I hear everybody always talking about rocs. All the Pros throw them and they are all great. And I guess normal players throw them and it works for them to. So whats all this hype on Rocs? What are the different kinds? Is there a Roc breakdown? Are some Rocs better than other Rocs?

So many questions. I mean in my personal opinion anything that Kevin McCoy (hometown hero) or Barry or Ken throws should be in my bag, or at least I should kbnow enough to see if they work for me.

So what do you know about Rocs online disc golf community? :D

get all the 2001's you can! :D
The roc is the most sold disc there is!this is why you need one,no i dont work for Innova. :mad:

How can you tell if a roc is a 2001 Roc? I guess I really dont know anything about them at all.....

How can you tell if a roc is a 2001 Roc?


They say "2001" in the hotstamp.

Ahhh. Never would have suspected it would be so easy.....I figured Carbon 14 dating or something really technical... :D

the first rocs (San Marinos and Ontarios) are preferred by some players, I personally like the Ontarios. Then there's the next series of rocs (Rancho Cucamongas) which seem to be a little more stable than the older ones. Then you've got the CE rocs (I use a 2001:eek:) and those are just plain awesome!!!

You know it's a 2001 Roc if the someone is asking / offering $70 for it ;) If you're a connoisseur then you might hunt for your favorite but don't bother. Just buy a 180g DX Roc and throw it for all of your mid-range needs until you have it figured out.

There have been many Threads Posted about ROCS and a few of them were the History of the ROc..

Basically YOu had the San Marino Roc, then the Ontario, and lastly the Rancho ROc.. THese are all described too by the Factory in which the mold was produced.

These Mainly Refer to the Basic DX Roc Molds..
They also have
KC Pro Rocs
Fundraiser SUPER ROCs
and Candy(CE) Fundraiser Rocs.

The KC Pro ROc is not made of normal pro PLastic.. it's seems more chalky to the touch and more durable than the DX... Many people prefer the KC pro becuase it's more stable and many Pros like Steve Brinster carry at least 1 of these.

THe Super Roc was created Years ago when they were producing the SE(Special Edition) Plastic.. It's a different mold that seems to be more domey and more Floaty IMO...
They have since been reproduced in a pro/se type plastic to help raise money for the world Championships.

Lastly is the Candy Fund Raiser ROCS..
These are produced in limited quanitities each year and sold to help raise money for the USDGC.
THey started in 2001 and that is the most sought after Roc Ever.. You will see it on Ebay for over $200 in MInt condition!

They basically produced only
- 1 stamp in 2001(although there are small amounts of other stamps and colors) in a Neon green/yellow plastic
-1 Stamp in 2002(also small amount of other stamps)
-4 stamps in 2003(i have complete set :) )
-5stamps in 2004(1 Glow disc with it's own stamp)
-5 stamps in 2005(1 glow disc and 1 special plastic disc)

The last 2 years they have also produced a different stamp when you bought your disc at the USDGC called a spectator roc. but anyway..

If i'm remmebered correctly Each year of CE rocs they don't always use the same mold.
The Special Blend 2005 roc isn'tthe samemold as the regular CE 2005 Roc.
Since they are different molds that also means that they will fly differently.

That's the basis of what ROCs you can get.
The reason they are so great is becuase they are one of the most accurate and dependable discs you can buy. Although i like the Z-buzzz(best disc ever but only 1st run) the Buzzz is a beat up roc.

Hope i helped you out in some way.

-Scott Lewis

I hear everybody always talking about rocs. All the Pros throw them and they are all great. And I guess normal players throw them and it works for them to. So whats all this hype on Rocs?
<font color="blue"> They have a reputation for being very controllable and hold a nice true line. Their blunt nose design (low tech) makes them more forgiving than the high tech beveled edge drivers. They are good multipurpose discs and many players carry three or four at varying stages of seasoning (read beatness) for different shots. </font>

What are the different kinds?

<font color="blue"> Quite a few!! There's the 80's style(small,flat) that looks like an XD with more of a bead.In the late 80's they made them bigger and more domey. Then spawned the various manufacture location distinctions ie. san marino, rancho cucamonga and ontario. Then they came out w/ the larger yet super roc.(has been used as a worlds fundraiser last few years). There's the champion roc (candy version) and the sought after line of USDGC champion roc of which I believe keldog was referring to as in the 2001 USDGC champ roc.(by the way I sold one yesterday for $183.50) The USDGC rocs are fundraisers for the USDGC tourney in Roc(k) Hill SC in Oct. </font>

Is there a Roc breakdown? Are some Rocs better than other Rocs?

