information, please!

The NEW Hybrid from Gateway is the perfect fairway driver. Its TeeBird'ish but a little more forgiving (slower, but not by much) and with more glide. I think Roc lovers would LOVE this as a betweener disc. I liked them throwing in a field, but love them now that I've found shots for them on the course.

You can really throw them hard and have a "peaked" distance....really lets you be in control. If you throw Rocs, try one of these for a shot where your Roc pulls up short but drivers cruise too far. You won't be dissappointed!!

So it will be something like a Discraft Storm?

So it will be something like a Discraft Storm?



There is no "will"...its out now! And I would say its more of a slightly higher profile TeeBird.

Sounds like the Cyclone. (slower than teebird, and a litle more forgiving, and I also kinda think of the cyclone as longer roc) Hybrid sounds like it has more float though?

Sounds similar to the Tracker...if it is, people will love this disc.

Sounds like the Cyclone. (slower than teebird, and a litle more forgiving, and I also kinda think of the cyclone as longer roc) Hybrid sounds like it has more float though?



That and it holds up to wind/power better. I love its combo of glide and stability...I've been using it where I used to throw a Spirit for strong hyzers, but the Hybrid glides left instead of killing left...its a great shot to have.

Sounds similar to the Tracker...if it is, people will love this disc.



I've never thrown one, so I don't know.

I just hope mine are waiting at my doorstep upon my arrival home.

What's the high speed turn like on them? I find that a new Sabre FX is easy to flip from a bit of a hyzer, but it has enough resistance to turn to keep from flipping. I find the milky E Sabres are difficult to get to flip up to flat. It is similar to one of these discs or somewhere inbetween?

Thanks.

What's the high speed turn like on them? I find that a new Sabre FX is easy to flip from a bit of a hyzer, but it has enough resistance to turn to keep from flipping. I find the milky E Sabres are difficult to get to flip up to flat. It is similar to one of these discs or somewhere inbetween?

Thanks.



In "E", they resist turn just as well if not better than the milky whites...in "S" they can be flipped up a little if you REALLY throw it hard.

I'm loving it for shots where my Blaze took too much energy, but the Sabre wasn't stable enough...its a MONEY fairway driver for sure!!

If it's out now, why isn't it on the Gateway website?
Also, just a comment about gateways website ... Disc profiles, disc stats, and better pictures would make it a LOT easier to make decisions about buying from Gateways site. The biggest problem I have with Gateway discs, are the limited availability in most areas. I can't get them here in western CO, and there isn't anywhere close to me to check them out, or try them. So, if the website could do more, and give more options on purchase, I might be willing to try more Gateway plastic. As it is now, I have no idea what I'm ordering until it gets here. And sure, I could call, and I have, but what's the point in having an online shop/cart, if you can't select what you want [exactly], and if you select things that have a flat, 2d image of art that doesn't really represent the product very well. I kind if feel like ordering from the Gateway website is a crap shot.
Upgrade the website, improve the images, give us some stats that compare to the other disc manufacturers, and some of us might try out more Gateway products.
I would love to try out a Hybrid, but that isn't going to happen because A. It's not even available on the site to order, and B. There are other discs that fly as you describe the Hybrid ... Why would we want to spend money on this disc? What really makes it special? That's what I want to hear about.

I already said...its a little taller profile than a TeeBird making it more forgiving on nose angles, and it has killer glide. Not to mention that its stability is just enough where any arm can get use out of it. I have fealt I have decent bag, and questioned the Hybrid after initial field tests, but after further testing on the course, this thing is bad arse! Its a great fit where your midrange comes up short, but its too touchy for drivers. Its the whole "clubbing up/down" concept. Yeah, you could take something off a driver, but its more consistant to throw the same power and adjust disc.

And as far as the website goes, its a little out of date, but I'm sure there are plans to fix all that sometime soon.

When is this bad boy going to be available to buy from online retailers?

I dont think Gateway packages gimicks per say. so there won't be any made up hype to lure you in to buy. just my opinion, and is why I like them.

I didn't even know Gateway existed until the owner contacted me as a result of one of my posts. The biggest problem for me was my loyalty to certain retailers; gateway products were not available from there.

I have to find companies that sell Gateway, like Sun King. I like ordering from them much better than the service from Gateway directly. I now have a wizard and demon in the bag.

