Word around here is that he is suspended. Is this true and why?

he was suspended from team Innova, not from the PDGA

there are still a lot of blanks to fill in there. Is this some super-sensitive topic ;).

Suspension from sponsors. Ahh yes, another guy that is being railroaded from the initial freedom that attracted him to the sport in the first place. Whats conformity??? :D

Well, I heard that the guy has a pretty bad attitude out on the Course.
I have heard from many others that they just as soon wish this guy would lose just because he is such a c@ck !!

Well, if he does start doing poorly and can't make a Living out on Tour I did hear they are auditioning for the new sequel to Charlie and the Chocalate Factory. And they are specifically looking for more Oompah Loompahs !!!

Brad I see a second career in the making :D

Brad, like some other disc golfers can be very nice and personable.......as long as things are going his way, his putts are falling and his disc is missing trees.

Unfortunately, like some disc golfers he can turn into a real [I'm a potty-mouth!] when he starts hacking wood and shanking putts. I suspect his scoring controversy at Nockamixon and subsequent attitude over it at the worlds was the straw that broke team Innovas back.

It's possible there are other factors, but based upon the very little I've heard that could be the jist of it.

Maybe this will be good for Brad in the long run. Sometimes we need to step back and realize puting a piece of plastic into a metal basket is not a life and death situation and the way we behave and treat others is more important than how many birdies or bogeys we made today.

Yeah I agree. You know its funny but the two stick golfers who I admire the most in professional golf are Phil Mickelson and Tom Watson.
And if I ever met them in person you know the first thing I would say
to them ?? No , not the 9 Major Championships between the two of them and how great that was.
Rather I would tell them how I so much appreciated their incredible Sportsmanship and the admirable way they carried themselves on and off the Course.

Thats what I will always remember about these two golfers. Not their wins
The fact that they put a smile on their face even when they were playing like crap says it all.

We all have to decide what Legacy we want to leave those around us when we are gone. And while winning Tourneys is great and will be remembered by many for a long time , its stellar Character that will be everlasting in the memories of many generations to come.

And these two players JUST GET IT !!!

Normally I avoid these types of threads because it's so easy to jump on a band wagon and bash someone and be "one of the crowd". But this is a little bit different.

I'm guessing the few of you who replied have never met Brad. You just go by hear say and stuff written here. You know "I heard it from my brother's best friends girlfriends hairstylist"

Off the course Junebug is one of the happiest, funniest go lucky guys you'd meet. I've had the privlage of spending time with him over the past few years and he's always welcome as far as I'm concerned. On the course he's one of the most focused, fiercest competitors out there. Some people mistake his silence and keeping to himself during a tournament as being an [I'm a potty-mouth!]. BS He's someone that wants to excel and be the best at his chosen sport and do it in a way that suits him. Ever try to talk to any PGA, NBA, NFL, MBA, NHL etc.. during a game? It doesn't happen. Why? because they are trying to focus on the goal at hand. Why should Disc Golf be any different? "But it's all susposed to be fun" I guess that's what seperates the multiple world champions from the rest that are trying to catch up.

You may now continue with your troll.

Normally I avoid these types of threads because it's so easy to jump on a band wagon and bash someone and be "one of the crowd". But this is a little bit different.

I'm guessing the few of you who replied have never met Brad. You just go by hear say and stuff written here. You know "I heard it from my brother's best friends girlfriends hairstylist"

Off the course Junebug is one of the happiest, funniest go lucky guys you'd meet. I've had the privlage of spending time with him over the past few years and he's always welcome as far as I'm concerned. On the course he's one of the most focused, fiercest competitors out there. Some people mistake his silence and keeping to himself during a tournament as being an [I'm a potty-mouth!]. BS He's someone that wants to excel and be the best at his chosen sport and do it in a way that suits him. Ever try to talk to any PGA, NBA, NFL, MBA, NHL etc.. during a game? It doesn't happen. Why? because they are trying to focus on the goal at hand. Why should Disc Golf be any different? "But it's all susposed to be fun" I guess that's what seperates the multiple world champions from the rest that are trying to catch up.

You may now continue with your troll.


Wow, I totally agree with that whole statement. I played with Brad in the Worlds back in like 92 or 93, he was a great guy to play a round of golf with. He complimented many shots thrown by our group, was funny, and just a pleasure to play with. I hope he comes back stronger than ever from all this negativity, and kicks some butt again. I know of several Team members from various companies that smoke and snort their drugs before, during and after tournament rounds, but nothing is done about these players. Those players are hurting the image of the sport more than anyone. point blank period.

Rick,

I'll admit I've never played a tournament round with Brad. I've only heard several stories from different golfers I do know who've competed against him in the masters division. I've had several casual conversations with him. He was very cordial and pleasant when I spoke with him.

However just because he may be nice off the course his lack of courtesy and unsportsmanlike conduct cannot be excused and justified as being a feirce competitor. This thread may be about the Junebug but could be said about many golfers. When someone is having a bad day on the course and he allows his misfortune to control him and turn himself into a childish rude [I'm a potty-mouth!] it is a bad reflection not only for himself but for the sport as well. Furthermore it's an uneccessary distraction to the other members of the group who are also trying to perform.

Any golfer who has this sort of Dr. Jeckl - Mr. Hyde temperment would do well to take a little inventory of his life of what's important and what's less important and what legacy they want to pursue in life. Ty Cobb was a fantastic baseball player who was very competitive. He also has a legacy of being a racist and a player who played dirty and had a hateful, selfish attitude. Pete Rose is a more recent example of someone who was among the most dedicated and feircest competitors in the sport of baseball. Yet what is he known for? Gambling and then lying about it repeatedly and then finally owning up to it in order to sell his book.

Brad would do well to contemplate what's really going on in the grand scheme of things and decide if he cares to be a great person who also happens to be a world class competitor or whether he wants to be remembered as an incredibly skilled golfer whom acted like a child whenever he was having a bad tournament.

