extreme hyzer, and still goes farther right(rhbh) than forward. I have an early run transluscent yellow, if that makes a difference.

Will
If you're rolling over (your wrist) on a Dragon, then work on your followthru. Try to keep your disc flat or try to throw hyzers (like all the time). Try to find what it feels like to throw a smooth hyzer as compared to a smooth flat line drive. The sudden turns should get better.

If you're delivery is fine, then DON'T get an Archangel. I've thrown both, and the AA will turn right HARDER than a Dragon. You should find a Sidewinder more to your liking. The change in Speed (8 to 9) and the change in plastic (to Champion) should offset to change in Turn numbers (-2 to -3). If you think it might go left too much, then get something under 170. Think it might go right too much, then go max weight.

When you get your delivery right, you will turn the Dragon over (the right way), then climb the ladder....Sidewinder, Valk, Viking, Firebird. I am working my way up.

Enjoy the ride :)

... good post there from Kentucky ... super-detailed info. ... :)
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... one other point about having the Dragon in your arsenal : it floats in water ! ... invaluable on same courses ... :cool:

Yep discs sure look nice floating in the middle of a pond. ;)

Yep discs sure look nice floating in the middle of a pond. ;)


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... true ... but that's preferred over sinking into Davy Jones locker & becoming a "turtle condo" ... :D

That's why carry my #2 driver...works great for s, straight, and anhyzers..all depending on wrist angle.

i never really liked the dragon until another local course was added that had a "pond" hole. This shot requires either a hyzer between a small gap or a big anhyzer over the trees. Both routes can really be unlucky, the trees have ways of denying all shots but no matter what i always get the dragon back (with the help of a canoe), meanwhile others have lost many discs, and the water is swampy. Anyways, just wanted to say the dragon is not terrible, it just kinda sucks. btw anyone have a first run dragon? The plastic is really strange, like tupperware.

Is there any special markings on first runs? I know I bought one of the first ones sold in Columbus, Ohio. I'll post a picture tonight when I get home.

That's why carry my #2 driver...works great for s, straight, and anhyzers..all depending on wrist angle.


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... now there's another good "float-in-water" disc ... Lightning makes 'em from 172g to 178g ... so you can bust through a headwind if needed ...
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... both of these discs would seem "un-conventional" -or- "out-of-the-loop" to the mainstream of Tournament Disc Golfers ; but , I like my plastic (& I like keeping it) ... Dragon 150g -and- # 2 Driver 177g stay in my bag ... :cool:

and if you didn't throw like a little girl, you could get across the water. :D

Is the archangel a driver or midrange? I have a glow archangel with the star stamp on it; I don't remember where I got it, but I know it was the only glow disc I could find at the time. The problem with it was that it doesn't seem to go very far.

I've never really had the opportunity (nor interest from others) to actually play at night. I keep it in the bedroom as it gives off a relaxing glow as I'm trying to fall asleep.

I'm also from Kentucky by the way. Unfortunately they don't have any courses installed near Murray. So I play a couple of object courses here during the week and drive to Bowling Green, Nashville or Evansville to play on the weekend.

Thanks for the detailed info on the Dragon. I have noticed that the times when it goes out of control are when I am throwing it hard. I guess I am over-throwing and screwing my form up.

and if you didn't throw like a little girl, you could get across the water. :D


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... and Mr.2-or-3Putt : [email protected]*#[email protected] ... :D

and if you didn't throw like a little girl, you could get across the water. :D



I can normally throw across the water, but I don't want to shank a disc into a pond, when I'm a poor college student looking for work.

Money is tight even when you're not a college student....

Yep discs sure look nice floating in the middle of a pond. ;)


That's where I found my dragon. Waded in swamp water up to my nipples for it. Wouldn't have done it if I knew it was a dragon.....oh well....makes a nice driver for the nephew or the GF.

I thought I remember reading somewhere that the Dragon is the same mold as the Beast mold just made in a floating plastic, anyone know if this is true?

Not even close. without having thrown a dragon for years now, I was thinking the dragon is domier, thinner rim, taller. The beast is my favorite disc.

... now that'd be a neat question to ask Dave Dunnipace ... somethin' tells me that's not accurate though ... I don't have discs with me to eyeball ; but , it seems like the Dragon has a "sharper" leading edge than a Beast does ... then again , like TwoPutt Wise saying I have a "girlie-arm" , I could be wrong ! :D

Copied and pasted from the Approved Discs page...
DISC DIAMETER MAX WEIGHT
Beast 21.2 176.0
Dragon 21.0 174.3

Yes I think all of them weighs about 150grams :cool:



Actually I have 2 that weigh in at a hefty 175. :D

I can't believe a thread titled "Dragon" has gotten up to 3 pages of posts. The dragon has to be the worst disc ever created. The only person I've ever met who liked is was my DAD! He threw with ZERO snap and it made a nice "S" curve for him. He hit I don't know how many 120ft par saves with it. I tried to throw and released it like this "/" and it flipped over completely and landed UPSIDE DOWN! I've seen people thumber it in a tail wind and the disc did a triple helix. I guess if you are looking for the most understable, unpredictable, floating disc on the market though, the Dragon would be the ultimate champion of the universe. The dragon is the Ford Pinto of the disc golf world. Shiitty, unpredictable, and not worth the material its made out of. At least Dragons don't explode if the hit something.

