Just wondering if any more discussion has been held regarding the moving or rotating of the state championship of DG's biggest and most successful state?

I know that there are plenty of players and organizers, myself included, who think it would be great to get it on a four year rotation so that it would be geographically easier for this state's huge amount of tourney players to all have a shot at our most prestigious A-tier (or what's supposed to be anyway).

I know for my money, as much as I love the Bass complex in Houston, the drive, the weather and the fact that a lot of my friends won't make that trip each year seems to indicate that this idea has merit.

If you had Dallas, Live Oak (SA), Waco, and Houston (possibly even Lubbock if a 5-year rotation was possible), it seems to me that you'd be offering our vast player base the chance to compete regularly in what is supposed to be the best state championship in the contiguous 48.

I thought since I'm the bad guy/rabble rouser again, I'd go ahead and bring it up so folks could tell me what a jerk I was and then get on with the business of debating the idea on its own merits.

Have fun.

BTW, for Houston to act like they're the only place where a STATE championship can be help is childish and silly. Just MHO.

Just wondering if any more discussion has been held regarding the moving or rotating of the state championship of DG's biggest and most successful state?

I know that there are plenty of players and organizers, myself included, who think it would be great to get it on a four year rotation so that it would be geographically easier for this state's huge amount of tourney players to all have a shot at our most prestigious A-tier (or what's supposed to be anyway).

I know for my money, as much as I love the Bass complex in Houston, the drive, the weather and the fact that a lot of my friends won't make that trip each year seems to indicate that this idea has merit.

If you had Dallas, Live Oak (SA), Waco, and Houston (possibly even Lubbock if a 5-year rotation was possible), it seems to me that you'd be offering our vast player base the chance to compete regularly in what is supposed to be the best state championship in the contiguous 48.

I thought since I'm the bad guy/rabble rouser again, I'd go ahead and bring it up so folks could tell me what a jerk I was and then get on with the business of debating the idea on its own merits.

Have fun.

BTW, for Houston to act like they're the only place where a STATE championship can be help is childish and silly. Just MHO.

Athough I like the idea of a rotation it is going to stay in Houston due to tradition and the fact that nobody will step up. Also where else can you play three courses so close together? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Scooter:

Tradition? Its a bad idea, that even you say you like the opposite of but TRADITION is a good enough reason to keep more players from playing in the championship of our state? You mean that?

As for people stepping up, let H-town relenquish its stranglehold on the event and cooperate with a rotation and just watch how many people will step up. Just because you guys have had kind of a revolving door/burn out factor lately, doesn't mean the rest of the state would.

As for tradition, I've traditionally had a bad time twice and haven't and won't be back. There's your tradition. And it had nothing to do with my play so don't go there.

BTW, for Houston to act like they're the only place where a STATE championship can be help is childish and silly. Just MHO.



In what way is Houston acting silly? If your friends won't drive to Houston, what makes you think they would drive to Dallas or possibly Lubbock? If no one wants to drive anywhere then it will never really be a "State" tournament. So what is the point of moving it?

Gee Richard, real strong arguments there.

First of all, if claiming that no one else can hold a Texas States because "we have it registered...whaaa." is childish. Okay? They don't want it to move, but not because of any magnaminous concern for the sport or its players. You don't belive me, do a little research.

Secondly, you made my point for me, thank you. Lots of folks won't drive lots of places. Thats why you take our biggest tournament on a tour of the biggest state with the most tourney players and give folks all over a chance to compete in what SHOULD be the biggest and best state championship in the lower 48.

But since you made my point for me, I'm sure I don't have to expalin that to you, right?

In that case why don't we move Tx State doubles, Octoberfest, Texas womens championships, and Tx teams? :confused: :confused:

Scooter:

As for tradition, I've traditionally had a bad time twice and haven't and won't be back. There's your tradition. And it had nothing to do with my play so don't go there.



Why have you had a bad time? Because of the weather or what? By the way it rains everywhere.

Now you're just being silly, Matt. Give me some actual meat as to why this idea (not my idea, lots of folks have/are discussing it) is not a good idea for both the event and the players.

As for State Doubles, and those other you mentioned, they are not true state championships, in singles head-to-head competition. They are great events in their own right, but not A-tier/Super Tour championships. C'mon, you know what I'm saying.

As for World Doubles, I think that ought to be moved around too. Why should a World Championship, a Major for chrissakes, be in one spot in BFE Texas? It should travel around the country. Or is too much to ask for a WORLD championship?