We all have to sow what we reap. Brad is now reaping what he sowed this past season. It is his decision whether or not he likes this crop and what crop he'll harvest next year.

I have played rounds with Brad.

There is no excuse for acting the way he did after his round at Nock.

I was there and I witnessed it.

My 7 year old daughter witnessed it also.

No Excuse.

He should act like a man if he wants to be treated like one.

Yeah you hit it right on the spot. I am the first to say I have never met the guy. But when you get a consesus of different people from different backgrounds coming to the same conclusion about someone and their behavior then you get an accurate picture.
Its not just a few select individuals who have made these observations either.

Ty Cobb is a great example. What a shame that all most people remember about him is being an ******* !!


P.S.. Just curious what did you exactly witness Brad doing at Noc ?? Thanks

I think of Ty Cobb as the greatest ballplayer I never seen. What you say is true, though. People will remember you for different reasons. He may have been a champion on the diamond, but a loser in real life.

I heard a story about him trying to run over someone in his truck. Other than that, I heard hes the best Masters player in town.

As his group was finishing their round and tallying their scores, Brad walked up to his group and glanced at his card saying "looks good". He proceded to slam his disc into his bag and storm past everyone. My daughter was waiting patiently for him to sign her disc (I had just told her that he was the best player and she should get his autograph). As he stormed by, I pulled her back (he was apparently in no mood to sign a 7 year old girls disc :(). He then went directly to the parking lot, saying loud enough for everyone to hear "This is the best f-ing course to have the Worlds at, lets have every round here!" :mad: Once in the parking lot he began smacking his chair on a tree, completely distroying it.

BTW, he did not show up to the finals or to accept his 5th place award. (Definding Champion does not show up for awards?) :confused:

This is my best recollection, others may have had a different point of view.

Yeah, I'm sure Innova must be proud...........not!

.....must have been someone else's fault.

blame the course...........take your frustration out on your chair..........yes that's real mature...

what an ambassador for the game.....

While I know a course like Nocka can be very frustrating......BH's inability to maintain some semblance of composure just makes me appreciate guys like Schwebby even more.

BS turned his ankle in the first round of Worlds. The thing swelled up so big I don't how he was able to wear a shoe or even walk, much less play world class golf on some of the most demanding courses in worlds history (Climo's assessment of the courses during awards ceremony). Regardless of the circumstances BS never whines,complains or points blame.

I'd like to think there are more BS's in disc golf than BH's.

Wasnt Schwebs ankle all swollen from a Hornets sting???

Yeah I agree. You know its funny but the two stick golfers who I admire the most in professional golf are Phil Mickelson and Tom Watson.




I have heard different about Hefty Lefty...rumor has it Phil Mickelson is one of the biggest aholes on tour...have you not heard of the quiet feud between Phil and Vijay? They hate each other.

Okay, that might've been it.

I saw it Monday night and it was triple its size. The more I think about it, I think it was at Jordan so it would've been the second round of worlds. In any case it's very commendable and remarkable he was able to perservere through six more rounds and to shoot as well as he did with his injury. He seems to have bad luck at worlds. At snowbowl he had to withdraw I believe because of a smashed thumb.

You cannot tell by his attitude that things aren't going his way. He's not just a professional disc golfer. He's a professional human being. Fortunately there are many others who share Brian's spirit and perspective on life. These people will be known and remembered for these attributes.

The Junebug's legacy isn't set in stone, he could learn to carry his offcourse congeniality everywhere even on bad days but it'll require a will to do so as well as a committment, but it's not our decision it's Brad's decision. So I guess time will tell what his legacy becomes based on his decision.

This is what I heard from a Pro golfer who was at the tournament but he was not in his card.....Towards the end of the round BH was putting and turned around to call Jay Reading a F**kwaud in front of Jay's own parents (among others) who were following them around :eek: :eek: :eek: Not much class in that statement.

Wow

Junebug suffers from SMS (Small Man Syndrome). A boss of mine many years ago told me about this disease...it affects some vertically challenged men. They feel it necessary to project themselves in such a way to try to make up for their lack of verticalness.

I have met him on several occasions...All of them I'm trying to erase from my memory! Even though I am unimpressed with his social behavior, he won a WVO mini a few years back and I made sure that that mini was not any less impressive than the other 400+ minis I've made. In other words "I give people what I would expect in return". Brad please take note!

This is what I heard from a Pro golfer who was at the tournament but he was not in his card.....Towards the end of the round BH was putting and turned around to call Jay Reading a F**kwaud in front of Jay's own parents (among others) who were following them around :eek: :eek: :eek: Not much class in that statement.

Wow

Actually he called Yeti a Fu@K Stick... same difference, and that was at the NT in Des Moines this year.

I have practiced and played rounds with Brad this year and I have never once seen any of the anger or unsportsmanlike behavior you guys are describing. He has helped me with my game this year. I think hes a great guy and untill I see this side of him I will continue to the think way that I do about him.

Also I cant believe you guys are talking about this when a Touring super pro was caught cheating and possibly lying during this years worlds. Dont you think thats a little worse then Brad smacking a tree with his chair and sayin the the cours F***ING sucked???

Both of those things are horrible, but just because one is worse than the other doesn't make Brad's actions ok.

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Also I cant believe you guys are talking about this when a Touring super pro was caught cheating and possibly lying during this years worlds. [QUOTE]


Whoa this thread keeps getting juicier!!!!!!! :eek:

I have practiced and played rounds with Brad this year and I have never once seen any of the anger or unsportsmanlike behavior you guys are describing. He has helped me with my game this year. I think hes a great guy and untill I see this side of him I will continue to the think way that I do about him.



I agree. Ive played rounds with Brad and he helped me on my putting and mental game. Never saw any of the anger thats being spoken about. Yeah it sounds like the things he did were out of line, but i wont think of him that way.