I am looking forward to trying more of their discs; I've been told the blaze is a very good wind disc. I am waiting to see how the hybrid compares to the blaze.

When is it going to get a real name. The "Hybrid" sounds like an underpowered car, or something so wishy-washy it doesn't have it's own character. Do some marketing and give it a cool name!

I think you should open a new thread, and everyone gets to come up with a name. The one who comes up with the best name, gets a box of gateway discs.

IMO, the Gateway website is on par Discraft's website as far as the descriptions go. Innova has better disc discriptions and more information but Gateway has its own forum where you can ask about the discs. That's the easiest way to get comparisons to other discs. Neither Innova nor Discraft have that. They're also the only ones that sell their discs on their site. I agree that there is a lot of room for improvement, but that isn't unique to Gatway's site.

I also agree about the availability of the discs, but that's up to the players to improve that. If the demand for Gateway discs is great enough then the local shops will carry them. Ordering anything online that you haven't seen in person is a crap shot and I don't see why it's only a problem with Gateway. You won't really know how any disc will fly for you until you try it so buying them locally isn't really all that much better. They have even tried to minimize that with the misprint specials they have.

misprint specials they have.

It is hard to buy anything but these for me. $$$ talks

I am curious how the name Hybrid came about....
Dave?

Speed of a driver control of a midrange= HYBRID

When is it going to get a real name. The "Hybrid" sounds like an underpowered car, or something so wishy-washy it doesn't have it's own character. Do some marketing and give it a cool name!

I think you should open a new thread, and everyone gets to come up with a name. The one who comes up with the best name, gets a box of gateway discs.



I think the name is perfect. If it has the control of a midrange and the distance of a driver, the Hybrid is a great name.

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Actually Dave did ask what he should name the disc on the gateway thread awhile ago. And he also said it was a hybrid of about four discs, which is why its called the hybrid, I think. Funny thing is back when we were suggesting the names for the new gateway discs, someone said "Wraith" and that was before the Innova Wraith was out.

[quoteI think you should open a new thread, and everyone gets to come up with a name. The one who comes up with the best name, gets a box of gateway discs.



Actually Dave did ask what he should name the disc on the gateway thread awhile ago. And he also said it was a hybrid of about four discs, which is why its called the hybrid, I think. Funny thing is back when we were suggesting the names for the new gateway discs, someone said "Wraith" and that was before the Innova Wraith was out.

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Yeah, I remember that...small world.

I am curious how the name Hybrid came about....
Dave?


The name Hybrid is meant to be a cross between a driver and a mid-range ( speed of a driver and control of a midrange)Which is exactly what is flies like!
I feel it is a great marketable name with direct meaning.

We have plans for 6-10 new discs and felt this name best represented what the discs was all about.

In terms of Stability in comparison to the blaze.
Its reseistance to turn is close but the fade is less with the ability to penetrate a little further befor fading left and not as sharp as an S blaze would ( at least when new) and surely not as much as an E Blaze.
I have had several long drives as has Justin ( over 480) throwing them 360 high nose down and also found it to go quite far when thrown medium height and right down the middle ( up to 380).

Matt you out there?
I know youve given one a good workout, any comments?

Oh, on web development; SHAYNE it's time to take the bull by the horns and take over maintanence of our site.
We are much too busy, underqualified ( since Shawn is teaching and going to school) and way understaffed for any new webdev. HELP :confused:


I think Mike at Sunking should be getting them tomorrow and feel free to ask your favorite on line vendor to call and order some from us anytime.
We dont want too many out before we get them approved by the pdga ( which wont be a problem as they will surely pass)

I've given them a thurough run through, and I am absolutly diggin' it! They fly so smooth with a gentle drift left versus a killer hyzer. They are a GREAT "tweener" disc. True, you can get on them huge, but for me they work best as a controlled fairway driver.

I have been throwing mostly my "E" Hybrid, although the little course work I have with the "S" has been nice too...same flight with a little later fade...with such great glide, this should break in nicely to a great turnover driver.

Is this a fairway driver like a Leopard?

I haven't thrown it much but I have 1 "E" and 1 "s" that i got at a tournament last weekend and they fly pretty sweet I can see using thm on holes that i cannot reach with my blaze and where my sabre wont fade enough. I went out to the field yesterday and on high S curves it was going about as far as me Spirits and was getting a lot of glide towards the end of its flight when it was flexing out. I am going to work with them a little more but I like what I see so far.

