So here is the senario: A player has played three rounds of a tournament and it is not going well. The player quits the tournament for the sole purpose af not lowering their rating. How is this fair? I read on another post that if the score is entered as 777 and not 999 for the remaining rounds, the rounds played will be counted, and the rating affected. Shouldn't this be how the rounds are scored?

That player would have his first 3 rounds rated and the other round would be as if he never played. If for some reason it was entered wrong, as you have heard of, then that round would drop off anyway do to a process they use to eliminate rounds that are way out of whack.

So no matter how the TD turns in the score, it affects the rating? I thought that it just registered as DNF. Does each TD turn in all scores no matter what?

The TD is supposed to list players who DNF as such and any incomplete rounds be turned in as 999, but all rounds that were finished will be in the TD report and will get rated.

Ex.:

Player A plays 3 rounds 54 , 55 and 56 and quits during round 4. The report will show the scores as: RD1 54, RD2 55 ,RD3 56 and RD4 999.

Rounds 1-3 will get rated as normal and round 4 wont even pop up in the ratings data. If for whatever reason the TD puts 777 as the last round score(which surley would get seen and removed by the ratings commitee) and somehow slips through the cracks then that round would be so low of a rating it would get thrown out anyway do to it being a statistical improbability and would not count in that player's rating.

Somewhere on here is posted the way they remove statistically improbable rounds, but it works out to something like 100 points(give or take) or more lower then your player rating, or something like that.

I read this in annother post-

"I think we've indicated that TDs should enter round scores as 777 if a player doesn't play one or more earlier rounds but plays later rounds. That way we'll know to look for the later rounds to do ratings. Rounds with 777 or 999 act as if they never occurred in the ratings process.

Re: player ratings [Re: Chuck Kennedy]


That's the first I've heard of "777". Is it in the TD Report somewhere that I failed to read? Just curious.

Loc: Twin Cities, MN Re: player ratings [Re: Rhett_in_SoCal]


It's a popup note on cell B21 & M21 on the Scores page. I didn't have room to put it out in the open without messing up Theo's input wizard. We'll try to get it more obvious next time around. However, we're not particularly encouraging the practice of players skipping earlier rounds and playing later rounds. It's been tolerated at places like Worlds but I don't think we want that option to become commonly used. "

Re: player ratings [Re: Chuck Kennedy]

It turns out that entering 999 is sufficient. We don't need a 777 to indicate that a player has additional rounds to be rated in an event. We will rate all rounds that do not have a 999 or zero entered.

You know what sucks? When a top pro is in your group and you are playing at his level and thinking you must be doing great to be getting the same score as a top pro, and then he drops out because he's doing so bad and you think you are doing good.

you know what sucks worse? practicing like crazy and knowing that your improving, then going to a tourney and shooting what should be a 960 round (40 points above rating) without any real trouble, being in first place as a Pro Master for the first time EVER, then driving home for lunch AND HAVING YOU FREAKIN CAR DIE IN THE GARAGE!!!

:mad::mad::mad:

thats my weekend so far

:mad::mad::mad:

I hate when that happens.

Even worse is when you go 17 holes with 13 birdies and 4 aces, with an easy hole ahead of you, a basic par now would give you a 33 for the round, you tee off and it looks like a park job but right then your aorta rips a hole and you spill about 7 quarts of blood into your pericardial mediastinum and die on the tee pad, dead before you hit the ground.

you know what sucks worse? practicing like crazy and knowing that your improving, then going to a tourney and shooting what should be a 960 round (40 points above rating) without any real trouble, being in first place as a Pro Master for the first time EVER, then driving home for lunch AND HAVING YOU FREAKIN CAR DIE IN THE GARAGE!!!

:mad::mad::mad:

thats my weekend so far

:mad::mad::mad:



Sorry to hear that man.

