Znash hope you didn't mind me using your quote as a new Topic Thread.
It has just really hit home and rings so true to me as of lately.

You see back in Oct. I had been playing DG for a little over a month and was decent for a beginner but still had a long long ways to go. I was in Gallatin. Tn. playing Triple Creek. You know the one that has that the ridicolus Hole 6 with a wooded fairway about 12 ft wide that you all shook your heads over in the thread with DG photographs.Well, back in Oct. I thought this was the worse Course. I hated it and it was the most insane Course I had ever played up to that time.
I vowed back then I would NEVER play this Course again. EVER !!

Well, I went back two weeks ago after about a 9 month hiatus and also again this week and all I can say is what a great challenging Course!!

A nice short but not easy first nine in the woods with an open and Long back nine with very narrow fairways.
Its amazing how your perspective can change in 8 or 9 months after playing alot of DG :cool:

Out of the 32 Courses I have played since Sept., Gallatin's Triple Creek has found a place in my Favorite Top 10.
Maybe No. 6 Fav !!!!

Wow, what a change in my mentality since last year. I guess my game has come a pretty good ways to change my opinion about a Course so drastically ;)

I second Z's assertion that you should play play and play the Courses you hate the most because they seem impossible to score good on. You will be surprised and delighted to find that down the road you can develop the skills
over time to have success there !! And to your dismay you end up loving the Course . /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif





P.S. That picture of Hole 6 with the tight wooded fairway is easier than it looks in the picture. Take a Roc aim to the left and throw Annie making a very moderately S curve landing to the right on the fairway. I did this both rounds this week with success and managed Par :D

Tommy,

First of all that line actually belongs to Znash. I only quoted his response and placed the last line in bold, as I too thought it was of particuliar significance and dare I say even wise. So you may want to take my name off the thread title so I don't get accused of plagurism.

The timing of Znash's quote (and your subsequent comment) is rather ironic given it's only a week after the disc golf world was formally introduced to Lake Nockamixon State Park. (among many other names)

Nocka has to be one of the toughest courses in the country. Even with the relief from the normally OB streams the best score carded (which is still amazing) was Barry Shultz's 58. Most 1000 rated pros carded scores between 63 and 68. There was a lot of grumbling among the players. Too many rocks. There are no fairways. It's a luck course.
Guess what? It is a great course. It just offers challenge on a level few players experience. You are forced to throw sidearms, tomahawks, thumbers, stand and delivers. It tests both physical and mental strengths. I'm sure there are many of you players reading this that are disagreeing with me, but if you can open up a can of whoopazz at Nockamixon chances are you can do it anywhere, particuliarly wooded courses. Those that play it regularly enough to acheive success there generally love it and realize it is its toughness that made (forced) their games to improve.

Sounds like a great Course. I bet if this was on the regular NT schedule each year they would fall in love with it !!!
I just wonder what Barry Schultz's opinion of this Course is ?? Am I assuming correctly that this was his first time playing the Course ???

His 58 was his second Nocka round at Worlds. He shot a very impressive 60 the first time. I'm sure he (as well as most pros) practiced the course before the week began, however I believe it was his first visit to our region and therefore his first tourney rounds at the courses.
If you look at the scores you may note that 65 is over 1000 rated golf.
I tell people even if you don't want to shoot there, it is worth the drive (if in the region) just to walk the course as it is very pretty. In the spring when the water table is higher, there are a number of natural waterfalls throughout the course.

Thanks guys.
That quote comes from a year of playing easy courses in Dayton and then trying to play two of the hardest course in the area Mt. Airy and Idlewild. Both of these courses used to kick my you know what every time I played them and I used to hate them for it, but luckily I had a lot of disc golf friends that where better than me at the time and some still are that loved these courses or they already say the light that by playing these course their game was improving. So I would play those courses and develop shots for hole that I didn't have a chance on before. Case in point hole 5 at Idlewild made me learn a forehand roller, and a side arm, while Mt. Airy help be develop a long strait throw.

If all you do is play the course your good at you will never be a good disc golf you have to play the ones you hate or the one that serve you a big plate of wup asss.

I have the exact opposite problem. I love the long, tough courses where par or a couple under is a great score. I hate deuce or die courses, as was reflected in my DGLO performance this year. Its funny, if I have a 300' on my second shot, I will park it for a par. But if it's the same 300' off the tee, I will not hit the line as consistently.

baisically, my opinion is this; courses in the woods generally suck. for the simple fact a lot of bad shots are rewarded and many shots that are slightly off get severely punished.... flukey. what i'm trying to say is that if you don't like a course, and you have some kind of idea of what fair golf is supposed to be like, then chances are, that course sucks!! disc golf is an awsome game, but we really need to look at what ball golf has done to make the game as fair as possible and learn from that. love him or hate him, reese from fly 18 has the right idea for the future of disc golf.....it's fair.

I agree with the idea of playing courses you don't like. One of the courses here in Bowling Green - Hobson Groove, kicked my @$$ every time I played it. That is, until I developed a few different shots and started teeing off with my putter more. Now, Hobson is one of my favorite courses and I shoot better there than any of the other courses here in BG. But then again, I like heavily wooded courses like Hobson. Some people think courses like this aren't fair, but I disagree. Courses like this only reward verry accurate shots. Some of the fairways are very tight and lined with trees, and sometimes even a good shot can end up deep in the woods but thats just part of the game.

My pet peeve is extremely long and wide open courses. I can't stand courses like that - might as well just be throwing a disc in a field. I suppose there is something to say about being able to throw far, but I prefer more technical courses.

baisically, my opinion is this; courses in the woods generally suck. for the simple fact a lot of bad shots are rewarded and many shots that are slightly off get severely punished.... flukey. what i'm trying to say is that if you don't like a course, and you have some kind of idea of what fair golf is supposed to be like, then chances are, that course sucks!! disc golf is an awsome game, but we really need to look at what ball golf has done to make the game as fair as possible and learn from that. love him or hate him, reese from fly 18 has the right idea for the future of disc golf.....it's fair.



hyzer, hyzer, hyzer, snore....

in general, wide open courses are not even worth the time it takes to play them unless they are on a great big hill (see brandywine) or around a lake (see winthrop)

quality play in dg is at least partially about flight paths and landing zones, not just landing zones. this is much less the case in bg largely due to the fact that we can do all sorts of cool things with discs that a ball cannot. great courses offer a balance. (see knob hill, hawk hollow)

poorly designed wooded courses do suck, just like poorly designed open ones. more bad shots are rewarded on open holes than in the woods because fewer/none are punished. in the open you either pin it or you don't.

dan- are you still in charlotte? tell the todds hey for us. :cool: