Allright this little pet peeve of mine resurfaced on the Patapsco thread.

Instead of hijacking the thread and taking away from the performance of the players, organizers, TD and volunteers I thought it maybe worthwhile to devote a thread to our thoughts.

The immediate concern deals with the MADC region's practice of lumping its A-tiers on 4 consecutive weekends. However if you're outside the region and have a position on the topic feel welcome to share it.

The main question is should a region spread its major events evenly throughout the year so regional players aren't put in a position to pick and choose which events to attend, or should we lump them together to lure the touring guys to "stay in the neighborhood"?

Of course if you feel this is a false premise you can give your reasons why.

I have mixed feelings on this. If I was a touring pro which I hope to be someday I would love to have the TOUR follow a set geographical path so that I wasnt driving all over the place to get from tournament to tournament I could just stay in 1 general area for a month or so. On the other hand I think its really not fair to the locals that cant afford to attend all the TOUR events in their area because they dont have the time or money. This had an effect on me this year. I was low on cash and couldnt attend KCWO Des Moines Michiana AND DGLO which I had hoped to do so I just stayed home and played DGLO.

I dont think its just the NTs and supertours that have scheduling problems though.

I live in Michigan and I think during our tournament season which is pretty much May threw October we had 60+ Sanctioned tournaments in our state. Some weekends I had 4 tournaments to choose from and they were all no more then 2.5 hours from my house. Granted attendence was up at most events but think what attendence and payouts would be like if there was only 1 tournament that weekend. Attendance would have been huge and the pro and am payouts would have been stronger. Instead the pro fields were watered down because they are went to different events and the am field were pretty strong as they usually are. I just think its insane for 1 state to have 64 sanctioned tournaments in a 6 months period. The competition and attendence gets watered down that way.

Maybe it just me but its seems like the PDGA is more worried about quantity or tournaments and event rather then the quality of the events.

I think if something isnt done soon this sport is in big trouble.

Why dont the TDs of 4 C Tier combine their efforts and sponsorship and great 1 amazing A tier instead of having 4 watered down low attended C Tiers???

Whom do we schedule our tournaments for? Should it be for the dues-paying members of our regional organization, a majority of whom have careers and families and can only play one SuperTour per month? Or for the convenience of a handful of touring players?

Apparently the current scheduling czar in our region is abdicating his throne so I think things will change next year.

Texas has/had this issue as well, with States-OK Open (Tulsa, but DFW travels to it)-VPO-Tx10 all falling on consecutive weekends.

As I see it, it's not so much the region/state's issue, it's the national issue of catering to 5-10 players.
Another thing is the need to redefine the purpose of the A-tiers with the presence of the NT. I thought the NT was supposed to replace the A-tier "SuperTour," allowing areas to have one WOW event and then their traditional don't miss big events. Instead it seems we're trying to run 2 top tours, which isn't working too well as the chained events are hurting each other.

I can see why a touring guy would like to see four A tiers all within a 100 mile radius be held the same time of year.

However what percentage of the PDGA body do they make up? Probably less than one percent. Actually if you figure we have 9000 current members, the touring contingent is far less than one percent, more like .003 of the members are actually on the road.

It's my position that we should limit the number of two day events per region and the few A-tiers we do have spread them out as much as possible so the regional players have a better chance of making more of the regions premier events.

Personally, one day B tiers are my favorite events. However I would make more A tiers if we had one in April, one in June, one in August and one in Sept. Puting them all in a short span of 4 or five weeks is a sure recipe for me to miss half of them.

I kinda like them grouped together, but 3 consecutive weeks is about the limit.

I think if the PDGA conducted a poll and got some hard facts, the majority of players would rather have big events in the area spread out. It does make it harder on the touring pros, but as said, they aren't the majority. This doesn't mean that consecutive events should be across the country, just not within a range that has many of the same drawing areas (~300-400 miles or so).

I can't usually pull two 2-day events back to back, even if they are in town, let alone (probably out of town) A-tiers. Maybe the PDGA needs to set a "best-case" schedule of where they want events to be for each weekend, and tweak it just a little over the next 2-5 years to get there.