I almost had a heat stroke(i may have??) after the second round today and I won't be finishing the tourny.

why is that worse? you died happy! whats worse if yiur drive woulda hit the windmill blade and bounced up smacking your girlfriend in the crotch making her coil over in pain. then watching her wig fall off and hear her screaming "oh, my balls!" which causes your aorta to rip a hole and you spill about 7 quarts of blood into your pericardial mediastinum and die on the tee pad, dead before you hit the ground.

in that case you die with a terribly confused look on your face :D:confused:

but anyway thanks for the laugh... i needed it. replaced the battery, $70 and its fixed. but i missed the entire freakin second round,so obviously no need to play the rest of the rounds tomorrow. oh well, lotsa putting practice time tomorrow i guess.

Hilarious.

I don't want to make Sandaldude's pain any worse, but don't they have taxi companies in Texas? You know, you call the dispatcher, he sends someone over, you get back to the course?

they sure do... i tried that angle. i tried to leave my house 30 minutes prior to second round tee time. that woulda got me there 15 minutes prior. no go on the car. so i called the td, who gave me the cell of a card-mate/friend. he was a no answer. i called the td back. he gave me another number. that player was 5 minutes form the course, and his wife was gonna come get me as soon as she dropped him off. i called the td back and told him i could be there but would be 15 minutes late. this is a c-tier... 4 players (all good firends) in open masters division... 35 total players... the td (also a friend) said no way on holding til 2:45. cited the rules and all (even tho the entire division would have willingly waited) meanwhile there were shirtless players all day.. go figure.

anyway, among the calls to the td and the players, i called the cabs. the earliest any of them could have even gotten to me was 30 minutes after the rounds was scheduled - woulda made me 45 late at best. that was a no go without even asking the td.

did i call a cab? i cant believe you think i am so stupid i didnt try.

How about playing a pick your own partner doubles tournament, being 2 strokes in the lead after round 1, and going to lunch at a local barBQ restaurant. On our way back to the course, less that 1000 feet from the entrance to the park (Hornet's Nest) your rear wheel starts to bobble then CHUNK, the passenger wheel pops off the car, rolling across the street, across a church front lawn and parking lot before hitting a fence 800 feet away.

The vehicle was continuing in 3 wheeling mode, and we were able to pull it off the main road. I ran down, got the tire, then hopped into someone else's truck so we could be back for the second round.

We lost. I think by 2 strokes. Hornet's Nest has bad karma where my vehicles are concerned...

thats a tought one, to be sure. but at least you got to play! :(

My deepest apologies. I thought maybe you just panicked and did not think of that. You have demonstrated repeatedly that you are not stupid. Even when your opinions are clearly incorrect you are not stupid about it. :D

That kind of thing puts a TD in a tough place. He could ask the other Pro Masters if they don't mind waiting and then they all feel pressured into not minding and they [I'm a potty-mouth!] afterwards.

Nonetheless, if it happened to me I'd be [I'm a potty-mouth!].

no worries, bruce.

yeah i know its a tough spot for te TD. with such a small event, a onecard field (made up of players who play together every week), an accomodation could easily been made. in fact, i talked to the guys afterwards and during the round they were all saying they woulda come get me and just started late! (td didnt offer that option - he just told them i was out.) i know it doesnt followthe official rulebook, but as i may have mentioned before, we also had shirtless players out there and nobody was saying a word about that. so the peripheral-type rules were not exactly the event's top priority.

i couldnt have taken the cash anyway, what with am worlds in less that a month. but they had trophies, and i wanted my first open one!

Quitting tournments for ratings has got be the worst form of unsportmanlike conduct in DG that I know. I think its pretty sorry to quit just becuase your doing bad, much less to protect a RATING?!?! I would lose a GREAT deal of respect for anyone that would purposfully do this.