Scooter:

As for tradition, I've traditionally had a bad time twice and haven't and won't be back. There's your tradition. And it had nothing to do with my play so don't go there.



Why have you had a bad time? Because of the weather or what? By the way it rains everywhere.



What does it matter (you don't want me to bring it up). This isn't about me. Debate the issue at hand, youngster. ;)

Ok so what percentage of the other States move their State championships every year? I'm sorry but I feel that Tom bass has Quality courses (especially the new Wilmont) in a close proximity and that alone makes it the right place for the State championships. If it is moved I think it should be to Austin and be there very year due to its central location and good courses.

Okay, my young friend now you're making sense. Now allow me to shoot holes in your arguments.

(BTW, for anyone that doesn't know me or Matt, I have a lot of respect for him, and while I'm thrashing him on this thread its out of love. ;) )

First of all, I don't know what other states do, and quite frankly I couldn't make myself care if you paid me.

By way of example, the four states whose borders touch ours have a total of 75 courses. 75 COURSES MATT!, We almost have counties with that many!

What other states do, doesn't make jack to me. We have more courses, more players, more organizers, basically we have more. Period.

I love the Bass complex and the proximity of courses to each other. But, are you going to tell me, that the Cedar Hill courses in Dallas, the three courses in Waco, the courses in Live Oak (and more that are planned) aren't just as good for championship play? If so, you're out of your young mind.

Okay, lets deal with one simple question at a time. Ready?

Do you, or do you not belive that there are tourney players in Texas who do not participate in States because they've done it before, but don't feel like making the drive to the City of Humidity annually.

Yes or No?

Okay, my young friend now you're making sense. Now allow me to shoot holes in your arguments.

(BTW, for anyone that doesn't know me or Matt, I have a lot of respect for him, and while I'm thrashing him on this thread its out of love. ;) )


First of all, I don't know what other states do, and quite frankly I couldn't make myself care if you paid me.

By way of example, the four states whose borders touch ours have a total of 75 courses. 75 COURSES MATT!, We almost have counties with that many!

What other states do, doesn't make jack to me. We have more courses, more players, more organizers, basically we have more. Period.

I love the Bass complex and the proximity of courses to each other. But, are you going to tell me, that the Cedar Hill courses in Dallas, the three courses in Waco, the courses in Live Oak (and more that are planned) aren't just as good for championship play? If so, you're out of your young mind.

Okay, lets deal with one simple question at a time. Ready?

Do you, or do you not belive that there are tourney players in Texas who do not participate in States because they've done it before, but don't feel like making the drive to the City of Humidity annually.

Yes or No?




In the past yes but now that it has been moved to Oct. the humidity is no problem. Last year it was like 82 degrees for crying out loud. Also it only rained for about 6 holes total so I don't buy the weather arguement.

Just a thought...

Since obviously HFDS and players in the Houston area don't want to just hand over the name of Texas States to the state, why not just comprimise.

Start "The Texas Players Championship" as a B-tier for the first year or so. If it is a a huge success then petition the PDGA for A-tier status. Rotate that tournament around the state for a few years. Once it has proven a success then approach HFDS once again about using the name Texas State Championships, like maybe in its 4th year when Houston comes up in the rotation. I would think that HFDS would be more willing to discuss the name if it were proven to them that a rotating championship and multiple cities and TD's works...

First of all, Matt, quoting me is not answering my question. Please play along.

Fuzzy, Houston doesn't want to give up Texas States Chgampionships, uh, why exactly?

Get with the program, the bigger picture. Hey, here's an idea: Care more about the players and the sport than you do your ownership of a STATEWIDE CHAMPIONSHIP. Am I the only one that thinks this makes those folks arguing for H-town to keep sole ownership of the event bad? Really bad? Are you guys on Crack?

Why dont they want to give up the name? I can't answer that question since I am not a Houstonian nor an HFDS member. I beleive Nez answered it on another thread awhile back but I dont remember exactly what he said.

Personally I like the idea of a traveling championships and what it could accomplish in the state, which is why I offered a thought on it.

Questions about this years Texas States Disc Golf Championship will not be answered in this thread. I believe most of these items have already come up in the Texas Scheduling thread which surely Mark has read�. Lets move this discussion to the appropriate place and once again take the attention off someone who from all I can tell just �talks� these days.