Also I cant believe you guys are talking about this when a Touring super pro was caught cheating and possibly lying during this years worlds. Dont you think thats a little worse then Brad smacking a tree with his chair and sayin the the cours F***ING sucked???



I played with Brad at the San Diego Open last year and he was one of the nicest pros that I've met. BTW Who was the pro who got caught cheating at Worlds?

Nocka was one example. Des moine apparently was another. I've heard several others. No need to detail every story ever told. This isn't a trial or a crucifixion.

I won't bother to name names but I know several other high profile golfers who are incredibly personable under one set of circumstances and evolve into something else under certain situations (ie. A-tier/NT/majors which they are doing poorly) or unhappy about a certain chain of events leading to a dissappointing situation.

Yes, other players do worse things than throw chairs and curse, it still doesn't make unsportsmanlike conduct any more acceptable.

Also I cant believe you guys are talking about this when a Touring super pro was caught cheating and possibly lying during this years worlds. Dont you think thats a little worse then Brad smacking a tree with his chair and sayin the the cours F***ING sucked???



I played with Brad at the San Diego Open last year and he was one of the nicest pros that I've met. BTW Who was the pro who got caught cheating at Worlds?



Yes, who got caught cheating? Did that really happen, or is this another distortion of the facts?

Cheating is just as bad in my book :mad:

Cheating is worse. Way worse. So who was it?

Here is my understanding of an incident at Pro Worlds. Brad Hammock took a seven on hole 18 at Nockamixon. There was considerable discussion with those on his card and PDGA representatives as to whether he really threw eight strokes. Ultimately, the seven was allowed to stand.

That is not the situation that I am talking about.

That is not the situation that I am talking about.

come on Pimp you cant leave us hanging?

That is not the situation that I am talking about.



Please elucidate then. Thanks.

This entire thread is senseless gossip. If you are so worried about not focusing on bad people, then focus on the good ones and stop screwing with someone's reputations, especially those of you who haven't met or played with Brad.

And to accuse an "unnamed" person of cheating is ridiculous, get a life, if you really are that concerned with a pro cheating, take your concern to the PDGA and let them deal with it, otherwise you are just risking their reputation for the sake of your ability to gossip and sound like you have "inside" information.

Gossip is destructive.

None of this is gossip. It is all things that have actually happend. Just because I will not disclose who the situation involved doesnt mean that its not true. I could really care less whos cheating and whos not cheating in the Open division as I dont play in that division yet and untill I do ill let the Open players decide if they want to bring the people involved to light.

Im just sticking up for Brad by saying him slamming his chair against a tree is NOTHING compared to players CHEATING in our world championships.

Plus I hate the fact that people call people out on bad sportsmanship when we all know there have been times where we have kicked our bags or sworn or said a course sucked or thrown our chairs in disgust but as soon as a great player does it it becomes a HUGE DEAL!!!

What a crock.

Every sport has it's characters who get upset while competing at a high level...Brad is probably one of the coolest pros on tour, he just lets "golf" frustrate him sometimes...not everyone can keep their cool 100% of the time, can they?

I threw my chair across the fairway once and someone on my card tried to stroke me for a practice throw :confused:

**** it! It was a practice throw and you know it, because it went further than your disc.. :mad:

If anything that would be a courtesy violation which he would have had to be warned about before being stroked. The fact that it went farther than his disc (LOL) doesn't matter.

I have never thrown my bag or chair down when I have had a bad shot. I think that this horrible sportsmanship and it really shouldn't be allowed. Just because you and Brad have both done it doesn't mean EVERYONE has. Not only does it cause a scene but it also makes the other players in the group a little more uncomfortable, I don't think it's fair for one person that is having a bad round to take down the other players game as well. I also believe it should matter more to the top pro's since that is who most of the spectators are watching, they shouldn't have to witness that at a top pro level.

Plus I hate the fact that people call people out on bad sportsmanship when we all know there have been times where we have kicked our bags or sworn or said a course sucked or thrown our chairs in disgust but as soon as a great player does it it becomes a HUGE DEAL!!!


Tell that to the 7 year old girl who followed her father's encouragement to approach BH and get his autograph. That's the difference. The great players are being watched and observed. The burden of being a great player is having to watch yourself almost all of the time.

I do agree with you on one thing. We all lose it at one time or another. The difference is what stage you're on and to what degree you lose it.

I threw my chair across the fairway once and someone on my card tried to stroke me for a practice throw :confused:


I picked up my daughter and threw her once when I was on the verge of having an ultra-hissy-fit. I considered taking a practice throw penalty for each disc in her bag, but she didn't travel a full 2 meters so I was okay.

It did make us all laugh and was effective at reminding me that golf was supposed to be fun. :) (Well, at least for that day...)

Bingo. Well said.

Plus I hate the fact that people call people out on bad sportsmanship when we all know there have been times where we have kicked our bags or sworn or said a course sucked or thrown our chairs in disgust but as soon as a great player does it it becomes a HUGE DEAL!!!


Tell that to the 7 year old girl who followed her father's encouragement to approach BH and get his autograph. That's the difference. The great players are being watched and observed. The burden of being a great player is having to watch yourself almost all of the time.

I do agree with you on one thing. We all lose it at one time or another. The difference is what stage you're on and to what degree you lose it.



and accepting responsiblity for your actions goes in that statement somewhere.

This entire thread is senseless gossip.

I think that's why everyone is reading it! :o

Look at PGA golf, those guys have lost it before on the course and people joke about it...why should the PDGA be any different? Brad is one of those top pros who get really mad or frustrated, big deal...it's actually really funny, that is until a kid hears vulgar profanity than that is crossing the line.

I miss Cam Todd now that he's gone...that dude used to get really pizzed off on the course.

If woody had gone right to the police, none of this would have ever a happend!

Look at PGA golf, those guys have lost it before on the course and people joke about it...why should the PDGA be any different? Brad is one of those top pros who get really mad or frustrated, big deal...it's actually really funny, that is until a kid hears vulgar profanity than that is crossing the line.

