I'd just like to open a post for praises of the firebird. I recently started throwing with enough power and snap to fall in love with the firebird. I probably have 7 firebirds and here's the breakdown:
CE Firebird: beat in, long, straight, flyer, always hyzers at the end
Champion Firebird: new, great for sidearm and wind, beat in, long and great for any hyzer and sidearm
Pro(candy) Firebird: nice and straight, predictable finish.
Pro(crappy) plastic: stable new, flippy as hell beat, makes a great hyzer flip roller or hard right turn.
DX Firebird: new, act as a firebird should, beat, straight as an arrow.

My control drivers are firebirds and teebirds. I love them both. If there is any wind, I know I can count on my firebirds. Since my long distance anhyzers aren't that great (and still haven't shelled out for a sidewinder), my firebirds are great for any sidearm under 400ft. I love them and now that I have the power, they have a permanent place in my bag. BTW, my first ace ever was with a 160-something pro(candy) firebird. Whenever Innova decides to make SB Firebirds and SB Teebirds, I am buying all of them.

Firechicken, I salute you. And I salute FB lovers. We know who we are and what makes us special. Long live the firebird.

congratulations on finding the love of your life.

Monster.

I just lost my 170 pro candy FB. Was thinking of trying the monster. I use FB for hysers hooks and tommys. Whats the difference between the two? I heard the monster was faster. Is the tommy line the same? (very important)

I just lost my 170 pro candy FB. Was thinking of trying the monster. I use FB for hysers hooks and tommys. Whats the difference between the two? I heard the monster was faster. Is the tommy line the same? (very important)



Did you lose it at Hudson Mills Hole 2?? I found a Pro FB with the stamp worn off. No name or anything on it.

The monster is very overstable, but the firebird goes further. I'm not sure if I want to get a monster or a blaze. (Or, should I stick with an xtreme?)

I decided to get a firebird over a monster, because i heard the monster just knives toward the ground when it begins to fade. firebird is very overstable, but it is more of a fade than just a dive toward the ground.

I just wanted to chime in and agree with the name of this topic.

Almost anybody who's not a brand-snob (will carry whatever discs work for them regardless of manufacturer), has a FB in their bag. It might be one of the most universially carried disc (by those who carry a variety of disc).

Watch people throw a thumber or a tomahawk, and most of the time it will be with a firechicken.

My personal pref are the old Pro (candy plastic) FBs --- about 171g. I've been using the same two discs for several years now, and other than the stamp beginning to fade away, they ware both in fantastic shape considering how often they are thrown (all those thumbers at Pease Park, landing on all those rocks).

I throw my max weight Monster farther than my 171 Firebrd. About 350' pretty accurate RHBH. Thumb the firbird really acurate out to about 250' Monster can substitute about the same line not quite as accurate.

No, catchfire, but your a good guy for posting up. Both my 174 (or 175, i cant remember) and my 170 were construction clear orange, both with Dave McCabe on it and the 170 had a small space creature stamp on it. Im thinking ill keep my max wt candy one for thumbers, extreame wind and try a 170 monster for awhile too.

I don't have a firebird simply because I have a predator and have been told they are similar. I have thrown a firebird and didn't see much difference.

Also, I haven't learned either disc. I'm not sure what happened to my monster; i think I traded it. But, I didn't get too much distance out of it though it is longer than the demon I am currently carrying.

I don't have a firebird simply because I have a predator and have been told they are similar. I have thrown a firebird and didn't see much difference.

Also, I haven't learned either disc. I'm not sure what happened to my monster; i think I traded it. But, I didn't get too much distance out of it though it is longer than the demon I am currently carrying.



...makes sense, the Demon is a midrange. I would say the best overstable discs out there are Spirits, Preds and Firebirds...in the order! :o:D(JK, Firechickens are fine, I just really like fast discs for wind play....who doesn't?)

I got a CE FL (proto FX) in my bag at all times. I use it for that Must Turn In shot. Just throw it as hard as you can and you can count on it to not turn over. ;)

The monster is not a midrange?

I just wanted to chime in and agree with the name of this topic.

Almost anybody who's not a brand-snob (will carry whatever discs work for them regardless of manufacturer), has a FB in their bag. It might be one of the most universially carried disc (by those who carry a variety of disc).




I used to carry a firebird... I liked it, but I found the predator to be a faster disc... faster = more D for what I use it for...

I now am experimenting with the E Spirit...I think eventually it will replace my 1st Run Z Preds...

(I use the X Pred, Z Pred combo instead of my CE FL, FX)

The monster is not a midrange?