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Unfortunantly Gimp being this years TD does not give you the power to decide where we discuss this issue.

No it does not skippy, but the board rules do and this is not the appropriate place for the discussion. Now get back to your algebra homework�

Then the moderators will take care of it. Also I only said that because of the negative/snooty way you went about it.

Like you are Mr. Positive Interaction skippy...

No i never said that but you seem somewhat hipocritical since you are always talking about my negativity.

Perhaps, but I can count the "positive" things you have added to disc golf threads on about "no fingers".

Still no response on what tournaments you have "offered to help with"....

Being in the truck while your dad worked on States stuff does not count�

Sorry but I don't remember that and I have not offered to help in your events for a reason. I wasn't talking about events i have helped in but the courses I have worked on in the past. By the way you seem to never lift a finger to help with workdays or even go to other tournaments unless it is for your personal gain.

Wrong again. I have been to many work days at Bass...

Not in the past two years

Sure I have, you were even at one of them (I painted about 1/3rd the benches on the Wilmont, one time) - but enough with the pissing contest...

Well I will just take your word on that.

ANYWAY...!

gosh, texas is humid? lets move Texas States to Seattle. its not humid or hot there in October or September or even April or May.

Cedar Hill is no way no how even close to the quality that is Thomas Bass. nice courses, good courses... but not even close.

Waco is sweet no doubt. but the front 9 of olde cameron, while intensely beautiful classic oldschool disc golf, is not state championship material. besides, Waco has an NT already.

Live Oak? amazing course. and getting even better. someday when those other courses are built in that area, Live Oak will be holding serious major tourneys. but not States.

LubbocK? get serious. if people wont drive to Houston, what makes you think they'll drive to LTown?

as far as owning the rights to a name... yep, it works that way. thats our western legal system for ya :cool:

all these posts are on the wrong thread because texas has never had a state championship. there has been a tournament every year that calls itself just that. but the bottom line is it is just another tourny that happened to pick state championship as a name. a true state championship would have qualifers or playoffs just to get to it. now there you go mark that's how you get different courses involved. top 4 here top 4 there in each division. if people thought they playing a true championship they would make the drive.

I don't think that having qualifiers would change anything since all you would have to do is play one or two events to get in.

Okay, so we've got sandalman, who obviously hates me, taking one part of my excellent question (the humidity, which is just my nickname for H-town) and trying to make a lame point with it. Typical for this i diot, but not helpful.

As for you Gimpster, I'll start a thread and discuss what I want where I want. As for your accusation that I'm all just talk, well that's just fine. Let's all bash Mark here and not discuss the real issue. I diot.

Now, could we please get back to my question?

Questions about this years Texas States Disc Golf Championship will not be answered in this thread. I believe most of these items have already come up in the Texas Scheduling thread which surely Mark has read�. Lets move this discussion to the appropriate place and once again take the attention off someone who from all I can tell just �talks� these days.

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Nice defense there copy boy. Take all the attention away from someone YOU can tell is just talk? How bout lets all have a discussion, if the States [I'm a potty-mouth!] will allow it, where it springs up, you twit.

By the way, Mr. Revisionist History, I have done just a few wee little things for the sport over the years. Just 'cause they weren't cool enough for you to "emulate" doesn't mean I didn't do 'em.

The attacks are getting old Mark and your smack is so original it might as well be �I know you are but what am I� coming out of your mouth. "I diot" whoo hoo that Atwood sure is a message board legend�.

You know what Mark I declare you the end all be all of disc golf knowledge� There you win. I don�t have time for your garbage any more�

So does that mean instead of going back and forth with me, you're actually going to address an issue I brought up without making it personal? Could it be true? Wow!

Well, I await your insightful knowledge.

Now, if you guys are through with your "chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling-and-its-all-the-fault-of-that-evil-bastage-mark-atwood" diatribe, here's the original and very VALID post:


I know that there are plenty of players and organizers, myself included, who think it would be great to get it on a four year rotation so that it would be geographically easier for this state's huge amount of tourney players to all have a shot at our most prestigious A-tier (or what's supposed to be anyway).

I know for my money, as much as I love the Bass complex in Houston, the drive, the weather and the fact that a lot of my friends won't make that trip each year seems to indicate that this idea has merit.

If you had Dallas, Live Oak (SA), Waco, and Houston (possibly even Lubbock if a 5-year rotation was possible), it seems to me that you'd be offering our vast player base the chance to compete regularly in what is supposed to be the best state championship in the contiguous 48.