I agree with Steve. We had WAAAAAY too much on our plates out here in the Mid Atlantic in the last month. As a result, none of the events had optimal turnout. Who can afford (financially, mentally, physically) to play back-to-back-to-back? The majority of golfers have to work 9-5 Monday through Friday, traveling for golf every weekend gets exhausting. That is, if you even have the opportunity- those of us who are married, have babies, have homes to take care of... we just don't have the opportunity to play every event. I feel very fortunate every time somebody volunteers to babysit so that I can play- and believe you me, it's not every weekend. So... should the majority be punished because the minority might be inclined to come? (For the record, I don't think any of the touring guys/gals stuck around after World's to attend all these A-Tiers/SuperTours, with the exception of the Readings, who stuck around for a couple of events. Everybody else split, leaving us over-scheduled and under-attended.) Geez, that's already $.04 I've invested today! :eek: ;)

How many pros are TRUELY on the road full time anymore???

Most of the guys hitting all the events now are flying into the area and play 4 tournamenst then flying home untill another leg of the NT starts up again. Say they fly into Kansas City they play KC Wide Open the Des Moines Challenge the DGLO and either Michiana or Toronto Island Open and they they go back home untill the next leg starts. Then they fly into Warwick for the NT then go to Paw Paw then to MSDGC then back home again. Then they fly into NC and play Fall Finale and Sneaky Pete then USDGC then fly home.

I think if we concentrated on having more EVENTS like USDGC and Players Cup and Worlds the tour would be alot stonger.

Have 5 or 6 Majors a year where the first place prize is 10 grand or more and they pay out great and then have the NTs and A Tiers spread across the country as qualifyers for the Majors. That way the touring guys can hit whatever they want and stay local and play a few qualifyers and then hit EVERY major to make their real money. This way they could still have real jobs and not be stressed by TOURING. The more MAJOR events we get the more outside attention we will recieve from sponsors and media. No sponsor or media truely wants to go to a C Tier or B Tier to write a story or spend money because they arent makin that much off of them. They want to sponsor majors and write stories about majors and sell their products at majors where all the best players are and they are filled to capacity every time.

Sure 2 grand for 1st sounds great to a disc golfer or someone who knows about the sport but its really not a big deal to anyone but us. Now when I talk to people and say the USDGC pays out 10 Grand for first place even people that dont play or know anything say "****!!! That alot of money" Thats what people want to hear about and want to see so why dont we give it to them???

I think a region's big events should be spread out across the season. I also believe that all non-NT and non-PDGA-Major events should focus on the local player first, followed closely by regional, and then finally, if possible, the touring player. The touring players have the NT.

I agree with you on that.

I think that if we are going to have a tour we should have 5 or 6 Major stops across the country that payout like USDGC Worlds and Players Cup. They should all be 4 day events and you should have to qualify to play in them.

Thats where the SuperTours come in. You spread the SuperTours our across the country in no certain order and if you place well in the SuperTours you qualify to play in the Majors. You might have 28 SuperTours a year or something of the sort but they are all spread across the country. So no one has to travel a rediculous distane to enjoy a great tournament with a great payout.

Then you go down to the B and C Tiers and tell the TDs who want to run those that they cant run them within 300-400 miles of eachother no matter what tier they are. There should NEVER be 4 C Tiers withing 400 miles of eachother on the same day. Thats just insane and its waters down the events and the payouts. Multiple times this year I had to choose between 2 or 3 events in MI on the same day. All within 4 hours or driving. And so did however many other players we have in MI. If there were 2 B Tiers instead of 4 C Tiers that weekend in MI then the fields and payouts would have been stonger. Its just my opinion that there are too many TDs running to many events and it would be alot easier and more productive if they pooled there efforts to run fewer but better events.

How would you feel about biennial (once every two years) events sharing the same weekend to thin out the schedule ?

It sounds like people are voting with their wallets and prefer 4 smaller C-tiers instead of one giant A-tier.

It's hard to argue with the target audience when they are telling you exactly what they want via attendance numbers. Trying to manipulate the market through sanctioning constraints probably wouldn't work.