No, its a driver...slightly faster than a Firebird, slower than the others I mentioned. I personally never cared for them...either club down to a Firebird or up to a Spirit.

my friend used his firebird for those extreme hyzer holes, but then he found a CFR viper with no name on it and gave up the firebird. the viper is like the firebird on steroids, so he gets more use out of it. my FB is stable enough for me. i cant throw more than 200' with his so called 'Driver'

Once you learn the mystical, sometimes magical, ways of the brute-like Firebird, you will be able to throw it on almost any left-turn hole (rhbh) under 450-500ft. People who have mastered the firebird can throw it straight for 300-400ft with a hard left turn at the end. Which is probably good for at least 25% of all holes. Of course, anything longer than that and you will probably want a maximum distance driver. The great part is, 99% of all disc golfers will NOT turn a Champ Firebird over. So if you put serious speed on a hard anhyzer, you can get some serious S-curve D. But its also great for spike hzyers, thumbers, sidearm, Scoobies, forehand rollers, tomahawks, grenades, etc...
Most people discount overstable drivers because they are too brute-like and hard to learn. But to complete players (i.e. not me) they are invaluable.

People who have mastered the firebird can throw it straight for 300-400ft with a hard left turn at the end.



Ummm...I see a lot of people doing this by throwing it with a TON of reverse right out the hand, and thats HORRIBLE technique for 95% of golf shots.


Most people discount overstable drivers because they are too brute-like and hard to learn. But to complete players (i.e. not me) they are invaluable.



I do agree with you here though...it took time for me to adjust to a Spirit, but now I can't even begin to think about playing without several in my bag.

People who have mastered the firebird can throw it straight for 300-400ft with a hard left turn at the end.



Ummm...I see a lot of people doing this by throwing it with a TON of reverse right out the hand, and thats HORRIBLE technique for 95% of golf shots.


The reason I say that is because I have seen guys who throw with ALOT of snap throw a Firebird straight for about 300-350ft and then a hard hyzer at the end. Which is one of the most useful shots to have. I'm not talking about giant S-ers. Just backhands with flat release and a hellacious amount of snap.

CE FX. The ONLY piece of Innova in my bag. And I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon.

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People who have mastered the firebird can throw it straight for 300-400ft with a hard left turn at the end.



The flick is a sweet disc for the 350'+ straight shot that will fade hard at the end. I like the flick better than the firebird because it just plain goes farther. It can also be muscled out for some straight yardage, unlike a monster.

I can honestly say I haven't learned my predator, but I normally don't require anything more overstable than a talon or z avenger. Most of the holes on my local course are dead straight or dog leg rights. The only extreme hyzer hole is a very short one (174), which gets overthrown with something like a predator or a firebird.

The flick is a sweet disc for the 350'+ straight shot that will fade hard at the end. I like the flick better than the firebird because it just plain goes farther. It can also be muscled out for some straight yardage, unlike a monster



Bingo...thats why I love Spirits.

I muscle my Monster out to 375' straight with a left drop at the end. My longest drive has come with a firebird straight 425' must be something in my form, a little wrist roll maybe, I dont care , Ill take this straight distance any day of the week,Dont even really need it around here

I like the FB too. It's just an awesome disc as said...it won't turn over, and it doesn't just dive bomb when it hyzers, assuming you've put a decent amount of spin and snap on it. All but one disc I throw is Innova (not just out of loyalty, but I've found Innova is more widely available), but I've got to give it to the 150g Z-Flick. That is one awesome disc. If a 150g FB or Monster came out, I'd probably swap, because I bet they'd fly similarly.

I agree also that the FB is the most useful disc...thumber, hyzer, or forehand. Bottom line: most predictably disc I throw.

I've got a CFR Viper too, those are just sickly overstable.

I've got a CFR Viper too, those are just sickly overstable.


Yeah they are. I have a CFR Viper X-out and the disc is disgusting. The only thing I can use it for is thumbers. Its so overstable it will do a barrel roll and flip almost 360 degrees and then start rolling toward the basket. Its just sick.

Have to love the FB.
Wouldn't choose anything else to throw long into a headwind.

Love the Champ for big fades, S's & strong headwinds
(I was comparing them with the Monster today & re-found little difference except the feel - I like the FB better, bye bye monster)
Also use a few Dx's, (new to old)
new - into wind & straight with fade
middle - great straight low flat driver, little fade
older - nice flip disc, acting like Pro Starfires (another mold gone after testing)

So glad I found it.
Wouldn't be without it.

If a 150g FB or Monster came out, I'd probably swap, because I bet they'd fly similarly.



Have you tried the monster in 165? I use monsters and FBs as my main drivers, and a 165 monster with a little touch of anny will fly just like a firebird, but just go farter because it is faster.