Discraft's new Z-Tracker is probably one of the easiest golf drivers to throw for players of all levels. Probably compares to a faster XL, or a faster longer 1st run Buzzz. Slight hyzer release yields an incredible straight, long drive. Could it be easier to throw than the new X-Avenger? Hard to believe, but i think so.

Limited edition Z-Trackers are available at http://www.sportdiscs.com/index.html

Nice sales pitch. ;)

Ah......the Big DR just reminded me of something. The old school CE TL throwers might really like the Z-Tracker. :p

Faster than a Z-XL? But is it slower than a talon, I have heard how straight it is, yet to try one, so curious as to the exact speed?

i wouldnt say slower than a talon. its pretty fast for its stability. not quite flick-like, but well nothing is. i found it a bit less stable than the talon, so for me it is a farther flieri also found it to be more forgiving when thrown a bit nose up. it still penetrated the wind and got down the fairway.

the other key characteristic i found is that it has very nice glide for a stable disc. while it is more stable, the glide pattern is much like the avenger, that is once it makes its turn it will still cover a good distance in the hyzer part of its flight. because of that, throwing into a headwind with a bit of an annie will maximize the flight into some very nice distance.

i really think discraft has unlocked some secrets to how to make discs glide far. with the Glide, Avenger and now the Tracker they are shortening fairways worldwide.

When you guys are talking about it being more stable do you mean straighter, or more overstable?

I am trying to get a grasp on what this disc is. Maybe like a Teebird?

by stable i mean its gonna hyzer. depending on a lot of things (like wind) that could come sooner or later.. but its gonna hyzer. unfortunately i cannot compare it to the teebird cuz i have never thrown one.

I would say its like a Teebird. I throw it where I would throw my 1st Run Z BUZZZ but I need a little bit more distance :D

Okay, I just got confused because some people say more stable when they mean not going to turn or fade, and some people say more stable when they mean it will fade hard. I am of the former line of thought. I would say a Firebird is more stable than a Monster for instance. Or a Crush is more stable than a Flick.

I have thrown a 1st Run Buzzz, so that is probably a pretty apt comparison for me.

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Did what I just write up there make sense?


:confused:

Just kidding, I got it!

I would say its like a Teebird. I throw it where I would throw my 1st Run Z BUZZZ but I need a little bit more distance :D



So its a 1st Run Buzzz at low ceilings?

forget the z-buzzz comparisons. he's insane. the tracker is a sharp edged driver not a blunt midrange.

forget the z-buzzz comparisons. he's insane. the tracker is a sharp edged driver not a blunt midrange.



Im just telling you what I throw the Tracker for and its shots where I would need my 1st Run BUZZZ to fly about 30 ft further :D

you are comparing it as saying it is as straight as a 1st run Buzzzz then...a faster TBird?

When you guys are talking about it being more stable do you mean straighter, or more overstable?

I am trying to get a grasp on what this disc is. Maybe like a Teebird?


BINGO :D

Like i said earlier.....The old school TL throwers are going to love this mold.

Like i said earlier.....The old school TL throwers are going to love this mold.



Well slap me silly and call me a donkey! I might have to give this ole disc a throw. Even though I am not old school, I think I throw more like old school than these new fangled fast drivers.

This stable/ overstable thing is starting to sound like an abbott and costello routine. :D
Stable is straight and over stable means it cuts hard opposite the spin.
The more stable a disc is the STRAIGHTER it is.
REALLY Stable = Really straight
SUPER stable = Super straight
Man that things is stable = Man that things is straight.

I wonder why this is so hard to figure out.

One of the reason is, ALL discs used to be understable.
when discs finally evolved to handle speeds with out flippping over the term Stable was used, meaning they would turnover.
When discs starting falling hard left like the Whippet and Viper even with a lot of snap and speed we started using the term overstable ( well most peeople did).
:o

Like i said earlier.....The old school TL throwers are going to love this mold.