I am going to give a workout to them today. Will post the results later! ;) :cool:

Todd,
You back from the field yet?

Heres my latest report;
I have 2 Hybrids pretty well tuned in to my game.
1 is a Green E 172 that is just overstable enough, nothing like the E blaze but perfect for reversing right out of the hand down the middle, low and hard. By low I mean 8-15' and by hard I mean as hard as I can throw. They never roll over ( or turnover all the way) and stay left to right mostly tracking left and always come back out of it a little as it loses speed. They will fade more if they are thrown higher.

The other is a Special Run of white "S" that has a little H concentrate in it ( a shiney flexible S that is pretty flat) which feels awesome in the hand. This disc was also a little overstable at first but has turned into a dead straight flyer after a few rounds. Well it's straight as long as it is thrown hard.
This one works quite well for long subtle hyzers somewhat similiar to the flat soft miilky E sabres.

We should here back from the PDGA soon and will have them on our sight. We have been shipping them to some vendors and I'm sure more will order once they are pdga approved.

The new Hybrids arrived yesterday. The white "S" Hybrids are mixed with a bit of "H" and feel sweet. I'm hoping to get a few test flights in this weekend.

Check them out:

"S" Hybrid (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3131-SHYBD)

"E" Hybrid (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3133-EHYBD)

Thanks!
Mike Barnett

Ok, so from what I have gathered the Gateway control drives work from the Blaze, to the Hybrid, to the Sabre from overstable to understable. Am I correct in that observation?

Ok, so from what I have gathered the Gateway control drives work from the Blaze, to the Hybrid, to the Sabre from overstable to understable. Am I correct in that observation?



Yes, the Blaze is the most overstable of the three, then the Hybrid, then the Sabre, but there is probaly not as much difference between the latter two as there is between the first two.

Dude the hybrid is more overstable than the sabre. :D:D

Dude the hybrid is more overstable than the sabre. :D:D



Yes of course -- I re-did my post just before flipping back to see your correction. I meant one thing and typed another -- happens when you get old, which you do not need to worry about for quite a while... My main point was that the Sabre is fairly overstable, the other two not so much, and are closer to each other. BTW, thanks for laughing at me instead of blasting me!

Dude the hybrid is more overstable than the sabre. :D:D



My main point was that the Sabre is fairly overstable, the other two not so much, and are closer to each other. BTW, !



What do you mean?

Matt -- I had the H version of the Sabre (can't remember the old name off the top of my head) that was a nice straight driver for me -- I am an old, overweight weenie arm. That disc got lost and I have been thinking of picking up a new Sabre -- do you have a suggestion of which plastic blend would probably work best for me? Thanks.

Well they still have the H ones. By the way they are apachies

So a Blaze, Hybrid, and a beat in Sabre would cover a controlled hyzer, straight shot, and turnover. Sounds like Gateway's got it covered.

Actually i would use the Hybrid as a controlled hyzer and a sabre for the straight to turnover shots. I do love the blaze I throw it for everything. I can throw it hard and not worry about flipping it. It is a great disc for players with high arm speeds and who throw more accurately when they throw hard.

I agree with Boneman.
A bit of a thread drift but I think the Gateway site is in need of updating.
I'd like to see rim profiles (ex: discraft). Rim profiles are a big factor in my choosing a disc. (I hate wide rimmed discs)
I guess the flight rating system is ok but they need to describe what the ratings are. The Speed Demon has a fade of 10. To me that rating means when you throw it will have a boomerang effect & end up back at your feet :D
I also see no negative turn numbers. Does that mean they make nothing that will turn right on a RHBH?
I see they have pictures of the disc with a description of & think those are fine.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Gateway. I got rid of all my other putters & am now a "Wizard guy".
I'd love to try some of their other products as I truly support an underdog company. But I need to know what I'm buying.
Thanks.

Depending on ones technique and power a Hybrid could be closer to a Blaze OR a Sabre in stability.

The flight plate of the Hybrid is quite thinner at .076 compared to .090 of the sabre which gives it more gyroscopic rotation as opossed to cetrifugal.
We may still decrease this thickness to .070 or even .065 wich will also take.006-.010 off the nose as well, which will make it a little faster and even more gyroscopic!
The difference in the flight plate thickenss is noticed in 2 main areas of the flight.
1 is of course the fade and the other is the turn.
The more rotation you can create the easier to turn, less spin though = more fade and usually earlier in flight.
Either can be preferred depending on the shot.
While we are still trying to finalize the test results, we welcome the opinions of difference from the end users, as results will vary depending on technique and power like stated earlier.


