Ok. This question is obviously a very noob-like question and I'm sure it's been asked before, but I think it'd be hard to find the answers I'm looking for in a search.

Anyways. Back to the question. "Why Hyzer?"
I ask because most discs fade left at the end of flight (with RHBH) Seems to me you'd want to throw flat & right & finish left....
But with a hyzer, if you start the disc going left, won't it stay left? I've read about it "flipping" but don't know what they mean.

Help me understand :D

Ok. This question is obviously a very noob-like question and I'm sure it's been asked before, but I think it'd be hard to find the answers I'm looking for in a search.

Anyways. Back to the question. "Why Hyzer?"
I ask because most discs fade left at the end of flight (with RHBH) Seems to me you'd want to throw flat & right & finish left....
But with a hyzer, if you start the disc going left, won't it stay left? I've read about it "flipping" but don't know what they mean.

Help me understand :D



Has to do with Aerodynamics , my friend.
Also , how beat up , the disc you are throwing.

And the amount of velocity and spin of your projectile !!!!!!

I use the word Projectile for MAX weight Discs.

Lighter weight disc's Float in the Air longer !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Flipping your disc ( puting Anhyzer on it ) is a way to turn a very stable disc , over. Some call it " Rolling you Wrist ".

Hope that helps some !!!!!

sometimes you want discs to go extremley left but not just in the air.. throwing on a hyzer angle is easier then just throwing a stalled out "new player" shot.

Flipping a disc would refer to throwing it on a hyzer angle and having it "flip" back up to flat or even a turnover(goes to the right as a right backhand).

-Scott Lewis

hyzer is just one option on any hole. in some cases it's the best option. other times it's the worst.

i think the "flip" you are referring to is a disc's understable tendencies. example: throwing right hand back hand with hyzer on a disc that will "flip" flat and end up flying straight (no longer to the left, as it was headed right after the hyzer release). if the same disc was released with no hyzer on it, like flat for example, it would turn to the right (not straight). understable plastic often needs to be thrown with hyzer to compensate for its wanting to do a high speed turn. just like overstable plastic often needs an anhyzer release to compensate for its low speed fade. just like you need to throw neutral discs flat to compensate for not compensating for anything else. then you think about the tricky possibilities of navigating your disc through trees and around trouble to the basket and it gets way more complicated... you need hyzer, anhyzer, and flat release angles and be able to do them all with understable, overstable, and neutral plastic. then figure all that out sidearm and you got a world of unique possibilities that will help you get to the basket smart. ye olde hyzer is just one trick in the bag!

Sometimes you just need the disc to go left and don't have a disc with the exact stability to follow the line you really want. If that's what you're looking for, make sure to experiment with different nose angles, too. Don't be afraid to throw a hyzer with the nose up. Here's a good article about nose angles:

http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/articles/angles.shtml

If you're talking about throwing a disc with a hyzer angle, but want it to go straight you can try searching the forums for the phrase "hyzer flip." I think there was a thread about it a while ago. There's also part of an article about it here:

http://www.gdstour.com/articles/fly3.html

hyzer is the most predictable to me

I'm a relatively new player, was rec for 2 years, playing almost everyday now. I'm not good enough yet, but some of the league players I've seen perform this technique flawlessly. if the basket is behind some trees or around a bend, they'll throw the disc completely hyzer - it makes a large arc coming in around the obstacles and giving the shooter a better look for a put or approach, something much harder to do than with a straight shot. Doesn't work so well when I try it.

While I'm more of the 'make the disc do what I need' camp than the 'have the disc that does what I need' camp, on long sweeping hyzers, or spike hyzers, or any shot that doesn't ever really go level, I've found that lots of practice with lots of discs really helps. That's just one of those shots that having the right disc really helps. I've had the best luck executing a sweep hyzer with a talon. Next in line is my 175 gram avenger, and finally my venom. The venom cuts sharper than the other 2, but I can throw it harder without flipping it up. I use the venom when I need a long shot that turns hard at the end. I can achieve the same thing with the talon by throwing it level and hard, but pretty nose up. the avenger will come up to almost level, but contunue to hyzer a little, then turn back and finish.

Newbees throw hyzer.

i put off replying to this post for a bit but since no one mentioned certain things i will give my input on it.

reasons why people throw hyzers

1) greater margin for error in execution
-you will not always release the disc exactly as you would like to. most players will typically have a couple of degrees of "play" in their release. when you try to throw a hyzer and "error" the most common slipup is to add a few more degrees of hyzer angle. when trying to throw flat or anhyzer, the typical slipup is to add a few degrees of anhyzer. a shot thrown with more hyzer angle is still hyzer... it will curve from right to left... that is, you know how it will fly. when trying to throw flat or anhyzer and you throw anhyzer... the flight you will achieve is much less predictable. you don't know how much it will turn, if it will come back, will it roll, etc. in most cases, making a mistake during a hyzer is much less painful than a mistake when throwing flat/anhyzer.

2) more predictable finish
-two things to note: a) a predictable finish = the disc finishes curving to the left and b) the disc's "nose" is the part of the disc facing in line with the velocity vector and changes as the disc changes direction. with those two things in mind, first off, hyzers are more predictable since they are a shot that is generally intended to fade left at the end. secondly, hyzer flip s-curves are more likely to finish to the left than anhyzers or flat shots (this is especially true into headwinds). one of the important things in knowing if a turned disc will fade is the position of the disc immediately to the left of the "nose." anhyzers and torque (wrist rolls, etc.) can often over-turn discs to where the section directly to the left of the nose is still nose down and anhyzer, thus requiring greater amounts of height and carry for the disc to level off and fade out. a hyzer flip that gets turned over will generally have the bare minimum angle to the left of the nose required for the disc to hold its turned line. translation: hyzer flips are more likely to fade after being turned over.

3) easier to execute mechanically
-it is generally accepted that to achieve maximum power you need to keep the disc close to your body during the pull. due to body mechanics and disc orientation, it is easier to keep the disc close to your body during a hyzer. the natural tendency for most players during an anhyzer is to get the disc farther out and sap their power. even a well executed flat throw has the disc farther away since the disc itself has width keeping it away from your body, whereas with an 80 degree knife hyzer you can have the disc substantially closer. when the disc is closer this allows for greater elbow extension and more potential snap.

forgot to mention one...

4) a hyzer flip with an understable disc that will not turn when it reaches flat (only a few discs out there behave this way, a broken in dx teebird is one of them) is the straightest possible shot. if you throw flat with a stable disc and the disc doesn't turn, you have quite a bit of fade to contend with. if you are throwing an overstable disc the disc will have to turn in order to battle the fade, increasing the amount of width you need to work with in both directions.

this type of behavior is probably most noticeable with a very broken in roc. throw hyzer and straight out, flip up, ride flat, finish flat.

I have a buddy who can do it with several discs. Most notably, Sting Rays (Champion) and Leopards (SE). He also does it with his Discraft Z Express.
He is the only player at my local who can throw a disc RHBH laser straight that finishes with a slight right hand fade.

I have a JLS that does that !!!!!

I have a JLS that does that !!!!!



I have a JLS that does that, and if I throw my stratus with some extreme hyzer, it'll end up going straight for a while (200 feet) then fade right(another 20 feet or so, both forward and right)