So what you are saying is, that Discraft used a Leopard bottom like Innova did with the Teebird? :D

How does the Tracker differ from the Wildcat? SunKing Discs lists the Tracker and the Wildcat with the exact same ratings for Speed, Glide, Turn, and Fade. Which would be more forgiving for a Rookie?

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Alright, my curiousity got the better of me, and in a moment of insane tiredness, I went and ordered a few Z-Trackers. We shall see soon how these bad boys work out!

i've thrown mine three times. once to try it out and twice in rounds. it's got two birdies to its credit. one on a 360' or so, put me 30' to the right of the pin (and got me in a position to putt for the win on the last hole of the tourney!) and the other on a 240' that requires a hyzer drop to the pin.

If you like TL's you will like the Tracker. It is a fine disc.

Doc E,

I think the Z-Tracker is more controllable, and more forgiving than the Z-Wildcat. The older i get the more i like discs that i can get distance out of without throwing so darn hard. A+ disc.

MyHero, Clayton said he tried it and that I would really like it for a roller. I got one on the way. Can't wait to put this think about 7' on hole 1. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Are they only availible in red?

Red's a nice color as long as it never lands into a green background .. . . .


Nevermind -- I figured it out, yest they're only availible in red.

Am I the only one that loves the old bright yellow Z plastic. You have to try to lose a disc that's made out of that color -- it's the reason they make tennis balls neon yellow. Raise your hand if you're old enough to remember when tennis balls were white . . .. .

DISC-CRAP! :cool:

DISC-CRAP! :cool:



Oh thats original!!!

When are people going to figure out that the plastic in your hand is not what matters, its how you throw it :D

did you notice he's from OK? therefore you can safely assume he hasa turd for a brain. :D

It sure was nice of him to roll off his sister long enough to post. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

OUCH! nice one danny! (you must know the guy! :D)

I threw the Z-tracker today in a variety of situations at my local. It's a versatile disc that will earn a spot in my bag. I find it to fit nicely between the Z-Talons and Z-XLs. Great disc.

Long live the Z-TLracker! :D

Yeah Danny,
He's a college Kid...
You know how they are :o
:D:D:D
D.P.

:o

If you like TL's you will like the Tracker. It is a fine disc.



I hear the Tracker , Flies like a TL. I have not thrown one , but this guy I know , claims they are Fast.

He says , you throw them with a touch of Hyzer and they come up Flat and Ride !!!!! Does sound alot like a TL :o

If you like TL's you will like the Tracker. It is a fine disc.



Long live the Z-TLracker!

Tracker = TL
Z-Avenger = 11x Teebird (the overstable ones)

2 great discs. I like them.

How much more stable is a Z- Avenger than a Champion Orc ? I heard some things.

One of the locals who throws orcs on almost every hole is thinking of picking one up, since it's just a touch more overstable. The low speed is about the same, but the high speed is noticable

It is definetly more overstable than an Orc. The Z-Avenger is similar to my beat up Z-Predator.

I'm glad I've given this disc a chance. It's going to be a permanent addition to my bag. Fast enough to get some serious distance but extremely easy to control. A rare combination.

I just got mine today in the mail. They feel very similar to my CFR TLs....I can't wait to throw it at the field!!!!

For me, the Z-Tracker was slightly more overstable than my CFR TL, but only very slightly. It took me awhile to decide that. In fact, they may not have any stability differences, but it sure seemed more overstable than my CFR TL.

Profile-wise, I couldn't tell much difference between the Z Tracker and the CFR TL. The TL I have is slightly more domey, but it is not significant.

The Tracker held hyzer and annhyzer lines as equally well as the TL.

The Tracker was also longer than my CFR TL. The Tracker seemed to get to the glide part of the flight quicker and seemed to stay in it for longer. It wasn't much longer. For instance, it seemed to go about 20 feet further than the TL on annhyser S shots.

