Example: A short hole that bends to the right (with some obstacle preventing a direct os hyzer approach) towards the end of the fairway.

What disc(s) do you use and how do you throw. I have a lot of trouble with consistency on this shot. I throw rhbh. I use a putter for this shot most of the time..maybe a roc/buzz if it's a little longer.

I've been using my beat in H wizard. Works great for this kind of shot.

Also been using a beat in S Element X when its in the 250 - 300 range

putters a good choice. also try a glide, or even a breeze. the breeze is quite understable, and may not be super useful for other shots. the glide on the other hand will hold annie, flat and hyzer lines.

or better yet, throw a two finger (forehand)

I agree with the learn the sidearm comment. A sidearm hyzer is less likely to roll away than a backhand anhyzer, which is even more important when the hole is on a slope in back of that bend.

beat up putter if you need it to glide, forehand if you need it to hyzer quick.

depends on the hole in question. but more often than not it's just a chickenwing with a roc

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three options for me....

flippy putter thrown flat and let anny (nothing blocking stance)

Straight flying putter with anny (more obstacles to the left - this way the disc is forced over)

Thumber

putters a good choice. also try a glide, or even a breeze. the breeze is quite understable, and may not be super useful for other shots. the glide on the other hand will hold annie, flat and hyzer lines.

or better yet, throw a two finger (forehand)



Yep. I carry a breeze for short annie shots, and a glide for long ones. The breeze has the advantage of not carrying as much, so slight overpowering isn't going to bite you in the bum(overshot a 200 foot hole by about 100 feet with a glide once).

And for those questioning it, the glide can be easily thrown 300 feet on an annie line. GIve it a little air and a lot of spin and it'll just stay annie forever.

options i think of in this situation.

overstable midrange (wasp, champion roc... even a buzz) with some solid anhyzer angle on it from the start. these start out right and may finish straight.

understable midrange (stingray, stratus, glide... some beat in dx stuff) released slightly hyzer so it has to flip up and turn right. you can make these shots start straight (or even left) then finish to the right.

i do whatever i'm feeling at the moment... or whatever the better line is. i prefer to throw these shots high but if i'm forced to go low i will opt for an overstable disc thrown low with anhyzer. my 2 cents.

130-200 feet I would either throw a putter, Blowfly (if it can't roll), MRV or my S Sabre. I have been having great luck with the Sabre holding any line for a while.

If I was closer to 200-250 feet I would probably throw my Buzzzz..

I just started throwing the Glide, but I bet it would do pretty good for this. Just be careful about the distance on it. I too have had the blowby problem already with the Glide. I think it will finally replace my MRV one day though.

STRATUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

An experienced X MRV is my go to anhyzer disc at that range, but really a sidearm is much more predictable once you get the hang of it.

Unless you really practice it and know your disc well - an anhyzer line is tough to execute consistently.

If you haven't learned to throw a sidearm shot take the time to do so. It will really improve your scores. It did wonders for my game when I first started.

--D

STRATUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D



this guy knows what he's talkin' about. this is a throw that I actually do quite well and stratuses are ideal -- for longer throws, aim up a little bit. throw smooth and flat and it won't dig in and roll. sidearm is great for straight with right turn at the end. anhyzer is the way to go for the gradual turnover.

I would use a ching stinger or a breeze. If it were futher say 225 and up I would use a glide. I agree with the other person that a glide can be thrown 300ft on a anny line pretty easily.

I use a Champion Panther. This disc holds an anhyzer line perfect and has been my real go to disc.

Depends on what KIND of Anyhyzer but either a beat D Buzzz a beat D Challenger or a Z Flick :D

Champion stingray, 166 grams.

Old school small bead Aviar. Throw it with anny and it will do the rest. If there's stuff in the way so there's no anny line or too tight to feel comfortable with, tomahawk it up and over so it pancakes and slides on its dome.

the shot you are describing is one of the more difficult shots to execute as a backhand, so having a sidearm or good thumber is helpful.

as for backhand disc choices, it depends a lot on how much available height you have to work with and how straight of a flight you need before the turn.

generally when faced with this i will cycle through the options in this order:
1) anhyzer with stable putter
2) hyzer flip with very beat, flippy midrange
3) roll curve (late turn forced by torque) with beat putter
4) lower altitude roll curve with stable midrange
5) controlled roller with understable driver or midrange.

i believe a thumber or sidearm is easier to execute than any of these shots.