I miss Cam Todd now that he's gone...that dude used to get really pizzed off on the course.



I don't know if anybody has heard of Pat Perez, but whenever a PGA tour event is on TV you will never see him. This is because he throws his clubs, curses at his caddy, and is a huge disappointment for the PGA. He says that he plays his best when he gets mad and acts like an [I'm a potty-mouth!].

If you can't keep your emotions in check, someone else will do it for you /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Brad slamming his chair against a tree is even stupid to be talking about. BIG DEAL. Tiger Woods has slammed his club against trees, the ground, his bag and other things probly over a hundred times on camera. Not to mention the numerous expletives that didnt get edited out on live TV, and even the ones that did. Not saying that thats ok to do, but to criticize Brad for doing that once is just ludicrous. If Brad slamming his chair against a tree is the WORST thing to happen in disc golf, as many of you are putting it, then what would you do about Tiger Woods?? Calm down people, seriously...

Yeah you hit it right on the spot. I am the first to say I have never met the guy. But when you get a consesus of different people from different backgrounds coming to the same conclusion about someone and their behavior then you get an accurate picture.
Its not just a few select individuals who have made these observations either.



I think the only way you can truly get an accurate picture is if you know the guy.

I beleieve it was slamming it until it broke. There are outbursts and there are uncontrollable outbursts.

Anyway, why do y'all keep comparing it to other sports, as if that somehow legitimizes bad behaviour. Why don't we hold ourselves to a higher standard?

Its not just an "other sport." Its our sister sport, ball golf, which is held to a higher standard than disc golf.

The immature actions of others do not condone the actions of another. Your own actions speak for themselves. It is useless to bring up examples in other sports or areas of life. Consider the action on its own merits.

Not saying that thats ok to do, but to criticize Brad for doing that once is just ludicrous. If Brad slamming his chair against a tree is the WORST thing to happen in disc golf, as many of you are putting it, then what would you do about Tiger Woods?? Calm down people, seriously...





I highly doubt Innova is suspending him over one cursing/chair slamming incident.


I heard several stories from different golfers I know who played in his group at different events long before this year's worlds who gave similar accounts of bad sportsmanship. Some issued warnings to him.

There is no need to dig up every tantrum/incident on record here.

However I suspect his lack of cooperation in resolving a scoring dispute, blatant use of profanity while on the worlds stage and absence from the worlds awards ceremony was probably the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.


Apparently Innova believes there is sufficient reason to suspend the three time masters world champion from its team yet we are making a big deal out of nothing?

If Nike suspended Tiger you think no one on the PGA tour would be talking about it?

I know it doesnt condone the actions of others. Im comparing similiar instances. Im sorry if you dont like Brad.

If Nike suspended Tiger you think no one on the PGA tour would be talking about it?



Nike would not suspend Tiger.

Apparently Innova believes there is sufficient reason to suspend the three time masters world champion from its team yet we are making a big deal out of nothing?


so does Innova hold its players to a higher standard than the PDGA? Why hasn't the PDGA done anything

When coming up with acceptable standards of behaviour, we are free to do as we wish. At the very least, taking bratty behaviour seriously could be one meaningful way for us to eclipse our "sister sport."

I know it doesnt condone the actions of others. Im comparing similiar instances. Im sorry if you dont like Brad.



I never said anything at all about any particular player. I have no opinion of Brad. I have never met him, never played with him, never seen him, probably have never been within 500 miles of him.

On an unrelated note, sponsors have the right to drop players on any whim they desire. If a sponsor drops a player because they dropped a candy wrapper on the ground, that is their choice. If it truly was as unreasonable of a thing to drop this particular player from being sponsored as is being implied by some, I am sure he will have no problem finding other sponsorship.

If Nike suspended Tiger you think no one on the PGA tour would be talking about it?



Nike would not suspend Tiger.



Thats why Tiger continues to slam his clubs, use expletives on camera, and other things continuously. You would think he is held to a "higher standard..."

what you don't usually hear about is the thousands of dollars the PGA pros get fined when they're dropping f bombs and slamming clubs...

the pga doesn't advertise these infractions in attempt to uphold the genteel nature of the sport.

Then how do you know that they fine the players if its not advertised???

I dont think they get fined for that stuff...you hear of every reason that everyone gets fined in every sport. I dont think the PGA would cover that up,i dont think that get fined.

Millz,

I'm sorry is there a point to your post? Somehow I don't see it.

Any business, corporation or other sponsoring entity will drop anyone if the circumstances warrant it. When a sponsored player, no matter how talented or even dominant, becomes a liability rather than an investment the athlete in question is dropped like a white hot rivot.

Don't believe me?

CASE IN POINT: KOBE BRYANT

KB had numerous sponsors drop him overnite when he was charged with rape.

Another example (and more tantamount to the current discussion) is Fuzzy Zoeller. Fuzzy made one off the cuff remark about Tiger choosing collard greens as the meal of choice after he (Tiger) won his first masters and immediately Kmart pulled all FZ's products from their shelves. All that was bad judgement in using a stereotype as an effort to get a laugh and bam immediate action. So don't insinuate anyone is untouchable and beyond reproach.

I want to be the John Macenroe of Disc Golf. :D

That would be cool :p

This thread reminds me of junior high. Oh wait I have to graduate before I can be reminded. :D

so does Innova hold its players to a higher standard than the PDGA? Why hasn't the PDGA done anything

Maybe no one has followed the process to start a PDGA disciplinary action. The PDGA does not discipline players sua sponte. Someone has to complain in a formal sort of way. Usually it is a TD who complains.

Rape and Racism are illegal.
We are talking about unsportsmanlike conduct, not illegal acts.

I would say Nike wont ever drop Tiger unless he does something illegal. It just wouldnt be a smart business decision.

