This is amazing. I discovered a disc golf course in Oquaga Creek State Park near Binghamton, NY that's been there for almost 30 years. It has chains. It has fairways and tee pads. The only thing it doesn't have is disc golfers, because no disc golfer that I asked has ever heard of it. Funny, it's been there since the 1970's.

This only goes to show how dead the whole disc golf scene is in upstate NY. This course was installed 30 years ago and nobody plays it. Nobody even knows about it. I asked people in the park, they say they never saw anybody play it. The pins are standing there rusting away and catching more dead leaves than frisbees.

Maybe the Lung can go check it out, it's not too far from Pennsylvania.

upstate NY is a pretty good haul from even northern PA.

thats crazy bout the course tho!

30yrs old?? Does it have a dedication sign or something...Even some of the oldest courses were late 70's...

La Mirada in CA was 1978, Will Rogers OKC 1979...I don't know a whole lot on how old they go..

maybe it was an old object course originally or something..I will be curious to see what you find out.

The NY State Parks system put in a lot of disc golf courses in 1977, they were all object courses and people threw frisbees at wooden poles that look like short telephone poles painted white. They were a world of their own and were totally separate from the whole Ed Headrick world of PDGA. The two groups knew nothing about each other as far as I know. I know the NY State park system is a world of its own, just a bureaurocracy of grounds keepers who do what they want, and they probably know nothing about real disc golf.

They all were originally wooden pole courses in the 70's. The one in Green Lakes State Park was a pole course for 20 years and they were replaced with chains in the late 1990's by a small group of avid disc golfers who bought the pins and had to talk the park into replacing the wooden poles. The one in Gilbert Lakes State Park still has the original wooden poles. Nobody ever plays it. I don't know when the poles were replaced with chains in Oquaga Creek but it was a long long time ago according to people I met. There are lots more ancient disc golf courses hidden insode the NY State Parks system, they are all from the late 70's. There are hundreds of small parks and you don't know what you will find there. Joe Davis State Park in Buffalo has chains now, I don't know when. Some of the courses have been pulled, like one in Delaware Park in Buffalo that had chains already by 1978 but it's long gone.

If you go here http://nysparks.state.ny.us/parks/ you will see a search list of disc golf courses in NY State parks and they only list 4 of them, so even the parks dept doesn't know about the one in Oquaga Creek!!

Sandalman, Binghamton NY is 5 miles from Pennsylvania.

Sandalman, Binghamton NY is 5 miles from Pennsylvania.




Binghamton NY is hardly upstate NY . You implied that the course was in upstate NY.

You are confused. People who actually live up here have different terms for different parts of the state like the southern tier, hudson valley, central NY, finger lakes, north country, etc., but there is no actual region of NY called "upstate," it's just a NYC term that means anything north of metro NYC area, or anywhere north of where you happen to be at the time.

and for the rest of the world, upstate NY means like buffalo

that's Western NY.

There are people in New York City who consider even White Plains "upstate New York" :D

Then there are people who consider New York, simpy, "up there." All of it.

There is a sign on the Willis Avenue Bridge going into the Bronx from Manhattan that says, "Major Degan, Upstate NY"
which means northern Bronx and Yonkers is "upstate."

POV of NY Down Stater.....upstate is anything North of the Five Boroughs....Westchester is just as upstate as Buffalo, even when we play FDR or Warwick we consider it a drive to the country.....Yonkers and Bronx are part of the Boroughs...that being said we need more courses downstate.

so whats corning and elmira?

upstate

"Upstate" is a corollary of "uptown." Everybody knows uptown means from where you are. If you are on Wall Street then "uptown" can be Greenwich Village, but if you are in Central Park then Greenwich Village is "downtown."

Upstate is EXACTLY the same, if you are in Albany then Poughkeepsie is downstate but if you are in Newburgh (and still alive) then Poughkeepsie is upstate.

But there is no actual place called Upstate NY. It just means "north of here."

yes youre right, but i have never heard anyone ever claim corning or elmira are in "upstate NY"

that's Western NY.



Au contraire - I was born in Utica, as were my parents and theirs back a few generations(well Clinton and New York Mills, also). We have always referred to the Oneida/Utica/Rome area as being "upstate".

I thought we aready explained, Upstate NY means anything north of NYC. You must try to understand.

You are confused.



OOOOOhh, so I am the one that's confused. You refer to a geograghical spot that's 5 miles from a state's southern border( with 96% of it's territory north of it's location) as being upstate and I'm the one who's confused?
Yeah okay, Morgan/Anne/frisbee, whatever.

Another kid from the back of the class who can't learn.

Binhhamton is 200 miles from New York City. It's. NORTH of NYC. Therefore it's UPFFFFFFFINGSTATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

what about corning and elmira?

UUUUUUPPPPPPPFFFFFUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKIKIIIIIIINNNNNGGG GGG

STATE!!!!!

My 2 cents...when I was living in Rochester, NY people in Rochester and Buffalo areas referred to themselves as being from Western NY. I don't think anyone else in NY ever refers to it that way. And like some other people have said everything north of you is upstate and everything south of you is downstate. That is why a town in Western NY that is 5 miles from Pennsylvania can be upstate to someon from NYC. Anything in Western NY is also north of NYC.

Thank you. The voice of reason.

New Yorkers :confused:.......their logic is almost as bad as their driving,.......... and in Morgan's case.......if his driving was anywhere near as bad as his logic he would've had his license not only revoked but burned, then shredded years ago.

Ok let me explain, try to learn it. It really isn't that hard.