I would always prefer to play two B-tiers in one weekend over one A-tier.

I prefer Delaware's Breeze and Treeze over the Windjammer. They now have the Hound Dog Howler (B tier) and Holly Hack (C tier) on the same weekend. If you play poorly sat. you get to come back sun. with a clean slate on a new course.

I always hate when I plunk down $100 for an A tier, have a bad day sat. and spend the $ on a hotel and come back sun knowing it'll take a miracle performance to finish in the cash.

Why the low turnout? 34 player supertour. :confused: Was the weather bad?





I suspect one reason (which is true for me and a few other locals) is the practice of putting on back to back to back to back supertours in our area.

Two day supertours are time consuming. For the majority of the field they are also bank account consuming. If you attend the WVO, Yetter,B-wine and Patapsco you've invested $400 in entry fees alone. Throw in a few hotel stays, meals out and gas at $3 a gallon and you could be out around $1000 in four weeks if you're not cashing at these events.






My guess is over-scheduling. Going back to August there are ten big tournaments in a row on the east coast: Warwick, MSDGC, WVO, Yetter, Brandywine, Patapsco, Sneeky Pete, Charlotte Open, USDGC. This was supposed to cater to the "touring pro" like Ron Russell and Cam Todd...whoops. In fact, the schedule is making regional pros choose between the biggest tournaments in their region because it's hard to go to two tournaments in a row, much less TEN!







I think it was a good idea to put all the big events on consecutive weekends. It encourages more people to go on tour, as well as it makes it easier for those that already do. But it seems like it was not as successfull as they thought it would be. Maybe we should wait to see how they schedule next year's events before we start accusing them of foul play.








I think most of your local and regional players would have attended ALL to MOST of those events if there was 2-4 weeks time in between each event.

I just hate to see the hard work of many go to waste. Here's an example:

Patapsco Picnic:
2001 = 79 players
2002 = 64
2003 = 46
2004 = 56
2005 = 34


Hello.................. IT's NOT WORKING!!!!!!!! We are seeing this in TX too.


I'm sure the TD and sponsors did a great job, it's the schedule that is the downfall.

steve, absolutely spread them out!

in texas we have an incredibly strong fall schedule. part of the reason is that the 105-110 degree temps in july and august keep a fair number of cissies, whoops scratch that i mean players, away. so our fall season is bookmarked by the hot long summer and the holidays. we get only part of september and all of october to do all the big ones. thats why i have 8 events in 9 weekends. (fortunately my wife focuses on my 14th at world and hasnt figured out that 14th in adv masters is actually the 2739th rated player in the world :) but i digress...)

most players will play the events close to them and forgo travelling, especially in this era of increased fuel costs.

i also believe playing back-to-back-to-back-to-back two day events takes toll, both physically and mentally. its a tough thing to do. most players do not seem to enjoy that experience, or prosper in it, and burn out.

i would challenge the principle that holding the region's big events on consecutive weekends keeps the travelling players in one place for a month or more and benefits the region. first, these mythical creatures are rather rare so their economic upside is actually quite modest. second, except for a VERY few, even the "touring" players tend to do things like go home, visit relatives, etc. next, these touring players like to sow their seed in different regions. back-to-back might work for a couple of them, but then they are off to the next region over, or south, or wherever, to hit a major there. finally, and perhaps most importantly, due to the factors discussed above, their economic effect is actually a loss because the revenue lost from burning out local players is likely to exceed that which you gain from the touring players.

Then you go down to the B and C Tiers and tell the TDs who want to run those that they cant run them within 300-400 miles of eachother no matter what tier they are. There should NEVER be 4 C Tiers withing 400 miles of eachother on the same day. Thats just insane and its waters down the events and the payouts.



Pimp, I really couldn't disagree more with this mindset. My experience in Texas is that people don't travel that much for B and C tiers, but they will play them if the tourney is in their backyard. Therefore, a minor tournament in Dallas or Houston is not really affected by the presence of a tourney in Austin, or vice versa.

