I've developed a problem over the last few weeks.

I'm shooting some of my best rounds ever. Personal bests on several courses. I drive with a three step approach right, then left in a cross-behind or X step, then plant. Sidewinder, Valk, Eagle...pretty much all going where I want. (I'm not perfect, but you get the picture.) Problem is when I try to step into my mids. Cobra, Cobra Classic, Coyote, Roc, Leopard. New and beat in. They either start flat and go anny or flip over, but they are going right more often than not. Trying to release hyzer, but it doesn't seem to help. I stand there and throw just fine. My releases vary between flat to slight hyzer. Most of the hyzers flip up to flat and continue on just fine.

This is something I have developed within the last month. Any ideas, or just forget it.

With mids(I only throw rocs) you have to slow everything down, and focus more on snap then arm....at least that's what works for me.

Dude,

I had this problem briefly, while I was working on increasing the speed/power/snap/spin of my drives, right between when I got my arm speed up and when I got my release right. Once in a while I still slip and do it accidentally.

What was causing it was me not following through properly. I was pulling my shoulder down and my hand around and down right after (or right as) I released. In addition, I was turning my wrist inwards a bit, so instead of a handshake position at shoulder level (or higher), I was in a "low five" position closer to my waist. I think my thumb was pushing down on the back of the flight plate as my hand turned, pusing the nose up. It's different than throwing with the nose up, because you were holding the disc right and releasing properly to begin with, so you have that speed (and probably spin) - BUT you just slightly changed the orientation of the disc. Mine were curving off to the right and never coming back.

Once I figured out what I was doing, I had to focus on my follow-through for a day or 2. I just had to condition my brain/body that my follow-through was WRONG and that fixed it right up. Now I can reproduce it on command (maybe that will come in handy sometime)...

So, check your hand and arm position on release and follow- through. There should be no twisting or pulling in ANY direction other than where your arm momentum was headed in the middle of the drive. Keep the position of your hand neutral (meaning just like you were holding the disc, but open instead of closed) until WELL after your release. It's hard on your shoulder anyway tu pull it down early. Some of the best players I have seen end up with their arm almost folded straight across their back before they bring it down.

Beren
Still an Am, but driving further and straighter every time. I must be on the right track... Learning from other peoples' mistakes AND my own...

Two suggestions:

1. Get rid of those steps you take before you throw. It's possible to throw a midrange quite far with only a subtle weight shift. You really don't need to build up a lot of momentum with mids. Some big arms drive mids and take a run up, but if you're the kind who can throw a Roc 400', I doubt you'd be asking this question.

2. Stop using your drivers until you solve the problem. I'm sure you've read it here many times, but you really will benefit from playing only with mids and putters for a while. Playing with only putters is even better, as long as you can handle completely sucking for a while. The hit you take by switching only to mids is a little easier to swallow ... it may even improve your score instantly.

Guess I should add why this would help: Putters and mids require more snap to fly far than most drivers do. They're also less forgiving of certain kinds of technique errors (mostly ones having to do with throwing too hard/not enough snap). So once you can throw your putters and mids 300' with accuracy, you should notice a big improvement when you go back to drivers.

Second, since you'll get less distance, you'll need to play a more accurate, focused game. In my experience, most DG holes can be parred with a putter. You just have a lot less margin for error.

Also notice all his mids are FLIPPY.

Also notice all his mids are FLIPPY.



The Roc is kinda stable

I've developed a problem over the last few weeks.

I'm shooting some of my best rounds ever. Personal bests on several courses. I drive with a three step approach right, then left in a cross-behind or X step, then plant. Sidewinder, Valk, Eagle...pretty much all going where I want. (I'm not perfect, but you get the picture.) Problem is when I try to step into my mids. Cobra, Cobra Classic, Coyote, Roc, Leopard. New and beat in. They either start flat and go anny or flip over, but they are going right more often than not. Trying to release hyzer, but it doesn't seem to help. I stand there and throw just fine. My releases vary between flat to slight hyzer. Most of the hyzers flip up to flat and continue on just fine.

This is something I have developed within the last month. Any ideas, or just forget it.



ok do you use a power grip? If so I had the same problem but I switched to a accuracy grip and now I throw mids and putters very well and consistantly.

boru - I throw my mids now with out the steps. That clears up some or most of the problem. Kinda leaves a gap (for me) at about 240' to 270'. Can throw my Eagle right by, but can't stand there and get my Leopard there. Trying to slow my Eagle or my TL to fit.

Scoot - Yeah. I know they are all kinda flippy. As are my beat in Eagle, my Sidewinder and my light Valk. My guess is that, as I improve (technique, snap, power), I am going to create another problem with my drivers. (I have a Champion Beast and Champion Orc waiting for that one.)

THEN on to your comment about accuracy grip. Help me out with that one. (Go back to Blake T's pictures on Grip) I usually throw my mides with a Power Grip (Version 1). I have been experimenting with the Control Grip (trying to contol the hyzer shots). I sometimes throw my putter with the Fan Grip (no run up with putter - ever). I think I might try that Fan Grip with the mids to see what happens.

I was having the same exact problem and it turned out that I was torquing my discs (i.e. my pull through wasn't perfectly straight). Mid ranges and putters are particularly susceptible to flipping with a poor pull-through. Work with putters and mid-ranges out in the field... this really highlights problems with your driving form. It has really helped me add distance and accuracy to my drives. Good luck!