I am not sure the Z-Tracker will be in my bag right away. It is too similar to my CFR TL. I am used to the TL, but I think I will keep practicing with the Tracker to see how it goes. It may someday replace that TL. The fact that I am even thinking of replacing a TL means Discraft did a good job with this mold. I thought for sure I would die with a TL in my hand. They are just too similar and I see no advantage to switching over right now.

Now, when I see an Elite X Tracker....

They are just too similar and I see no advantage to switching over right now.




Paying $13 instead of $25?

I can't wait to get a hold of one of these, Always wanted a TL but didn't want to pay 2x more for it.

Trackers are $20 at Sun King.

How much are CFR TL's?

Paying $13 instead of $25?

I can't wait to get a hold of one of these, Always wanted a TL but didn't want to pay 2x more for it.



To clarify: the Tracker is a great disc. I don't feel as comfortable with the Tracker as I do with my CFR TL. The CFR TL and Tracker are very similar in my opinion.

Besides, where are you seeing $13 Trackers? I would love to know. I paid $20 each on mine, plus shipping was actually kind of spendy. If I saw $13 Trackers I just might switch over. The TL I am using right now came in the players pack for the Disc Golf Marathon last year. I think the players pack was around $25 and I got a hat, a mini, some stickers, the TL...So, I would say unless the $13 Tracker is real, the CFR TL and Tracker are pretty comparable in price. Pick whichever one you can get your hands on and you will not be dissapointed.

I have a mint CFR TL if anyone wants it... 174 $20 including shipping...

btw, i got my Trackers for $12 each :D

Where are you guys getting these Trackers so cheap???

im getting 2 this evening for 26 from the local disc guy.

find guys sponsored by discraft

I have 7 1st Runs and Im not selling any of them. All the guys I have talked to on the Discraft team are putting them in their bags, not up for sale :D

Is anyone throwing this for distance?

I got mine today and it is very similar to a TL. I need some more time with it but it wasn't a very long disc for me. Seemed like a good 3 wood though.

To be continued... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

This thread died. Is anyone using this disc or is it just overkill for other Discraft discs?

I have been trying to decide whether or not I need the new Z-Tracker in my bag. I currently throw Z-Wildcat (roller, anhyzer, and control drives), Z-Crushes (distance), and Z-Predators (hyzers, wind, and distance) for my drivers. I haven't had much practice with it yet but it seems to be a stable control driver. A little more overstable than my Z-Wildcat but I would could probably get away with using only the Wildcat for control drives.

I tested one that i got at worlds and it flew OVERSTABLE I mean more overatble than my spirits! So I let Ian Hovey throw in at Outlaws and he also said it was really overstable like a firebird. I pulled out another one and it flew the same. So I guees it isn't as straight as I have been told. :confused:

i want more! if anyone has some they wanna ditch, PM me.

They are 1st runs so I am keeping them

You say they are overstable.
I say they are straight.
And Clayton says they are rollers.

LMAO! :D

Yeah but i throw spirits as drivers and these things are beefy.

I have a limited edition glow Z Tracker from AM nationals (USADGC stamp). are they worth very much? i was going to keep it as a wall disc, but might be willing to trade it...

Yeah but i throw spirits as drivers and these things are beefy.



I just think it is funny. I did see Clayton roll a Spirit about 600' one time. :p

MY 1st run Z-Trackers fly somewhere between a Champ Teebird and a CFR TL stability wise. I can't imagine saying they are overstable. They are dead on stable.

sounds like a ten X TB

a 10x TB would be understable wouldn't it?
the 11x I've foudn to be the most stable.. the 10x Most people use for rollers that I know.

-Scott Lewis

definitions of stable vary by region i am starting to believe

Dude I threw monsters when i was throwing Innova as my drivers and these are just as overstable. I was throwing it with a control grip and when I use a Power it is still overstable. I'm not a weenie arm if that's what you think. :D:D

Matt, it requires a little bit of muscle and snap, try the gym or steroids. :D:D

LMAO!