[/QUOTE] so does Innova hold its players to a higher standard than the PDGA? Why hasn't the PDGA done anything

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I can't answer for the PDGA or for Innova.



Having said that, as I alluded to in my last post, a company's bottom line can be affected positively or negatively by a sponsored individual's behaviour, performance or perceived integrity.

If a player (any of their team) is deemed to be a hinderance to the company's marketing efforts, it's understandable that they may take action in the best interest for the company's image and potential long term profitability.

The PDGA, in my opinion probably had reason enough to take some disciplinary action, but probably wouldn't have as much as a vested interest as did Innova.

Disagree if you will, that's my take.

Nike still has Kobe...they did not drop him.

:o

this might be a little off topic, but.... I think the only people who think of stick golf as a "sister sport" to disc golf is disc golfers.... I am pretty sure that the overwhelming majority of stick golfers have never even heard of disc golf, and if they had, they would laugh at the thought that disc golf is their "sister sport".....

I will now hang up and go away....

preach it parker. ;)

I gotta say it.......He is right!

Rape and Racism are illegal.
We are talking about unsportsmanlike conduct, not illegal acts.

I would say Nike wont ever drop Tiger unless he does something illegal. It just wouldnt be a smart business decision.



Racism is not illegal. Otherwise, Klu Klux Klan marches or conventions would never be held.

Brad is the Phil Hellmuth of disc golf.

LOL! ;)

I am pretty sure that the overwhelming majority of stick golfers have never even heard of disc golf, and if they had, they would laugh at the thought that disc golf is their "sister sport".....




That was probably the position of the buggy whip manufacturers when asked about that new fangled "iron horse..."

I wanna be like Brad!!!! :p ;) :D:D

pga pros definately get fined for a variety of infractions...

phil giving 20-1 odds that furyk holes a bunker shot, mike weir takes him up on it... fine, gambling

tiger caught on tape cursing - fine, vulgarity/cursing

perez caught slamming clubs - fine, conduct unbecoming a professional golfer

Nothing too significant, but I have reviewed the PGA tour players only handbook that details all of the eligible fines and infractions (they even have different levels of $$$ for the level of vulgarity involved)

on Kobe - I believe adidas dropped him after his legal issues, nike picked him up afterward

Go speak with some PGA players and then report back. :eek:

I forgot one fine they actually advertise - slow play...

after one warning on slow play, 1 stroke penalty, $5000
next infraction, 2 strokes, $10000
third infraction dq

if they fine 5000 for taking longer than 40 seconds to play a shot, you DON't think they'll fine other things??

Nike wont ever drop Tiger unless he does something illegal. It just wouldnt be a smart business decision.



Please allow me to edit your post slightly to convey the point I've attempted to make in two prior posts


Nike won't ever drop Tiger unless it becomes a smart business decision


Tiger is very articulate in press conferences, shows a good taste of humor and has patience with the media during interviews. He comes accross as very likeable. He is very knowlegeable about the history of the sport and pays tribute frequently to the forefathers and pioneers of his sport.

These attributes (in addition to his outstanding play) are highly sought after by major sponsors looking to attract consumers and thus a bigger market share.

His on the course sulking and occassional cursing (which is almost never audible and visible mainly to those looking for it) are overshadowed by his likeable personality he shows the media.

Nike, Buick and countless other sponsors are willing to pay him top dollar for his endorsement because it is deemed a profitable investment.

Tiger knows exactly all this and I highly doubt he'll ever significantly jeopardize this marketable image he's worked for so long to project.

However, hypothetically if he ever got messed up on drugs, abused steroids, got repeatedly Billy Carter drunk in a manner that the media got the goods on him he could potentially be dropped by anyone as the golden goose would turn into a avian flu infected turkey and no longer a good business decision.

after one warning on slow play, 1 stroke penalty, $5000



I wondered why Sergio Garcia stopped his excessive waggling!

So Sergio Garcia gets fined every time he makes a shot and get DQed from every tournament???

I watched him regrip his club 25 plus times before making a shot at one tournament and this was on NATIONAL TELEVISION!!!

Nike still has Kobe...they did not drop him.



I know Nutella dropped him. I'm not sure but didn't Sprite drop him also?

Five years ago he was on constantly. How often do you see him in commercials today? I honestly watch very little TV nowadays, but I don't recall seeing him nearly as much as before the accusations.

I thought the slow play penalty in ball golf goes against the group as a whole, not individual players..

Nike still has Kobe...they did not drop him.


Adidas did drop him. Then Nike picked him up, and put a really stupid ad about him in the inside cover of 2 issues ago of an ESPN Mag.

So Sergio Garcia gets fined every time he makes a shot and get DQed from every tournament???

I watched him regrip his club 25 plus times before making a shot at one tournament and this was on NATIONAL TELEVISION!!!


That was over THREE YEARS AGO!!!

I'm pretty sure you are correct, thus Rocco Mediate's tirade against that dude a while back. That, and Rocco being a donkey orifice. ;)

That was over THREE YEARS AGO!!!



WOW!!! Times really does fly :D

when a group gets behind, whether the fault of one player or the entire group, the whole group goes on 'the clock' - after this each player has 40 seconds to hit his shot, the only exception is the first to hit into a par 3 gets an extra 20 seconds.

so sergio can regrip 1,000 times as long as his group is not on the clock and/or he can do it in less than 40 seconds.

Can I grip my disc 1000 times before I throw it? Sister sport. Thats funny. :D

So Sergio Garcia gets fined every time he makes a shot and get DQed from every tournament???

I watched him regrip his club 25 plus times before making a shot at one tournament and this was on NATIONAL TELEVISION!!!


Hey, you read my mind with that one. I think I watched the same tourney. That guy is the slowest player I have ever seen. Everytime I watch him I am thinking "Just hit the Ball already".

Can someone spill the beans and tell us who cheated at Worlds? I am tired of reading this thread. :p

Hey, you read my mind with that one. I think I watched the same tourney. That guy is the slowest player I have ever seen. Everytime I watch him I am thinking "Just hit the Ball already".