In Texas, organized disc golf has become predominantly a local affair. We all can conjure up reasons why this is happening, but the fact is that it is occuring and the PDGA would be better off assisting it rather than hindering it. Restrictions that prevent local tournies are not good for the local players, and therefore are not good for the sport itself, IMO.

If we had some thriving touring class that was picking the sport up by its bootstraps, or even a thriving regional touring class, I might feel differently. However, we don't, so stop scheduling like we do.

I just think its insane that there are 4 tournaments on the same weekend in the same state within 2 hours of eachother. Maybe its because I dont have a problem driving 4-5 maybe even 10 hours to an event if its a good one with good competition.

Your right though. I guess not enough people travel like that or are willing to travel like that so if there were more tournaments in thier backyard they may be more inclinded to play more tournaments. Then that may intrest them in traveling to the bigger more major tournaments.

Im just throwing out ideas.

Well to dispell that idea, when there are 4 sanctioned events on the same weekend in Texas, they are at generally least 200 miles apart. That's a little more than 2 hours for me.

It's more a question of do we have any grounds to deny sanctioning. The PDGA guidelines allow tournaments more than 200 miles apart to be held. If a TD requests sanctioning for his event and is greater than 200 miles from the nearest sanctioned event, there is currently no reason to deny his request. There are also unsanctioned events mixed into the schedule, but they generally follow the same restrictions without too much argument.

It really is coming to the point that each geographic region needs to develop a local PDGA tournament player base if they want to hold successful tournaments. Local clubs need to get organized and work together to promote their local events.

It is actually possible to have as many as 6 concurrent events in Texas more than 200 miles apart, though it has not happened yet.

It really is coming to the point that each geographic region needs to develop a local PDGA tournament player base if they want to hold successful tournaments.



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It really is coming to the point that each geographic region needs to develop a local PDGA tournament player base if they want to hold successful tournaments.



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And Bingo was his name-OH!

It really is coming to the point that each geographic region needs to develop a local PDGA tournament player base if they want to hold successful tournaments.



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And Bingo was his name-OH!



Yeah!!! What they said!!!

Well to dispell that idea, when there are 4 sanctioned events on the same weekend in Texas, they are at generally least 200 miles apart. That's a little more than 2 hours for me.



:eek: :) LOL! You mean you don't drive an average of 100 miles per hour Gary!?!

Folks really are slower in Texas... :D

Very seldom, and never for 2 hours straight.

It really is coming to the point that each geographic region needs to develop a local PDGA tournament player base if they want to hold successful tournaments. Local clubs need to get organized and work together to promote their local events.



That may be a solution if you live in a State the size of TX or MI, but for some of us... I live in MD. The last month consisted of four A-Tier events, all within 100 miles of my home. We are the local players, we do promote our events, but still we are overscheduled. It's not a question of having too many events to choose from on any given weekend, though that is the case sometimes too. The problem lies in the fact that we had too many majors lined up back to back in one month, leaving us with two options: Risk physical, financial and mental burnout, or be forced to skip some of the events. Luckily, having a baby made up my mind for me- otherwise, I would probably be wrecked right now. Unfortunately, I had to miss events that I love, and wouldn't have needed to miss had they been spread out a little.

The last month consisted of four A-Tier events, all within 100 miles of my home. We are the local players, we do promote our events, but still we are overscheduled.........

Unfortunately, I had to miss events that I love, and wouldn't have needed to miss had they been spread out a little.





My point exactly! Thanks for helping prove it.

I see your point, what's your solution ?

Every other year for some events ?
Some events just stop happening ?
Add more weekends to the calendar ?

I see your point, what's your solution ?

Every other year for some events ?
Some events just stop happening ?
Add more weekends to the calendar ?





None of the above


I believe the answer to be obvious. Simply schedule the A-tiers and NTs more evenly throughout the year.

In the MADC region there were no majors in Feb, March, April, May, or June. We had the PFDO (barely in our region) and Worlds (first time in 20yrs here) in July. Then between late August and late September we had a NT(Skylands) and four consecutive A-tiers.

To summarize:
Weeks 1-21 we had 0 majors.
Weeks 22-25 we had 2 majors
Weeks 26-31 we had 5 majors

Want better participation and attendance ? Spread em out!