Speed is a big factor when throwing the Hybrid as is the amount of rotation.
Nose angle upon release also makes a big difference, but this is true with all discs.

Players with less power will most likely use the Hybrid as their overstable longer mid-range where those with more power may still use the Blaze.
Only those who have the Blaze fully incorporated into their game truly know how consistant this disc can be for your game. The Hybrid will most likely be the same for a wider range of players.

Combined, these 3 discs (Sabre, Hybrid and Blaze) cover all shots in the 200-350 range besides those that need to stay less than 10 feet high, unless you have way above average power.
One of the best features in our mid-range/control driver category is the fact that the rim depth and wing length of all 4 (including the demon) are exactly the same.
Switching from one to another is ideally like switching clubs in golf and keeping the same swing.

The same theory on switching bewteen discs goes for our high speed drivers Speed demon, Spirit and Illusion, with all 3 here being the same as each other in depth and length as well.
I believe a new top for these 3 discs( with a longer less abrupt transition over the top) making each less overstable may be next for us, before we start with the Scream and its own family of high speed/control drivers which will include the Blast and Odyssey.

For those who have taken the time to really get to know our discs, most would agree, the more Gateway you have in your lineup the less wind makes a difference! :cool:

Well said Mr.Mac. I couldnt have said it beter hahahah

Dr.Schmidt
TEAM GDS

The flight plate of the Hybrid is quite thinner at .076 compared to .090 of the sabre which gives it more gyroscopic rotation as opossed to cetrifugal.

The more rotation you can create the easier to turn, less spin though = more fade and usually earlier in flight.
Either can be preferred depending on the shot.

The same theory on switching bewteen discs goes for our high speed drivers Speed demon, Spirit and Illusion, with all 3 here being the same as each other in depth and length as well.
I believe a new top for these 3 discs( with a longer less abrupt transition over the top) making each less overstable may be next for us, before we start with the Scream and its own family of high speed/control drivers which will include the Blast and Odyssey.




Can you explain the difference between gyroscopic and centrifugal rotation in relationship to disc flight? Or point to site that does?

I thought more spin meant less turn and less fade?

For the new discs my one request is skinnier rims than the Speed Demon, Spirit, and Illusion.

An increased gyroscopic force increases a discs fight against turning over and also helps increase the fight a disc has with off axis torque. Centrefugal (or rather, rotational inertia, which are linearly comparable) increases the glide phase by making the discs spin longer.

One of the theories is comparing the spin of a disc to a figure skater.
They start with their arms out ( more Gyroscopic) to get them spinning at first and pull there arms in( Centrifugal) to keep them spinng longer.

With this comparison, gyrosopic discs are easier to make spin faster but wont stay spinning as long.
If you make comparison to the recent trend in a YO -YO's for competition in may be contradicting.
Lead is added to the outer most rim competion yo-yo's and they are now spinning up to 4 time longer than thos without the added weight.
There are of copurse several different factrs involved with the main differenve being a yo yo has a staionary axis of rotation without the angle of nose or effect of lift, drag etc,,,

Without regards to the shape of the discs wing and dome on the top od a disc,, more gyroscopic discs go more to the right and more to the left than centrifugal discs os relatively the same wing shape.
These theories are in need of more scientific testing in my opinion.
There has been so much research done on circular displacement by big earospace companies like Boeing and Nasa over the last 560 years, but information is hard to find as very little is ever published.


Discs that have more weight at the rim by % are more likely to canter and fall off against the spin as they loose velocity and rotation.
The resistance of air under the nose also effects how much a disc will fade. This is the combination of shape between the underside of the wing ( flat, concave, convex) as well as height (from leading edge to bootom of wing or bead and the rim depth. The more gyroscopic and resistance under the wing the more overstable a disc is and more resiatance to turn it will also have.
This can be offset with the dome on the top of the disc, but discs that are more gyroscopic than centrifugal always seem to fade more at the end even if the defelction angels over and under are equal.