I can think of more then a few disc golfers that every time they step up to a shot im thinking "Just throw the disc already" The best is when they take almost a minute and then shank and the disc only goes like 5 ft :D Or the person who lines up the putt 40 times and then doesnt even hit metal :D

Hey, you read my mind with that one. I think I watched the same tourney. That guy is the slowest player I have ever seen. Everytime I watch him I am thinking "Just hit the Ball already".




I can think of more then a few disc golfers that every time they step up to a shot im thinking "Just throw the disc already" The best is when they take almost a minute and then shank and the disc only goes like 5 ft :D Or the person who lines up the putt 40 times and then doesnt even hit metal :D



Am I one of those guys? I know that I take forever to throw. :D:D

Am I one of those guys? I know that I take forever to throw.:D:D



I dont know. Never even seen you play. But if you think you take a long time Ill add you to the list :D

Yeah I takes me like 3 minutes to line up a shot. Oh wait more like 3/10ths of a second. :D

Yeah I takes me like 3 minutes to line up a shot. Oh wait more like 3/10ths of a second. :D


Matt, you really do take forever on the pad. Seriously. I always consider giving you a warning, but by the time i even think about it, the disc is already flying within 10 ft. of the hole!

Yeah I takes me like 3 minutes to line up a shot. Oh wait more like 3/10ths of a second. :D


Matt, you really do take forever on the pad. Seriously. I always consider giving you a warning, but by the time i even think about it, the disc is already flying within 10 ft. of the hole!



Or ten feet into the schule. :D:D

Tiger is the most fined player in the PGA. FACT. by far.

The PGA European Tour has fined Sergio Garcia for kicking an advertising board during the third round of the Omega European Masters last weekend. The tour declined to disclose the fine amount.

Garcia kicked the sign Saturday after three-putting the 17th for a bogey. He won the tournament in Crans-Sur-Sierre, Switzerland, on Sunday.

This is not the first time the fiery Spaniard has found himself in trouble.

At the Cisco World Match Play Championship in England in 1999 -- the year he turned professional -- Garcia was reprimanded and warned about his future conduct after slipping on a tee, taking off the offending shoe and kicking it, almost hitting Referee John Grant.

In the 2000 British Open at St. Andrews, he was reported for slamming a club into the turf after his ball finished in a divot.

And at the 2001 Greg Norman International in Sydney, Australia, he was penalized for taking an incorrect drop while leading the event, and in his fury hit a golf car and a tree with his sand wedge before criticizing Chief Referee John Paramor.

Horses Mouth (http://www.pga.com/news/tours/european/garcia090605.cfm)

In a very quick search, There are SEVERAL articles written about Tiger being the most fined PGA player on the tour.

Sorry to break away from the PGA discussion but I have a couple of questions about Brad.

When he demolished his chair, was it during or after the round?

When he cursed at Jay, another Disc Golfer I respect, why was Jay near Brad? Didn't they compete in two seperate divisions?

What does a father who pulls his daughter away from a golfer who's trying to get an autograph have anything to do with the rules or bad sportsmanship? Is this just more fuel to add to the fire?

And enough of the "I heard it from someone" or "someone who was there saw...". It's become too easy for people to come on here and just bash. Other players, tournaments, TD's. Seems as most of the content of the mess bored is all about whining and ******** anymore. Granted Brad may need to grow up. Same can be said for all those who quickly jump on the lynching bandwagons. If you have an issue then as was stated earlier, "be a man" and deal with the issue. Talk to the player or TD in question, if this doesn't resolve the issue then take it to the appropriate officials. Simple enough.

And yes there are differences in the way players, both am and pro, carry themselves in this sport and any other sport. It's a part of life that everyone is going to have to deal with. And I know as well as anyone. My list of sponsored players includes, both past and present, Schweb, Hammock, Stan Mcdaniel, Cam Todd, Walt Haney, Leslie Herndon, Larry Leonard, Alan Beaver and so on. Kind of reads like a list of the good, the bad and the ugly. And in some way, shape or form everyone of those has helped this sport grow whether you want to admit it or not.

Fits of temporary rage can be a good thing. Lambier, Rodman, Owens, Dibble, Tiger, Mcenroe etc... They all brought thier individual styles of play to thier respective sports and through thier actions they brought attention. People came out just to see if this is the time they lost it. Heck the press from Brad slamming his chair couldn't be any worse then the rampant drug use by many or blatant cheating by a few in our "sport".

During the round has nothing to do with it.

NT Tour Player's handbook:
8.2 Professional Misconduct

1. 8.2.1 Players who are guilty of any misconduct at the tournament site or any facility in conjunction with a PDGA sanctioned event may be subject to a fine and/or suspension from the Tour.

The standard rule book also used to restrict activities at the venue from the start event til the end of the awards. That wording has since been removed.

Sorry to break away from the PGA discussion but I have a couple of questions about Brad.

When he demolished his chair, was it during or after the round?

When he cursed at Jay, another Disc Golfer I respect, why was Jay near Brad? Didn't they compete in two seperate divisions?

What does a father who pulls his daughter away from a golfer who's trying to get an autograph have anything to do with the rules or bad sportsmanship? Is this just more fuel to add to the fire?

And enough of the "I heard it from someone" or "someone who was there saw...". It's become too easy for people to come on here and just bash. Other players, tournaments, TD's. Seems as most of the content of the mess bored is all about whining and ******** anymore. Granted Brad may need to grow up. Same can be said for all those who quickly jump on the lynching bandwagons. If you have an issue then as was stated earlier, "be a man" and deal with the issue. Talk to the player or TD in question, if this doesn't resolve the issue then take it to the appropriate officials. Simple enough.