Warning, a somewhat angry, sarcastic post follows...

Logistics:
To run an event capable of comfortably holding 180+ you need 3 courses within close proximity. As far as I know, that eliminates all but Houston, Live Oak/UC, and maybe Waco (never been to Woodway). Okay, that's three locations, and ignoring the Metroplex. Tyler might even be placed ahead of DFW if they could place another 18 in Lindsey Park, to stir the pot even more.

Legality:
Rasch is correct about the way to really do this. HFDS owns the name to States and someone tied to HFDS has ever since the beginning. Call it tradition (good or bad), but the TSDGC name is HFDS'. Take that up with the government.

THE State Championship:
It doesn't need qualifiers or playoffs or anything. It is open to anyone (usual disclaimers apply--memberships, good standing, etc.) who wants to enter. That is the fairest way to allow players a chance to compete for the title. Technically, it should only allow Texans to play. Is Atwood arguing to limit the field to Texans only too? It sounds like he is more concerned with the actual name (review Legality). How long are people going to talk about this one?

Travel:
The drive and the draw: I guess folks who have to drive 3-4 hours to Live Oak, Dallas, or places elsewhere should be inconvienced in order to attend a major event in Texas. Again I think someone is hung up on the name (and the TD who has taken it on). How many events have I played in DFW this year? Zero. How many do I plan on attending up there through December 2006? Zero. Why? $2.50 per gallon. As that number increases, my travel (and others', I imagine) will be reduced considerably.

Weather:
You know, I don't think I'm going back to Live Oak, or Corpus ever again because it's too **** hot in those locations. Or Waco either, because it rains there too.

::Rant On::
Not sure what the hell crawled up your [I'm a potty-mouth!] Mark, but you are showing you have personal issues with one person in Houston. Take it off the board. Did your journalism experience teach you to make accusations and start crap without accurate source material?
::Rant Off::

Despite how much I like Waco and the popularity of Cedar Hill, Only Houston and Live Oak have three courses in close proximity that I would consider suitable for a State Championship.

Now for the good part, No one determines who runs a State Championship. All you have to do is be the first to use the name, and never stop running it. Houston has the name and have done a tremendous job running a quality event for many years. If they ever decide to stop running it, then it might go into a roatation, but that simple move is very difficult logistically. Houston wants to keep the tournament so I don't have to worry about it.

Many things are changing, and States should get a good weekend next year. There will be quite a shakeup for Texas from the PDGA scheduling of A-Tiers and above. A lot of events will be jostled a bit. Keep your eyes open.

just to make a point.... if you include waco on the strength of woodway (which is a decent course) then DFW is back in. 2 at cedar hill and the Vet give you three within 25 minutes of each other (about the same as waco)

but States should still stay in houston no matter what. every year i look forward to coming ALL THE WAY (ohmigosh!) from Arlington. ANY golfer from north texas who doesnt make the trip cuz "its too far" is missing out on an absolutely awesome event on three of the best courses in the state (if not the sport)

just to make a point.... if you include waco on the strength of woodway (which is a decent course) then DFW is back in. 2 at cedar hill and the Vet give you three within 25 minutes of each other (about the same as waco)

but States should still stay in houston no matter what. every year i look forward to coming ALL THE WAY (ohmigosh!) from Arlington. ANY golfer from north texas who doesnt make the trip cuz "its too far" is missing out on an absolutely awesome event on three of the best courses in the state (if not the sport)



Thanks Pat on both points. Wasn't too sure about Cedar Hill's proximity to the Vet or other courses.

Tony, I'm disappointed in you. The fact that I have issues with Gimp, has nothing to do with the validity of a State Championship idea that moves around the state. Why is that so hard to fathom?

I'm asking and making a valid argument. Why does it have to be about me? It isn't.

Get off that.

Your issues do factor in on this, based on the proximity to the diatribe you posted and this post. You've brought the skewed criticism on yourself. Sleep in the bed...

And while I'm sleeping in the bed, you're busy missing my point because I peed in your wheaties.

C'mon, you're brighter than that.

Despite how much I like Waco and the popularity of Cedar Hill, Only Houston and Live Oak have three courses in close proximity that I would consider suitable for a State Championship.



