ok here comes some more dumb ?'s how do i know if my cobra is dx and is champ or pro any of my discs for that matter is champ or pro
ok how about what is it

1 a disc with only innova champion disc no other markings
2 one that is only marked Carrollton open

ok now i have a putter that says it is a factory second that is a innova X out so is something wrong with it

ok flippy i have seen this word to describe a bad disk what does that mean and the color thing that one has sent me right to the edge hell i did not think color mattered now i dont know what to throw

ok enough for now please forgive me i am new to this stuff and want to get all the info i can to help me learn

Dave

There are no "dumb" questions,when you need info. I am pretty new myself but will try to help.
1st- if the disc says "Champion",it is a champion. Same with the JK PRO. If it says that,it is a JK Pro.
2nd- I have a few SE X-out Valkyries. They have a bar thru the middle of the disc that say, "Special Edition" and are my very best distance discs.I also had but lost a "Champion" X-out that was also one of my best discs.
3rd- Your last one is a tournement disc and are/can be impossible to identify as to what it really is.
Gaylordsr.

To expand...... DX is the basic plastic out, and usaully is the cheapest for all companies, including Innova.
Pro plastic will have a more grip than DX and about the same life span. Both DX and Pro plastic is opaque. Pro plastic is basically a mid-grade plastic.
Champion plastic is the most durable, and is usaully a stiffer version. Most new Champion, or Z { Discraft} or E { Gateway} plastic is clear, or mainly clear. This is also the most expensive plastic.
An X-out disc is a cosmetically flawed disc. There should be no difference in quality of flight between an X-out and a non X- out disc. They usaully have a small visual flaw, like air bubbles in the rim or specks of what looks like dirt inside the plastic. I throw alot of X-out products and have never had a problem with one. Hope this helped a little.

If you show your discs to a pro, they should be able to tell you if they are pro or Champion or DX by looking at the plastic. Pro and Champion models usually are stamped that way -- though tournament stamps may not be.

As for the color thing -- the color of the plastic does effect the cooling rate of the disc when it is made -- and this can create slight variations in dominess, size, etc which in turn can effect flight tendencies. It's usually not a huge difference.

thanks for the info i hope to catch up wirth some of you guys soon and learn more about my disc, form, and all that good stuff

Dave :cool:

Some "X-Outs" are beyond cosmetic and may fly different...while most of these make the regrind pile, it does happen. I had a Champion Banshee one time that's nose hung down too much (Most likely a cooling issue) and it was money! It flew like a faster, better into the wind TeeBird.

On a related note, I've had a few Spirits with the same thing, and they are HUGE! I threw my first 500'+ shot with one in a distance comp. yesterday, (360) and it was awesome!

OK, I'm done boasting.

Some "X-Outs" are beyond cosmetic and may fly different...while most of these make the regrind pile, it does happen. I had a Champion Banshee one time that's nose hung down too much (Most likely a cooling issue) and it was money! It flew like a faster, better into the wind TeeBird.

On a related note, I've had a few Spirits with the same thing, and they are HUGE! I threw my first 500'+ shot with one in a distance comp. yesterday, (360) and it was awesome!

OK, I'm done boasting.



Does Gateway make any kind of " X -out " types of discs ?

check out the patent no. on the bottom of the disc and google it. I found out what kind of disc a tournament disc was by that method.

I'd like this Hotstamp or dyed on a Disc ..............


http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050724/i/r2578075266.jpg

Maybe if I attatched that image to a basket I'd make a few putts.
I'm so glad he's finally retiring and some real cyclists can win the tour.

check out the patent no. on the bottom of the disc and google it. I found out what kind of disc a tournament disc was by that method.



Most discs have the same patent # on them. Regardless of mold or manufacturer.

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