<font color="blue"> Personal preference/opinion and if you're talking collector usdgc rocs:budget. </font>

So many questions. I mean in my personal opinion anything that Kevin McCoy (hometown hero) or Barry or Ken throws should be in my bag, or at least I should kbnow enough to see if they work for me.

<font color="blue"> Don't put too much stock in what others throw. Everyone is different. What works for Barry may not be the best disc for you. Knowing your plastic is the most important aspect in disc selection. Don't plunk down $100 for a USDGC roc just because Barry, Kenny or Keldog get it to work for them. Maybe for you it's a buzz,coyote,spider or wasp. It could be a beat to he11 Gateway Chief. Play to your strengths and don't get preoccupied with what others are throwing. </font>

So what do you know about Rocs online disc golf community? :D

<font color="blue"> Well, are you an expert on rocs yet? I fielded your questions the best I could and gave you a bonus lecture at no extra charge.</font>

Thanks. So, I guess I'll go out and get a few Rocs and play around with them. But not before I get a Wraith...how wicked... :)

as an additional statement I'd have to say that to get the best experience at what a Roc is supposed to be like i'd buy a DX roc in the highest weight you throw for a midrange.. even after the Pro and CE rocs.. there is nothing like throwing a DX roc.

-Scott Lewis

P.s. Let me know how the wraith is when you get it.. Hopefully i'll have one in the next few weeks even though i dont' carry anything highspeed in my bag except for my monster for hyzer shots.

You carry no high speeds? Whats your bag look like? :confused:

You carry no high speeds? Whats your bag look like? :confused:



You only carry what you need. At my home course, the longest open drive I have is just barely over 400ft (412ft to short pin or landing zone of long placement).

Like Scott, I can throw a Teebird that far, so at my home course I do not need any high speed drivers Orc, Beast, Starfire, Crush, Flash, Avenger, etc. Most of the time I am throwing Teebirds and XL's or midranges off the tee box.

Now there are other courses where I need my high speed drivers, so I carry them. But other people are content with just sticking to "teebirds and rocs". Personally I do not understand why you would not want the extra distance of a high speed driver, but there is less consistency with a disc such as an Orc compared the a Teebird.

And I have to throw this in....

BUZZZ BUZZZ BUZZZ......much better then Rocs. :D

A buzz is a similar to the ce rocs. You may want to check one out. I have one, and just ordered another one.

red_haired_one

My Bag consists of:
2x Classic Aviars (Driving and Push Putting.. 1 is just backup)
1x JK AViar-x 4time (Driving and Hyzer Upshot.. Jump putting)
1x Champion Stingray (Still getting used to it... Obvious reasons)
1x 1st Run Buzzz (Very beat.. My Go to disc for Everything inside 330)
1x Cryztal Buzzz (Hyzer Disc... Much more stable than any other Buzzz)
2x 11time KC proline Teebirds (1 beat and 1 new... Every type of Distance shot)
1x Proline Monster (Hyzer Shots and Headwind Shots.. will probably change over to a CE FL)
1x X-Avenger (Experimenting... Beat up for Hyzerflip and Rollers)

I'm starting to work over the x-avenger.. that's considered highspeed so i guess i have 1 highspeed disc in there that i drive with although it's not widerimmed..
I have much more accuracy with a teebird than i do with any of the higherspeed drivers and the teebirds are more forgiving especially because they have a predictable fade at the end.

-Scott Lewis

Click "Search" above to find lots of threads about Rocs.

Culled from those threads is...

A PRIMER ON ROCS

(Ed. Note: I take no responsibility for the veracity of the following information since it was collected from this Discussion board. Some people will undoubtedly quibble with some of the details.)