If we made a flatter wing for the Sabre/ Hybrid / Blaze / Demon they would all become way less overstable as well as easier to turn and maybe even flip.
adding this extra plastic will also increase the gyrscopic spin but only the Hybrid with the thinner flight plate would it actually effect the ratio between rim and flight plate. The Sabre/ Blaze/ Demon all have .085 plus thick flight plates.
Typically a sabres ratio of weight from rim to flight plates is about 85 grams rim - 90g flight plate( closer to that of a mid-range disc) in a 175 gram disc while a Hybdrid is more like 95 rim-85 flight plate.

I'd like to see rim profiles (ex: discraft). Rim profiles are a big factor in my choosing a disc. (I hate wide rimmed discs)
I guess the flight rating system is ok but they need to describe what the ratings are. The Speed Demon has a fade of 10. To me that rating means when you throw it will have a boomerang effect & end up back at your feet :D
I also see no negative turn numbers. Does that mean they make nothing that will turn right on a RHBH?
I see they have pictures of the disc with a description of & think those are fine.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Gateway. I got rid of all my other putters & am now a "Wizard guy".
I'd love to try some of their other products as I truly support an underdog company. But I need to know what I'm buying.
Thanks.


The numbers we use for our flight chart are all based on 10.
with of course 1 being the least and 10 being the most.
While most of our discs are not that easy to turn and in the 0-2 range, we do have the element that we consider a 4 and I believe the Magic( beadless Wizard) will be something like a 3. HIgh speed drivers with turn #'s like a 3 or 4 will be in the plans for the future with fade #'s of 0-1
The numbers for the Hydrid are looking like 7 in speed, 8 in glide 1 in turn and 2 in fade.
I'm not sure I see the need for there to be negative numbers for turn 0 doesnt turn and 4 turns the most out of our discs so far. It seems simple to compare our discs to each other in our chart which is really our goal.


A disc like the spirit or Speed demon with fades of 9 and 10 fade are most likely the most overstable discs therefore rated at the highest possible number.

If there is a specifc questions on one of our discs ratings, feel free to ask here or one of our pros on our site. http://www.gdstour.com/forum/frame_index.html
I wish there were a universal guide for all to use, but would have a hard time wanting to use a chart ofr our dics that didnt all have the sane base of 10 for rating.
Having 4 different sets of rating #'s like one of our competitors seems way more complicated than our's.
The +1/ - 1 system of Discraft is most likely th easist but dont feel its as informative as our base of 10 in the 4 different categories.

BTW,
We will get profile's of our rims shapes up on the chart for the 2006 fligt chart.
If you remember we were the first to use the rims in advertisement about 4 years ago in an ad in the DGWN.
I too like the cross section of the profiles, but seeing as though we have made 5 new discs in the past year or so, We were waiting until we were closer to a complete set, which we feel we have now or are at least are a lot closer to.

AHH, very enlightening. I'm still a little confused with spin and turning, but get the rest. So would it be fair to say the illusion,spirit, and speed demon are at one end of the spectrum (very gyroscopic) with their wide rims making lots of the weight of the disc going into the rim, and the sabre, blaze, and hybrid on the other end? (less affected by the gyroscopic effect?). This would make sense, cause I've throw the illusion and first thing I noticed was that I could turn this disc to a point where no other disc like it would come out, but it always faded out of its turn. And I haven't thrown the sabre yet, but it has the reputation of being such a straight flyer and having very little fade.

Jack,
Your assessment is accurate for our discs.
You havent thrown a Sabre before?

As fas as new development,
I would like to make the most gyroscopic disc we can that also has the wing shape and deflection angles of somthing stable or dead straight like a midrange.
There are ways to make discs more gyrcopic by using different polymers for the wing ( heavier) and flight plate (Lighter), but it is quite a bit more expensive for the molds to be built and prototyped as well as the machinery needed to produce them.

David

Is that like those proto's we did when i was in st.louis. I think the outside was really heavy and the inside was lighter. Have you did anymore of those?

Dr.Schmidt
TEAM GDS

Ah, but why would you want to make something more gyroscopic, except for s-curves? Why not try making a high speed disc that is straight flying like the sabre and teebird with less gyroscopic effect?

Ah, but why would you want to make something more gyroscopic, except for s-curves? Why not try making a high speed disc that is straight flying like the sabre and teebird with less gyroscopic effect?



Thats the goal for the Scream!!! :D:D

OK... I'm confused. What is this disc? Is it teebirdish or is it a tweener between mid and long range? If so how are you using this disc? Why are you using this disc?