Maybe I just had a weird one but this thing was just OVERSTABLE.

Maybe I just had a weird one but this thing was just OVERSTABLE. the one i had was like a predator

need to post one more time, you forgot the . at the end.

OK

Maybe I just had a weird one but this thing was just OVERSTABLE. the one I had was like a predator.........

Did you throw it at worlds or in Texas???

When I got back to TX. The Z-tsunami was nice though

You say they are overstable.
I say they are straight.
And Clayton says they are rollers.

LMAO! :D




First off, Clayton threw it into a 30+mph headwind on 14 at the Vet. Nothing flies stable when that boy throw as hard as he can into a 30+er.

Secondly, The Big_DR threw mine from the bottom of 1 up towards the practice basket.....and it got WAY overstable on him. It's not a roller. It has medium stability, and medium glide, and medium speed. Very easy to throw i thought.

How do they fly for you?

Straight with a little hyzer at the end. You must have a mutant Tracker if she's as overstable as a Pred cuz you have more arm speed than i.

You say they are overstable.
I say they are straight.
And Clayton says they are rollers.

LMAO! :D




First off, Clayton threw it into a 30+mph headwind on 14 at the Vet. Nothing flies stable when that boy throw as hard as he can into a 30+er.

Secondly, The Big_DR threw mine from the bottom of 1 up towards the practice basket.....and it got WAY overstable on him. It's not a roller. It has medium stability, and medium glide, and medium speed. Very easy to throw i thought.



Well, Clayton just told me that he rolled it. I didn't know there was a wind.

And I threw it about 60% uphill. Definetly not a throw that I could see how it really flew. Since then, I have got 1 and threw it in an open field and threw it a few times during my 36 hole round at Cedar Hill yesterday. I see it as a SLIGHTLY more overstable Wildcat or Teebird.

I am trading mine off to Sandalman. I like my Z-Kitty and don't need another fairway driver.

Straight with a little hyzer at the end. You must have a mutant Tracker if she's as overstable as a Pred cuz you have more arm speed than i.



I know you are the big arm in TX you just don't want to flaunt it. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

And I threw it about 60% uphill. Definetly not a throw that I could see how it really flew. Since then, I have got 1 and threw it in an open field and threw it a few times during my 36 hole round at Cedar Hill yesterday. I see it as a SLIGHTLY more overstable Wildcat or Teebird




nothing flies well nose up at 60% :) :p I need a Jug of righteousness!

I know you are the big arm in TX you just don't want to flaunt it.




I do make it look easy, but no flaunting here. :D :p

LOL you coming down for ststes?

LOL you coming down for ststes?



^^^^ is that the Scoot_er dance? ^^^^

<<<< i like mine better. :)

Unfortunately not this year. I hate to miss it, but my wife went into the hospital for a week a few months ago and that ate up some valuable vacation time. I now have an ace race to TD on Oct 22. I plan on coming for the Spring event if y'all are still thinking of moving it to the Spring.

Oh well. Yeah it should be a NT in spring(april) :D

I think the Z-Talon flies similar to the Z-Tracker but is a superior disc.

The Talon is nice. Cheaper too, but isn't as easy to control as the Tracker......for me anyways.

Oh well. Yeah it should be a NT in spring(april) :D



BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Texas needs more NT's!

I actually liked the Talon a while back.

I actually liked the Talon a while back.



What's in the bag Matt? I see you try lots of discs. All gateway for you now?

My skin blisters and breaks into hives anytime i touch anything other than my sponsors stuff. :D

I have been all Gateway for 10 months but I just test things out from time to time that I win in tournaments. Probably won't do much testing now since I won't win plastic.

I knew about the Gateway sponsorship, remember, i think i helped you decide to pursue it. :)

I'd like to test other companies stuff for comparison reasons, but i can't handle the blisters that crap gives me. :D

No blisters here. The reason I don't throw discraft is because it reall doesn't fit my hand.

