when using my Championship beast on a couse i havent played in a while, i noticed how straight this disc had become when trying to go around a dogleg i used to hit every time. i knew the disc had become straighter, i just never realised how much.

now this made me think of My quest for a disc that flys like a TL but lasts forever, and i got to thinkin that if i bought a plain ol' champion Teebird, that it would eventually just become a TL.

but heres what i wanna know, will it ever reach a point where it stops wearing in? or will it eventually just become understable like the TL (obviously it would take a lot longer).

id like to stay away from buying 5 of the same disc and having them in different stages of wear. i like to keep things simple....

This (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=414327&page=4&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) was the answer I got when I asked the similar question. I still have not resolved the dilemna, but I am going to try a Pro Teebird next and the a DX Teebird. I think they might be similar to a Pro TL when it is new as they beat in. I am trying the Pro first because I love the way the plastic feels and flies.

ive gone through all this too, but this question was more about how discs break in.

I know that somewhere along the line the T will become broken in perfectly and act how i would want it to, so thats not the main issue.

what i want to know, is if its possible for the Champion teebird to ever become understable like how my TL is.

i always thought that no matter how long i have my chmpion discs, they will never stray too far from when i buy them. obviously i was very wrong though because my beast went from being a super over stable disc that i could only use on doglegs, to a disc that i use on straight to slightly curved fairways. its actually kind of dissapointing, now i dont know what disc to use for those dog legs, but thats a whole different topic.

I find that Champion discs do have an initial break that takes a lot longer to achieve than other discs and then they retain their broken in flight charictaristcs for a really long time. My experiences with the Champion Teebird lead me to believe that it will break in to be a slightly overstable DX Teebird and stay that way for a long time. I once found a beat up, 166g Champion Teebird that was still more overstable than a new DX Teebird and it refused to get any less overstable. You'd probably be better off trying something different. IMO, the closest high end discs to a Pro Teebird-L are the QJLS and Z-XL The QJLS is a little more "Innovaey" so you may want to check that one out.

so your saying they do slowly break in and then eventually stop?

im gonna try a Tee bird because i do want somehting slightly more over stable now that im getting more power out of my drives anyways. i think that the Z XL would be perfect for me new, but would eventually break in too far and id be left looking for a new disc again. i think if i get used to the feel of a fully worn in Teebird ill be in perfect shape, since it cant ever get to the point where its understable and flipping.

Well, it can get to a too understable point also.

There seems to be a magic point. Discs break in to a certain point and then don't change as significantly for a period of time. Eventually, they do change more, but they stay broken in for a lot longer than it takes to break them in.

That has been my experience with the DX & Champion plastic anyway. I am still unsure on this Pro plastic how long it will stay well seasoned before getting too seasoned...my two cents...

yea, well i figured it wouldnt last forever, i just dont want something that lasts for just a few weeks.

...don't putters last>>>forever?

Well, it can get to a too understable point also.

There seems to be a magic point.


The magic point for me is a nice and thick oak tree.

I had a nice blue 173 11x KC Teebird in my bag for about 2 years, and when I had gotten it, it was slightly used. I beat it in pretty bad, and it always held the same easy straight flight, with a touch of fade at the end. My CFR TL, brand new, was noticeably less stable than my beat T.

...don't putters last>>>forever?


"J.R." is quite proud of his 11-year-old Aviar, the top of which had sunken close-to 40% from-new. That's about as-long-as he's been playing. :o

...as for "magic points" I'm wondering if 'beatity' affects high-speed stability most, and less-and-less as velocity drops[?]. Along the line of: 'A beat Firebird may turn more than a TeeBird when cranked, but at the end [of say a roll], it's still a Firebird.'

...as for "magic points" I'm wondering if 'beatity' affects high-speed stability most, and less-and-less as velocity drops[?]. Along the line of: 'A beat Firebird may turn more than a TeeBird when cranked, but at the end [of say a roll], it's still a Firebird.'



That's the way it seems to me. I have a beat to hell speed demon. When I throw it hard and flat, it flips, but still comes back at the end. If I throw it w/ some hyzer, it will hyzer the whole way.