What discs or discs were the most disappointment for you? I am talking about discs that you thought would work really well for you, but instead they just caused frustration.

Mine are:

Non-proto element-x: These were not as stable as the protos were.

dx gator: I thought it was going to be slightly more overstable than a roc but alas i was wrong.

Champ Spider: Just never got the feel for the rim and thus I couldn't throw it consistantly.

CE Eagle: I thought it was going to be a straight flying disc for me, but instead I just couldn't get it to fly straight.

Pro Orc: Not a good disc for wooded holes. More high speed understable than the champ orc. Pro plastic not durable so eventually it turned into a backhand turnover/roller.

My biggest disappointment was the Blow Fly putter. I thought it would be nice to have something soft that doesn't roll, but the Blow Fly rolls just like any other disc and the flight plate gets bent out of shape by trees way fast.

I also have a Gator and it seems to be as advertised. It acts a lot like my Roc but more overstable.

Candy Archangel: thought it would be the one. Turned out way to overstable.

Candy Cobra: thought it would be the one. The Holy Grail of a candy straight-to-turnover mid-range. Turned out way to overstable.

CE Eagles. Pure junk.

CE Eagles.



i'll take them off your hands

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CE Eagles. Pure junk.



Z Buzz I loved it for a week stocked up on them and then hated them.

Pro Starfires- TOO flippy

CE Eagles- kicked ARSE :D

Z Buzz I loved it for a week stocked up on them and then hated them.



Got any 1st Runs that you hate???

Because if you do Ill take them off your hands :D

Z Buzz I loved it for a week stocked up on them and then hated them.



Got any 1st Runs that you hate???

I gave some away but there may still be some around

Because if you do Ill take them off your hands :D

CE eagle is my go to disc for a straight 350 shot. You guys are smoking.

CE Eagles. Pure junk.



Pro Starfires- TOO flippy


Throw them higher.

CE Eagles.



i'll take them off your hands

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I disposed of them properly already. :p

riptide... what a piece

EXP... Flew great for about 3 rounds then it went lame on me.

X-Clone and Cyclone2 - were touted as a more durable and more stable than Cyclone, which beat up readily and often shattered. (This was long before CE plastic) The Cyclone was THE distance disc of the time, but these discs turned out to be too overstable, had little glide, and flew nothing like the Cyclone.

KC Firebird - flippy piece of garbage that Innova should have never released under the Firebird name. Firebirds are supposed to be overstable discs that can handle the strongest headwinds and this disc turned over faster than a cheap hooker.

DX Archangel - was billed as the successor to the DX Valkyrie and an improvement on that disc. If anything, the Archangel flew worse; you got neither increased distance nor predictibility.

Champion Archangel - As previously mentioned, this POS flew nothing like its DX counterpart. Flies about as far as someone can throw a shot put.

APX Swirl - Was billed as a gummier APX. For putting and short approaches, the APX was an excellent disc. I thought the Swirl was horrible as an approach disc.

Epic - was way overhyped and supposedly would revolutionize disc golf. Its shortcomings have been discussed ad nauseum.

Quarter K - production delays caused mass overhyping. Designed by an aerodynamics genius, it was apparently manufactured without the benefit of anyone who knew anything about disc manufacturing. The finished product does not have the intended flight characteristics as the prototypes and seemingly weak plastic.

Z Putt'r

It feels so good in your hand, and is great in dead calm situations, but once the wind kicks up to 1 mph it's out of control...at least for me.

CE Eagles. Pure junk.

Give them to me.

CE Eagles. Pure junk.



Pro Starfires- TOO flippy


Throw them higher.



...which would not be a golf shot now would it? :o

hydra, epic, arrow.

CE Eagles. Pure junk.

Give them to me.



back off. i asked first

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My right arm. This POS is way overstable. I must have been a convict in a former life cause it's only good for shanks.

The Pro Starfire is an awesome distance disc. In fact i got a couple brand new ones just for distance comp. But, i would never throw them in a round because one or two trees and it is a roller disc, and there arent any holes wide open enough to just crush around here. I guess its dissappointing how fast they lose their stability.

