Im sure this has been beaten to death on the boards, but I'm new to them, so:

I have seen plenty of step/release/throw footage of many of the world distance recordd throws, and have seen many videos of distance "golf" shots as far as the tee box is concerned, but have never seen good footage of the actual flight of the discs that they throw for pure distance or for golf shots. I am most interested in Something like a over the should of the thrower perspective. Anyone care to describe these throws and/or have video footage that they would send me?

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this actually hasn't been covered much...

in terms of pure distance shots, there's the anhyzer line and the hyzer flip line.

the anhyzer line with overstable discs starts out to the left, very high (peak > 50' high), and with a lot of anhyzer (more than expected), usually ~60-80 degrees (but can be less depending upon the disc). after the disc hits the apex, it will drop a bit and sweep across the middle, levelling out to almost flat but continuing to turn to the right. as the disc begins to slow it will reach its farthest right point and fade and finish nose down in the forward direction, usually almost directly in line with the farthest right point (but sometimes will return slightly left). how much height/nose down you have at the fade point will dictate how much extra distance you gain during the fade. on shots > 550', the fade portion will generally be at least 100' of the raw distance, and sometimes a lot more if the disc catches the wind just right.

on hyzer flip shots with understable discs, the disc starts out to the left with a lot of hyzer and a trajectory that is more line drive than an anhyzer line (but still somewhat upwards). the disc rises as it flattens and continues to rise due to power. after the disc hits the apex it will flip over and perform a similar sweep across but moves a little more in the forward direction and drops less while this happens. it continues its turn to the right and fades in the forward to slightly left direction in the same manner as the distance annie.

hope this could help... someone else may be able to describe it better.

What about 800' pure distance throws? :p

Thanks for elaborating Blake. What do you see as the advantages/disadvantages of each with respect to the other? It sounds like the anhyzer flip allows for more stable/overstable discs to be thrown and requires more height and involves more lateral distance; while the hyzer flip is a bit straighter in terms of flight path(?), is not quite so high, and allows for stable/understable discs to be thrown... I guess the light DX Valkyrie that set the record used hyzer flip? Did the Teebird shot the Valkyrie beat use the anhyzer method?

I've been watching the videos of Max Voight throwing (just the run up and 360) when he lets the disc go it looks like it's going up (vertical) in a a hurry (think 70 degrees). Is this the case? When i throw for distance i only get 30 ft. off the ground with slight fades both ways, very often landing without the hyzer spike. But if i understand you correctly, the annie line is almost a trajectory with a glide portion in the middle?
similar to a hammer shot but on a much greater scale?

also on distance throws, how far does the disc travel before hitting the vertical peak?

What about 800' pure distance throws?



this was referring to shots thave have the potential to go that far :) however, these generally catch the wind during the fade portion and often get extra lift during this period. the diff between a 650' throw and an 800' throw is often more luck/chance than anything else...


What do you see as the advantages/disadvantages of each with respect to the other?



the anhyzer throw gets better consistent distance but generally is weaker on the max D potential side of things. when you watch people throwing 5 hyzer flip D shots you get a much larger standard deviation... e.g. 419', 521', 478', 630', 442', whereas a distance anhyzer thrower will more likely get like 530', 490', 471', 551', 542' assuming they are players w/ similar power using discs w/ similar D potential.


I guess the light DX Valkyrie that set the record used hyzer flip? Did the Teebird shot the Valkyrie beat use the anhyzer method?



yes, the valk was a hyzer flip throw. the teebird was also a hyzer flip and if it was thrown like his normal distance tosses, was probably released nearly vertical hyzer. have to keep in mind that most distance throwers throw standard to mid-grade plastic and generally it's semi-broken in.