Well, than you wouldn't respect me too much then, i have quit a tournament, soley to protect my rating. I also do not care what others think of my descisions, for they are MY OWN!!! why do people care about others ratings and get angry when people do this? Mind your own business, and I will robably do it again...so eat that

Well, than you wouldn't respect me too much then, i have quit a tournament, soley to protect my rating. I also do not care what others think of my descisions, for they are MY OWN!!! why do people care about others ratings and get angry when people do this? Mind your own business, and I will robably do it again...so eat that



And this is in his profile:

I'm 18, Playing disc golf since 1993. I listen to extreme metal and I Growl in a band named Unholy Empire. I'm an angry person, but a happy one too. The Player ratings don't mean [I'm a potty-mouth!]. It's ruining Disc Golf

Nice to be 18, confused and not give a [I'm a potty-mouth!]! :)

look at it this way...

you're having a crappy event, one that is sure to lower your rating. but you KNOW you are a better player...

so, the question is: would you rather have a rating LOWER than your actual ability, or HIGHER than your typical round.

for me, i'd much rather be rated a bit lower than i;m actually playing. its better to be a sleeper than over-rated.

we ALL have off holes, off sequences, even off entire rounds. the only way to lessen that phenomenon over time is to PLAY THRU IT.

of course, every player IS free to make their own decisions. but golf isabout overcoming adversity. quitting becasue a round is headed south might preserve your rating for today, but its gonna make that rating even more difficult to retain in the long run.

I don't care about my rating. I don't quit tournies though unless I have to due to injury. I had to quit a tourny earlier this year because I almost had a heat stroke(eventhough I had a lot of water and gatorade with me)

It is just a rating, not a measure of your value as a human being.

unless you are hurt or ill quitting is only for losers...I can not stand to quit a casual round...quitting to protect your rating is cowardess...[I'm a potty-mouth!] [I'm a potty-mouth!]

Well, than you wouldn't respect me too much then, i have quit a tournament, soley to protect my rating. I also do not care what others think of my descisions, for they are MY OWN!!! why do people care about others ratings and get angry when people do this? Mind your own business, and I will robably do it again...so eat that



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So you'd rather have someone judge you based on your DG skill than you as a person? That might be the sadest thing I've ever read on here.

Hell I am looking at it the exact opposite way .
I feel I have been getting better BUT I have been playin tourneys on courses I know and that I am good at ( my natural ability is to ROLL a disc , backhand or forehand pretty well )
NOW this weekend I am going to a course that is shorter and more technical and no roller oppertunities to allow A BALANCE to my player rating .

I think it's sad that someone would quit a tournament to preserve a high rating but it can only hurt them as a player so I see no problem with people doing it. There is no compeditive advantage to having a high rating that I can think of. I think it would be worse to quit a tournament to preserve a low rating to allow yourself to sandbag. If you're equating your rating to your self worth then how you finish in a tournament may not be your biggest problem.

If somebody quits a round to protect their rating, I think the Disciplinary Committee should be investigating and penalizing the player with a suspension for unsportsmanlike behavior.

Quit when you are physically injured. A bruised ego is not an injury. Keep playing when you are playing like crap--that is when you show your true character.

If somebody quits a round to protect their rating, I think the Disciplinary Committee should be investigating and penalizing the player with a suspension for unsportsmanlike behavior.




Sounds harsh...maybe they should just be DQ'd. ;)

If somebody quits a round to protect their rating, I think the Disciplinary Committee should be investigating and penalizing the player with a suspension for unsportsmanlike behavior.




Sounds harsh...maybe they should just be DQ'd. ;)



DQ with probation.

we'd cut their balls off, but obviously they dont have any anywayz.

One idea we've discussed is to automatically drop a player's rating to the lowest value possible that still keeps them in the same division if they DNF for whatever reason, i.e. down to 955 if Open Pro, down to 915 if Advanced, etc. This rating would just be for the next published update.

This would be a psychological penalty in the event the person did it on purpose or an early warning that a player's rating might be dropping anyway due to injury. Either way, the player can't bag with this process. All of their rounds would remain in the system and their rating would bounce back to wherever it should be at the following ratings update, assuming they don't continue to DNF every so often.

One idea we've discussed is to automatically drop a player's rating to the lowest value possible that still keeps them in the same division if they DNF for whatever reason, i.e. down to 955 if Open Pro, down to 915 if Advanced, etc. This rating would just be for the next published update.

This would be a psychological penalty in the event the person did it on purpose or an early warning that a player's rating might be dropping anyway due to injury. Either way, the player can't bag with this process. All of their rounds would remain in the system and their rating would bounce back to wherever it should be at the following ratings update, assuming they don't continue to DNF every so often.



