Why does my roc always go right? I don't have this problem with my Champ Aviar and lately I have taken to carrying a Gator just to make sure I have a disc that will fade.

If I throw my rock with hyzer than it mostly does what I want it to do, but I thought with the Roc having a fade rating of +3 I should be able to throw it flat and then have it fade left at the end of the throw. Instead it always turns right at the end of its flight.

Im sure this could be any number of technique problems but it doesn't seem to happen with my other midrange discs. :cool:

The Roc can do anything you want it to. Go around the course with only the ROC and you will figure out what you are doing wrong.


Also chill out on the threads dude! :eek:

Am I bugging people by posting too much? :confused:

Will the Roc balance my check book? :)

What I remember about the roc is that it was very unforgiving. And the one that I had flipped right into a lake....

But, I found other midranges to work better for me. If the gator is more consitent for you, use a gator.

As you get better, you may want to try the roc again.

As far as posting, post your heart out. On occasions you'll start to get flamed; just ignore them. There are many people here that will answer your questions.

Thanks Hank!!! :)

Try a BUZZZ. You will like it I promise :D

I see on my roc shots that thumb placement is important. The closer your thumb is to the center of the disc (farther from the rim), the roc will probably fade more. It has something to do with less spin, I think. Also what weight, plastic, and hotstamp is your roc? I find that different rocs have different flights.

That makes me want to go dig my roc out of the lake...

If you get a buzz, make sure you get a heavy one. It is dead straight, and it will hold any line you put on it. I've flipped mine on occasions, which makes me wary to throw it near water.

Rendroc, That seems like solid advice and I will try moving my thumb. My Roc is 176g DX with a stamp that says something like "stable midrange and approach" and has a picture of a pretty bird.

I don't use a roc either, mainly because I think there are comparable discs out there in better plastic. However, if you are turning the roc over then you do need to think about your technique. What I've learned, the hard way, is that once you get your technique down you will be able to adjust your throw so that any disc is usable. I actually use a disc that is much less stable than either the gator or the roc (I use the Cobra); I never turn it over and my longest throws are coming in at 300ft. For me the key is keeping my pull through slow and getting the disc in close to my chest up to the whip (unbending your elbow). That imparts less speed on the disc but a whole lot more torque. High speed without enough torque is what causes midranges and understable drivers to turnover (or wobble if the torque is low enough). Torque gives you more distance and a straighter flight.

Now, back to making my roc balance my checkbook.

Lyle, I think you are right about the torque vs spin problem I am having.

My Roc wont even sit at the computer, much less open Quicken. But I will have some great ideas about how to throw my Roc better next time I hit the links, thanks to all the helpful people.

How about a thread called "Asimo wonders..."

That way you can just bring up new questions in that thread. Just an idea. People will still read it, and answer, any chance for someone to flex their grey muscle will be jumped upon...

;)

the torque lyle is speaking of is not the same as off-axis torque, which is probably happening for you asimo, especially based upon your post about the TL.

things to remember:
1) every disc can be made to fly straight (at least for a while).
2) every disc can be made to curve to the left.
3) every disc can be made to turn to the right (at least for a while).

most roc purists prefer beat rocs. rocs also fly the way you throw them, therefore, if it is turning to the right, you are making it turn to the right. the roc ends up kinda being the mid-point. if the roc is too understable for you, you are making a commitment to throwing very overstable midranges. if the roc is too overstable for you, you will end up throwing more neutral flying midranges (these generally aren't very high speed stable).

my experiences w/ the z buzz are that new they fly similar to my very beat in rocs. i've never actually retired a roc for being too flippy and i've got a few i've been using for ~2 years.

The Tee Bird L being to flippy could have been the plastic. I hated mine too for the same reason.

But if the roc is turning over and cutting right, then you are turning it over. The great thing about the roc is that it flies however you tell it to.

Something in your technique is telling it to turn. Watch your wrist for turnover, pull line, follow through line, and the lean in your back. something is yanking them right or downwards on the inside edge.

Yes, a roc can become a little understable after beating ... I finally compared my old roc to a new one, and noticed that mine is almost a 1/2 inch smaller than a new one from the beating. It still flies straight unless I try to drive it hard, or turn it over.

I just want to make one thing clear. I am not blaming my Roc. I fully realize that the problem lies with me and the suggestions on this thread about technique are important to me.

It does feel like it is a different problem then the one I was having with drivers turning hard right. Mostly because the Roc will fly straight for the first part of its flight and then start heading right as it slows down.

Finally, I don't think I will post all my questions to one forum unless it is requested by more people. It would be very confusing to me.

Thanks again for all the helpful tips. :cool:

i've had a couple of beat in DX rocs and they are very sensitive to the angle they are thrown. The fade has basically completely vansished, making them VERY unforgiving if they've been thrown with any right turn on them from the release. On the other hand they don't flip from a hyzer release very easily either. Meaning: if i throw them flat, they start out perfectly straight... and end perfectly straight. You should figure out how to throw this type of shot... money!!!
what kind of throws do you use your roc on?
i don't have that much power and don't throw them with full power either... they are definitely a finesse disc for me (a beat in DX plastic one, anyways). lotsa clean spin and not too much arm is the way to go!

asimo: I had the same problem when I started throwing rocs. I was turning them over, but then again I was turning over almost every other disc too. The big problem for me was the rim of the roc. I get a lot of snap when I throw and my fingers were getting stuck on the rim - this was making me hold onto the disc too long and turn it over. What helped me was to change my grip when I throw the roc. Instead of using a power grip (all four fingers) I switched to just using three fingers (sometime two) or a fan grip. This helped me get the right release point. Also, I find that I have to put some hyzer on a roc and then it will straighten itself out.

Another discs you might want to try is the coyote. I've seen people compare this disc to the roc, but it is a straighter flier for me and the rim feels much better in my hand.

forgot to ask something... how high are you throwing the roc? if it's 4' high, it won't have enough time to fade out from a turn... if it's 15' high it will.

I wish I could say that I am consistently throwing it at the same height but I am not. I am shooting for around 10'-15' and come relatively close on most attempts.

Today I had a lot better luck with my Roc but I was careful to throw it with hyzer each time. I think when I am trying to throw it flat I end up putting a small amount of anhyzer on the disc.

Basically my game is so raw and undeveloped that it is hard to pinpoint the problem.

What would cause a Roc to fly straight for 75'+ and then suddenly head right? :confused:

ah, 75'... when you said "late" i was thinking more like starting to turn at 225' or beyond. it is most likely some form of wrist roll or releasing it slight annie.

Post all you want unless you here from the moderator. You establish nice dialogues with good people that way. Careful not to spam the forums, but all your questions are good ones.

We do sometimes get tempted to over-post. I've been fighting the urge to ask about the difference between a blaze, xtreme and monster.

But, it may be too similar to my post about windy day discs.

Also, if you start to repeat questions, you will get links to previous threads.

New posts are refreshing. Who want to keep adding to some that are months old?

I have more good advice to work off of now. I will let you guys know how I progress, whether you like it or not. :D