I've been watching the videos of Max Voight throwing (just the run up and 360) when he lets the disc go it looks like it's going up (vertical) in a a hurry (think 70 degrees). Is this the case? When i throw for distance i only get 30 ft. off the ground with slight fades both ways, very often landing without the hyzer spike. But if i understand you correctly, the annie line is almost a trajectory with a glide portion in the middle?
similar to a hammer shot but on a much greater scale?




if i remember correctly, the last i'd heard of voight's disc choice was the x talon and performed with anhyzer technique. if it was the x talon, then it was likely released very anhyzer and very very high. i wouldn't really compare it to a hammer throw... and it's tough to say where the majority of the distance comes... a rough estimate would probably be 2/5 anhyzer to the apex, 2/5 sweep across, 1/5 fade for a distance anhyzer.


also on distance throws, how far does the disc travel before hitting the vertical peak?



for a distance anhyzer i would say about the 2/5 mark, however, on a hyzer flip throw, probably closer to 1/2 or 3/5 mark.

thing you have to keep in mind with is that most distance tosses are from an "all or nothing" standpoint. at last year's worlds distance contest i was most impressed w/ markus kallstrom that threw his normal golf drive and had all 5 of his throws break 500'. sandstrom had 2 throws over 500', but 1 of them broke 600'.

Yeah, obviously Sandstrom can bomb a drive, but I too am more impressed with Kallstrom...dude has the biggest usable golf shot ever! Its unreal and cool to watch!!

Throwing that D has got to be Dangerous to your arm. Do yall know any big guns that have problems?

throwing distance is just like throwing a regular shot... these players just happen to have amazing technique and use of their bigger muscles.
I doubt that most suffer problems from throwing this far as it's all technique based.

Some of the bigger arms i've seen throw don't seem to throw harder, but just a little bit faster runup. Playing with Brinster makes me understand how much good technique is important.

-Scott Lewis

the only big arm i know of that has ever had arm troubles is stokely, and that was from a sidearm injury.

i do know that thomas ekstrom (big arm in early 90's) had hip problems that limited his play and i've heard a swede talk about fearing the same type of problems with markus kallstrom.

Funny you should say that Blake. I was throwing huge bombs by bringing my sidearm back and away form my body and snapping forward, until 1 throw broke it and have NEVER been able to throw D with sidearm OR Tommy without big lasting pain since. Just last weekend I tried an overhand roller and hurt it so bad that even my backhand was useless. It seems almost like its more in my lower outside shoulder/bicep. Do you know what it was that Stokely hurt? This info could help my Doctor help me. Once again, Blake I want to thank you for all the great advice and GREAT website.

he blew out his outter elbow.

i blew out my outter elbow pitching 3x (or once and it lasted 4 years or 2 reinjuries of it) so i never try to throw distance sidearm... and i can't really say how many problems arise from certain styles. basically, what i know of this injury is that it takes 20-24 months of pure rest for it to heal properly and returning early to the same motion that injured it will just lead to re-aggrivating it.

the thing that has really come to my attention is that most of the players i have talked to/read posts by who have thrown mainly sidearm drives for 20+ years all favor keeping the elbow in for longevity's sake, even though it lacks distance potential (and is the technique stokely refers to in his videos as t-rexing).

Ok guys, I am having this issue when I snap the holy hell outa my disc. Any disc will do this. I usually throw with very little snap cause with the torque of my arm, putting alot of snap on it just makes it turn completely over. I can get some D now 400, but I feel if I utilized this extra wrist pop the disc could go at least 50% further. Yes, 600 Efrain.

The problem is the trajectory of the disc is so wild that consistancy is just not a subject to spoken. Has anyone ever harnessed the full potential of snapping the heck outa your disc. I snap it so hard I can feel it in my wrist. Its not a good feeling but it sure does unleash this super fling that has so much speed that you know this thing is gonna Gooooooooo.

I am thinking if I find the right disc and throw it high enough so that it has the room to S out, it could actually scream into some Distance compititions.