And yes there are differences in the way players, both am and pro, carry themselves in this sport and any other sport. It's a part of life that everyone is going to have to deal with. And I know as well as anyone. My list of sponsored players includes, both past and present, Schweb, Hammock, Stan Mcdaniel, Cam Todd, Walt Haney, Leslie Herndon, Larry Leonard, Alan Beaver and so on. Kind of reads like a list of the good, the bad and the ugly. And in some way, shape or form everyone of those has helped this sport grow whether you want to admit it or not.

Fits of temporary rage can be a good thing. Lambier, Rodman, Owens, Dibble, Tiger, Mcenroe etc... They all brought thier individual styles of play to thier respective sports and through thier actions they brought attention. People came out just to see if this is the time they lost it. Heck the press from Brad slamming his chair couldn't be any worse then the rampant drug use by many or blatant cheating by a few in our "sport".



Someone asked what happened at Nockamixon and I gave my account of what happened. I understand what Brad did, but I do not condone it and will not ignore it. Actually, I used his outburst to teach my daughter about how not to act when you lose.

I agree with Steve. Innova dropped him. They must have their reasons.

so Rick are you calling Lary L and Alan B the UGLY?? :D

I agree with Steve. Innova dropped him. They must have their reasons.

This is a perfect illustration of the half-truths and mis-truths that get circulated as "gospel truth."

Your "account" of "what happened" would be a lot more credible if you got your facts straight before shooting off your mouth.

For the record, I don't know Brad, have never met Brad, and have no opinion on what sort of a person or player he is.

I just tell it like I see it. Check Innova's website. I don't see Brad's name mentioned anywhere. If you do, please let me know. And please let me know what "half-truths" I have told, since you must know. I mean, you where there, right? :D

In a very quick search, There are SEVERAL articles written about Tiger being the most fined PGA player on the tour.



maybe the pdga should start fining people for misconduct

I agree with Steve. Innova dropped him. They must have their reasons.

This is a perfect illustration of the half-truths and mis-truths that get circulated as "gospel truth."

Your "account" of "what happened" would be a lot more credible if you got your facts straight before shooting off your mouth.

For the record, I don't know Brad, have never met Brad, and have no opinion on what sort of a person or player he is.




John,

In this post you acknowledge you've never met or played with BH.

I'm curious as to what basis you have to deem the testimony of an eye witness as a half truth or mistruth.

While I'm all about not jumping to conclusions, I have heard (in person long before this thread) too many accounts from several different reputable masters players that have been in a grouping w/ BH for this to be baseless hearsay.

Innova's recent action appears to stem from these sorts of reported incidents. While I haven't discussed it with the brass at Innova this appears to be a reasonable conclusion to draw.

Is this thread largely gossip? Absolutely!

Are the accounts of bad conduct largely false and contrived?

I highly doubt it.

Gossip rules, I don't car if they are lies or truths...it's interesting and entertaining to talk about Athletes, especially the Pros :p

Brad has a hot temper, big deal...it's more funny than anything.

Brad has a hot temper, big deal...it's more funny than anything.



True,

It is kinda funny to see a little guy get really ticked off, start cursing, and destroying things. (Not specifically about Brad, just short guys in general). Me, being over 6ft tall, I just want to pat the short angry guys on the head and say "aw... isn't it cute when you get all angry and pouty" Then I put my hand on their head to keep them from hitting me with their swinging fists.

LOL :D

So Sergio Garcia gets fined every time he makes a shot and get DQed from every tournament???

I watched him regrip his club 25 plus times before making a shot at one tournament and this was on NATIONAL TELEVISION!!!


Hey, you read my mind with that one. I think I watched the same tourney. That guy is the slowest player I have ever seen. Everytime I watch him I am thinking "Just hit the Ball already".



Why is everyone wasting their time watching golf on TV?

It helps me fall asleep! :p

Can someone spill the beans and tell us who cheated at Worlds? I am tired of reading this thread. :p



Agreed. Why was it ever brought up if y'all didn't want to talk about it? Who was the cheater? (he asks while looking at Pimp)

The Pimp is the only one who's leveled any accusations of cheating on this thread and I'm pretty sure he wasn't even in Allentown during Worlds.

Maybe if you'll are so interested in the juicy details, you could inundate him with PM's until he breaks and starts to sing. That'll teach him to start something and not finish it.

Also I cant believe you guys are talking about this when a Touring super pro was caught cheating and possibly lying during this years worlds. Dont you think thats a little worse then Brad smacking a tree with his chair and sayin the the course F***ING sucked???


I don't think about it, because I don't know about it...what happened?!? :confused:

I'm no MTL but here is my Rhett impersonation.

"Name names."

:D

I'm no MTL but here is my Rhett impersonation.

"Name names."

:D


Excellent. I've already said just that via PMs to pimp. :)

just assume it is the squeaker of the tale that is the cheater, that will get us a name.

I agree with Steve. Innova dropped him. They must have their reasons.

This is a perfect illustration of the half-truths and mis-truths that get circulated as "gospel truth."

Your "account" of "what happened" would be a lot more credible if you got your facts straight before shooting off your mouth.

For the record, I don't know Brad, have never met Brad, and have no opinion on what sort of a person or player he is.




John,

In this post you acknowledge you've never met or played with BH.

I'm curious as to what basis you have to deem the testimony of an eye witness as a half truth or mistruth.

You obviously need remedial lessons in reading comprehension.

Had you bothered to read the second post in the thread, you would know that, contrary to Mr. Cordel's assertion, Innova DID NOT drop Brad; they suspended him from Team Champion; and had you bothered asking any of the Team Innova or Team Champion members privately what the story was, you would know that the suspension is for 6 months.

The fact that Mr. Cordel misrepresents the nature of Innova's disciplinary action because he couldn't be bothered to get the facts straight despite the fact that the nature and details of the disciplinary action are widely known and can be easily obtained casts doubt on his credibility as an objective or unbiased witness.

For the record: I do not know Dan Cordel, and i very much doubt he knows me, either.

