I am new to the sport and have so far tried the shark, roc and cobra. All with mixed results, although I did throw an ace on my home course with the roc(super short hole). ;)

What midrange discs do you like to carry and why? Try to be specific about weights and the wear on the disc.

a beat to hell dx roc used for wooded holes, and straight to right mids
an almost new 174 dx roc used for some woods holes that need to go perfectly straight or left
a new 174 Z wasp for short drives which need to go slightly left
an old but still in good shape 174 g5i demon for short drives or mids that need to go sharp left

I currently carry 2 180+ gram E Elements for straight to turnover shots, 1 176g E Element-X and 1 173g S Element-X for straight to hyzer shots, 1 175g Demon for strong headwind and strong hyzer shots and I sometimes use my 172g beat in S Blaze for headwind shots and longer, low hyzer midrange shots. I have two Elements and two Element-X's so that I have backups. I'd really like to get into the rotation of having a new, beat and thrashed version of a midrange, but I've been focusing on other aspects of my game recently and haven't had the chance to really work that out yet. Plus, the last S Element-X I had took so long to beat in that I lost it before it got at all understable.

With the exception of the Blaze, which I also use for some longer shots too, most of the discs are fairly new. I've been finding that I'm gravitating twards Wizards for many midrange shots (up to 280') where I have a high ceiling and only really need the midranges for low ceiling shots. I'll either throw a Sabre low or throw a flex shot with a very overstable disc to get those 280'-320' holes and on the courses I play that doesn't come up much. Throwing midranges has been a weak point for me and I really should learn to throw them better.

I also found that I didn't really have the need for dedicated midrange discs until I was throwing over 300' or so. Before that there wasn't much of a gap between how far I could throw a putter and how far I threw my drivers accurately (I'd just throw them lower to get less distance). Now that I'm throwing Wizards farther, I'm struggling to find where my midranges fit in again.

171 DX Gremlin for straight/turnover shots that I can throw hard
172 ProLine Gremlin for slight left-turn shots that I can throw hard
167 beat DX Rox for turnover touchier shots
167 new DX Rox for straight/left turn touchier shots & touch forehands
169 Champion Whippet for extreme hard turns & major wind (FH & BH)

180 g. beaten dx roc - strait shots in woods or turnovers
180 g. semi beaten super roc - strait shots
178 g. Z-wasp - strait shots with wind in the face or slight hyzers without.

7 rocs

from overstable to understable

: ) :

179g dx roc - newish - straight to left, hyzers, headwinds, flex shots, straight downhill
179g dx roc - beat - straight, hyzers, turnovers that land flat, straight uphill
179g dx roc - super beat - straight, long right curves, rollers, straight uphill
179g dx san marino roc - super duper beat - straight, hyzer flip turnovers, rollers, late right turns, finesse turnovers

04 CE ROC - VERY overstable
Big Bird DX Roc - beat up, flies very straight
X-Comet - beat up for turnovers

174 Z-Wasp - hyzers, straights with slight left fade
174 Z-Buzz - straight straight straight straight
171 Z-Breeze - short anhyzers
172 Z-Glide - longer anhyzers
170 Ching Stinger - quick anhyzers
171 Wizard - upshots(150ft and in)

I carry a Pro D hawk 176g for turnovers and a 178 X Wasp for straight. I use these for about 320' and under. What I am missing right now is a drone. I hear those things are sick for hyzers + Headwind. :)

180g dx roc - beat to death - best touch in the bag for upshots, too understable to drive with.
180 dx shark - beat to death - first disc I owned, sentamental, good and straight upshots.
180 z-wasp - straight and hyzer upshot and short drives.
180 dz cobra - slow float annhyzer upshot, short anny drives.

a couple of slow drivers that I consider Mids too...
KC Pro Cheetah, Champion Stingray, Champion Shark

(I could probably trim a few out of that compartment)

178 Buzzz, straight with slight left at the end.
176 Buzzz, straight the whole way.
172 Beat Buzzz, nice steady turnover shot.

I carry:

1 beat 177 z-Wasp stamped buzz for straight or turnovers
1 new 177 z-Wasp stamped byzz for late fading strait shots
1 174 D-Drone for medium Hyzers
1 166 Demon for when I need hard hyzers or to warp space time with curve
1 174 Ace Race glide for long hyzers or any time I need to KNOW what the disc is going to do
1 172 Breeze for medium up shots that I need serious finesse on
1 175 Medium wizard when I need a slow shot that'll flip out of an anne.

I carry 3. A Vortex, a Stratus, and a Roc.

180g SB Roc Longer Approach
174g Super Roc Straight
174g Coyote goes where you want it
175g Pro Aviar

I currently carry:
1x Champion Stingray 177
1x First RUn Z-buzzz 178
1x Flat Z-buzzz 176

add 2putters and 2 drivers and you have my whole bag :).

-Scott Lewis

variations of 11x rocs, and comets z and x

QMS, and Rocs

175 proto drone (flick upshots, short spike hyzer, into serious wind)
178 z wasp (short hyzer)
177 1st run Z buzzz (straight to slight hyzer)
177 1st run X buzzz (DGLO '04) (straight to slight turnover)
177 D buzzz (beat...hyzer to flat/flip/turn drives or tailwind)

you can also add my putters, since i use them more than the mids for upshots (i use the mids mainly as drivers):

175 G9i E wizard (drives)
175 firm S wizard (upshots)
172 super soft S wizard (anhyzer approaches, putts)

QMS, and Rocs



If you throw the older opaque QMS you'd love a Coyote. Start throwing them and its pretty much over for everybody.

Before the Coyote:

2 Opaque QMS'
1 Max Buzzz
DX Roc
Pro Line Gremlin { Multi.. for anything.}

After the Coyote:

A Coyote and a Pro Line Gremlin. Pro Line Spider for wind.

172 Z Buzz for straight shots , though it flips at times (needs to be heavier)
174 D mrx for hyzers
I have a 175 sentinel but have not use it.

Any suggestions for throwing with xtreme wind? drone? gator? wasp?
Most players are using the spider for the wind down here. And even use it as a putter.

I noticed nobody included one in this thread....

172 Z Buzz for straight shots , though it flips at times (needs to be heavier)
174 D mrx for hyzers
I have a 175 sentinel but have not use it.

Any suggestions for throwing with xtreme wind? drone? gator? wasp?
Most players are using the spider for the wind down here. And even use it as a putter.

I noticed nobody included one in this thread....



Wind? Definatly grab a Demon...the original wind beating midrange!!!

Who out there actually thought *I* wouldn't respond to an inventory question?

180g '04 Glow CE Roc "Pig"
177g tuned white 10x KC Roc "Yeah, you know the one"
175g '05 green Super Roc "distance Roc"
174g '02 white CFR Classic Roc "Dead eFfing Straight"
170g beat white DX Classic Roc "Whitey of the Tree Dodgers"
177g blue Champion Coyote (Dave really hit the mark w/this mold)

My Whippets, Gazelles, Panthers, & Stingrays might be considered Midranges anymore, but I don't think they really qualify.

3 Gators, new, mid, old for left, straight & right shots.
I bought spiders & gremlins at the same time, but like the consistency of the Gator even as they start to get old & fade.
Tried Rocs but don't like the feel of them.

2 Whippets, new & old for longer harder fades, Ss, skips, etc. (good for rollers too).
OK so they may be 'drivers', as was the Aviar & Aero in their day. but they sure can be useful.

(Weights all ~172, all Dx)

Also would add that depending upon the situation, either my Rhynos, Teebirds or other drivers might be used due to their different flight characteristics.

Doesn't matter what you throw as long as it works, and it will only work if you know how to throw it, so know what you throw.
(sorry if this sounds sappy, it just came out & sounded good (too me only?) and apologies if its already been written elsewhere before as I'm not aware of it)

180 10X Roc
180 11X Roc
180 Ontario roc
180 Ching stamped Ontario Roc
177+ X Comet

171 DX Roc, beat, turnover
171 DX Roc, not so beat, straight
180 DX Roc, not so new, straight to hyzer
180 DX Roc, new, breaking it in so it will fit into the rotation.

I also have a 178 element, and a 178 Element X in "S" plastic.
I like them a lot, but I am trying to go with one mid-range mold and I can't make up my mind. They are all very good discs. I will porbably end up keeping all of them in there.

172 Z Buzz for straight shots , though it flips at times (needs to be heavier)
174 D mrx for hyzers
I have a 175 sentinel but have not use it.

Any suggestions for throwing with xtreme wind? drone? gator? wasp?
Most players are using the spider for the wind down here. And even use it as a putter.

I noticed nobody included one in this thread....



All three discs you mentioned(Drone, Wasp, Demon) are great wind mids. The Drone was specifically made for wind/high power, so that'd be my choice. Choose the one that fits in your hand best.

Any suggestions for throwing with xtreme wind? drone? gator? wasp?




All three discs you mentioned(Drone, Wasp, Demon) are great wind mids. The Drone was specifically made for wind/high power, so that'd be my choice. Choose the one that fits in your hand best.

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The Gateway demon is great for the wind, but it isn't as lond as the drone. I have noticed that it's great for spike shots too!

BTW - In what area does the country does a Spider represent a good wind disc? Sorry - that seems kind of funny to someone who hails from a windy Lake Course and plays quite a few windy courses. I would expect that ppl would be using flatter and firmer molds b/c I can't keep a Spider flat even w/o wind. They are too flippy!

Learn your Roc.
All I throw is elements and a Demon, but definitely learn how to throw your Roc. Best technique-building disc you own

beat DX Hawk for turnovers
176 X-Wasp for straight to hyzer depending on the release.
Had a 178 1st run Z Buzz that flipped and dove into the water with a headwind :mad: It seemed a little more stable than my wasp.

I haven't thrown a drone or demon, but have been considering buying either one of those or an MRX for a wind/flick/hyzer disc. When I try to throw the wasp as a driver, my technique isn't really sound enough to consistently keep it from flipping.

Would a max weight Super Roc fit in with the drone/demon/MRX? I have been considering going to an all Roc lineup for mids.

Edit: oh yeah, was thinking of a gator too. Do these feel similar to a Roc?

Beat 180 , DX Roc. For straight and clean turnover shots.

New Champion Spider ,174 grams: This disc is like a Speedy Aviar , not quite as fast as a Roc. Sweet !!!!!!

New Champion Gator : Insane............this disc is THE Stable upshot disc around !!!!!! Wind.........No Problem :D

dx spiders--- different weights and levels of beatness. i even putt with these, they are an amazingly straight and controllable disc, like a cross between a roc and aviar. these are all i use up to 325 or so, unless i need the demon for a hard fade or super headwind.

Learn your Roc.
All I throw is elements and a Demon, but definitely learn how to throw your Roc. Best technique-building disc you own



Thanks Shane. Is Man Unit going to make an apperance @ VT States?

This week -

Long putt/short approach - Crystal Challenger or ProtoWizard
Straight to hyzer approaches - Champ Cobra
Straight to anhyzer approaches - Z Storm
Serious hyzer/lawn dart approaches - Champ Gator
Anhyzer approaches - DX Stingray
Long flick approaches - Champ Glo Roc

Might it be suggested that you use some slower than a driver. I bet you will find out that you stop skipping away from the basket and have easier putts.

BTW - In what area does the country does a Spider represent a good wind disc?

I've never thrown a spider, which is why I'm asking. The local player use them.

I have a buzz which is not good in the wind: part of the problem I imagine is that it came in lighter than I expected at 172.

I would like some advice before I buy something for the wind. I gotta ask about the spider since so many down here are using it.