One thing , If the Individual , gets injured , while playing and needs medical attention , that is totally different than someone leaving , because their playing bad.

If a player DNF's , without specific's , I agree.........they should get their ratings dropped. You should finish EVERY tournament round you start. Or don't play.

Quitter�s .......do not have rights for bailing on tournaments !!!!

One idea we've discussed is to automatically drop a player's rating to the lowest value possible that still keeps them in the same division if they DNF for whatever reason, i.e. down to 955 if Open Pro, down to 915 if Advanced, etc. This rating would just be for the next published update.




I like that idea. Then I would just have to enter one tournament per ratings update as a pro, not finish and then brag about my 955 rating. ;)

I honestly don't see why this sort of thing is an issue for the PDGA. Why would anyone care if someone else drops out of a tournament? You don't gain anything by having a high rating and I seriously doubt a sponsor would look positively on something like that so why do people think there needs to be a rule about it?

One idea we've discussed is to automatically drop a player's rating to the lowest value possible that still keeps them in the same division if they DNF for whatever reason, i.e. down to 955 if Open Pro, down to 915 if Advanced, etc. This rating would just be for the next published update.




I like that idea. Then I would just have to enter one tournament per ratings update as a pro, not finish and then brag about my 955 rating. ;)

I honestly don't see why this sort of thing is an issue for the PDGA. Why would anyone care if someone else drops out of a tournament? You don't gain anything by having a high rating and I seriously doubt a sponsor would look positively on something like that so why do people think there needs to be a rule about it?



Prevents Professional SandBagging. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

This is entertaining. The idea of quitting a round to preserve a rating.If you have a bad round, guess what? That is how you play. It should be part of your rating. You'll never learn from the bad rounds if you quit. If you DNF your bad rounds, your rating will be inflated anyways. Besides, ratings don't win tournaments.

What are the requirements for Team Champion? For men, isn't a 1000+ rating and some big tourney win?

What are the requirements for Team Champion? For men, isn't a 1000+ rating and some big tourney win?



Yeah and If a player is quitting to preserve a 1000+ rating then guess what they aren't a true 1000 player because they play through rough times. I think Innova should step in and put a foot down when it comes to quitting events for basically no reason. Afterall it is poor sportsmanship. :confused:

What are the requirements for Team Champion? For men, isn't a 1000+ rating and some big tourney win?



Yeah and If a player is quitting to preserve a 1000+ rating then guess what they aren't a true 1000 player because they play through rough times. I think Innova should step in and put a foot down when it comes to quitting events for basically no reason. Afterall it is poor sportsmanship. :confused:


Why are you capping on Innova to do it all? The only confirmed case of quitting a tourney to try and get a 1000 rating (which was successful, BTW) that I know of was by a player who throws *NO* Innova plastic.

Well not only innova but Discraft and all the other companies as well. The only campany that you have to keep a certain rating is innova(pretty stupid IMO)

What about all those guys who don't play in order to artificially keep their rating up? They're too chicken to stand up to their competition and they just sit at home with their safe and cozy rating! Despicable! I think their rating should go down for every tournament that they don't play!

In all seriousness, if any rule about DNFs were instituted should they be able to get a note from the TD to be excused for a good reason? Would a note from their Mommy be good enough? (Opps, think I turned the sarcasm off too soon.)

One idea we've discussed is to automatically drop a player's rating to the lowest value possible that still keeps them in the same division if they DNF for whatever reason, i.e. down to 955 if Open Pro, down to 915 if Advanced, etc. This rating would just be for the next published update.