I see your point, what's your solution ?

Every other year for some events ?
Some events just stop happening ?
Add more weekends to the calendar ?




Seperate the BIG sanctioned events in our region. The BIG events: TX States, OO, VPO, Tx10 final. :D

This is a difficult issue with no easy solution. First off, someone needs to create a geographic region that makes sense and then this region must have the ability and authority to make sensible decisions for that region. For certain locales, the current PDGA geographic breakdowns may not make sense, nor might their mileage restrictions. However, I think the PDGA is in a tough spot and I have nothing better to propose, other than extreme flexibility.

Assuming that the PDGA could "accurately" create regions and enable them to control their schedule, problems will still persist. For example, I don't agree with John that those are the big events in our region. I don't think I'm necessarily right, just pointing out that a concensus or near consensus will be difficult to achieve in many regions.

Sorry, I see the problem on the east coast with 4 A-Tiers within 100 miles of each other on consecutive weekends. My post was more directed at John and Texas.

We have a very long DG season here. We can have comfortable tournaments from mid February through mid December. Comfortable here meaning that we're not playing in heavy coats and gloves. Arguably, the summer here is not comfortable, but it's not prohibitive.

That means that the majority of the large tournaments are gathered in the spring and fall.

Here's a look at that TX calendar. There were several events on the schedule that had to be canceled this year, but are planned to be back on the schedule for next year so they are still listed. The cancelations are the numbers after the slash. As in Jan-May 10 events were scheduled, but 2 were cancelled so 8 were played. The small Unsanctioned events are listed on the schedule, the large unsanctioned events are scheduled to avoid conflicts with the PDGA events.

Anybody have a shoehorn I can borrow ?

<table border="1"><tr><td>Season</td><td>C</td><td>B</td><td>A</td><td>NT</td><td>MJ</td><td>S. Uns</td><td>L. Uns</td><td>Weekends</td><td>PDGA (Uns)
</td></tr><tr><td>Jan-May</td><td>10/2</td><td>15/2</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>11/5</td><td>9</td><td>22</td><td>30(20)
</td></tr><tr><td>June-Aug</td><td>15/8</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>8/3</td><td>3</td><td>13</td><td>19(11)
</td></tr><tr><td>Sep-Dec</td><td>10/1</td><td>9/2</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>17</td><td>22(8)
</td></tr><tr><td>2005</td><td>35/11</td><td>28/4</td><td>5</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>24/8</td><td>15</td><td>52</td><td>71(39)</tr></td></table>

The problem with needing to spread those out is that only the DFW players are in a pinch. No other area is going to try to attend more than three of those events based on distance. Tulsa to Austin/Houston is a very long trip. I don't see the need to split them up, and if I did, who would have to give up their date and move to a hotter weekend ?

are you showing that of 35 scheduled C tiers, 11 (almost 33%) were ultimately cancelled???

if so, sounds more like TDs are locking up weekends just in case they decide to have an event.

how far ahead can a sanctioning agreement be submitted to the PDGA? i know certain obstables would have to be overcome, but perhaps we could begin work towards a "no agreement, no schedule" policy.

I don't agree with John that those are the big events in our region.




I'd like to see your list.

The 4 events i listed are all supertours, which should be considered BIG, and are on consecutive weekends. :p

The Big Events, to me in Houston:

Mace's A-tier
WACO - both weekends
LOSO
VPO
States
TX10 Final

All of those could be very successful A-tiers, if they chose to be in the case of LOSO. Of course, if the TX10 final finds a home in Live Oak, that might change LOSO's status. But that's for another thread.

Also factoring in are the World Doubles events (and I guess State Doubles too).

The OO is "close" for DFW, but I doubt anyone south of the Metroplex will be concerned with it. To us, it's an open weekend.

i can see why the OO isn't on y'alls list....heck it's 5 hours from DFW.

Mace's events, and Waco are fine. Plenty of seperation.

It's the Fall events that need a little help if you ask me.

what the heck is the "OO"?

i can see why the OO isn't on y'alls list....heck it's 5 hours from DFW.

