There has been a lot of talk about this lately. I'm currently maxing out at about 350' (with an Orc) and haven't made any gains for awhile.
When teeing off w/ a putter or mid, do you change your grip? Maybe just move the thumb in a little? I notice a little flutter when I really try to crush a wasp. Could this be my distance killer?

I switch over to a fan grip when throwing a mid range or putter. The flutter is likely from too much arm speed, basically you're over powering the disc. Midranges and putters get there distance more from their glide than the speed at release. If you're looking from distance from you midrange you need to start by slowing down the throw and getting a smoother motion and let the disc work for you. As you get the hang of this you'll gradually be able to put more power into it and know how much power your disc can handle.

There has been a lot of talk about this lately. I'm currently maxing out at about 350' (with an Orc) and haven't made any gains for awhile.
When teeing off w/ a putter or mid, do you change your grip? Maybe just move the thumb in a little? I notice a little flutter when I really try to crush a wasp. Could this be my distance killer?



I only throw an Orc about 350' but I've put a lot of work into throwing mids and putters in the last year. The rims are quite a bit different between an Orc and a Wasp so the grip will naturally have to be slightly different, but I consider them to be essentially the same.

The flutter is probably a different problem that seems to normally be traced back to wrist roll, following through on a different plane than the one you're throwing on or shoulder dipping. Personally, I had a big problem with wrist roll and I have to think about almost consiously rolling my wrist under just to prevent myself from rolling my wrist over. Following through in the correct plane has plagued me as well. Learning to throw putters and midranges has helped me to fix a lot of those problems. I also have had some sucess in lowering my center of gravity during my throw. I find it's easier to keep my body in the correct position and my weight shifted correctly. That's a problem I have in about any sport I try and learn, though.

So far I've gotten so my putters will go 280' without too much problem (as long as I have room to throw them high) and my midranges will get out to 300-315'. I haven't really extended my maximum distance with drivers, but I've found it's a heck of a lot easier to throw them. I also haven't been concentrating on increasing my distance. I'd like to get the putters and midranges figured out first and I really need to work on consistancy. I'm really appreciating how nice it is to throw putters and midranges instead of drivers.

Nice Call : " I'd like to get the putters and midranges figured out first and I really need to work on consistancy. I'm really appreciating how nice it is to throw putters and midranges instead of drivers."

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Nice Call : " I'd like to get the putters and midranges figured out first and I really need to work on consistancy. I'm really appreciating how nice it is to throw putters and midranges instead of drivers."

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Pushing out my distance at this point seems tedious and possibly counterproductive. I don't think I have the fundamentals down well enough to do any sort of serious work on my D. If I can get comfortable with my 200'-350' game and be able to score well then I'll probably move on to stretching out my distance.

No Worries..............Keep practicing...............

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Nice Call : " I'd like to get the putters and midranges figured out first and I really need to work on consistancy. I'm really appreciating how nice it is to throw putters and midranges instead of drivers."

Rock on Dude !!!!! :Dhttp://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif



Pushing out my distance at this point seems tedious and possibly counterproductive. I don't think I have the fundamentals down well enough to do any sort of serious work on my D. If I can get comfortable with my 200'-350' game and be able to score well then I'll probably move on to stretching out my distance.



Probably a good idea. The reason I was asking about driving w/ putters & mids was because people have been saying that if you practice driving with those, it will clean up your form, and allow you to throw drivers farther. It seems we may be at about the same spot on the learning curve. I know there's just some small technique issues keeping me from a 400 ft drive, but mastering the upshots is probably a better goal.

I usually throw mids w/ a power grip, but not quite as tight as my driver grip. Putters really want to flip bad for me unless I use a fan grip.

...people have been saying that if you practice driving with those, it will clean up your form, and allow you to throw drivers farther....

I usually throw mids w/ a power grip, but not quite as tight as my driver grip. Putters really want to flip bad for me unless I use a fan grip.



I started throwing 150g Aviars for drivers for many of the reasons already mentioned. Those putters max out at 280-300', but are deady accurate - with a FAN grip. A POWER grip demands more (too much) arm speed, and you lose most of the control.

Nowadays I mainly use drivers to drive with (over 300') and putters (various weights) for everything else. But throwing light putters certainly did help me extend my distance! It also made me more aware of the angle of release as well as the height of my shoulder.
Learning your own body mechanics may be more important than anything else. Good luck!

Playing with an Aviar only will help your driving game more than anything ! My home course is pretty short and I have always used Aviars there almost exclusively. Learn all angles off release with that disc and it will make you a better player. I can still throw an Aviar over 400 feet smoothly. Best disc ever made.

I can still throw an Aviar over 400 feet smoothly. Best disc ever made.



