Everything was either nose up, or burned straight into the ground. After trying over and over, with a driver, I was told that my grip was good, I just need to use a straight pull through instead of a bent elbow/curl. I ended up just playing 2 rounds with 2 mids and a putter, eliminating drivers on all but 3 holes. What's the best way to start revamping my throwing style? Hypnotism? Large rock to the head? Dropping a tivo into a pool at precisely the same time I fall into the pool as well?

Sorry, you need a large [email protected] to throw with any distance. http://www.spectreinternational.net/Emoticons/lmao.gif

Sorry but I remembered that statement from your last thread.

I can't help. I'm a new player. I just today found out what it feels like to pull across the body & be fast at the "hit".
If you read my "best grip for spin/snap" I thought the problem was my grip, but it wasn't my grip where the problem was, it was the pull through. Once I get my timing down I should have it.
So.......I guess I should have a point to this....... find out what you're doing wrong & fix it!
I'm such a great help. I should start my own DG website. :D

sounds like balance and timing issues to me.

the nose angle is basically determined at the rip/finish so a straight pull vs. bent shouldn't make much of a difference unless your timing is off. a straight pull is more forgiving.

as for burners, that's generally being too far weight forward and/or starting your pull too late.

CanI,

I know you may shrug at what I say but I hope it can help you relate to your problems. Even if what I say will not help you technically, it should at least help you mentally.

So, your plus or minus 40ft off your average drive, that is not unnormal.

Let me make you feel better, hopefully.

I would say my average drive is 420-425ft when I go out to crush the disc on a wide open hole. I had been using an Orc or a Beast, now I am using an Avenger and a Beast. I say that 420-425 is my average, because usually with these discs I will get at least 390-400, but will max out around 460ft. Thats a 70ft range that I may or may not experience. So when I walk up to a 460ft hole (negating wind or elevation) I could either park it for a drop in two or lay up for an easy three.

Now I know that you are brushing this off, and saying "yeah but I would at least like to throw that far". But what I am trying to relate to you is that distance is fickle for us amateurs. Pros will be able to throw more consistent distance shots and narrow their margins of error/distance.

My margin is +/- 8%, perhaps Blake could say if that is considered consistent accruate distance or if I would have to get below a 5% descrepancy. For a short time until you gain control, remember that you will lose accuracy on your distance shots. Sometimes it is better to throw short and straight instead of longer and fading into the shule.

Good luck.

you dont need a straight pull back to throw far, a bent elbow works fine if you have the arm speed, torque and follow through.

This 40 ft. loss makes it almost a 100 ft. loss over the past 2 months. For some reason I've been getting worse everytime I go out.

In June I was throwing about 330 average, now I'm throwing 240 average.

I've been throwing putters and mids more, from everyone's advice, but I don't htink that'd be the problem.

Everything was either nose up, or burned straight into the ground.



Perhaps you are trying to throw too hard? If I try to throw too hard I tend to either break my wrist (causing excessive turn over) or dip my shoulder which would cause it to ground out early.

Try envisioning yourself as the Zen Master. Just be smooth and work on form. Once you get the form, you will then be able to add the speed which will increase distance.

AKA, form will help with better timing.

Sleep on it, go out again tomorrow and try again. Some days your body just doesn't work the way you want. It happens to everyone. I've had days when I couldn't throw well at all, come back the next day and looked like a different person.

That only happens to people who throw "the disc of the moment" discs such as the Orc, Starfire, etc.

Slow down your form and just try to throw the shot and dont worry about the distance....

Ive added the 40-50 feet I lost after not playing for 2 years doing this (slowing down) and it feels GREAT to be able to FINALLY have that snap that I used to have.

Have you gained any control during the 40' loss?

How often do you change your trajectory or height on purpose while throwing in an open field?

We just put in (REDESIGNED) Creve Coeur Lake Park into a 10,400' foot course that has 5 par 3', 12 legitimate pars 4's and 1 par 5. Ive been attempting to throw more 400 foot drives on this course the past 2 weeks than any course I have played since Ozark Mountain.
The first few rounds I was throwing drives trying to stay in the fairway and getting off some long controilled throws of around 425'.
Now that I know the course better I've TRIED to throw some BOMBS and have wound up in some pretty bad spots way shorter than when I was just throwing for control and accuracy. When throwing harder and higher I wound up with throws well short of 400 and not in the fairway anymore.
Height and trajectory make a huge difference in how far you will or can throw a disc, especially with high speed drivers. Yeah I might have gotten a few up to 500 but the average D and a lot of the control went way down when I was trying to throw farther.
For those who dont think it takes A LOT MORE skill to throw over 425 accurate than in does to throw 350, youre WAY off base.
This game of disc golf needs to evolve into more par 4' and 5's in order to fully utilize the equipment and ALL skills required of an athlete in order to be taken serious by other atheletes.
Par 54 courses that are based on 2/3rds putting has been a great way to introduce people to the game, but legitame par 4's and 5's is the best way to attract athletes onto the game.