Mace's events, and Waco are fine. Plenty of seperation.

It's the Fall events that need a little help if you ask me.




Fall is getting some help... ;)


OO = Oklahoma Open in Tulsa.

I still say involve another sanctioning body to remove the ams from the events and drop the number of PROfessional sanctioned tourneys by aleivitating the saturation of TD's and scheduling conflicts. PDGA>>"HEY wanna TD? Send us some money and we will send you a test."

Is there ever a cutoff point where they stop the saturation of TD's and start organizing the events themselves?

OH boy.........here comes the witchhunt. :oTake it easy on me now. :D

you will not join the one we have so why start another Grunion :D

Hum. another texas thread :D

From what I am hearing.

Texas states next year is moving to the spring and becoming a NT event.

What about Waco, is Joey going to run another event?? A or is he going B this year?

LOSO did a good job this last year, but needs more to become an A-tier, right now they are just a good B-tier.

Arlington has a reason to keep there weekend. I am sure they will keep there A-tier status for next year.

Maceman Winter events have already been scaled back again. I think ZBoaz is going to be one weekend pro/am A/B tier this year if I heard correctly.

The Texas 10 finals were not originaly going to even be an A-tier till this summer. You could argue if a one day even can even be an A-tier event, or that someone who didn't qualify playing 3 or more of the events does not even get a chance at the bonus payout which is what actually will put the tournament close to what an A-tier tournament payout should be.

So you now have an A-tier in Ft worth in the winter
A NT event in Houston in the Spring
An A-tier in Arlington the Fall

Then maybe an A-tier event in Waco in the summer.

That is split up pretty good.

If you add the OO tournament at the end of Octoberer then we do have 2 A-tiers in a row, but that depends on what the Texas 7 is going to do next year.

IMO, useful scheduling is much more than stringing out events. It also includes rational scheduling for all those other weeks that don't have big events. One problem I see is that everyone thinks their event is big and therefore deserves protection. However, in most cases, 80% of the field will be locals. All the protection for the tournament did was prevent a nearby city and players from having a sanctioned event.

Man, I hope that Texas will implement many of the ideas discussed in the Texas thread.

John, big events in my mind are events with big fields. With the exception of a few events, there really are not many big events within the state, or even within neighboring states for that matter.

One point about local suport. I remember when I started playing, all of the minis in town would shut down whenever there was a sanctioned event nearby. Now that only happens when the sanctioned event is on the same course as the mini.

If a TD wants to have a good turnout for their event, they need to get to work with the local club or players throughout the year and develop a strong local player base.

Hmmm, LOSO just a good B-Tier. Lets run the numbers. 162 players, 13th highest turnout of all PDGA tourneys in the country in the past year. #1 in Texas. Total payout $5,362 with $1,000 added cash. With A-Tier entry fees, we would be over $7,000 in payout. I think I prefer to call it a great B-Tier. And I think it could rival most A-tiers in attendance, city support, local player base, and sponsorship $$. Not to mention one heck of a TD and staff :D

That said, we believe (and that includes the city manager) that Live Oak could host and support any NT or A-Tier event you throw at us.

Oh, and did I mention we did this while going up against Pro Worlds?

2008 worlds in LIVE OAK?? sounds good

A-tier would have hurt your tournout, specially if you raized your entry fees.

The Little Mr. Jim's Carrollton Open 2005

Ok, just 127 players, you got me there

Pro payout, I kinda got you there LOSO $3159 - Carrollton Open $3634 By almost $500

If you include Am payouts like you did, LOSO $5362 - Carrollton Open $6758, that is almost $1400 more in payout.

(BTW, the Carrollton Open payout only includes the payouts, it does not include the glass Trophies ($200), the CTP's worth almost $2000, and all the players packages worth about $1500. Actually I have not finished with the excact numbers yet)

All this and I consider this small for a Carrollton Open. (well it was better than last year)

good job Bryan!

2008 worlds in LIVE OAK?? sounds good


Sure, if you'll help! :D

A-tier would have hurt your tournout, specially if you raized your entry fees.