I knew about the Gateway sponsorship, remember, i think i helped you decide to pursue it. :)

I'd like to test other companies stuff for comparison reasons, but i can't handle the blisters that crap gives me. :D



That is why you just gotta ask me! :D

I find the tracker to be dead on straight. For me it is like a faster version of the XL but longer.

This is a great disc! Threw mine for the first time a couple days ago and I was very happy with it. It's easy to control, great for long straight shots and can go very far. I can't beleive how durable Z plastic is. I hit some serious [I'm a potty-mouth!] with mine, even planted it in hard gravel road (was used to throwing more stable discs and this thing did NOT turn, lol), and the disc doesn't have a single nick, cut and barely a scratch on it.
I love throwing this disc a lot.

How does the tracker compare to say the z xpress and z wildcat which are both dead straight for me?

It is more overstable than the Xpress. Should handle the wind that would turn your Xpress.

The Tracker is going to be slower than the wildcat. Similar flight, but the Tracker is much more controllable.

The Tracker is AWESOME. Its my longer 1st Run Z BUZZZ!!!

What is a glow Z Tracker (AM Nationals stamp) worth?

I need me one of these. Will they be a regular release?

$5. PM me your paypal ID and i'll send over the cash and my addy.

Man, I wanna try one of these Z-Trackers

You are more than welcome to try mine at the ace race in CH on 10/22

Can anyone get me a good price on the Z-Trackers?

I have some Innova discs to trade. I didnt like Innova when I played a while back. I thought that maybe I would like them this time. Orcs, Tee-Birds, Firebirds, blah blah blah! I still cant stand them.

The only Innova disc that I ever liked was the Roc. Now I don't even like that disc anymore. I like the MRV better now.

All Discraft for me. Well, I do like the Orions though.

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What is a glow Z Tracker (AM Nationals stamp) worth?




I need me one of these. Will they be a regular release?



from what they said at the USADGC -- there were only 100 made and they are limited edition

Can anyone get me a good price on the Z-Trackers?

I have some Innova discs to trade. I didnt like Innova when I played a while back. I thought that maybe I would like them this time. Orcs, Tee-Birds, Firebirds, blah blah blah! I still cant stand them.

The only Innova disc that I ever liked was the Roc. Now I don't even like that disc anymore. I like the MRV better now.

All Discraft for me. Well, I do like the Orions though.



do you have any Coyotes or SB Orcs?

$5. PM me your paypal ID and i'll send over the cash and my addy.



did you leave out a zero? :D
regular Z Trackers are $20 and this is a limited edition Glow Z Tracker (169g -- they were all 168 or 169g).

it wouldn't take $50 to get it but it would take more than $5 :D

i already have your addy -- thanks for buying the Ace Race Glides from me...

I do have two SB Orcs but I'm not looking for a disc that could be worth $50. I want them to throw and beat up.

I can't find the Z-Tracker on Discraft's site or anywhere else?

check www.sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com) for Z-Trackers. That's Discraft's website for sales to the public.

dang robj, yer two smart fer me! :D

The only Innova disc that I ever liked was the Roc. Now I don't even like that disc anymore. I like the MRV better now.




You need to get 3 midrange discs to try. Z-Buzz, Z-Comet, Z-Glide. I throw all three and they do 90% of my midrange needs. I also throw a Z-Wasp but it may be more overstable than what you are looking for.

What is it that you didn't like about the Roc?

i don't like it b/c the plastic isn't durable enough.......and i cant afford a champ. one.......but who really cares, the Buzz does what a Beat Roc, new Roc, and KC roc do all in the same disc.

I agree that the Buzz is a good disc but it does not do what a beat up DX Roc does. A Buzz is too straight and has more fade at low speeds.

That is why God let us have the COMET! :D

True. There is no disc like the Comet. Comets do things that are impossible from any other disc.
And they go FAR!