This would be a psychological penalty in the event the person did it on purpose or an early warning that a player's rating might be dropping anyway due to injury. Either way, the player can't bag with this process. All of their rounds would remain in the system and their rating would bounce back to wherever it should be at the following ratings update, assuming they don't continue to DNF every so often.

i know you said it has just "been discussed" but that is a terrible idea. DNFs can and do happen for legitimate reasons. to drop a rating like that would do a grave disservice by deliberately falsifying the ratings. i suspect for every one player that would quit to preserve a higher rating, there are 20 players who might do something obscure/crazy to lower their rating.

dont mess with the ratings. no one who takes them even remotely seriously is gonna care about some flake who quits in order to keep their rating high(er).

dont mess with the ratings. no one who takes them even remotely seriously is gonna care about some flake who quits in order to keep their rating high(er).



WORD!

Plus....sometimes it's better if that guy who can't handle shooting poorly just walks off the course and leaves your card. Don't make him stay if he doesn't want to!

dont mess with the ratings. no one who takes them even remotely seriously is gonna care about some flake who quits in order to keep their rating high(er).



WORD!

Plus....sometimes it's better if that guy who can't handle shooting poorly just walks off the course and leaves your card. Don't make him stay if he doesn't want to!



I can not understand why someone , because they are not shooting lights out , would want to DNF ? Some of us pay , more than a few hundred dollars to stay and play in tournaments. I stuck it out , one year , after going to E.R.Dept. and finished my rounds !!!!!! Sounds kinda like a waste of money to DNF.
If the person is Irate , while playing , they will be stroked for poor sportsmanship. I have been in groups before , where this has also happened. What ever happened to good sportsmanship ? I have seen folks do things , they shouldn't be doing ,while playing and still , nobody says anthing , just to keep the peace.

Finishing each and every round , shows character and Integrity for the tournament entered. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Unless called by the TD for Unsafe conditions. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Each of us are fortunate to have cool course's to play.

Just play. Don't DNF.

In PGA and USGA gawf it is a sanctionable violation to withdraw from a tournament except for a medical excuse or a close family emergency. They take it seriously.

Does the PGA or USGA , penalize for DNF's with fines or omissions from future events ?

I played the last 2 1/2 rounds at the Worlds with a torn pectoral muscle/tendon. :mad: Ya, my rating took a hit, but I finished that tourney. I pretty much knew that I wasn't "right" and could suffer permanent damage, but since I don't put that much stock in player ratings, I just said "WTF" and finished anyway. :) I'm still not "right", but I also know what I am capable of doing on the golf course and will play anyone at anytime. Disc on, brethren, and play your hearts out. You won't see me quitting any tourneys, even if I do fall in the duck pond. :o Ratings don't win you any tourneys.

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Good job !!!!! Shows Character !!!!! Heal quickly !!!!!

Yeah man, take it easy on that muscle.....hate to see anyone in pain. However, I know the pain on the other side of the coin in not being able to play 'your best' while in that condition! Rest, rest, rest!

Cowards quit! Nuff said!

Does the PGA or USGA , penalize for DNF's with fines or omissions from future events ?

I'm having trouble finding the rule because tournament procedures are something different from rules. In junior golf an unjustified withdrawal from competition results in an automatic suspension from all tournaments for the remainder of the year, plus possible further sanctions. http://www.ajga.org/Membership/Withdrawing.asp

I know that there are stiff penalties at the PGA level but they are not giving themselves up to a Google search.

This is a list of penalties for specific instances of unsportsmanlike conduct at a very low level PGA event:

<table border="1"><tr><td>ACTION</td><td> MAXIMUM PENALTY
</td></tr><tr><td>No show - Qualifying Round</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>No show - Tournament</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>No show - Pro-Am</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Withdrawing without notifying Northern Ontario PGA official</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Conduct/Language likely to injure the reputation of the ... Club or the Sponsor</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Removing ball from hole with club-head</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Throwing club</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Withdrawing during tournament round</td><td> $200
</td></tr><tr><td>Hitting more than one ball onto green during practice</td><td> $100
</td></tr><tr><td>Not returning official scorecard</td><td> $100
</td></tr><tr><td>Not following Dress Code</td><td> $100 </tr></td></table>

All penalties will be doubled for a second offence and a third offence may lead to expulsion from competing in future Canadian PGA tournaments. Penalties apply to both championship rounds and all practice rounds.