Gary,

As I have stated to you in the past, the best three courses in a close proximity in TX is Circle R2 in San Saba. Houston's are good with the limited terrain differences. I still need to get to LO/UC one of these days, but I can't imagine there being as much variety of DG challenge as SS. The only problem is SS is in BFE and no telling how much longer any courses will be out there.

Austin/RR/Georgetown/Red Rock/Wimberly have 7 great courses within 45 minutes of downtown Austin. Hell, that's enough for a World's Championship. But I digress and add no relavent input to this TxSC discussion :o

All I can say is reading all this retoric with my first cup of coffee............IS SO FUNNY!

Such passion and opinions. Now, translate that into your darn golf game guys.

Matt, seems like you're the only one here who is doing just that. Mr. Atwood, I think you better give it a BIG try.

We're just so luck to live in a state where we have such big decisions as where we're going to play each and every weekend.

Heck, I'm with PD. Let's all go to San Saba! :D

It's just a name. That's all.

Anyway, we don't even really need three courses at the tournament named Texas States, but it is nice to have. If a non-team tournament with a different name gets so big that three courses are actually necessary, then we will have a real good problem on our hands.

Sorry Ray, I have heard great things about those courses, but I have never played them. And Waterloo has shown that they have the ability to get behind something and make sure it happens. So I guess you can add Austin to the list.

Come to think of it, we already have a wandering A-Tier at the end of the season...

Mark,

I will attempt to answer your question(s) without rancor or emotion. Many of the points have been answered earlier.

A. HFDS presently owns the name "Texas State Disc Golf Championships". We built this name and its prestige through a lot of hard work over the last 10 years, which includes support of many regional and state DG clubs and the participation of players from many locales, and we are not relinquishing this name. We do not own a state championship, just the name. There are other related names that can be used and convey the purpose you intend.

B. The idea of holding a rotating state championship is still valid, and I believe, being pursued by our PDGA State Coordinator. There are a number of concepts to this culmination event being discussed. Houston and HFDS is not opposed to this concept at all, and are more than willing to participate in this rotational concept. It will just not be called "Texas State Disc Golf Championships", for reasons explained many times in this and other posts.

Opinion: The challenge of holding a rotating A tier event will be formidable. Organization, fund raising, etc., courses, etc. are just a few of the issues. Our challenge will be to organize the diverse personalities of key event TDs and key clubs into a working organization that will take on this challenge. Getting people and organizations to agree on a format and structure and location will be a great challenge. This is not something for Gary alone IMO.

I hope this clarifies your question(s).

Dave "Nez" Nesbitt

OK, I really wasn't going to jump in on this but....

Out of curiosity, how many of the NT events rotate to different places each year? I know I"m not the most informed about every NT event but the only one that I can think of is Worlds. I think that is part of what makes NT events work.

Trying to move an A-tier NT event each year would I think cause sponsorship problems. If we could get a base of sponsors to kick in each year (which I believe HFDS is working on) then holding it in the same place would help that. I don't think Gallery furnature would sponsor an event held in west TX.

Tom Bass park is a perfect place to hold such a large event. If we moved it around to places with few courses then the event would have to be split to seperate AM and Pro weekend (al la Waco Charity) and I don't think anyone wants to see that. Having 3 championship calibur courses (4 if they let us set up the lakeside course) in the same park is a logistical dream and allows larger numbers of participants. Having the parks department on our side also helps out a lot (thank you Bassmaster!)

I'm sure there are other things going through my mind but I have probably gone on long enough.

The Texas State championship (which would name state champions in each division) sould work like this (in my opinion)

Split Texas into 4 or 5 regions.

Have qualifiers in each reagion, say two in each.

These qualifiers would be current B-tier tournaments.

To be a qualifier, the B-tier would donate, say $2 per player to the finals.

As for the final, it would rotate to each region each year. (I have a feeling West Texas would be left out)

As for the State Championships, limitied field. Maybe even 90 players. You could even use different courses for each round and move HQ.

You take the top guys as far as points or finishes, I sure gary could come up with something.

Those guys get first crack at registration, then a waiting list for those who did not qualify.

But then this is just an idea. Prolly never happen.

West Texas left out?

Sure, maybe now there doesn't seem to be any reason for the Sub-Panhandle part of this state to want to make an effort to travel a long way to play in their State Championship. But things are on the upswing here. In the future (near future), there will be plenty of courses here in Amarillo alone, not to mention other courses in towns like Hereford, Pampa, Canyon, and other smaller towns. And I don't mean little pitch & putt type courses. The tournament scene is improving here as well, with our club gaining experience in making events enjoyable and lucrative.