Whoa!!!! I can get my rocs about 300-325 fairly acc., but throwing an aviar 400+, THATS IMPRESSIVE!!!!

And off a cliff... :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Bob,
Have you ever given a Wizard a good workout?
I know snapper doesnt sell them at morley field but theres a few guys out there that might let you throw one.

I loved the SS wizards when they first came out, but they got beat too badly too fast. After they were beat, they seemed to lose all their glide.
As long as I can still throw an Aviar 275' or more with accuracy, I'm sticking with it. I've got to have ONE thing I'm good at. :D

Try Driving with a Waffle Top Stiff Aviar Driver or KC Aviar........................Bobby Benner can throw them over 400 !!!! :mad: PLAY HARD !!!!! :eek:

I can still throw an Aviar over 400 feet smoothly. Best disc ever made.



Whoa!!!! I can get my rocs about 300-325 fairly acc., but throwing an aviar 400+, THATS IMPRESSIVE!!!!


The reason I can throw an Aviar that far is because I learned the game with them back in the late 80's and into the 90's. For many rounds thats all I threw, and it helps you to develope a smooth throw and clean release. I believe that if you have the ability to throw a slow flying disc on any given hole your chances for a good shot is increased because discs like aviars and rocs are more forgiving than say a long distance driver. A throw released 20 feet to far left on a straight hole will still be a decent throw with a roc or aviar compared to if you have thrown something faster and more stable. Learn the midrange and putter molds and it will help your game.

Shhhhhhhhh...........don't give away all your secrets !!!!!! :eek: :D

Arm speed and Technique help !!!!!!!

Bob,
Have you ever given a Wizard a good workout?
I know snapper doesnt sell them at morley field but theres a few guys out there that might let you throw one.



Hey Dave , I have a couple of Wizards , Bobby could Crush with !!! Wizards do fly straight !!!!

Quickdisc:
Classic Aviars and KC Aviars are two different molds, but i hear what you are saying.. although the kc aviar will be easier to throw because they have a bigger bead and are more stable..
the real tough one is the CLassic aviar because it's super stiff and small beaded.
That's my main putter and i drive with it a lot.. Great disc to have and great for pushputting..
I definately need to get a KC Aviar though.

-Scott Lewis
p.s. my furthest throw with a Classic Aviar was 370, but i wish i could throw that far with a classic consistently :(

P.s. again... YOu already know about the difference quickdisc.. i just read your reply to a different post.. sorry.

Bob,
Have you ever given a Wizard a good workout?
I know snapper doesnt sell them at morley field but theres a few guys out there that might let you throw one.


Never tried a Wizard. There are so many new discs out since the last time I played serious golf ( back in the mid 90's) I try to keep my bag to a maximum of around 4 different molds. I will see if I can find a Wizard and try it out. Maybe Donny can hook me up !!!

Shhhhhhhhh...........don't give away all your secrets !!!!!! :eek: :D

Arm speed and Technique help !!!!!!!


Don't worry Don, most of my secrets will be kept safe. Hey, how about hooking me up with one of those Wizards !!! :D

Thanks for the info guys. I'll be recieving some aviar double stamps today. Sounds like I'll be taking those to the football field along with my drivers from now on.

I went to the field yesterday and all I did throw were my aviars. Im already starting to feel more comfortable throwing them hard as my technique isnt bad to begin with. It does take height to get them out there though....

I went to the field yesterday and all I did throw were my aviars. Im already starting to feel more comfortable throwing them hard as my technique isnt bad to begin with. It does take height to get them out there though....


Keep doing that and you will see a huge difference in the way you can make your other discs fly. Learn the AVIAR

And off a cliff... :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Actually, that is on flat ground !

Actually everything else flies pretty smooth. I learned to throw a Roc before an aviar though so Im sure there is room for improvement...

And thanks for the tip, a putter type disc (10X aviars is MY choice) is the only disc I really dont have ALOT of confidence in throwing, or at least throwing hard. I could see my game getting alot better if I had the ablility to throw aviars more often and accurately.

Actually everything else flies pretty smooth. I learned to throw a Roc before an aviar though so Im sure there is room for improvement...

And thanks for the tip, a putter type disc (10X aviars is MY choice) is the only disc I really dont have ALOT of confidence in throwing, or at least throwing hard. I could see my game getting alot better if I had the ablility to throw aviars more often and accurately.


The ROC is also a great disc. Being able to throw an AVIAR between 300-400 feet makes some holes much easier because you are throwing a disc that is much slower than a big distance driver which makes it much easier to control and lets you have a bigger margin for error. Even if you never get really good distance with the aviars, your roc is the second best disc you have learned and will help in the same way. Keep practicing and I am glad the tip helped you, keep it up.