On a different note, I threw my mrv today, and it flew as far as most of my drivers. I was not throwing at the disc course; plus, the wind was negligible.

I'd like to get a Pro -Whippet.

Had one of the Climo 7 time ones a couple of years ago.

Have a 172 Champion Whippet.

Like to get a 160 gram Champion Whippet. :eek:

2 Dx Rocs and a Champion Shark, all 180g. The Shark is definetely a poor man's Champion Roc. All these discs have the same basic feel/flight, just different stabilities. Along with my Wizards this is all I need.

So how would you compare a Coyote and a QMS? How about a Coyote to an Aurora MS? basicly the same, or different, and if so how? (thanks)

178 Drone, 178 Flat top X Buzzz, 178 Z Buzzz...Because they work for me.

a heavy champ spider is fairly good in the wind, nice and straight, very little fade. if it is a strong headwind or coming from the left, and i need a good fade, i'll go with a demon or champ teebird [skip]

180 DMC stamped coyote - it will possibly replace the rocs
180 "worn" glo roc - its straight
180 "beat" glo roc - its REALLY nice
178 SM shark - it turns right like no other.

Soft Rhyno
Hard Rhyno
Coyote
Roc

Champion Panther - Understable / roller
CE Spider beat - Straight / Trickshots
CE Spider newer - backup mainly
X-out KC Roc - Overstable / Tweener distances (between driver / mid)
Champion Whippet - :DWind?

2-aviar putters
1-old ms flippy ,good for short rollers and turnovers
1-san marino roc straight,straight,straight
1-05 special blend usdgc roc straight w/hyzer fade or hyzer

178 - 05' Red Special Blend Roc (go-to-disc)
170 - 05' Orange Tribal Roc (Only 6 made)
178 - DX (96' World's biggest weekend stamp) flat Roc
178 - DX (05' Legion of Doom stamp) "grippy" flat Roc
180 - Champion Cobra

PT Woods
# 20431

My driving needs work, and I'm currently testing all types of discs, but for mid range I've got a 172 Classic Roc. Once in range this thing lays up next to the pin with hyzer and straight shots. Never even considered trying anything else /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif If it ain't broke... for anhyzer shots, a little side arm action does the trick... still working on this :p

champion spider....need i say more? maybe a super roc or two ;)

First of all, I think midranges are the best weapon in the game. People who throw mids often and well are generally dangerous. I'm hoping to get there myself.

I carry:

177 S Element-X � Banged up but fairly new

� Forehand hyzer, straight, and slight turnover shots, 200-350'.

� Backhand hyzer and straight w/left fade shots, 180-280'.

Gateway really hit the mark on the Element-X. I love this disc.

177+ Squall � Worn, used constantly for maybe 1.5 years

� A variety of backhand shots; some forehand turnovers, 180-325'.

Inside 200', I leave most of the work to my putters: 175 Firm Wizard, 173 Juju, 173 X-Putt'r.

Champion Coyote , 180 grams. Total utility disc.

Champion Spider , 174 grams. Your Aviar on sterioids !!!!!!

Champion Shark , 180 grams..........Overstable !!!!! :eek:

classic roc...dx flat top roc....usdgc 4 time glow roc...and a aviar-x...all max weight....from -2 to +2...it works good for me......

RTF (or anybody else), have you compared this years CE glow with last years? Im hoping to put last years on the wall and just throw this years.

Four bottom stamped ROCs and two DX aviars

Just started throwin the Z-Glide...WOW...that thing is AWESOME!!!! It can have it hold any line I want, and it has to be one of my farthest flying midranges, just throw with a lil hyzer and watch GLIDE FOREVER!!!! I also throw a Gateway Wizard, Wasp, and ROC.......

Just started throwin the Z-Glide... ... it has to be one of my farthest flying midranges, ...



An honest question here from a relative newbie -- why is it good if a midrange flies far? Isn't the point that it doesn't fly as far as a driver? Isn't a long midrange just a short driver?