My biggest Dissapointments so far have been:
- Any proline(old champion) or Champion Beast other than the first one i found. They were all flippy and inconsitent.. The first one i found was overstable like a firebird.
- Production Z-buzzz.. The first runs were the best thing EVER(even better than the KC pro 11x Teebirds), but the Production runs were domey and ******* as hell. Only the flat runs are close to good in comparison to first runs.
-Pro Orc.... Dented it on first tree that i hit 300feet away and it warped forever.. THrew it in the woods at a field and never bothered to look for it.
- Crystal Challenger - thought i liked it at first, but then i came across a JK Aviar-x and sold all my Cryztals.

i think that's about it from what i can remember.

-Scott Lewis

champ viking was also a disappointment for me

biggest disappointment:

having to pay $50 for a champion roc.. I'd rather have a $10 coyote or buzz.
starfire - turns over and is unpredictable
venom - got rid of this thing after one day
quarter k - not horrible, but like everyone else said - needs better plastic

Just about every putter I've owned I've been disappointed with.

Pro Starfires- TOO flippy



You must be joking..Its the best disc out there!

Maybe those of you who can keep the Starfire from flipping don't throw with the snap the rest of us do. EVERY time. Its like it was meant to flip like a suffocating fish... :D

could just be poor mechanics? Don't say that others don't produce as much "snap" as you... stupid point to make.. The disc can get to it's location a number of ways and what you call snap could be bad wrist roll or something else.
Not trying to insult or get aggressive, but just wanted to offer some sort of retort.


-Scott Lewis

You seem rather insulting when you say Red Hair makes a stupid point. Why would you feel compelled to offer a retort to a post that makes perfect sense. Unlike yours which makes none.

Pro Starfires- TOO flippy



You must be joking..Its the best disc out there!



It's flippy when you throw all gateway but I did like the CFR starfires :D

The Dx Viking. and Dx orc. to highspeed understable for me. same with pro orcs and pro starfire .i can sometimes get some being drives with my strfire. just not consitant

CE Eagles. Pure junk.



Pro Starfires- TOO flippy


Throw them higher.


Depends on the hole being played.

...which would not be a golf shot now would it? :o

X-Clone and Cyclone2 - were touted as a more durable and more stable than Cyclone, which beat up readily and often shattered. (This was long before CE plastic)...weak plastic.



I knew you were going to spend your honeymoon on the PDGA message board.

CE Eagles. Pure junk.



Pro Starfires- TOO flippy


Throw them higher.



...which would not be a golf shot now would it? :o



How is it you have to throw a Sabre to get any distance out of it again? ;)

My biggest disappointment so far has been the Illusion. A Spirit is better for me into the wind and for hyzers and the Pro Starfire and Viking are both better with the wind and in calm conditions. It's an interesting design, but too overstable and its flight is too close to a Spirit's for me.

I can see how a pro starfire can be flippy for some poeople. Once that disc hits a few tree it is quite unstable. It will still finish off to the left(RHBH) but it will go to the left more than it did when it was brand new.

Blowfly - though it was great for when I hit metal and missed because it just stayed at the basket, it was a lousy putter if the wind was greater then 0 mph.

Anything in the Innova Pro plastic - yes it is grippy, but throw DX, it is cheaper and more consistent. When the pro discs hit trees most became understable after the first hit. The Super Rocs, which have a small blend of champion plastic in them I believe held up great for about 5-6months, but then all of a sudden became too flippy for a big arm.

I knew you were going to spend your honeymoon on the PDGA message board.



Can't you read my signature file? I got back from Europe last Sunday, douchebag.

How is it you have to throw a Sabre to get any distance out of it again?

My biggest disappointment so far has been the Illusion. A Spirit is better for me into the wind and for hyzers and the Pro Starfire and Viking are both better with the wind and in calm conditions. It's an interesting design, but too overstable and its flight is too close to a Spirit's for me.