Mr. Mclaugh,

Seems to me you're a hairsplitter.



Whether it was Team Innova or Team Champion which took action against the former master world champion Brad Hammock is a rather trivial detail in my mind.

Whether said action was a temporary suspension, a permanent dismissal , being grounded or a reduction in his allowance is also not the primary concern to most.

What is pertinent to this thread is that a high profile world champion disc golfer had some sort of disciplinary action taken against him by a major sponsor.

I happen to know Dan fairly well and have a good deal of respect for him as a person as well as a player. I wouldn't ever suspect Dan to misepresent anything or contrive baseless stories.

I just find it amusing that someone like yourself that freely admits you've never met Brad or Dan feels so passionately about a situation in which you weren't a part of, were not a witness to and feel compelled to attack others you don't know over secondary details that few people think are germaine to this discussion.

Allright John, your turn post something else to show you're one in the know. And while you're at it you could probably point out I mispelled a word or two in one or more of my posts.Find some small detail to make a federal case about that should make you feel better.

great post!
Ditto
Amen
and all that stuff.

I agree with Steve. Innova dropped him. They must have their reasons.

This is a perfect illustration of the half-truths and mis-truths that get circulated as "gospel truth."

Your "account" of "what happened" would be a lot more credible if you got your facts straight before shooting off your mouth.

For the record, I don't know Brad, have never met Brad, and have no opinion on what sort of a person or player he is.




John,

In this post you acknowledge you've never met or played with BH.

I'm curious as to what basis you have to deem the testimony of an eye witness as a half truth or mistruth.

You obviously need remedial lessons in reading comprehension.

Had you bothered to read the second post in the thread, you would know that, contrary to Mr. Cordel's assertion, Innova DID NOT drop Brad; they suspended him from Team Champion; and had you bothered asking any of the Team Innova or Team Champion members privately what the story was, you would know that the suspension is for 6 months.

The fact that Mr. Cordel misrepresents the nature of Innova's disciplinary action because he couldn't be bothered to get the facts straight despite the fact that the nature and details of the disciplinary action are widely known and can be easily obtained casts doubt on his credibility as an objective or unbiased witness.

For the record: I do not know Dan Cordel, and i very much doubt he knows me, either.



No Comment.

So John, if you know so much about the "Suspension", why don't you tell us the details. Why was he "Suspended"? Or, would you please direct the curious to the horses mouth, so there is no misrepresentation of the truth. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Since DG Chimp(j/k btw) was rotating his tires during pro worlds, anything he has to say about anything that happened there would only be hearsay.

We want it straight from the horse's mouth. Who told you, Pimp?

" Actually he called Yeti a Fu@K Stick... same difference, and that was at the NT in Des Moines this year. "

Maybe in 5 years or so if l practice hard enough I will make it to Pro Masters.
If I ever get to play with him I say just let this little fellow say something like that to me........

I will knock him silly if he says something like that to me.

Sorry if the guy is a munchkin and hates the World for it. Thats not my problem and he will not get away with that behavior on my watch.

End of story

So, you would get DQed due to the taunts of someone for whom you have no respect? How are you NOT the clear loser of that battle? :confused:

What ?? They will DQ for cold cocking someone who called you a F@ckstick ??

Where I come from thats legit justice ! The way I was grown up is
if you don't want to get a major ***** whooping then don't go around blatantly disrespecting people !
Period !!

And if you don't like it either shut the F up or stay away from people like me :o

You may want to think about it before you start tossing threats around. Where I come from the bigger man is the one that walks away from nonsense rather than stirring the pot. There's always someone bigger and tougher and more skilled than you.

Oh, and yes, you would get DQ'ed for physical violence in response to a verbal taunt. And you'd also probably get suspended for a good long while.

I'm really sorry this happened and to the integrity of the officials involved. This should never be tolerated.
Our Sport is very forgiving to alot of the corruption out there and sponsors have scouts at our tournaments , looking at our professionalism and how issues are handled.

People call me fu(kstick, I take it as a compliment.

what about then they call you a fu(kmouth?

I cant believe someone that small would call Yeti who for those that dont know Is a huge former Lineman who could squash him like a bug ,Good thing Jay is the standup guy he is .

Usually, when someone has "little man syndrome," they look for the big guy to say those things to.

The only fight I have ever been in was with a guy that was about 5' 2", 160 lbs. And he started it! He had this syndrome and the big DR gave him his medicine! :D

I know the principle of the High School where Mike Tyson went. He says Mike was always in the principal's office for decking other kids with one punch. It was always the other guy who started it, usually much smaller than Mike.

That sounded kinda like blatant disrespect? :confused: I hope I never have to DQ anyone. :)

I thought the actions in question were from being too uptight about one's own game in the midst of competition.

There sure is a lot psycho-babble-analysis going on in this thread from a bunch of people who weren't there! Maybe we should look at the suspension from Team Champion and watch how things progress with the player and comment on that instead?

Brad can still compete....right? :p Has he, since?

I noticed that Team Innova added MitchMac to the team.

He is one of the top Masters players in the country AND a great guy.

He is also the 3rd Okie on the list that I know of. (Kevin McCoy and Coda Hatfield)

where is the list of discliplined or suspended players again??? :confused:

try this for starters (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=517&Number=440113)

Here it is (http://www.pdga.com/org/disciplinary_actions.php)

Usually, when someone has "little man syndrome," they look for the big guy to say those things to.

The only fight I have ever been in was with a guy that was about 5' 2", 160 lbs. And he started it! He had this syndrome and the big DR gave him his medicine! :D




he he, sometimes it is a point to be made by the little guy... no matter the outcome, the point is made (from personal experience)

thanks Thong. still no Brad. I guess what he has done is only a violation for Innova. :D :o

Dave Mellin - 10 year suspension??? OUCH!!!!

Wonder what Mellin did? :eek:

hopefully he did not destroy a chair or call someone a F*CKSTICK :D