I was thinking that a midrange is optimized for reliability (repeatability, forgiveness, etc.) at the expense of distance. Am I misunderstanding?

nope. you've got it right. but a midrange that has near-driver reach is a valuable tool... think 300-330 feet with no tailoff at the end - just dead straight. in the glide's case, think a two-step "run up", a nice slow controlled flight, AND the ability to stretch out to 300 or more when you need to. watch some of the best players throw midranges - you'll see them use mids a lot more than you might expect. always (well, usually) better to use the disc that you can throw at 85-90% and still reach the objective. many times its far better to throw a mid at 85% power than a driver at 55%.

Well said Sandalman, now with the glide I can reach those 315- 330 hole with way more control, Sandalman said it better!!

CryZtal Buzzz - (not sure of the weight) got rid of my 1st runs because they were too expensive to replace. This buzzz is super pretty as it is pink. I carry this disc for long range approaches that will fly straight and end left for sure
176 Super Roc - I think this disc is on its way out. I haven't thrown it in a long while
180 DX Roc - I have tried to beat it into submission but it isn't agreeing. Also might be on its way out
175 Z-Wasp Similar shots as the Buzzz, but less speed
173 Z-MRV The disc I can't seem to take out of the bag. I take it out, put it back in, take it out...I use it for long annhyzers that I want to die (for lack of a better word)
168 Champion Gator - I guess it is pretty overstable, it is getting its bag test run right now, so far good for the wind
171 Ace Run Glide - I like what this disc does so far. It always ends right or straight. Nice to know in certain lies
172 Firm Wizard - this disc single handedly replaced three discs in my bag, short forehands, stuff I don't want to blow by, annhyzers...a lot of stuff under 200 feet
175 JK Aviar X - one of the newer runs...this thing is soft, my favorite putter and short approach disc (it hates the wind though)
167 Blowfly - I use it on short hyzers and annhyzers that I don't want to roll. This thing hits the ground and gets down. I also sometimes use it for trick shots.

I think I carry too many discs. I am trying to cut back, but I keep finding great discs that I love....darn disc manufacturers coming out with new plastic! :D

Well said Sandalman, now with the glide I can reach those 315- 330 hole with way more control, Sandalman said it better!!



Yeppers, he knows what he's saying. I think he likes them. At last count he had 35 1st run Z-Glides!

171 - Z Buzzz - 280-250 range - Straight Shots with a little fade at the end
169 - S Element X - 280-250 - Nicely worn - Straight shots with a slight turn over.
175 - Champ Rhyno - 250 and under - Currently my goto disc Straight Shots, or whatever I need it to do.
165 - H Wizard - 220 and under - Shots that need to turn over.

Billy can reach a 400 ft. hole effortlessly with a putter. So, don't let him fool you into thinking he has control :D, but he is right that the Glide is easy to control and float a mile.

Last count - Billy set the state distance record in Oklahoma with a shank.

Which Billy ? Last name ?

I think Billy Lund, could be wrong.

1 D Buzzz quick anhyzer shots
1 first run Z Buzzz a frozen rope 300to325
4 wasps 1.extremly beat pro d for late turn over/cork screws
1. slightly beat straight low ceiling shots
1. x wasp for slight hyzer shots
1. 1st run Z wasp super stable! Hard left turns some skip

I need a more stable mid for the wind/forehands/short spike hyzer.
Currently my 172 slightly seasoned X-Wasp will annie slighty and finish straight to slightly left when thrown flat in calm conditions. Is a max weight Z-wasp the answer? I'd like to keep the same disc feel through my mids.

My mid for turnovers is a beat dx hawk for now

Other options:
2 Rocs and a gator
buzz, wasp, drone
buzz, wasp, MRX

I have had the samr maxweight Z wasp for almost three years now. its still as overstable as when I first got it!

Ummm yeah Jay.. I think you started playing like two years ago.