But how many people get Sabres and expect huge distance out of them? For me, and most others, its a fairway driver that CAN go far if forced to.

How is it you have to throw a Sabre to get any distance out of it again?

My biggest disappointment so far has been the Illusion. A Spirit is better for me into the wind and for hyzers and the Pro Starfire and Viking are both better with the wind and in calm conditions. It's an interesting design, but too overstable and its flight is too close to a Spirit's for me.





But how many people get Sabres and expect huge distance out of them? For me, and most others, its a fairway driver that CAN go far if forced to.



So, I'll go back to the GDS website and tell Dave M. that he was wrong for suggesting that I try thowing my Sabres higher because that wouldn't be a "golf shot."

My biggest disc disappointment was the "American Made" disc by Rob Zombie (http://www.robzombie.com) , formerly a great punk rocker. I put it on the turntable and it was freaking DISCO!!!!!!

The Element and the Illusion. These two discs were so hyped by all the Gateway guys. I threw them about 4 times each. Didn't like the feel. The element was too understable and the illusion was too overstable with a weird shallow rim.

Also the Aerobie Epic turned out to be an unpredictable piece of trash. One minute it's an overstable fast driver, the next minute it's a roller.

By the way, I threw a maximizer from little flyer, it's super duper flippy brand new. Might be good for a 12 yr old girl, but if you throw over 175' it will likely be too understable for you.

The Element and the Illusion. These two discs were so hyped by all the Gateway guys. I threw them about 4 times each. Didn't like the feel. The element was too understable and the illusion was too overstable with a weird shallow rim.

Also the Aerobie Epic turned out to be an unpredictable piece of trash. One minute it's an overstable fast driver, the next minute it's a roller.

By the way, I threw a maximizer from little flyer, it's super duper flippy brand new. Might be good for a 12 yr old girl, but if you throw over 175' it will likely be too understable for you.



you must be mistaken, on the illusion having a weird shallow rim, and I will go out on a limb and tell you it will take more than five throws to figure out the gateway drivers.

The Element and the Illusion. These two discs were so hyped by all the Gateway guys. I threw them about 4 times each. Didn't like the feel. The element was too understable and the illusion was too overstable with a weird shallow rim.

Also the Aerobie Epic turned out to be an unpredictable piece of trash. One minute it's an overstable fast driver, the next minute it's a roller.

By the way, I threw a maximizer from little flyer, it's super duper flippy brand new. Might be good for a 12 yr old girl, but if you throw over 175' it will likely be too understable for you.



The element is only understable if you have turbulance in your throw and depending on what plastic the illusion was in determines how Beefy it will be. H-slightly overstable s-really overstable until broken in. :o

What kind of plastic was your Element. My guess is it was S cos those things are some of the flippiest discs I have seen. In E they aren't anywhere near overstable but do hold a great line with little effort. But then to each his own I guess...

scootz,
when do you come back home? I need to get with you on some technique issues

Both discs were in S plastic. Regardless of stability they both felt odd in my hand. I think the rim was just too shallow for my taste. I prefer the feel of a coyote, spider, roc or buzz in the mid range and a flash or orc in the driver.

Both discs were in S plastic. Regardless of stability they both felt odd in my hand. I think the rim was just too shallow for my taste. I prefer the feel of a coyote, spider, roc or buzz in the mid range and a flash or orc in the driver.



You do know that the rim on the element is the same depth and length as a roc right? Also the illusion is slightly longer on the wing thann an orc and flash

So, I'll go back to the GDS website and tell Dave M. that he was wrong for suggesting that I try thowing my Sabres higher because that wouldn't be a "golf shot."



There is a big difference in throwing a Sabre higher for a little more distance and throwing a Pro Starfire higher for distance....the Sabre goes farther on pretty much the same line where as the Starfire does the big "S" thing...again, not really a golf shot. Height is good for some shots...but using height to make a Starfire flex out is not too much of a golf shot...it may go really far and be somewhat predicatble, but in the end its not a golf shot.

So, I'll go back to the GDS website and tell Dave M. that he was wrong for suggesting that I try thowing my Sabres higher because that wouldn't be a "golf shot."



