There's been so much talk about old school discs. I figure I'll throw something out there. How does the cyclone compare to todays discs? Does anyone find any similarities in flight and/or distance to other stuff?

From what I've seen/heard, I would compare a cyclone to an eagle.I've used both for long approach/drives, and found them to be pretty interchangeable.

for me its more like a teebird, only a little slower, with more float/glide.

Do you think it flies as far as a tee-bird?

I think the EliteX Cyclone is a lot like a DX Teebird (the wing is a little thicker, and a bit shorter), but I agree, it has more glide. The Z version is more stable and flies like a different disc when new, I never cared for the Z version, so really didn't take the time to break it in, it's probably really nice once it gets beat. I love the EX Cyclones, great disc, easy to throw and get good D with, even when brand new.
I can throw a Cyclone as far as a Teebird, but I think the Teebird is more stable in the wind because of it's faster speed.

I'm not sure what plastic my clones are in, its not elitez or x, might be that ex someone mentioned, cause I don't thikn its pro-d either, but it might be. It is slower than a teebird, but I think its a little more forgiving than a teebird too. The thing I really like is how it fits in my hand and the way it comes off it too.

Sorry, I wrote EX, but I meant EliteX. Is your plastic flydye? I think the flydye discs [occasionally] feel a little different, but they are EliteX. If you have a old disc, it might be one of there older plastics, I'm not sure. I think they only use 4 now (but I could be wrong), Photon Glo, ProD, EliteX, and EliteZ.

Hank,

imo, the d cyclone stability is:
high speed stability between a dx gazelle and dx cheetah, slightly flippier than a gazelle, slightly more stable than a cheetah.
low speed stability between a dx gazelle and dx cheetah, fades slightly more than a gazelle and slightly less than a cheetah.
speed: slightly slower than a gazelle

distance-wise, on average i could always throw a gazelle about 5-10' farther than a cyclone, i could throw an eagle 10-15' farther than a gazelle, i could throw a valkyrie 10-15' farther than an eagle. so based on that, i would say a valk is 25-40' longer than a cyclone.

in terms of the flightpath, i would compare the d clone's flight to a slower eagle, and i consider these 2 discs to be some of the most versatile discs of all time.

Thanks Blake. I am always happy when you respond; the advice I got from you concerning putting has greatly improved my game.

Interesting you mention the gazelle. I started with a black cyclone with a custom stamp and a gazelle. I forget where the gazelle came in, but I think it was my longest D driver.
Does anyone have any experience with Bone's post about the z being a completely different disc?

I have flipped both of my cyclones into the lake (of course they are at least 7 years old), and I am not sure if I should go old school ( as the kids say these days ) or pick up an x or even z clone. I loved the clone 2; it's sad that it is not in production any longer, but the xtreme is similar.

i only have a handful of throws with a Z cyclone when it was first released, but to me it was a LOT more overstable than the D with less D, less glide, more high speed stable, way more low speed overstable. flight reminded me more of an x xtra or x-clone, but with less glide.

personally, i prefer aged clones to new ones.

Just remember when looking at Cyclones that there are two molds; 1.0 stability and 1.5. They do fly alot differently. My favorite and (I feel) most contollable is the 1.5 X Cyclone. The 1.0's are too flippy for me and the 1.5 Z is a pig and more overstable than I want out of a Cyclone.

I have a 0 stability cyclone. Sweet roller!!

My favorite disc ever was a pink cyclone. Grand Woods in Lansing, MI ate it. :(

Was it solid pink?

I was hoping he was gonna say cyclone 2, I like those as well.

I was gonna start a post on the next topic, but we kind hit it here.

I have noticed that some of my x plastic flies further than z. Is that because it breaks in quicker?

I love my Clone's. I have a Cyclone, Cyclone 2, and an X Clone all from the early nineties that are still my favorite all-around drivers. They are all very stable and seem to go exactly where I want them to. The X Clone is a little faster.

I bought a new Pro D Cyclone that behaves just like my old ones. As I stated in another topic they fly as far as my newer molds (wraiths, orc, teebirds) on any given drive. The seem more controllable to me as well. I love em! I guess when you've been throwing them forever they become your main plastic.

Haven't yet tried any Clones in X or Z plastic. I kind of prefer the "cheap" stuff.

I don't throw cyclones anymore, mainly because they just don't quite have the distance I need. You guys compare them to eagles and teebirds, but I think eagles and teebirds will both outfly a cyclone, as they are a bit faster. The cylone is a great disc for beginners or holes where you need dead straight drives. The Z cyclone is an anomaly and doesn't fly at all like the D or X cyclone. Overall the cylone is decent but I'd take a DX eagle or Teebird over one any day.

i only have a handful of throws with a Z cyclone when it was first released, but to me it was a LOT more overstable than the D with less D, less glide, more high speed stable, way more low speed overstable. flight reminded me more of an x xtra or x-clone, but with less glide.