I really just don't know where it will fit into my mostly gateway bag which i think covers most of my needs:

E-wiz - up to ~350" (no wind)
E-Blaze/element for 325" - 370" (with/without wind)
E-Sabre/Teebird - 350"-415" (minimal wind)
H-illusion/E-spirit - max d/turn with wind

what gap is this disc filling? FYI, my tone is one of curiosity

from what david has told me in the past and what i have heard on www.GDStour.com (http://www.GDStour.com) is that it will be like a Tee-bird. so you throw teebirds and now you can take that crap out. hahah

Dr.Schmidt
TEAM GDS

Its a Sabre that holds up in the wind better and can be thrown on lower lines...it resists turn like a Blaze, but has similar flight to a Sabre...its faster and slightly more overstable than a Sabre.

Basically if there is a shot that calls for a Sabre but the ceiling is too low or the wind is picking up a bit, take out your Hybrid.

So, for heavy wind, do I want Blaze or a Hybrid.

*off topic:

I created an account for the GDS forums yesterday, it still hasn't sent me a "account validation" email.
Can someone look into this for me? I used the same name "OldTyme"
Thanks.

Sort of on topic: I really want to try out a Sabre, but wondering which plastic would be best for my noodle arm?
Gateway only lists the E & the S, but I've found others that carry the H (old Apache) plastic.
I'd like a straight flyer with good glide and the hyped "little fade"
P.S. What is the rim like on the Sabre?
(edit: also, what weight would you recommend?)
Thanks.

David

Is that like those proto's we did when i was in st.louis. I think the outside was really heavy and the inside was lighter. Have you did anymore of those?

Dr.Schmidt
TEAM GDS


Not since then, But I have talked with a mold building engineer as well as some machine companies about how to go about getting it produced.

High speed flying discs have longer wings than tbirds and Sabres and are usually flatter.
The longer wings automatically make the discs more gyroscopic.
Gyroscopic discs should spin longer and as long as the disc is stable and has enough lift it should stay in the air longer too.
The trick is making a gyroscopic disc by weight differential not shape!

Sort of on topic: I really want to try out a Sabre, but wondering which plastic would be best for my noodle arm?
Gateway only lists the E & the S, but I've found others that carry the H (old Apache) plastic.
I'd like a straight flyer with good glide and the hyped "little fade"
P.S. What is the rim like on the Sabre?
(edit: also, what weight would you recommend?)
Thanks.



For the Sabres, I'd recommend anything that isn't the new milky or clear E plastic (I find it resists turn much more than the others and I like to throw hyzer flips). The old, opaque E, the H (aka Apache) and the S plastic Sabres all work well for us noodle arms. Personally, I'm a fan of the S. Be aware that unless you throw it high it won't go all that much farther than a midrange disc. Thrown low I get better distances with a JLS, Teebird or Leopard. Thrown high, I can get comperable to better distances, though.

The rim is similar in length to those discs I mentioned earlier. The old, opaque E and H Sabres are really domey and pretty high profile for a driver. The S isn't as tall, but still pretty domey.

I haven't experimented with many different weights. The new E Sabres I've had have all been heavy and the old Es, Ss and Hs have all been 170-175 and have all flown the same.

If you can afford to buy a couple, I'd get a S Sabre and a newer E Sabre. They complement each other really well.

Thanks Scott. I think I'll look into the S for now. It's the cheapest plastic.
I do throw a JLS (and Pro Gazelle) for my longer drives, but it's the midrange approach shots where I'm missing a "go to" disc that will fly straight with little fade.
I just emailed the company I've been buying from (actually cheaper than GDS for some reason) and checked for availibility.

, but it's the midrange approach shots where I'm missing a "go to" disc that will fly straight with little fade.




Old Tyme try a S Element-X that's what I have been using for those types of shots. I was using a Flat Top Z Buzzz but my new 177 S Element-X has been even more consistent for me.

i have played about 3 rounds with the Hybrid now, and to me it flies like a teebird. like a sabre, but like someone else said, you throw it lower, which i like. it has about the same fade/glide as a teebird, but to me it seems a little faster out of my hand. i like it, it's probably staying in my bag.

so when will these be pdga approved/available to the public through gdstour or any other retailers

I don't know when they will be approved but I picked up 3 at 170 grams from SunKing discs.