I guess I drifted some there, sorry about that!

An interesting perspective though, never thought about making longer holes like that would add to the game, but now that you mention it, seems like it really would.

I only managed to over throw one hole today, which resulted in a lost putter. All the others I was really short on...worst round in over a year. I think it's time to just go to a field and start with the training drills. I tried everything today from just focusing on snap, to throwing without thinking at all...and my putts are almost as bad as when I started now. Another month of this and I quit.

Negative atitude does not help us beginners. that could be one of your problems. when im having a bad round, i get down on myself and it just gets worse and worse. i [I'm a potty-mouth!] one put, and i focus on that so much my putts are bad for a week. the only way i can get back to normal is by forgetting about it. untill i forget it happned, i focus on changing my form so much i mess everything up.

what i think you should do is take a week off. do yourself a favor before you get too frustrated. i had one of the worst games in months a week ago, and the more i tried to play better, the worse i got. yesterday i went for the first time in a week, and other than the first few holes of warm up, it was one of my best rounds.

i wasnt stressing over form, i was just playing and having a good time. i was also alone, which meant i didnt have to worry about being embarassed when trying something different, like trying a different line on my drives, and using discs i dont usually use.

it helped me, it may help you. i think you need a break.

sorry for the essay, but i think this could help. from one newb to another.

I definately have to agree with Mental Attitude... IT has a lot to do with how you will play especially if you are already playing poorly. SOmetimes it's not enough though.
I had been playing great for the past 2 weekend. I Played pretty well at a local tournament. I went up to watch the Warwick NT event and shot my personal best from Silver-Silver when i was practicing after rounds.
Then last weekend I went to philly for a tournament and I just couldn't get my form down. I played poorly, but i guess everyone else played worse becuase i actually got 3rd.
I think that if I got down on myself like I normally do that I would have not had fun and would have shot way worse than 4under for the day.

Trying to stay upbeat and positive is very important and even more important when you are still learning your throw or new types of shots(rollers/annies/thumbers/etc).

-Scott Lewis

take a few weeks off and then come back
or play rounds without keeping score, which is what i normally do during casual rounds.

Only problem with the few weeks off idea is that I have c/b-tier this weekend. Then I'm gonna take a leave of absence.

CanIHaveYourDisc: I only managed to over throw one hole today ... worst round in over a year. I tried everything today from just focusing on snap, to throwing without thinking at all...and my putts are almost as bad as when I started now. Oh, Godfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.

VITO CORLEONE: You can act like a man!



Just messin' around. But seriously, take it from the Don.

You enjoy this sport, right? Then don't make it into something you stress over. Get out there and play. For fun.

I've been playing for 2.5 years. In that time, I've endured months of constant sucking. Long periods when it seemed like I'd lost everything, when it was a struggle just to play competently. Every time, I've played through it, and every time, I've come out significantly improved.

And my recovery has always come after I realize that I'm out there because I love making discs fly. When I start taking the game one shot at a time again, and remember that a parked drive followed by a missed putt is still a great drive, and a long putt to save double bogey still sounds great hitting the chains.

So stop beating yourself up. Get out there and throw. Enjoy your successes and learn from your mistakes. Love the game and it will love you.

Only problem with the few weeks off idea is that I have c/b-tier this weekend. Then I'm gonna take a leave of absence.



Who are you? I gave some tips to Justin Gossman the other day at the Pour House Open and when he utilized them he seemed to really take to it. During the first round he was utilizing a pullback method I showed him (which I was shown by Marty Peters who has a 600' max drive) and he shot a +1, he said he got away from it in the 2nd round and he ended up something like +16... I've learned a lot this summer and if you need some help I could try to look over your drive. I've been looking over things all summer and addicted myself for a time to falling to sleep to a montage of pro drives that I made (lol)...

-Woj.
(pulling pretty well over 400' lately)

I am Justin Gossman! :D Woj, thanks again for the help, I'll be relying on you in the future too, if you don't mind :p

I am Justin Gossman! :D Woj, thanks again for the help, I'll be relying on you in the future too, if you don't mind :p



*foot in mouth*

lol... well anytime you need help, you know who to call. *GHOSTBUSTERS*

I agree with everyone here talking about a positive mental attitude and throwing smooth NOT hard.

I get down on myself WAY to much. It kills my game! I have been working very hard at leaving the last hole behind. It is not an easy thing to do, but if you can master that, your game will show the positive results. There are too many times that I kick myself for not getting the deuce on a "Must birdie" hole instead of being satisfied with the 3. Take the 3 and move on. Carry that hole with you and your round is shot. Heck, I just tied for DFL in a tourney last month at a course I should have tore it up at. It happens. We all have bad rounds/tourneys. You gotta let them go and move on.