� Types of Rocs:
-Original Roc - �Wings & Rings�, named because of the logo,- flat XD style Roc, made in San Marino
-Classic San Marino Roc - original dome, made in San Marino
-Classic Ontario Roc - slightly more domey, made in Ontario
-New Classic Roc - The Classic Roc is still in limited production and will be available from time to time. It is now in the category of an all-around disc. The two closest discs to it are the XD (not quite as stable) and the Ching Sniper which is a little faster and a little more stable.
The San Marino was more like the Rancho than the Ontario
-Proto KC Roc - it has the disc going through the Innova logo and reads "the Choice of Champions."
-After Proto KC Roc - Has a bar through it; it came just after the Proto KC Rocs.
-Original KC Roc - made in Rancho Cucamonga. The first run KC Rocs have a bar going through the Innova logo and reads "Champion Discs."
-KC Roc - made in Rancho Cucamonga. (The number of Xs refers to the number of years that Climo is listed as World Champion. Eg.- 9 times = 9x.)
-Super Roc - made in Rancho Cucamonga. The "Rancho" mold is identical to that of the USDGC Champion Roc, the KC Pro Roc and the staple, DX Roc. The plastic is sleek and grippy like old school Pro Line material. The Super Roc will provide a unique feel and enhanced durability. Sales of these discs will help support the 2004 PDGA World Championships in Iowa.
-Special Edition (SE) Roc - made in Rancho Cucamonga
-Special Edition (SE) Super Roc (178-180g) - made in Rancho Cucamonga
-Champion Edition (CE) Roc - made for the USDGC.
o 2001 version is the Rancho, sharper nose (i.e.- not blunt). Most overstable.
o 2002- regular blunt nose. Least overstable of the CE Rocs
o 2003- is the blunter nose KC 8x mold
o 2004 � blunt nose
o 2005- the "pre-release" run of 1000 '05s are a remake of the Ontario mold , as are the Special Blends (SBs). Since the SBs were advertised as straighter than the regular '05s, my guess is they're not blunt.
-Pro Roc (used to be the Super Roc). Available in SE plastic in 2004.
� All of the discs referred to by the city are not of the old style mold. The classic Roc was subsequently produced from the old original mold, or one like it, for those that craved the old disc. The "new" type of Roc has been produced with three different city names on the bottom, first San Marino, then Ontario, and now Rancho Cucamonga.
� The flat XD style Roc (sometimes referred to as the Wings & Rings Roc) and the original dome Roc were made in San Marino. Then came the slightly more domey Ontario Roc. Now Innova has gone back to the flatter dome a la
San Marino Roc, and they are stamped with Rancho Cucamonga and this includes all KC Rocs, Super Rocs, and
the ever sought after Original KC Rocs and Special Edition Rocs. Finally to further complicate things there are some San Marino Rocs (both XD style and domed style) that some refer to as "triple ring Rocs." Look at the under side and in the middle you will see 3 distinct rings.
� Different KC Rocs have different characteristics. The 8x are stable. The 9x are understable.

History of the different kinds of Rocs:

1) Original Roc 21.2 cm diameter - narrow rim, one of the first discs with a bead, and was basically a beaded version
of the XD. This disc was first released around 1987, and discontinued around 1992.

2) Classic Roc - was a re-release of the original mold and came out around 1995 (I think)

3) New mold Roc - which we have several variations of today - is a 21.7 cm disc and was first released in '88/89.
Basically they beefed up the rim of the original and made it significantly more stable.

3.1) San Marino Early runs were made in San Marino, CA (and are the most sought after - selling for $50+ on eBay). Early runs had the same "wings n rings" stamp as the original mold, and had just a little dome to the flight plate. �A couple runs in '91/92 were super flat and hard - the best rocs they ever made, IMO.�
� The San Marino was more like the Rancho than the Ontario. (Dave D.)

3.2) Ontario Manufacturing was moved to Ontario, CA and a new mold was produced around 1994/95. These runs tended to be just a little domier in general than most San Marino's - but were still awesome straight flyers.

3.3) Rancho Cucamonga Rocs. The Rancho Cucamonga Rocs were yet another version/mold of the same disc - and early runs had retained the shape of those early 90's runs of San Marino's Hard and Flat and very stable.

3.4) KC Rocs The onset of the KC plastic has produced a number of variations of the new style Roc (I think all Rancho mold's - with a slightly different plastic) I can't really speak to the quality or flight variations of the Ranchos/ or KC's as I haven't gotten through my stack of San Marino's yet

3.5) Pro (SE) Rocs in 2004. The Pro Roc should be available Mar 2004. The Pro Roc is overstable in tests. Pro Rocs were made from the standard DX Rancho mold, which is the more stable version. The "Rancho" mold is identical to that of the USDGC Champion Roc, the KC Pro Roc and the staple, DX Roc. The plastic is sleek and grippy like old school Pro Line material. The Super Roc will provide a unique feel and enhanced durability. Sales of these discs will help support the 2004 PDGA World Championships in Iowa.
See https://zonedriven.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/239

� With the proto-Rancho and the proto-KC Roc; there is a difference between the two. The proto-Rancho was made in heavier weights only and had an Innova choice of champions rainbow stamp, the disc came in white only and has a disc through the logo. The proto KC is similar but has an enormous nipple that actually indents the top of the disc (exactly like the 8 time KC Roc). The logo was also similar but there are differences there as well. The Innova stamp doesn't say choice of champions and is a bar through the logo and not a disc. (from Joyup Lee)

USDGC Rocs
2003 more stable than 2002. (Dave D., 3/5/03)

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get a comet. :D