There is a big difference in throwing a Sabre higher for a little more distance and throwing a Pro Starfire higher for distance....the Sabre goes farther on pretty much the same line where as the Starfire does the big "S" thing...again, not really a golf shot. Height is good for some shots...but using height to make a Starfire flex out is not too much of a golf shot...it may go really far and be somewhat predicatble, but in the end its not a golf shot.



I disagree.

So, I'll go back to the GDS website and tell Dave M. that he was wrong for suggesting that I try thowing my Sabres higher because that wouldn't be a "golf shot."



There is a big difference in throwing a Sabre higher for a little more distance and throwing a Pro Starfire higher for distance....the Sabre goes farther on pretty much the same line where as the Starfire does the big "S" thing...again, not really a golf shot. Height is good for some shots...but using height to make a Starfire flex out is not too much of a golf shot...it may go really far and be somewhat predicatble, but in the end its not a golf shot.



How do you know he was suggesting a big 'S' shot? Perhaps he was suggesting trying to throw a little higher to gain some stability to get an all around more overstable flight. I know if you throw a Pro Starfire very hard, flat, low and nose down it won't respond as well as if you back off a little and throw a bit higher (10'-15' rather than 5'-8')...especally after it's broken in a little bit.

I can't do it consistantly, but I have gotten a Pro Starfire out to 400' a couple of times and not once has it been on a big 'S' curve type shot. They just stall out when I try that. They've all been very straight hyzer flips that rose higher than my normal ~350' shot.

If you find the Pro Starfire dissapointing then that's perfectly fine. It is a bit understable and not everyone likes that. From what I understand it's also different from what Innova had previouly been calling the Starfire. But claiming that any advice given to throw Gateway discs is OK, but the same advice given to throw an Innova disc must be wrong is flat out ignorant. Not all high speed drivers are as nose angle and height dependent as the ones Gateway puts out.

DDH is biased and most of his opinions on this sort of subject carry little or no merit. What constitutes a golf shot to him does not have the same meaning for most of us.

BTW - the high S bomb is a golf shot everywhere that I have played.

My pro-plastic Teebird-L. It just kept flipping over and going right(RHBH). Finally it landed on someones house and I left it.

DDH is biased and most of his opinions on this sort of subject carry little or no merit. What constitutes a golf shot to him does not have the same meaning for most of us.

BTW - the high S bomb is a golf shot everywhere that I have played.



Its not that I'm hugely biased, in fact its just a misunderstanding...I thought he was trying to use more height for maximum distance...which is not a golf shot...did not realize he was trying to throw the thing on a line...my bad. Just b/c I throw Gateway does not make me hate everything else by comparison...I am a student of the game like most of you and enjoy knowing about the game and its equipment regardless of who makes it.

Once again, my bad...not hatin', just misunderstood.

Once again, my bad...not hatin', just misunderstood.



There seem to be a lot of those.

Champion Aviar
Z - Magnet

Slippery when wet

I love/hate/obsess this game! :confused:

The accuracy of the ratings!

The accuracy of the ratings!



Lightning plastic that does not float !!!!! :eek:

Biggest Disappointments



This thread.

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Most of the innova discs produced after the cheetah/Gazelle era were very flat. The reecent trends though in their discs seems to be towards making them a little more domey, similiar to the sabre. I believe the 1st was the arcangel/dragon which resembled the apache.
If I'm not mistaken the pro starfires look like a domey version of the Beast.
As they began to make discs more domier(sidewinder), players will be able to throw them higher with out the fade.
I guess Chris was making his comments in regards to the pre domey discs from innova, valk/firebird/beast/orc.
He probably hasnt thrown many shots with the pro starfire.
I havent either but I can pretty much tell how a disc will fly from just looking at it.
If you throw any of the older flatter discs too high they have a tendancy to fade left quicker than a domier disc like the sabre will.

Exactly...I've only seen these discs when other people throw them, and make my opinions on that...sorry, I just don't enough exposure I guess.