If we are going to a rotating State Championship, no area should automatically be denied just because of geographical location. I understand what the requirements are for this type of event, and I realize we (Top of Texas Area) are not there yet. But there needs to be some kind of flexibility for any area to be able to hold this event once they show they can meet the basic requirements.

Don't write us off just because you've never been here, or don't care to make the effort to get here. I've traveled all over this state just to throw discs at chains, as well as have other players in this area.

sounds like a plan to me, but if all else fails just let houston keep their TX States title since there is only a couple of tournaments their anyhow. Lets have states at Wimberley and Dripping Springs one round on each course.

will you all PLEASE understand that the Texas State Disc Golf Championships is a HOUSTON event and it will so remain!

if you wish to talk about some sort of rotating event for which you must pre-qualify, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then please start a thread for that purpose.

LONG LIVE TEXAS STATES!

will you all PLEASE understand that the Texas State Disc Golf Championships is a HOUSTON event and it will so remain!

if you wish to talk about some sort of rotating event for which you must pre-qualify, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then please start a thread for that purpose



Pat, it's only Houston's event as long as players turn out to support it. And Houston needs more than the local Houston player base to support it. An A-tier or B-tier event with only 40-50 local players turning out won't be an A-tier or B-tier for long.

Read my next post as to why I believe this is the road that Houston is heading for.

I�d like to see Texas States either become a traveling tournament or moved to a more centrally located city (Austin � SA � Waco). But I also understand (and support) HFDS�s desire to keep their tournament in their city.

However, some things to consider � or at least some things I�ve been considering concerning this topic:

Seems like there is an unchallenged assertion that this tournament can only be hosted somewhere with 3 championship-caliber courses that are in close proximity to each other.

My challenge is to the need for 3 courses, rather than 2.

Looking at the numbers from the last 4 years, only 2003 had enough players to warrant or need 3 courses (2004 could have been hosted on two 18-hole courses with one ghost card on each course, or a few cards of 5).

I suspect the argument for 3 courses is because we want to grow this tournament to a size and a prestige that would necessitate 3 or more courses. There might be some of you out there that think that Texas States can be promoted and grown to 200+ players.

Unfortunately, with the skyrocketing cost of gas, I am predicting that the number of players willing to travel x number of miles for a tournament is going to be greatly reduced this year from years past.

I have already decided that I will limit my traveling tournament play next year to courses within a 100-mile radius of Austin (Waco, Red Rock, Wimberley, Live Oak, Gonzalez, etc.).

I traveled to a 1-day C-tier two weeks ago in Huntsville --- between the gas, tournament entry fee, Gatorade, and lunch, this one-day event cost me $118.00 to play MA2. If it had been a two-day event, throw another $75 on top of that for a hotel.

When I could travel to-and-from most tournaments for under $30 in gas, it wasn�t so bad. But now that most tournaments will cost me $50+ in gas, I�m going to have to start playing fewer tournaments.

Anyway, I think that Houston can expect to draw many fewer players from Austin, Dallas, SA, CC, and Waco than in years past. I think it might be time to realistically scale down expectations of requiring 3 courses.

Let just play Disc Golf and if a rotating event is that important just call it TEXAS STATE FINALS or something along those lines :D

exactly, chinger.

rooster, those are all good ideas. but its not gonna happen with TSDGC.

if you guys want to have the kind of system you are talking about, then do it! its probably a good idea and will be well received. the only thing you'll need to do is come up with a different name. see the post above this one for an idea.

I said i have a feeling, not that "I" would not include it.

Ok after some more thought.

You have North Texas - DFW area
South East Texas - from the coast Nac/Huntsville
Central Texas - Temple, Round Rock, Austin
West Texas - Abiline to Big Springs, I would through in Abiline and Witchita Falls as well as San Saba in that mix.

the question is should there Be a South Texas? Corpus, Victoria, Live Oak and universal City. Or do you throw them in with Austin.

Where do you put Waco, North Texas or Central Texas.

Tyler goes with North Texas, same with Athens.

Now, pick two B-tier tournament that would become qualifiers.

West Texas - there are only two B-tier as it is.
North Texas - Carrollton Open, then ??? (tyler, Athens, a new tournament?) all the other tournament in the DFW are A-tier or 1 day tournaments. (I don't think C-tier tournament should be included)

Central Texas - Outlaws, COTO????