I'll bet you can't hit 450'. :D

Should I start a pay pal account for the out of towners? :o:D

sounds like you need to make a trip to the BIG D in the desert!! try an extreme , it will tame your snap!!lmao

No thanks. I am planning a trip to Jamaica and the desert just does not sound that attractive. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

^^^obviously clueless^^^^^

Sorry but a BIG D competition does not seem that attractive while the other option is Jamaica. Clueless is what I am not and you should be aware of that Efi.

Jamaica! been there done that
next

Been to the big D in Arizona? Next.

Been to the big D in Arizona? Next.



like i said before :^^^clueless^^^ its southern cali!! :p

I thought the Big D in Arizona is where the latest Distance records were set. Oh well, Like I said before, my life does not revolve around disc golf. Are you done trying to get under my skin? LOL :D:D

I throw Midweight stable drivers when I am throwing for distance. Hyzers Flip S shots. Something like a 166 Z Crush or 162 Champ Orc. Just understable enough to flip and glide FOREVER in the turn but then still stable enough at the low speed to fade back and get that extra 100 ft :D

When I threw Distance at Worlds I threw 2 166 Z Crushs 2 162 Champ Orcs and a Z Flash. All but the flash went over 480 and 1 Z Crush made it to 497 while getting slapped down by the wind at the same distance everyone else was getting airbounces :p :D:eek:

thats rather interesting , i would never have guessed the lighter weight discs as a big d preference!! ;)

I throw 167s for D. Orc, Crush and
170 sidewinders for that extra 75' :o:D:D

If you're flipping discs then you have too much off-axis torque. Practice bombing an Ultrastar or putter or freestyle disc. Throw some MTA. MTA has helped my D immensely.

i am guessing robj is probably correct in his diagnosis, but there are a couple of special circumstances that may be something else

1) if you are flipping notoriously high speed stable discs. champ firebirds, teebirds, z preds, etc. then it is most likely torque. however, if you are flipping discs that just aren't high speed stable enough, then, it may not be a technique problem.

2) you may be throwing with hyper-spin.

please explain yourself hyper spin?
I bought a freestyle disc and it came with a video, and WOW! they generate an icredible amount of spin. Is it wise to cross train with these disc and technique? I want to learn the airbrush that is cool

I am thinking to much speed and not enough spin. It happens the same if I throw a side arm with full snap too.

please explain yourself hyper spin?



there's an entire thread on this that's like 50 pages long buried here.



I am thinking to much speed and not enough spin. It happens the same if I throw a side arm with full snap too.



generally this is a mis-diagnosis and is actually an off axis torque issue. more spin on a disc can sometimes stabilize a disc more quickly if it isn't released cleanly...

I bought a freestyle disc and it came with a video, and WOW! they generate an icredible amount of spin. Is it wise to cross train with these disc and technique? I want to learn the airbrush that is cool



Yes, this will help your finesse game, your wind skills, and your ability to throw putters on short drives and on approach shots. I found MTA has helped my distance a lot. It may throw you off a little at first adjusting back and forth, but it will make you better if you work at it. Frisbees and lids and MTA discs will help you learn NOT to put off-axis torque on a disc because they will flip, crash, and burn if you do.

Try a light flick, and 45 it. think 160's. Before they get beat, that disc will save many of your turn overs and change them to ridiculously long shots. Plus it can handle any speed you put on it

Forgot, Hey blake, i broke 600 downwind with a flick the other day, and my buddies got it on tape, once i get it ripped and coded i'll send you a copy. along with 3 or 4 550ft+ starfire shots. Theres dark playground equipment in the backround so you can see almost thee entire flight. :D

Forgot, Hey blake, i broke 600 downwind with a flick the other day, and my buddies got it on tape, once i get it ripped and coded i'll send you a copy. along with 3 or 4 550ft+ starfire shots. Theres dark playground equipment in the backround so you can see almost thee entire flight. :D



Cool...........I broke wind on flick yesterday. :D

Is that on level ground and measured with a laser? If so, that's not too shabby :D

I will keep an eye out for the 160s. Thanks.