100-200 storm
200-300 stratus
250-350 glide
300-400 kc pro Chetah

:D

I can already tell you have way to many discs in your bag :D

Like the others said, learn a forehand. It's much more predictable and easier to park on a shot like this. All it takes is a little toss at the right angle. I'd use a Wasp.

A gradual anny is hard to throw with a side arm. It has a tendency to go straight for awhile before it makes the hook. Not saying it cant be done but I throw Side arm alot and my BH annys are alot more controlable than trying to make a side arm do a big hyzer. For side arm you have to throw it kinda high with alot of hyzer. This is not good in low ceiling environments. It also takes alot of D off your shot.

Learn all and you be the judge. I throw every which way.

Like the others said, learn a forehand. It's much more predictable and easier to park on a shot like this. All it takes is a little toss at the right angle. I'd use a Wasp.



not all are able to throw sidearm > 200' (i am prevented due to elbow injuries but i am a proponent of being able to throw both ways). i think the key factor is, if you can throw both backhand and sidearm, is to be able to throw both the sidearm hyzer and backhand turnover shots well. i often see a lot of players default to a sidearm throw on shots that would be easier to execute as a backhand, but they do not have that particular shot in their bag.

i guess to put it simply... a good sidearm is no excuse for a crappy anhyzer/turnover :)
in some situations where you need a late, gentle turn, it's easier to throw a hyzer flip turnover backhand than a straight hyzer sidearm.

I totally agree. Gotta have them all. The differences on the courses are to great to not have every shot in the bag, Now get to Work!!!!

I agree with both of you (Blake and Grunion). I'm envisioning a hole where the preffered flight path is a half moon, (Hole 11 at Plymouth Creek, MN) and I DO tend to need a higher ceiling on shots like this (forehand). My BH anny has gotten a lot more controllable this year and I am finding I use the forehand less...even to the point of losing my feel for it :(. I tend to turn my wasp over badly sometimes and she don't return. In the same vain you really have to know your disc on a BH anny or you risk going past if it straightens out at the end. I would use my beat DX Hawk for this shot. When you have both shots it's fun to toss one each way and see what happens. I guess I need to learn a roll curve and a roller yet so I can take 4 shots at it. I think it has been said before "throw what you know, and know what you throw". If it did what I wanted it to every time, I wouldn't be sitting here.

I'd throw a DX Cobra anny shot .. and just slide it right in there. It's only roll if you get the shot too high, and the glide is good enough that you won't have to.

IMO, anybody that is throwing backhand anhyzer shots between 130-200 ft. with mid-ranges and drivers is using way too much disc. That is the perfect distance for a putter approach. Personally, I use the Aero. Released with a lot of hyzer and a little snap, this old-school disc will quickly turn over and predictably produce a lovely slow anhyzer flight with good distance control. Mid-ranges and drivers do not yield similar control, imo.

Throwing sidearm from that distance is a different story. With good technique, I guess a golfer could still use a putter approach but I think an overstable driver will yield better control for most people.

blake:
me too.

Depending on your distance ability and the slope of the ground that you intend to land on.

For sloped ground;

Side arm with a putter or midrange (stable/straight)
Anhyzer with an overstable putter or midrange (the stability should let the disc flatten out.

Level ground or when you don't care about roll-away's;

Understable putter or midrange

I found that putters are the easiest discs to throw sidearm, since they are the closest to a lid, where most of us learned to throw.

Personally, I like anhyzer approaches in that range, they are amongst my favorite to practice. Side arm, backhand, over or understable, which ever you choose you should practice these approaches from that distance so that you have drop in putts afterward.

Cobra. That sounds right to me. I have two really beat up discs in my bag....a DX Cobra and a DX Cobra Classic. Great for turning right and not coming back where altitude is a problem.

I've been experimenting with a DX Leopard for a longer flight (out past 180'). The disc is more consistent than me :)

Try a Champion Viking or Champion Coyote !!!

Try a Champion Viking or Champion Coyote !!!



