I have a TL that i regularly throw forehand for hard left turns. Today i threw a really hard drive that completely flipped it over on to its side and actually rolled STRAIGHT. thats big for me, i cant ever do it on purpose. any ideas on what may have caused this. the disc was not anhyzer, it was flat. The speed that it flipped over off a line drive has never happned, and it continued to fly straight as it flipped onto its edge, not flying left as it usually does. so what did i do? was it to much arm, not enough snap? i want to try to recreate this, but ive had no luck since.

- Jared

if it was flying floppy you had too much arm and not enough snap (ie: too much speed and not enough spin).
if it flew clean... not flopping and still hauling [I'm a potty-mouth!], you probably just threw it harder than normal and flipped your disc over (which i can imagine happening using a sidearm on a TL). was it a proline?
sidearming a disc like that releasing flat is not a bad roller shot to have in your arsenal. a useful shot for sure!
if in the future you can't achieve a sidearm roller with that disc try giving it some anhyzer and/or more power till you get it to land on its edge properly. just gotta practice and figure it out.

if you're throwing RHFH and you had a disc that flipped vertical without turning left, you probably had a left-front quartering or straight left-right wind, so the wind offset the natural flight path of the disc. A head wind makes discs more understable (which I'm sure you already knew), so left front quartering wind would make the disc more flippy and less prone to leftward fade.

it was a clean shot, and yea, its a very worn in Pro TL. i use ot for long hooks throwing it just flat, but this time like i said it was more of a roll than a turn.

im sure the wind made it fly straighter, because i was on an open field course i usually dont play, but im hoping that the speed of the throw is what made it roll in the first place.

id love to be able to throw a consistent roller, i know of a whole bunch of holes it would be usefull. ill just keep trying to muscle the disc tomorrow to see if i can get it to happen again. its gonna be hard to keep accuracy though, i dont have too much power when i throw for accuracy. i can realy only get away with that with my over stable drivers...

yeah man. rock it! if the wind and power were exceptional that time just figure out how to adjust using your release angle and thinking about the power. i think learning trick shots like that help us understand our discs and throws better, too.
other discs to try out for the same shot would be DX plastics you may have layin' around (DX tee bird, DX valkryie, DX beast... even DX orcs get crazy flippy once beat in)... i feel like since DX are stiffer they roll better than pro line. but i could be trippin', too. Other non-innova DX grade discs should be fine... didn't mean to leave them out and be snobby :p

id love to be able to throw a consistent roller, i know of a whole bunch of holes it would be usefull. ill just keep trying to muscle the disc tomorrow to see if i can get it to happen again. its gonna be hard to keep accuracy though, i dont have too much power when i throw for accuracy. i can realy only get away with that with my over stable drivers...



Certainly the beat TL isn't what you consider overstable?

...at this moment, I'm trying to back off on the overhand roller...just a flick-of-the-wrist, and it [CEFX] still goes 300 ft. The "bowling" delivery helps accuracy...it's not a muscle thing [but that's a very cathartic throw, and I wish you well if it's working for you]. ;)

Certainly the beat TL isn't what you consider overstable?



No, i was saying i Dont yet have an acurate big D drive, and it makes it worse throwing an understable disc because they have no buffer if i release them wrong. i can only get away with overstable discs on long drives because the release is less sensitive.

and im not talking about an over hand roller, i can do that with a very heavy overstable driver, not consistently, but they roll. this drive has a fast roll onto the discs edge from a flat forearm drive, and continued to roll straight. reminded me almost of a fighter plane breaking from formation like in movies. a quick 90* turn 150' out, then rollin straight for at least another 100'.

i threw an interesting roller today also, it was with an old beat up 170 DX cheeta i use strictly for tommys, and while really pushing it for distance, it ended up doing a complete 180* barrel roll, rather than its usual flip the s curve down to the ground. it was crazy. completely unexpected, but it managed to put me another 50' closer to the pin.

its amazing what ive been getting my understable discs to do with a little extra power. these arent shots ill use often, if ever, but its good to know they are there...