I had a few throws yesterday where I was trying to "crush" (for me at least :D) it instead of throwing smooth. The results were yanks, shanks and throwing it way too high. When I smacked myself in the head and said "Smooth not hard dummy" I would throw the shot again and "crush" ( for me at least :D) it without throwing hard. Technique is better than power.

You don't always have to throw it 500' to be able to win. Don't get too hung up on distance. We would all like to throw real far, but if you can throw smooth and consistent, have a good mid game and become very consistent on your 30' putts, you will be just fine.

Don't give up just because you are going through some difficulties right now. You are still new. It will come. You just have to relax and remember that you play to have fun. Don't expect it to come overnight and don't be too bummed about relapses. Keep working and the consistency will come. I have been playing for four years, about one and a half "seriously/competitively". I have been through about 6 or 7 different putting styles and it has JUST NOW (last month really) become consistent in the 20'-30' range. I don't drive very far, my average is 300'-330', but I am still working on it. I refuse to give up because I am hopelessly hooked. I may never be a top dog but I will keep working on improving and having fun. If I can get my mental game under control I will be golden.

Some of the best advice I got was by someone just making a [i'm a potty mouth] comment......"Throw smarter, not harder" Now I need to work on the same thing of leaving the last hole behind me, I start thinking about why I bogied the last hole instead of birdying it, then I bogey the next few too.

Oh yeah, Woj....take your foot out of your mouth, I know that will drastically throw off your form, but please take a picture first, I don't think you can do it :D

Doesnt sounds like this is your problem but i noticed in my own game that my distance will drop off about 50-75 feet if I have been playing too much. MOstly because I am older then some of these young punks and my body doesnt heal as fast. I see the distance come back if I take 4-5 days off and go back out and play.

Another things that works for me is to simply slow everything down and focus on the "hit" I slow my whole motion down and I have noticed better accuracy and distance with a far greater consistency. Alot of truth in what the others are saying about positive mental attitude and playing smarter not harder. I know its brought my game up a notch or two. Learning how to putt hasnt hurt me either :P

The days where I realize I have been playing too much and my arm even though its not hurting is still weaker then normal I just work on putting and approaches within 100ft. Its amazing how working on those aspects helps me with all the aspects of my game.

No offense, but age shouldn't be my problem...I'm only 20 :cool:but i used to be into BMX and random acts of stupidity, so I broke my right (throwing arm) collar bone at least once probably more like 3 or 4 times and never went to the doc/e.r. about it, so now with every drive, my arm makes 3 popping noises on reach back then 3 on the throw/follow through. It doesn't hurt, just feels weird sometimes.

Yeah you shouldnt have any problems with muscle fatigue. Main thing is hang in there and pester your local pros and the folks on the boards. There is a wealth of knoweldge out there to help your game and a lot of people willing to help. you still have to find out what works for your game but your young and that does count for alot :) www.discgolfreview.com (http://www.discgolfreview.com) if you havent been there has a lot of articles on all aspects of the game. I cant say any one in particular helped my game but reading all of them several times and trying different things has improved my distance from a dismal 175 when I started to around 400 on a really good drive and I would say I average between 330-360 on most of my drives. Youth is definitely an advantage but I dont complain for an overweight old fart :)

Youth does help, I started about 5 years ago and have since picked up every bad habbit there is...too heavy, too stable, poor follow through, horrendous reach back, etc.. but i can force myself to change it. During the winter I worked purely on snap, only throwing my roc for the whole round, that helped out a lot, but now i am focusing on form until next spring.

i dont think it will be too good in the long run if your arm is popping everytime you throw. it might not hurt now, but in 20 years you might not even beable to throw. you should try a new way of throwin or start practicing left handed. i know i take on the attitude of "i am young" all the time, but we are not gettin any younger and i know i want to be throwin for the rest of my life. i have had multiple snowboarding injuries that put me out a couple months at most in the past, after all the nightmares of bustin my left arm i retired the board(s). but i am still gonna suffer from back pains when i throw, which makes me practice more and more in learning to throw smoooooth.

the best advice i ever got was "you cant do it"
makes me work harder and prove em wrong

It's not loud or a strong feeling, in fact, it's barely noticable. I am far from even being somewhat coordinated with my left hand(only thing I can do is type, and that took years to be able to) Also, I know I won't be throwing in about 20 years from now anyway..too many knee and ankle problems, so that's why I'll just be acting as TD for the local club :Das long as I promote disc golf, I will always be happy.

20 years from now you'll be an uber-successful PDGA tour director and I'll just be some washed up wanna-be touring pro living out of his car, Justin. In the end it all evens out ;)

maybe i'll still have parts of my memory and will cut you a deal for playing my tourney's