Doubtful. City Park is home to a bunch of great DG holes. LODGA is a great club (even with McKibbin). Live Oak is a great, pro-DG city. The young event quickly established itself as a can't miss event, at least for all south of Waco. The players know this and would still show up.

And Pro payout was affected by Pro Worlds.

Not Brian, not a member of LODGA, not even a paid endorsement. :)

I would point out that Waco (one of the most popular venues in the state) had attendance problems when the AM side raised it's entry fees to A-Tier levels. It may force a few to pass on the event, but could attract others that would not have travelled to the event. It might be a wash.

Yes, LOSO did come a long way in a short time and has some GREAT disc golf holes, I can't wait to play there for the Texas 10 and I will have LOSO on my list of must plays next year.

I will also admit that I was trying to outdo them in the Carrollton Open. I wanted to regain my top spot on the B-tier list after a few years of laps. I can only wish the city of Carrollton would stand behind the Carrollton Open like they use too.

BTW, as far as Pro payouts

#1 Carrollton
#2 Texas State Doubles
#3 LOSO
#4 Outlaws
#5 COTO
#6 Big Show Cedar Hill
#7 Costal Clash
#8 Red Rock Show
#9 Paul Giles
#10 Pecan Park Open

As far as # of players
#1 combined Texas State Doubles (AM and Pro)
#2 LOSO
#3 COTO
#4 Carrollton Open
#5 Pecan Park Open
These were the only ones to break 100 players
#6t Costal Clash
#6t Red Rock Show
#8 Victoria Park Open
#9 Big Show Cedar Hill
#10 Outlaws

We still have a few B-tier tournaments comming up

Isn't there already a "Texas Tourney Scheduling" thread somewhere? :)

I thought this one was about ganging up all the events in a region, any region, for the touring player versus spreading them out for the local/regional player.

Rhett, you should know by now, every thread is about Texas. OK :D

Isn't there already a "Texas Tourney Scheduling" thread somewhere? :)

I thought this one was about ganging up all the events in a region, any region, for the touring player versus spreading them out for the local/regional player.



We were using "real world" examples. :)

Back to the topic, the strategy part lies with the PDGA's desire to string these events together. They need to either commit to the NT or the SuperTour "series," not both.

Committing to the NT means they allow SCs to shift A-tiers to benefit regions.
Committing to the SuperTours means they scrap the NT.

Personally, I'd rather see the committment to the NT.

Back to the topic, the strategy part lies with the PDGA's desire to string these events together. They need to either commit to the NT or the SuperTour "series," not both.



What about the "neither" option?

Back to the topic, the strategy part lies with the PDGA's desire to string these events together. They need to either commit to the NT or the SuperTour "series," not both.



What about the "neither" option?



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Explain further why neither is an option. Are you saying the NTs should also be scheduled by the states?

I'm just throwing out a thought. Why schedule any national tour, or any "tour" for that matter, when virtually noone tours?

If this "tour" scheduling had no effect on local players, I would consider this scheduling unnecessary, but harmless. However, if this tour scheduling does negatively effect locals, it is a legitimate question.

Though a strong advocate for the National Tour, I am very much wondering whether or not its time has come yet or not. That is, it is fairly clear to me that we have jumped the gun on this one.

National Tours need National Sponsors to draw enought top players away from their lives and jobs. YMWTMTOTH thought mildly interesting does not a NT make.


I'm just throwing out a thought. Why schedule any national tour, or any "tour" for that matter, when virtually noone tours?

If this "tour" scheduling had no effect on local players, I would consider this scheduling unnecessary, but harmless. However, if this tour scheduling does negatively effect locals, it is a legitimate question.

Committing to the NT means they allow SCs to shift A-tiers to benefit regions.
Committing to the SuperTours means they scrap the NT.

Personally, I'd rather see the committment to the NT.



This makes the most sense to me. Give the SC the ability to spread out all non-NT tourneys over the year to benefit the local players.

I wouldn't scrap the NT but the PDGA could go back to letting the true touring pros return to choosing which tournaments to play between majors rather than dictate which tournaments to play via the supertour.