Having recently rejoined the disc golf world after a ten year hiatus, I put a crack in my super puppy, an old favorite putter. So I started using an orginal purple Aviar I had in the closet, it was so overstable back in the day I used it strictly for driving into heavy headwinds. I didn't like it and didn't use it much, but it recently became my main putter after having retired the puppy. I see there are a number of different type of Aviars out there, what is most like the original? We're the originals closer to a "big bead" or a "small bead"? I notice mine was stiffer than most of the others I see out there currently (no pun intended :D). The newer models seems to have stickier and softer plastic....I'd like to replace that old puppy, but I don't think they make them anymore, and refuse to pay a mint for an old one......anyhow, can anyhow who's familiar w/those old aviars tell me which one is most similar today? Thanks.....
Mark

Nothing in my opinion is similar to the original aviars. I loved those discs. The closest to it is probrably the classic aviar with the waffle stamp. You can find those pretty much anywhere, but nothing compares to the no bead originals for me.

You can get super puppys... The only ones I have seen have a greatful dead thing on them though and have been blue or white. I see them in stores and Know you can find one on Ebay. I dont know how they match up with the vintage one you had.

Jan Sobel made a batch of Super Puppys in a semisoft plastic about two years ago, check out
www.dtworld.com (http://www.dtworld.com) and http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

From Innova's WEbstie about the Classic Aviar:
"About the Classic Aviar
The Classic Aviar is the original model that gave rise to all other Aviars. The Classic is our straightest flying Aviar model from start to finish. It is made in a firm plastic with a good grip. Like all other Aviar models it is reliable and dependable in all conditions."


So i guess You are looking for that. That's a classic Aviar.
It's stiffer than almost all other Aviars and it's Only Available in Small Bead.. They used to have thme in Big Bead too, but now you can get the KC PRO Aviar which is a STIFF Big Bead..

So if your Aviar has little or no bead Replacie it with a new Classic aviar.
If your aviar has a noticeable bead it's probably a big bead and can be replaced with a KC PRo Aviar. they are way more stable.

It's possible that you have a "Beadless" CLassic AViar, but Innova doens't currently make any Beadless aviars so you'd have to just try a regular class or Factor off the bead.

Hope this helped.

-Scott Lewis

I recently replaced my beadless Aviar with a Pro Aviar, it flies straight like my old beadless.

You can get a beadless from discgolfvaules.com DTW has new Puppies.

Thanks folks, I knew I'd get some quality help on these boards! Mucho appreciado,
Mark

I started out with a Classic Aviar (first run waffle stamp, feels like Discraft's Pro-D plastic) and after I noticed that starting to get warped a little (3 years of useage) I decided to invest in an 'upgrade'. A friend of mine had a CE Aviar, which I tossed around and liked the feel. Got one of those, and once I got it broken in, it's easily my favorite disc. That thing flies straight and has improved my putting game significantly.

One thing I must add, is that each player is different. One putter might work for one player, and not for another. It all depends on your grip, throwing style, release, wind conditions in the area, etc. The important thing is to find out what works for you, and exploit it.

ive got a stash of old stiff used super puppys if you are interested. I wont gouge you either.

What is a super puppy? Is it better than a wizard?

The super puppy was/is a super fat, small diameter, straight putter. The disc is so fat it looks like a catch frisbee. I used them for quite a while perhaps inspired by Craig Gangloff who used them and did quite well with them. Older ones are generally softer and actually one recent run of about 5 years ago was a "cracky" run, I loaded up with about 10 of them and they crack period, so be careful about that run! They were made by Destiny discs I believe, (not one of the big golf manufacturers) so that makes them a bit obscure. The discraft rattler is a dead ringer for a super puppy so you might want to try that. I have been quite happy with the champion aviar which is fat but not as fat as a puppy, and a straight flyer, although not as straight as a puppy. I have a bunch of super puppys, PM me if you are interested and I could sell you a few.