This is a list of penalties for specific instances of unsportsmanlike conduct at a very low level PGA event:

<table border="1"><tr><td>ACTION</td><td> MAXIMUM PENALTY
</td></tr><tr><td>No show - Qualifying Round</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>No show - Tournament</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>No show - Pro-Am</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Withdrawing without notifying Northern Ontario PGA official</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Conduct/Language likely to injure the reputation of the ... Club or the Sponsor</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Removing ball from hole with club-head</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Throwing club</td><td> $500
</td></tr><tr><td>Withdrawing during tournament round</td><td> $200
</td></tr><tr><td>Hitting more than one ball onto green during practice</td><td> $100
</td></tr><tr><td>Not returning official scorecard</td><td> $100
</td></tr><tr><td>Not following Dress Code</td><td> $100 </tr></td></table>

All penalties will be doubled for a second offence and a third offence may lead to expulsion from competing in future Canadian PGA tournaments. Penalties apply to both championship rounds and all practice rounds.



Hmmmmmmmm..........Interesting chart. I also tried to ask at a local golf course and still waiting for directors input.

I'm not exactly sure , what or if the United States PGA rules, if any, varies much from the Canadian rules. Pretty Strict though.

I've searched but cannot find a real answer: What does it take to get the "Statistically Improbable Round" dropped from your rating record?? Is it 100 points below your rating or what?

it is 2.5 times your standard deviation or 100 points lower than your average, whichever is the higher number.

Whichever is the LOWER number. If 2.5SD for you is 80 points then any rounds more than 80 points below your rating will be dropped. If 2.5SD for you is 120, then any rounds more than 100 points below your rating will be dropped.

same thing, just depends on how you read it.

((2.5 times your standard deviation) or (100 points lower)) than your average, whichever is the higher number.

for 2.5SD = 80, 950 - 80 = 880, lower threshold = 880

for 2.5SD = 120, 950 - 120 = 830 and 950 - 100 = 850, lower threshold = 850. 850 > 830, so its the HIGHER number (if number meeans rating). :D

What's my SD? :confused:

What's my SD? :confused:


I am also no math wiz. How is SD calculated?
And thank you all for the help!

My_hero 'is' a deviate...though he be a non-standard one! :D

It's the STDEV function in Excel. Post your ratings in Column A starting in cell 1. In cell B1, enter this formula: =2.5*STDEV(A1:A200)

If you have rounds that are more than this amount lower than your rating, they will be dropped. If this number is greater than 100, then any rounds more than 100 points below your rating will be dropped. Recognize that we do this with your ratings as decimal numbers per hole so your calculations could be a point or so off from the official numbers.

We're not going to give out player's SD values and frankly we shouldn't even share this calculation because all it does is allow for potential manipulation by players.

Standard deviation is calculated by:
http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/stdev.jpg
where n is the number of rounds used in the calculation, and x is the rating for each round.

Thanks Chuck and Pat.

Looks like i have to shoot a 904 rated round or less in order for it to be dropped. :confused:

use the STDEVA function. STDEVA is used when the entire population is used for the sample. STDEV is only properly used when a subset of the entire population is included in the sample.

If you quit your tourn. because you don't want your rating to drop YOU are WEAK and you should just quit all together and take up funny golf where they care about junk like ratings. BE A MAN and own up to your 800 rating. If you don't want a bad rating play good. :p

I AM PROUD OF MY 825 RATING! :cool:

"Does the PGA or USGA , penalize for DNF's with fines or omissions from future events ?

"

didnt tiger woods leave the masters with a chance to win
he was a few strokes back and after his final round and then immediatley flew home.
meanwhile everybody ahead of him was choking and he ended up down by one struck behind of the leader who made a clutch putt on 18 to win or he would or shoudav been in a playoff with tiger woods
but they didnt penalize tiger in any way
even though he wouldof missed the playoff in one of golfs four majors.
i myself have never had a dnf round
ive had dnf tournaments but i always finished any round i started in any tournament
definetly would not dnf a tournament to preserve my rating though. i've been playing advanced since i started and am far from a bagger.
but i say if you pay to the enter the event and for whatever reason you just cant or dont want to play anymore then so be it. its your money.
we live in a world were anything can happen at anytime and a golf tournament is just a golf tournament in the grand scheme of things sometimes a person decides something else is more important then this golf tournament and will do what seems selfish or wrong but when you questions someones motives you often make an assume out of yourself.
golf is not a team sport

It all boils down to the elusive "Spirit of the Game". There are, of course, valid reasons for DNF'ing tournaments, and even rounds within tournaments, but to do so to preserve one's PDGA Player Rating is not one.