New York consists of 4 parts:

1. New York City
2. Long Island
3. Upstate
4. Miami Beach

Uh....Miss Hyzer......Miss Hyzer (raises hand emphaticly)

Uh, Miss Hyzer, your last lesson said NY consists of only two parts: NYC and Upstate and if you were in the state of New York you were either in NYC or you were in upstate NY.

Wrong, and put your hand down before everybody dies of asphixiation from your arm pit stench. Long Island is definitely NOT upstate. It's not downstate. It's Long Island.

And let me say one more thing. I live in the northern part of NY. Nobody ever refers to this part of NY as "Upstate NY." All of upstate NY is Upstate NY, not just the upstate part. Get the logic?

If any part of NY actually had that designation, it would have to be here, using logic, because this is the northern part. Right? Wrong. Nobody around here ever ever ever calls this the true and real "Upstate NY." It's called the North Country. So if you think Upstate NY has to be the part up here, using logic, you are wrong. It's called "The North Country" up here, anything north of Saratoga is called the North Country, by everybody. Except people from Lancaster Pa who think they have more logic.

I think I'm going to see the dean tommorrow. I'm dropping this class. I think the teacher's on drugs.

i can understand all of that is the map is hanging on the wall. but what if it is laying flat on the table? is it still called "upstate"?

also, how come canada sits idly by when you call most of NY the "north country"? i hope you all dont get them canucks pizzed off at the rest of the US.

Your dean lives in Binghamton, an easy drive from Lancaster.

As you leave Pennsyltucky you will see this sign:

http://www.hoyhoy.com/upstate.gif

Ok let me explain, try to learn it. It really isn't that hard.

New York consists of 4 parts:

1. New York City
2. Long Island
3. Upstate
4. Miami Beach


Having grown up in Florida, I would agree with #4.

Some of the courses have been pulled, like one in Delaware Park in Buffalo that had chains already by 1978 but it's long gone.



Not possible -- I grew up in Buffalo and for my senior year went to high school directly across from Delaware Park. I was playing object golf there in '78-79 with midnight flyers and I can assure you we didn't know about pole holes - we used electrical tape on trees (a friend did go to Rochester to play in a tournament but I'm pretty sure they were shooting into boxes on the ground).

Oh, and on the geography issue. It alsways seemed like everyone in NYC referred to anything north of Manhattan as "upstate" which always grated at those of us who lived in the Buffalo/Rochester area so we liked to refer to where we lived as "western NY". But if you have ever been to Buffao you'd understand why we all have a chip on our shoulder. :o

My information comes from a guy named Greg Kurtz, says he played in tournaments in Delaware park in the late 70's. I'll ask him again, in case I got the story wrong.

I'll vouch for Morgan on this topic. (Ouch).

Logically, it's difficult for anyone to argue that Warwick could be considered "upstate", when it touches the NJ border, and is approx a 7-hour drive from Buffalo and a 5-hour drive from the Canadian border north of Plattsburgh, NY.

However, if you ask a New-Yorker (5 boroughs and LI) they'll tell you Warwick is upstate. The Orange county area is also known as the Mid-Hudson or Hudson Valley region.

Definitely very confusing and illogical....

I guess it shouldn't amaze me how we all can argue over the definition of upstate New York, but it does. :DMorgan has a way of getting people to do that.

Let's get back to the original topic; what is this 'new' course like? Open? Wooded? Hilly? Flat? Worth a road trip? And if it's really 30 years old, wouldn't that make it the oldest in the U.S.?

My information comes from a guy named Greg Kurtz, says he played in tournaments in Delaware park in the late 70's. I'll ask him again, in case I got the story wrong.



Greg was one of the guys I used to play with...Say hey to him for me!

Ok mental note Ross Hammond says hi to Greg. You probably havent seen him since age 20's, he's a GM now! Age 50!

There's a video of Greg talking about disc golf here:

http://www.capitalnews9.com/content/sports/default.asp?ArID=44939

click down to where it says play video, it's really cool

Amazing! Ask him if he is stil in touch with any of the old Ultimate crowd (Tommy K., Kevin Mahoney, Mike Jackman, Jimbo, Jay, etc.). I see Kevin once in a while when I go back home.

Ok let me explain, try to learn it. It really isn't that hard.

New York consists of 4 parts:

1. New York City
2. Long Island
3. Upstate
4. Miami Beach



what about the jersey shores !!

http://www.hoyhoy.com/oquaga.jpg
http://www.hoyhoy.com/oquaga2.jpg

This tiny primitive little course is only of interest to disc golf historians, to see what some people thought disc golf was in 1977. The holes are tight and short, and boring. It's good for little kids to play only. But it's a step back in time. Two red posts for the tee pads, 5 foot yellow pole for the pins. Very tight fairways.

http://www.hoyhoy.com/oquag29.jpg
http://www.hoyhoy.com/oquag30.jpg

also, how come canada sits idly by when you call most of NY the "north country"?i hope you all dont get them canucks pizzed off at the rest of the US.

Us Canucks don't give a rat's * 'cuz Canada ain't the North Country, it's the Great White North (http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/9134/), ya hoser, so take off, eh? :p :p :p

please note the "UNPLAYABLE LIE" language!!!

Yeah, and they use the old 6 foot rule!

Well now it's listed in the course directory thanks to me.

In your very first post on this thread, you say:


It has chains.



But you listed it in the directory as object targets. Which is it?

EDIT: So then why did you orginally say it had chains? WTF?

http://www.hoyhoy.com/oquag30.jpg