Looks and feels like a Blaze to me.

how does it throw Mr. schweb? I won't tell anyone :D

Does it fly like a blaze?

I am not familar with the blaze, but I can tell you it flys like an overstable roc IMO.

I am not familar with the blaze, but I can tell you it flys like an overstable roc IMO.


and from my experiences, that's what blaze throwers use them for, an overstable, slightly longer roc.
i think the hybrid is less stable than a blaze, and has better glide, and can be thrown on a lower line.

By less stable than a Blaze, do you mean less overstable?
Also, is the Hybrid on the Gateway site? I didn't see it.

it does look and feel a liTTle blazish....but flies farther on a lower line. NICE DISC!!!!!!

not on the website yet

how does it throw Mr. schweb? I won't tell anyone :D

Did not throw it, just fondled it.

blaze is more overstable, hybrid is more stable.
so...... a hybrid is more stable than a blaze.

By less stable than a Blaze, do you mean less overstable?
Also, is the Hybrid on the Gateway site? I didn't see it.



Its not on the website yet....

It has the same resistance to turn as a Blaze, but doesn't drop off as much on deceleration and has more glide. In other words, its like a Blaze through 60+% of the flight, and then holds on to the line better with less hyzer at the end.

I've gotten an "S" Hybrid worked in over the last few weeks, and its proven to hold a sweet turnover line when broken in. Cool part is that b/c its still decently stable at low speeds, it comes out of the turn a bit at the end allowing for clean landings (no cut rollings) and more distance as well.

So, it is a straighter blaze, it seems. The guy was right; it is more stable. I still don't know if I want a blaze or a hybrid, though.

So, it is a straighter blaze, it seems. The guy was right; it is more stable. I still don't know if I want a blaze or a hybrid, though.


thanks, i thought i was right, less stable, less ovestable, mumbo jumbo, it drops off less than a blaze... ;)
as for which one, i prefer the hybrid, i have to throw the blaze too high to get distance out of it, i can throw the hybrid on a line drive and get the same d. i feel i have more control when i keep the disc low.

What colors are the Hybrids available in? I just saw one at a local shop and would have gotten it if it wasn't grass green. I have a Wizard in the same green color and it can be a real pain to find.

What's the rim on the hybrid compare to?

I've been pretty happy with my bag and trying to avoid the temptation of buying every new disc that comes out, but after reading this thread, I was thinking. "Replace my teebird with gateway... Why not? I do love that gummy evolution plastic"

WRONG. Ferretdance is completely correct when he says it is a blaze. It looks like a blaze, has that non-soft opaque evolution plastic (think 1st run green spirits (non-nike)). It's not as overstable as the clear/gummy blazes, but is the same as the old g3.1i style blazes. It is exactly as fast as a blaze (which is no fast, but faster than a putter). It doesn't have this crazy glide or crazy speed I expected. It is a blaze.... seriously.

It is not near as long as a teebird, nor does it glide as well as a teebird, though it may have a similar flight pattern (but shorter).

If you have a blaze and like it, don't get this disc thinking it will fill a gap in your bag, just dye in the gateway prototype logo and tell people it is a hybrid because I don't think even the shredest gateway snob could pick out a hybrid in a lineup vs. a blaze.

OK.. Sorry to sound like a really negative person here, but I just don't want others to fall into the same thing i did. The Blaze/hybrid are both really great discs. They are slower drivers/faster midranges with a predictable fade at the end of it's flight. They are great for sidearm approaches, big hyzers, and controlled non-max d drives (with/without wind). On a really good rip, even I can get these things over 400", but if I'm going for a longer controlled drive, I will usually go for my gummy sabre or teebird. The gummy sabre in my opinion is a lot closer to a teebird than a hybrid.

I am writing this more to give people info on my take, yours may be different; but I wish I had the info i had now before I went out and bought 3 of these bad boys since I already have a handfull of blazes I adore.

Ranger, it looks just like a blaze's rim. Similar to teebird.

Jon,
I dont mind the constructive criticism, but I'm not sure your assesment would be accurate for throws at lower elevations.
How many throws have you had with it?
Have you tried different hights or speeds?
I do a lot of testing and I will admit at first it seemed similiar but after 20 or so throws I started to notice what the differences were.
Heck 10 feet of different fade could put you 10 feet closer on your putt which In most players cases would have them making quite a few more.! :D
Being in Colorado you may find the stability and fades similiar to the blaze but at see level it has different flight characteristics.
I agree that a Hybrid may be close to a broken in S Blaze or some runs of less overstable S blazes.
For those that have never tried a blaze, the hybrid would probably do most everything an E Blaze would do and for a wider range of players.