Anyway... all you need for mid-range are Challengers.

Cam tood
Pro d
maybe an x-wasp. yes an X-wasp. You can find them as tourny discs or get lucky like me and buy an X-wasp with no tourny stamp and rule the upshot world. !!! KOZAK

Next .....

178g Z-Wasp - Max D (350ft) shots
178g Z Wasp - (Broken in)S curve, left finishing 350ft shots
178g Z-Buzzz - Bread and butter, won't golf without it.
173g Z-Buzzz - Gentle slow S-shots between 250 and 350ft
178g Z-Buzzz - (Broken in) Turnover shots 300-350ft, occasional approaches inside 300ft but that is nose up with hyzer.

assorted weights and seasonedness[?] dx spiders. putts to 325 or so

a max weight ontario roc-flippy
max weight champ roc-stable
max weight kc roc-striaght
champ gator-gator shots

assorted weights and seasonedness[?] dx spiders. putts to 325 or so



assorted weights and seasonings[?] :D

assorted weights broken in to varying degrees... [?]

new, almost new, broken-in, beat, and very beat ... [?]

a local pro (Pete Caldwell) marks his TL's with a system something like --

I new
II almost new
III broken in
IIII very beat

they are all the same weight and color, and i think he rotates a new one in every so often and adds a I onto the condition of the others and rotates the most beat one out.

I hear Climo won Worlds one year i think using all Gazelles(?) in different conditions... I like the idea and may start that kind of system with Champ and Pro Orcs.

how do you tell your Spiders apart?

Thanks for the advice on another related thread guys. http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=406583&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
I decided to go with a Z wasp. It's not as overstable as I'd hoped, but it will work.

1 Brand new max wt Z-Wasp (forehand/hyzer/wind)
1 Slightly worn 172 X-Wasp (Straight w/ fade)
1 beat DX Hawk (annhyzers)

I should be set for now. Thinking lighter d-Buzz to replace the Hawk sometime.

180 S ElementX, slightly beat - drives, straight shots w/ left fade, up to about 300ft
178 "CE" Element, new and durable - straight shots w/ any fade, a little shy of 300ft
165 S Element - beat to hell, money disc. anything that needs finesse and pinpoint accuracy
4 Wizards (2 E, 2S-172+) - anything 250ft or less, rollers with the beat S, drives with the E, and of course putts

3 Wizards all mostly med/firm and from beat, slightly used to new. I use these for most mid-range shots where height is not a factor. I sometimes slip an E wizard in the bag, but I usally wind up using the new firm one for the overstable or hyzer shots!
I have had 2 of the wizards in my bag for well over 3 years and they still fly the same.

1-S element for lower ceiling shoct of less than 250' that need to flip up and fly flat or stay turning to the right.
This disc will also hold a slight hyzer for and extremely long way at 50-60% power when thrown slightly nose up.

1 E element X for straight low ceiling shots, especially in the woods.

2 "S" blazes: We used to market this discs as a driver but it much more of a long/midrange. 1 flies dead straight 250-350, 1 is fairly new for spike hyzer and slight S-shots.
Blazes are rarely effected by the wind and are the key to most of our sponsored players mid range successes.

For those who like the E plastic. the evolution Blazes are some of the best discs we have ever made.

2 Champion Cobras
New - Straight, long hyzers up to 350
Beat - Turnover shots
Champion rhyno - Utility disc under 275 (straight, hyzer, spike hyzer, hammer, sidearm)
Q Sentinel - wind, sharp hyzers (anything the previous three don't cover)

Lots of times I'll play with three of these four discs and a putter in practice rounds sometimes even in leagues. I find that on average length course I rarely throw my drivers and my game improves more drastically with improvements in midranges than in drivers. Either way I still need to learn to putt...

S Demon -- when I must have a hard hyzer or into a strong headwind

Z Wasp -- Long approaches when I want to have some fade at the end.

Z Buzzz -- Straight/anhzyer.