I've seen people thumber it in a tail wind and the disc did a triple helix.

I've seen this happen also, the guy threw a thumber and the disc flipped twice, then hyzered about 350ft. This guy couldn't throw 200ft backhand, but he could thumb a Dragon 350. In my (limited) experience, discs that float well don't fly well...the Dolphin comes to mind

I never thought the Dragon was that bad. It was actually kind of fun.

Dunipace used to say that it had some unique rolling quality.

I can't believe a thread titled "Dragon" has gotten up to 3 pages of posts.



Exactly what I was thinking


At least Dragons don't explode if the hit something.



Wow!... now that would be an awesome disc! I'd buy a whole truckfull & chuck em at unsuspecting joggers. LOL
:p :p :p :p :p

btw anyone have a first run dragon? The plastic is really strange, like tupperware.


Is there any special markings on first runs? I know I bought one of the first ones sold in Columbus, Ohio. I'll post a picture tonight when I get home.


Still not sure if it's first run, but heard that now they don't say floats on water, but mine does. Also, in the picture it's hard to tell, but the plastic this one is fairly transluscent. My uncle has an orange one that was bought the same day, and his is even more transluscent.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/CreemCheese/dragon.jpg

The dragon has to be the worst disc ever created.



In 2001 at Big D III in the desert. Mike Molnar won the second days competition for long drive throwing a 150 class Dragon.

2003 at the USDGC long drive contest across the lake at Winthrop. Walt haney crushed a Dragon past the 550 mark on an absolutely pure straight shot.

It's not the disc, it's the thrower that can't control it. Although it's much easier to blame the disc. :D

Yes I think all of them weighs about 150grams :cool:



Actually I have 2 that weigh in at a hefty 175. :D



Rick, do you know if they still floats :eek: (no?)

mf100 - Yes the Dragon still floats. Click <font color="purple">here (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/dragon.html) </font>

mf100 - Yes the Dragon still floats. Click <font color="purple">here (http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/dragon.html) </font>


I think he was asking about that special test run of a few 175s. I don't think the 175s float.

The dragon has to be the worst disc ever created.



In 2001 at Big D III in the desert. Mike Molnar won the second days competition for long drive throwing a 150 class Dragon.

2003 at the USDGC long drive contest across the lake at Winthrop. Walt haney crushed a Dragon past the 550 mark on an absolutely pure straight shot.

It's not the disc, it's the thrower that can't control it. Although it's much easier to blame the disc. :D


You are right, its not the disc, its the thrower. But if you were to take a survey at Pro Worlds of how many kept a dragon in their bag, I bet it would be less than 1%. So, no, the disc does not suck. But from your example, only possibly 10 people on the planet know how to utilize the dragon to achieve its maximum potential.

BTW, I think the reason they made it float is to [I'm a potty-mouth!] people off when they start hating it and they chuck it in the lake only to see it come back to them.

I have noticed that the times when it goes out of control are when I am throwing it hard. I guess I am over-throwing and screwing my form up.



When it's smooth and then goes out of control, then go and get that Sidewinder. You'll be :)

To the guys that call the Dragon the worst disc ever made. Sorry, but we can't all throw Rocs 300' or bust Starfires and Firebirds.

I actually don't throw the Dragon anymore. My SW and my Valk do me just fine. BUT, it is still being used. My 11 year throws and wicked tomahawk (sp). Throws it between 150' and 180' and is accurate enough to use it as an approach shot. Now that is different. So give that a try as well.

Oh...and it's now four pages on the Dragon. :D

Maybe the Dragon is the answer to a pressing question: can I tomahawk any disc farther than 200 feet?

I gotta give that a try.

Oh...and it's now four pages on the Dragon. :D




And now, welcome to page 5 on the Dragon! :D

Maybe the Dragon is the answer to a pressing question: can I tomahawk any disc farther than 200 feet?

I gotta give that a try.



Good luck to you on that one. I know I can't...it makes my 3 plates sing painful songs inside my arm :(

Until I discovered the Starfire and the Orion, the Dragon was my longest driver most of the time. Haven't tried it for rolling so that might be the next test now that they back up my 160g & 167g Orion LS.

I've had mixed results with dragons. One dragon I found has the stability of a flash and will glide out past 400' easily in calm conditions. Every other dragon I've ever found was so drastically understable that you had to throw with a ton of hyzer angle to get anything close to a good shot. Overall I've found this disc to be scary long at times but too understable and light to be of consistent use. I'd still rather throw these than archangels though. Those discs just plain suck.

I throw a 150 dragon as a tomahawk and it is amazing!! You dont have to put too much snap on it and it will flip all the way. I dont try to throw it sidearm... i tried once trying to throw it flat and it flipped like crazy... i was embarrased. :o