The Z cyclone sucks. If you are looking for easy straight drives, look elsewhere. This thing flies like crap. Use a predator or flick and you get the same flight except better speed.

personally, i prefer aged clones to new ones.

I am fond of older plastic as well, but the way I hit trees, they are very inefficient. I can't afford to replace them...

I've heard the same about the z clone, which is why I haven't tried it. The avenger is another disc that is quite different in z plastic.

But, the x plastic beats up so fast that I will probably have to stop throwing it soon.

Also, I have thrown the x plastic cyclone (i think that's what it was; it wasn't the old plastic) and it was similar to the cyclones of old, a tad more overstable, but basically a straight flyer.

I was told that the z cyclones were similar to z wildcats; I'm thinking maybe they meant regular cyclone was similar to z wildcat.

Anyone else see this comparison?

Hank:

my advice is to learn to love beat plastic. discs are only new for a short time, and then they are broken in forever.

i've never really found a clone that similar to a wildcat as i've found the cat to be a lot less predictable in its finish and quite a bit more squirrely at high speeds.

I was told that the z cyclones were similar to z wildcats; I'm thinking maybe they meant regular cyclone was similar to z wildcat.

Anyone else see this comparison?



Not a chance! Cyclone is slow. Wildcats take any speed I give them and hold it. It would take a LOT for me to get a Cyclone over 300'. I can get my Wildcats around 400'. Most of my Wildcats have an assured flex at the end, not so for the 'clones.

My wild cat is definately faster than my cyclone. As I think about it, most of the holes on my local course are about 200 ft (only 1 that is 550 and 1 that is 400 or so); I suppose that's what makes the cyclone so good here where distance is not a factor.

Back to the z cyclone: would it break into a new regular clone? Or is the z simply too durable to break in?

it will break in, but not like a d or x cyclone.

when a d/dx disc breaks in gradually (assuming you don't horribly taco it on its first throw), the first thing to go is the fade component, that is, the disc will begin to fade later and slightly less. once it has aged in that regard it will lose its high speed stability and become flippier.

when a champ/z disc breaks in, the first thing to go is the high speed stability, which generally followed by the disc fading later... but i have found it takes a very long time to get the actual fade distance to decrease. generally, a full seasoning on a champ/z disc takes 12-18 months depending upon how many times you throw it.

I was just telling one of my friends about my fave 1.5 X Cyclone that's sitting in a pond. He offered me quite a few 1.5 Z Cyclones, but...
Just like above, I'd have to KILL those things to get them flying right. Not worth the effort.

I've been throwing all of these so called faster drivers, and they don't come close to flying as far as my cyclones!

The Orc and Tee-Bird comes close, but I can still throw the Cyclone 350' to 400'

Maybe I'm not giving them very much of a chance, but I have a pretty big arm and the cyclone is pretty **** fast for me.

For those with big arms, disc selection is not as important I figure. I think you just need to learn the new discs you mention. I don't have much of an arm though, but I find that accuracy is more imporant anyway.

I always thought disc selection was more important for big arms, because the faster the disc flies the more dynamic the forces on it are.

Your probably right. My point was more like: stronger arms can do more with any disc than otherwise.

I've always heard that as your arm develops you switch to primarily overstable plastic.

Clone's, Clone 2's, and X-Clone's have always been my favorite drivers. But I just bought a 175 DX Valkyrie and it just might be moving to #1 in my bag. It's very "Cyclonic" feeling, very accurate, and has a little more D than my Clone's so far. It's a great disc.

Valk is a good disc; I also like the viking. I miss my cylones though. I'm mainly throwing avengers at the moment.

11x Teebirds all the way!!! :)

Cyclones are sweet, but i haven't thrown one since the first 3months i was playing(may-july 2003). I guess I should give one a try again some time.

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I always thought disc selection was more important for big arms, because the faster the disc flies the more dynamic the forces on it are.



the bigger arms really end up settling in on the discs that are truly high speed stable by design, and not just stable due to plastic, speed, etc.

an example of this was watching a guy w/ 550' D turn over a max weight z flick from a 60 degree hyzer angle and then throwing a max weight x predator on the exact same line and having it flatten but not turn. the predator was more inherently high speed stable by design whereas someone that throws say, 300' will likely have an opposite result.

their disc selection becomes less important since they can afford to lose some D in order to get predictability for them.

have only seen a handful of discs out there that are true stable, but they are often the ones you see the big arms going to when they absolutely positively need to know where they are landing. advantage they have is that if they can throw 500' with squirrely disc A, and super stable disc B they can only throw 450', it's a lot easier to switch to disc B when you have that kind of D.

discs i know of that had a rep as being very high speed stable for bigger throwers at any point in DG. teebird, firebird, predator, x2, x-clone, and the roc