Hi, it�s basically a scale-down Wham-O mold 41 :p that was made between 80 (81) and 85, it has reappered a few times since then, latest run was about two years ago. Read some more here:
http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/discar_sokdisc.aspx?DiscId=1629
It�s not comparable to a Wizard, the closest disc I can think of is the Discraft Rattler.

Thanks for the puppy offers guys, I think I'm going to graduate to an aviar for good though. Just got my first basket in the backyard (after starting play in '79!) and was tossing a couple of the puppies......the basket (forgot the name) is the kind w/plastic chains, but they've been replaced w/metal. It's a great basket, full size, double set of chains, but just like the old days, they still go through the chains occasionally. The plastic is slick, and one of them weighs 207g....perhaps that latest run in the softer plastic would stick better, but I like the feel of the stiffer discs from the day....although ALL the discs back then cracked and broke much easier than today's plastic. It was not unusual to have a number of broken discs at the end of the season, nor was it unusual to see a couple of discs go through the chains every few rounds (and not stay in the basket). I think I'm going to get about 15 or so Aviars once I find one I like. I'm going to work on putting a lot the next year or so, I think it's the easiest way to take strokes (make that the best way) off my game. I love those old aviars for forhand approach's under 225' too....

MF100Forever: They are kind of like the old 41 molds, but I think they're a bit closer to the 71C* molds. Lost my last one of those this year (I'm losing all my old plastic, still like playing w/a couple of them) (aced w/an original lighting P-38-ultrabright orange one-earlier this year). Those 71C*'s were good forehand approachs too as well as good long (50-80 foot) putters...

That's a good link you posted, nice write up on the puppy, they nailed it....that's a good site, I like reading about some of the old stuff.

Sharky-noticed you're from Maryland, that's where my first pup came from (the old "Disc Ware" company out of Amherst). Also noticed you mentioned Craig, you'll enjoy this link:

http://www.disclife.com/newswire/messages/19/75.shtml?1023141568

The two I've got are yellow, I think they're early early 80's...one does have a bright gold hotstamp on the bottom w/the disc name, maker, location (Super Puppy, Destiny Disc out of Woodland Hills, CA.)-that's the one that's 207g....it was quite the roller too, still is....it's got a 'Skyhawk" hotstamp on the front and is from Discovering the World

The other one is a Puppy, not sure if there was a difference between that and the "Super" it's lighter, about 172g...It's got the Disc Ware's hotstamp on the front, and no stamp on the back. Although it does have Wisecup's name and old phone numbers on the back. We used to play a lot together, he gave me a number of "cup" discs over the years....that's the one I used a lot for putting, it's the one that's cracked. Still putts great, but can't use it legally...

Cool, if you make out to Maryland look me up, I'll take you on a shark tour stop :cool:

Or perhaps I'll see you at paw paw have you been out there?

Closer to your neck of the country I still have never been to knob hill or moraine in the pittsburgh area but they are on my "play" list.

Yes, you are probably right, the profile of the current Super Puppy is more like scaled down 71 , the original Puppy-profile though is more 41-like. We have a guy here that�s still using the SP for shorter holes up to 80meters!

I still uses an old MF100 (180grams) for approach shots when it�s not so windy, works well for me, it finds the chains quite often ;)

Haven't been to the ol' Woodshed or the Whippin' Post, but have been down to Mt. Wood, a nice nine holer near Parkersburg, has some very nice roller opportunties, they keep the grass cut short and it's fairly flat (For W.Va.)......thanks for the Maryland offer, have been to Cumberland, DC, Philly, NJ and New York but never to the "heartland of Maryland"....haven't hit up any courses in Pa, but have played 13 during the last year in Ohio and Indiana.

If I had a legal pup in the bag, it would probably be my main disc for a 70 meter or so approach.....those deep dishes float nice.

.....those deep dishes float nice.



Exactly, poetry in motion......