There are differences though, especially after the E hybrids get broken in some!
I have never thrown any blazes over 430 , but have gotten Slight beat E and S hybrids up to 480 with a 360 distance shot. Thats 50 feet futher, so something must be different about it.
BTW I have had several thows with E Sabres up to 530 which is another 50 feet.
I want to remind you though these are distance shots sometimes 60- 80 feet high.
I have thrown Distance in colorado and it took me 30 throws to figure out I needed to get the discs lower and with more turn, so I know theres a big difference out there.

I find the hybrid has a much different fading point when reversed and can also be thrown lower turned over right out of the hand with the flex transition being quite a bit slower. The flight plate of the Hybrid is about .012-.016 thinner than the blaze or Sabre, so the plastic is definately in different ratio from rim to flight plate, which in theory should make it fly different at different speeds and heights.

We may consider making the flight plate and nose up to .010 thinner, but are waiting to see if we can get some runs with puffy wings to reduce the satbility.

It would most likely take a lot less concave on the wing for the bybrid to fly like a TL , but it seems similiar to the original CE teebirds ( non TL) once they are broken in some. The original tee birds were quite overstable, thats why they made the TL, which could wind up happening to the sabre/Blaze/Hybrid/Demon.

I agree its not as long as a teebird for most but it should get out there further than the Blaze as it gets broken in some..
The elevation could have a big effect on the ability to flip and also the amount of fade.
Get one broken in and let me know if you notice anything different.

David

Guru, David McCormack, Justin Bunnell, and others,

Gateway recently submitted the Hibrid for PDGA testing. This disc was found to comply with all PDGA requirements, so it has been added to the list of PDGA-approved discs (attached Excel file). The PDGA logo and "PDGA Approved" are now permitted for use by the manufacturer in association with this product. Test measurements are listed below.

Hibrid
Certification No. 05-17
Outside diameter: 21.2 m
Height: 2.2 cm
Rim depth: 1.3 cm
Rim thickness: 1.7 cm
Inside rim diameter: 17.8 cm
Flexibility rating: 8.96 kg
Rim configuration rating: 32.50
Maximum weight allowed: 176.0 g

Discontinuously,
Jeff Homburg (#1025)
PDGA Tech Standards Chair

Is that a typo? Its H-Y-B-R-I-D right?

Yea, Hybrid is the correct spelling.
I had already contacted the pdga to make sure thay had it right. But I guess when I copied and pasted the approval I forgot.
Chris did you get my e mail?
Call me on my cell!

Yea, Hybrid is the correct spelling.
I had already contacted the pdga to make sure thay had it right. But I guess when I copied and pasted the approval I forgot.
Chris did you get my e mail?
Call me on my cell!



I did...I'll give you a call when I'm done with classes today.

Dave. Nice job on the new disc. I really like it alot. It does fill a gap between the blaze and E-sabre for me. It reall y flies like the old 10 X teebirds that i used to throw. More beefy than the TL's. If I were you I wouldn't change a thing. I use my e-sabre for more dead str8 and anny shots, and blaze for the more headwind/ dead hyzer shots. So the hybrid is perfectly in between for those backdoor wind s-curves ans controled str8 hyzer shots where you want that predictable finish. Kudos my man. I will be looking to get some more soon! :cool:

i love em, how much you want for em??????? :D

i can throw the hybrid 40-50 feet farther than a blaze. and the hybrid does not need as much height as the blaze/sabre to get good D(350-400). if you live in an area where some of your shots have a lower ceiling and you like throwing the blaze/sabre, you will like the hybrid. my 2 cents

The pricing should be $10 for S and $14 for E.
You can call the shop to order as they are not on the site yet. 314 487 5204

thanks for the info, but since i live in Durham NC Robbie Dunn is keeping me well stocked. and the latest red E sabres, Boom Boom, these things fly NICE.

David is there a problem with the Hybrid; it says pending behind the disc:
http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=rules/rules_approved_discs.htm

We need to send a check to the pdga for the approval!
Doing that right now! :o