South East Texas- too many to chose from that could easly be B-tier all the way.

South Texas??? LOSO, Costal Clash? Others are starting up like Gonzolas.

I just think the qualifiers need to be B-tier, not C-tier, non PDGA or A/NT events.

90 players split something like this

20 pro
15 Master
5 GrandMasters
20 Adv
15 Am
5 Pro women
5 Adv
5 Rec Women

these spots would be reserved for the top players in all the qualifiers from say 2006, the "State Championship" would be held early in 2007. Or you could start the qualifiers mid 2006 and end in 2007 then have the tournament in the summer/Fall of 2007.

Like I said before, these are just ideas.

OK. Not trying to get personal, just trying to make sure nobody forgets Amarillo when we start deciding the fate of TEXAS DISC GOLF. Even though we are way, way out in the outfield, we are still part of the team!

Corpus had I think Five players last year go to Texas States. I would expect we will have more this year gas prices be dam<d>ned.

WOW!

20 feet... but you missed the urinal, that's gonna cost you some points!

Not to drift or anything but at the moment I think the more important issue is the one raised by Rooster. As much as I like to think the draw of Texas States in Houston matters, with gas approaching $3.00 a gallon no one is going to be traveling anywhere...

...unless it's in a Toyota Prius!

Or I guess with 40 others in a bus. I see more and more people sharing vehicles and hotel space. That's what I'm doing for the rest of the year and then some.

Sharing hotels ?

With the rising price of gas, hotels and entry fees are trivial expenses. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

With the rising price of gas, hotels and entry fees are trivial expenses



It now costs more to drive to and from to Houston than it does to fly. :confused:

which SUXS by the way. time to car pool to all tournies

will you all PLEASE understand that the Texas State Disc Golf Championships is a HOUSTON event and it will so remain!

if you wish to talk about some sort of rotating event for which you must pre-qualify, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then please start a thread for that purpose



Pat, it's only Houston's event as long as players turn out to support it. And Houston needs more than the local Houston player base to support it. An A-tier or B-tier event with only 40-50 local players turning out won't be an A-tier or B-tier for long.

Read my next post as to why I believe this is the road that Houston is heading for.



this does not float with me, as a houstonian that does not play the event, I know that there is not a large local base playing....yet the fields are large.

When is this tourney? If nobody from Texas is going to go play it, maybe I'll come in. :)

You could stay at my place. :D

lmao!! :D

When is this tourney? If nobody from Texas is going to go play it, maybe I'll come in. :)

good idea rhett - that way you would have a chance! :D

You could stay at my place. :D

wow, talk about a TROJAN horse kind of offer :D:eek: :D

You could stay at my place. :D

wow, I like little boys :D:eek: :D




Nuff said

if you wish to talk about some sort of rotating event for which you must pre-qualify, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then please start a thread for that purpose.

LONG LIVE TEXAS STATES!



Well said. Why everyone just assumes they have a "right" to take that tourney name from Houston is beyond me.

Rooster brought up a good point with the lower attendance. I think part of the problem with attendance is the A tiers in Tulsa and DFW the 2 weeks after (Tulsa being 2 hours closer than Houston) and the TX10 final right after that. That is a choice of 4 A tier events in one month all within a few hours. At best people will probably play 2 of the 4. Attendance is hurt either way possibly at all. Maybe if we could spread out these events a bit???

I think someone had mentioned the possibility of moving TSDGC to the spring in a different thread. This would probably be ideal. If the NT tour had a stop in Houston on the way from FL to the Memorial we might get a few more of those traveling players.

aw come on matt, my post was funny, you gotta admit!

aw come on matt, my post was funny, you gotta admit!



Yeah I think it is funny that you like little boys. :D

hmmm... kinda worrisome copming from someone who brags about being a Kid in his signature :D

anyway, try to get Rhett to come to states. he stayed close to me in Flagstaff... but if he should dare come to a real Texas course i would likely crush him by 10-15 strokes. and that would be FUN FUN FUN! :D

anyway, try to get Rhett to come to states. he stayed close to me in Flagstaff... but if he should dare come to a real Texas course i would likely crush him by 10-15 strokes. and that would be FUN FUN FUN! :D


There were a couple of Tucson guys who were saying that last Friday...




(Not really, but it sounded funny. :) )