Viking? Thats a driver. The best discs for this shot are slow/stable midranges such as the Element or QMS and wherever possible a putter. I say Wizard :D, but any will work.

Very simple.
1) find a field.
2) buy/borrow/steal/take out of your bag an EXPRESS
3) throw left handed until you feel comfortable.
4) go to a course, pick the RHBH annie hole.
5) throw a LHBH Hyer.

If you can throw 250-400 RH i would suggest learning to throw 200-300 LH.

Good suggestion for everyone I'm sure. Personally, I'd probably look like a monkey screwing a football trying to throw lefty.

Very simple.
1) find a field.
2) buy/borrow/steal/take out of your bag an EXPRESS
3) throw left handed until you feel comfortable.
4) go to a course, pick the RHBH annie hole.
5) throw a LHBH Hyer.

If you can throw 250-400 RH i would suggest learning to throw 200-300 LH.




There are some holes you just cant get to with a hyzer. Whether its rhbh or lhbh. Sometimes to get to the pin you MUST throw an annie :D I think the Anhyzer is one of the harderst shots in the game. I also think its one of the coolest shots as well.

There are some holes you just cant get to with a hyzer. Whether its rhbh or lhbh. Sometimes to get to the pin you MUST throw an annie I think the Anhyzer is one of the harderst shots in the game. I also think its one of the coolest shots as well.

This is so true. So many holes I used to think were lefty holes I now realize are not because I'm throwing lefty. If the route starts curving right immediately off the tee, it is really a righty annie. On the other hand, the other point is good too. I'm learning to throw lefty as quickly as I learned to throw forehand and it is good for your back to throw with both arms.

a lefty backhand hyzer flip will take a similer line to a righty backhand anhyzer. i've stepped up to several holes wondering if i should sidearm anhyzer, or backhand hyzer flip...
the kind of hyzer flip i'm talking about is starting it out big time hyzer and finishing straight (or turning over)

NOW YOU ASKED Anhyzer shots between 130-200
If i want to lay up i throw a putter...

If i want to run it i throw a RYHN0....

If fairway is real tight i throw a sidearm...

putter or flick for sure!!!!!

Noone has mentioned Lightning's slicer discs. For me I can throw these discs and they will perform as if I just threw an overstable disc left handed or sidearm.

I really don't like throwing side arm and my lefthanded shots are so pathetic that its embarassing. So these discs work really well for me since rhbh is my only good throw.

Ive thrown sting rays, putters and other understable discs that are similiar and they just don't have the same flight path. I havn't thrown any innova or discraft discs that compare to the slice.

Someone mentioned shots like #11 at plymouth creek. That one I could probably swing with a putter, but check out # 14 at acorn park

http://www.playdg.com/acorn/?h=14

This one is a little tighter. I've tried it with a putter or midrange, but it never works out as well as the Lightning slice #3 which I hit pretty dead on with.

Hole 11 at P. Creek Mn, I throw a forehand skip off the ground about 75 ft. ahead, or at the turn right. Backhand anny The disc comes back at the end at goes down the walk path behind the hole. Making it a tough comeback 2. Do you play league there on thursdays. Theres been a ace or more every week, I think?

Saw this one aced by Jason Linnet first shot of tourny and group. Backhand with putter anhyzer.

At the Acorn open 2004.

A beat up putter thrown with a slight hyzer angle, with a little snap will float to the right. If your putter is stable you can throw a tight little s'er or just put a little anhyzer on it. Another really good disc for this shot would be a comet. After a comet gets broken in you can throw it flat with little snap and it will float on an anhyzer line.

Hole 11 at P. Creek Mn, I throw a forehand skip off the ground about 75 ft. ahead, or at the turn right. Backhand anny The disc comes back at the end at goes down the walk path behind the hole. Making it a tough comeback 2. Do you play league there on thursdays. Theres been a ace or more every week, I think?



I totally agree that a forehand is a much better choice for this particular hole. I think the fact that the hill falls away to the back and has very little grass on it makes it worse. Even if the disc stays annie to the basket, it likes to roll away.

No, I haven't made it to Plymouth for league this year, but I did quite a bit last year. I have hit Basset Creek a couple times though.