I am a firm believer that disc sports in general (and disc golf in particular) have a very strong "Spirit of the Game" (encompassing, among many other things, competition, fairness & honesty, comraderie, & the quest for FUN) that is an important component in what makes our sport what it is. Actions that defy this "Spirit" (such as cheating, tanking, and, IMHO, quitting to preserve a rating) damage not only the individual perpetrating them, but also the sport as a whole and all its players.

My $0.02. :)

Thank you!! Somebody Logical...and vegan boy...if someone quits a round of disc golf here in california...how does it affect you in VA? ...i'm gonna go eat a cheese burger now.... :D

:D Mmmmmmmmm.............

C'mon Greg you know what you did wasn't right and I bet that in the back of your mind it haunts you. :p

Standard deviation is calculated by:
http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/stdev.jpg
where n is the number of rounds used in the calculation, and x is the rating for each round.



Nice Variables !!!!! :D

this one happened to me: I was in a two-day tournament with a former world champion in my division. He had a good first round, then a bad second. He was last place in our division by a stroke or two. He never showed Sunday. He told the guys on my card he had hurt his back on Saturday. All fine but unfortunate. Now the wierd part... he was erased from the tourney as if he never played. When the results were posted on the pdga board not only did his Saturday rounds disappear, his name did not appear anywhere in the results. What's up with dat? :confused:

Those first two rounds should be reported. Contact Gentry at PDGA HQ if you feel things aren't being handled properly in this case.

Those first two rounds should be reported. Contact Gentry at PDGA HQ if you feel things aren't being handled properly in this case.



That's interesting..............in the past they usually state DNF and no round ratings were recorded.

There are many tournaments where the player can't or doesn't finish for some reason (valid or not) and we rate their earlier completed rounds. That's the way it should be once the entry fee has been paid and the player starts to play.

C'mon Greg you know what you did wasn't right and I bet that in the back of your mind it haunts you. :p

I know it hurts disc golfers everywhere....hahaha! WOOO!!! oh...man i make myself laugh...

No actually it helps us. We get to play with a guy rated 1007 who isn't a 1007 rated golfer so he brings our ratings up if we play with him. :D

So it is possible for someone to shoot a 1000+ rated round then DNF and that 1000+ round would still count and the others would not ?

That happens regularly at Pro Worlds due to injury or other reason when a player gets ratings for the early rounds and can't finish all of them.

Look at Steve Rico for example:
www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3659&amp;year=2006&amp;incl ude_ratings=1#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3659&amp;year=2006&amp;incl ude_ratings=1#Open)

Chuck, what happened to Michael Homan's 3rd round in that tournament? Did his score of 99 somehow register as a 999?

What tournament? Gentry needs to be contacted to change numbers if they're wrong.

The one you listed above, '03 Pro Worlds.

Homan's 3rd round score is a 99 (which may be correct if he had a bad day on the Mountain), but there is no rating listed for that round.
Same thing for Selinske's 127 also on the 3rd round.

Maybe the rating was thrown out for being too far below his average??? Or maybe lots of penalty strokes for late arrival, and therefore the ratings aren't valid????

Perhaps both the 99 and the 127 should have been 999 with no rating. I think that was when we were just starting the 999 procedure and some results might not have been updated to reflect that.

No, they both have valid 4th rounds, so they didn't drop out of the tournament; 999 would definetly be incorrect.

I don't know then. However, I seem to remember when the online ratings was getting set up, if a round was excluded, the rating didn't show up. Unless they haven't played in a few years, those rounds wouldn't be part of their current rating anyway.