today i was attempting to throw a tomahawk (as i call them, at least. two fingers gripping lip and released overhead). i released it vertical instead of starting it out slightly upside down (near vertical) and the disc held that line the entire flight... basically a super extreme sidearm anhyzer. i know why the disc did what it did and that to throw a tomahawk next time i should try something less stable that'll flip upside down easier. but i was wondering if there is a name for this shot?
When I first started throwing tomahawk I had the same issue but the disc would stay vertical the entire flight. It was pretty cool cause I was getting like 250' and the disc would hold the line the entire time. It was getting really easy and my card was getting P.O.ed cause I was not playing fair by playing the fairway. :o
I have now gotta good thumber and dont need the bunny hop any more.
i know that in ultimate they call this shot a hammer but i dont know what they call it in disc golf, might be the same thing
discgolfreview
Jul 25 2005, 04:15 PM
heh, if it's intentional i call it a sidearm sky roller, but there is likely a real name for it.
if it's unintentional then it's likely still what you were trying to throw.
i know why the disc did what it did and that to throw a tomahawk next time i should try something less stable that'll flip upside down easier.
same can be achieved by adding more wrist flick power as you extend
Boneman
Jul 25 2005, 04:38 PM
Would a Sidewinder, or Orion be good for a flippy sky roller? Or are they too understable? What about a t-bird?
I use a Flick for my thumber.
discgolfreview
Jul 25 2005, 05:40 PM
for backhand, either would work. for sidearm, not sure, i don't throw this much but when i do it's usually with a pred.
paerley
Jul 25 2005, 10:46 PM
I really like my 170g Flash for backhand sky rolling. It travels maybe 150 feet in the air, staying just off of vertical. About 10 feet above the ground, just when you think you've screwed up, it goes straight verical and starts running. It'll roll like 50-65 feet before hooking around to the left. It's predictable enough that I was screwing around between rounds with it, trying to get the disc to jump of the step in front of tfhe outhouses at the course, attempting to jump it INTO the bathroom. Got a few to hit the door, but never got one in. I also have a 168g XS that works OK for this, but it's a little flippier so it's tough to not end up with some weird pancake/grenade style shot. I don't use this shot much during a round because pretty much anywhere I can get a roller into, I can usually put a controlled midrange into. And with a midrange, there's a shot of it going in. You don't see many people throw roller Ace's.
Jeff_Peters
Jul 28 2005, 11:25 AM
I prefer a super-stable disc for my tomahawk shot. I used to use a DX Whippet, but now I use a max-weight Champion Monster, quite possibly the most stable disc ever created. Very helpful in these wooded Virginia courses I frequent.
TravisGrindle12
Jul 28 2005, 11:50 AM
For really controled tomahawks i throw some beat up x-clones. I throw with one finger underneath. Because of this I can throw very straight tomahawks but also can throw a left turning shot. I played last weekend in the LAF marathon and for the heck of it threw only tomahawks until i was within 20 ft of the basket. I found out that on a lot of little righty hyzer holes i could park the x-clone. Shot 8 down surprised myself.
greenbeard
Jul 28 2005, 01:45 PM
the MONSTER is the best tomahawk disk evar!!1!!1!1one!1!
seriously, I throw tommy's far more than I should, and nothing has been more predictable and consistantly fun to throw (especially midrange skipshots) than the monster.
ALL HAIL THE MONSTER!
I have tomahawked a variety of disc and although the monster is a gooden, I prefer the Talon as it has been my go to disc for this throw. I just cant seem to lose it, which must meen something along the lines of accuracy. :D
Boneman
Jul 30 2005, 12:07 AM
I throw 150 and 169 Flicks.
Do you throw a large Monster or a small Monster. Are they scarier when they are thrown this way :)
greenbeard
Aug 01 2005, 08:22 PM
my 168 monster is pretty much backhand only. My 172 is my mainstay, anything-but-mostly-tommies monster, and the 175 is a very predictable pig with less play after it hits the ground. The 172 dances nicely, but the 168 is just too floppy and gets real active after it hits the deck... it just refuses to die until it does a few doughnuts..
bigchiz
Aug 03 2005, 02:41 PM
I like to use the three finger stack grip, instead of two straight fingers. No torque on the knuckles this way, the fingers act as a spring.
To demonstrate, put your hand flat on the table, put your second finger tip on the fingernail of your first finger, now put your third finger on top of the nail of the second finger. Now pick your hand up off the table and form the letter C, backwards. The pinky sticks out like the Queen drinking tee. With the disc in hand, the three finger tips push on the inside rim of the disc.
Try the same grip for sidearm, and forehand roller.
As far as the tommie flattening out, I use a 170 Z-Xtra, quite overstable compared to the other discs in my bag. To stay verticle I drop down a stability level or two to a Z-Wildcat or Z-Xpress, all right near the 170 weight range. With the Z-Xpress, it often becomes a forehand sky-roller.