I agree that the Buzz is a good disc but it does not do what a beat up DX Roc does



I usually agree with Kid across the board, but i beg to differ about that statement. Get you a Pro-D, Holiday, or X-Buzzz, beat it up like you do your "beat DX rocs" then tell me it doesn't do the same thing. :)

I agree that the Buzz is a good disc but it does not do what a beat up DX Roc does



I usually agree with Kid across the board, but i beg to differ about that statement. Get you a Pro-D, Holiday, or X-Buzzz, beat it up like you do your "beat DX rocs" then tell me it doesn't do the same thing. :)



Oops, meant to type Z-Buzz.

check..... :D

hey this is the z tracker thread. go play in the z buzzz thread if that wot ya wanna do. but dont make me keep coming here cuz theres 4 new messages only to find out your having a circle buzzz

I have a Z-Glide, Z-Wasp, and a Z-MRV. I like all three of them better. I just don't like the way the Roc feels coming out of my hand. It feels like throwing a putter to me.

I have a Z-Glide, Z-Wasp, and a Z-MRV. I like all three of them better. I just don't like the way the Roc feels coming out of my hand. It feels like throwing a putter to me.



Get a Z-Buzz and either an Z or Z-Comet. That should complete your midrange needs.

i have a z buzz, a pro d mrx, and a demon. How am I doing Hero?

Been thinking of picking up a glide.

Looks ALMOST perfect.

I'd have a Drone instead of the Demon, but i'm a little biased. :)


Back to the Tracker talk.......................

Not super fast, but super controllable. I used it on a few holes last night at the GV mini....birdied all of the holes i used it on. The Tracker in the PHOTON GLO plastic will feel awesome, i'm sure.

Last I bought a photon Glo disc, the chains chewed it up really really fast.... one hit took a gouge about 1/4" by 2" out of the rim and it never flew right after that. I've seen more durable bubble gum.

Have they improved the durability in the last year or so? An expensive disc with bad durability does not sound like a winner to me.

But I have been tempted strongly by the Z Tracker, just the prospect of getting divorced for buying more discs right now keeps deterring me. :o

I do have two SB Orcs but I'm not looking for a disc that could be worth $50. I want them to throw and beat up.



two SB Orcs would get you my Glow Z tracker :D

2 trackers will be here tomorrow :D

i have 18 Z-trackers :)

i have 18 Z-trackers :)



Hoping they'll mate with your 50 first run buzzzen to produce a super race of control mids?

14 used (barely) Z-Buzzz

plus the one in my bag

and 13 brand spanky new never been thrown first run Z-Buzzz

not counting the three NT Tour Z-Buzzz which say WASP and are flat so they very well might also be first run

and ONE holiday buzzzzzzzzzz

(did you see that john?)

14 used (barely) Z-Buzzz



:eek: :eek: :eek:

that's it? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

and 39 2004 ace racers (maybe more, i just counted kinda quick) not counting the two in my bag

and 39 2004 ace racers (maybe more, i just counted kinda quick) not counting the two in my bag



Now for the warehouse where your real supplies are.

31 first run x-avengers plus two in the bag

13 unthrown first run z-crushes

but only 7 new unthrown first run Z-flashes. kind of embarassing in the Flash department. but oh well at least three of those are Blue.

Just changing the title to something more appropriate. :o

no, braggin would be if i mentioned the first run old school XL's, stratii, MRX's and MRV's. :D

oh, i forgot the first run stack of one each from APX up through Z Flick including a proto drone that

I WILL GIVE AWAY FOR FREE

if someone wins this seasons NFL Playoff Challenge

so add one to each total

i have 18 Z-trackers :)



yeah, but how many of them are GLOW Z Trackers? :D

doesn't anyone want my limited edition AM Nationals stamp Glow Z Tracker? :confused:
i thought someone would offer me cash or something i want :D

you must be asking too much for it....what do you want?

"Why would anyone collect so much of one disc?" Says the dude who owned 300 Rocs at one time. :D

you must be asking too much for it....what do you want?



you can pm me offers but sandalman may have already grabbed it by the time i get them ... :eek:

Dead Milkmen?

Sandalman, I need some of that Z-plastic that you're stashing over there.

Sandalman, I need some of that Z-plastic that you're stashing over there.

some its pretty expensive, and some of it i dont wanna ditch, but you are always welcome to submit offers.

oh, i forgot the first run stack of one each from APX up through Z Flick including a proto drone that

I WILL GIVE AWAY FOR FREE

if someone wins this seasons NFL Playoff Challenge

so add one to each total



What's the NFL player Challenge?

Just got 2 more 1st Runs in the mail. I think I am going to take one and beat the snot our of it (IE throw it into a wooden fence or brick wall and see if I get get it to where there is not fade at the end of its flight. Anybody else just loving this disc???

I love mine. I have a few, and the one I throw most is fading less-and-less every day I throw it. But a little fade is ok for me.

I had one that was starting to break in nicely but then I threw it in a very nasty looking pond and now its gone forever :mad:

OUCH! :p

oh, i forgot the first run stack of one each from APX up through Z Flick including a proto drone that

I WILL GIVE AWAY FOR FREE

if someone wins this seasons NFL Playoff Challenge

so add one to each total



What's the NFL player Challenge?

for the last two year's i've run a super bowl prognostication event for message board folks. basically, you pick the winner of the game, game score, halftime score, and total offense yards for both teams. closest prediction wins a really nice stack of plastic - usually stuff i've accumulated over the year in winnings.

thats the regular game. this year, in addition to paying out the winner like always, i've putting up the first run stack. to win it, you must:

1) contribute one disc to the regular stack
2) win the overall game
3) pick the super bowl winner before the playoffs start

we feature near-realtime online statistics updates throughout the game, and a modelling tool where you can input all kinds of possible game outcomes to see how good your chances are.

look for a thread in the MISC section in mid-november

The best part about the disc is the lack of effort required to get good distance.

I agree that the Z-plastic fades too hard at the end of the flight, but I can't see the X or D making much sense to me since the Tracker is perfect for wooded courses where you want the added distance with accuracy. Out in the open I just switch to a Predator for the same type of distance.

X and D Would be great for the same reasons X and D are great in mids and putters. As they get beat up they require less and less effort to throw accurately and eventually become hyzer flip discs and rollers :D

Which may be why they are now making Photon Glow Trackers :D

yep, i am completely loving this Z-Tracker. i was lucky to pick up a good handful of the earliest first runs with the discraft swoosh only logo, plus a few more of the first run stamp. i lost one in a pond last weekend also :( someone will have a treasure when they swim in to get it!

Glow Trackers and Glow Buzzz, now available at sunkingdiscs.com (and others I'm sure).
I got mine today. It's nice, has a good feel. It's a little domier than the Z, and seems to have good glide. I only threw it on the short course today, so didn't get to full-power it, but I will tonight!

Speaking of throwing a great disc in the water ... I played Riverbend Park in Palisade CO yesterday. There is a short hole, #11 that goes straight at the Colorado river, with no backbrush. Threw my 1st run 178 Buzzz ... Like a complete [I'm a potty-mouth!]. It skipped next to the basket and over the bank!!! All the way to the river I cussed and shouted "[I'm a potty-mouth!] ... wtf were you thinking!" Got to the river bank, looked down about 10 feet into the river ... and there was my Buzzz, just covered with water, but outside the main current. To say the least I was amazed and can't beleive it didn't float down the river ... It would have been GONE to Utah. I'll take it as a good omen that I got it back.

How cold was that water? Cold enough to make 'em little, shriveled up raisins? LMAO! :D

There must have only been one set of footprints in the sand on that hole.....the disc gods were very nice to you. :D