I recently bought some new plastic for my bag after seeing all these other people just crushing some of the new stuff. Over the past couple weeks I have tried to get out to the football field and throw. Mind you I'm a AM player been playing for a while, never 100% commited to it just play for fun. My previous best the field was about 300ft and this was with some old DX cyclone I had. Well the plastic has paid off for sure as well as the practice. Last night I blasted my flash about about 370 on and my sidewinder about 360. My question is obviously there is more distance to be had out of both. I have read/been told the flash is supposed to be a flippy type driver however seems my first run will hold a hyser when released with one. I have yet to get that disc to turn over, last night I added more snap and picked up distance so I probably just need more snap to S that puppy. The sidewinder is a different beast all together, I have to release with decent hyzer and it will flatten out go understable and come back. I find that a lot of height kills the sidewinder(either that or I don't have enough arm).

Can anyone who is throwing these discs further give me some advice on release, angle and amount of snap you use to get better distance. Obviously it comes with practice, last night I was amazed that straight out of the bag the sidewinder did 300 with little warm up, and seems to do its best when its about 8ft up, any higher for me and it seems to stall out a bit.

Advice and other comments welcome.

Sidewinder: This disc has quite a turn to start off with so you just have to be careful. For me it comes back pretty hard once it slows down though. What I try to do is throw it right at the hole. It will go off to the right and then come right back to where i first aimed. I try and keep it within 8-12 ft off the ground and it works great. I average about 400ft with this drive and have gotten up to about 440ft.

Flash: Personally I think the Flash is MUCH more stable than people give it credit for, but I think this could be because different color Flash fly totally different from what I hear. The flash has to be thrown at a very high speed to take advantage of it, so make sure and put a ton of armspeed on this one. I try to keep it on a slight hyzer to flat release and keep it under 15ft. My average drive with this disc is about 375. My max is 430.

Neo you play at warriors all the time I'm sure, do you play doubles much?

It all depends in the arm of the person throwing the disc.

Personally for me, both discs are Roller Only discs. But I throw with alot of speed ~70mph on a power drive. I would say that the Flash is more stable then the Sidewinder by far. I have seen a 57yr old multi time World Champion throw both 425ft+, he released them with hyzer, the Sidewinder with A LOT of hyzer.

Both discs are very popular distance discs. Mainly because you do not have to put alot of power behind them to 1) make them turn and 2) get a lot of distance out of them. Personally I throw the Orc and now the Avenger for drives over 400ft, and can get these discs to turn over if I do not put some hyzer on the release.

If you are throwing the Sidewinder, and it stays completely flat (ie no significant turn or heavy fade), then you have found YOUR distance disc. Everyone does not throw every disc the same. Like where I see the Beast as a turn over driver, others see it as an overstable driver. Throw what works best for you, but always be willing to try new discs and new styles of throwing, it can only make you better.

Have fun!

It all depends in the arm of the person throwing the disc.

Personally for me, both discs are Roller Only discs. But I throw with alot of speed ~70mph on a power drive. I would say that the Flash is more stable then the Sidewinder by far. I have seen a 57yr old multi time World Champion throw both 425ft+, he released them with hyzer, the Sidewinder with A LOT of hyzer.

Both discs are very popular distance discs. Mainly because you do not have to put alot of power behind them to 1) make them turn and 2) get a lot of distance out of them. Personally I throw the Orc and now the Avenger for drives over 400ft, and can get these discs to turn over if I do not put some hyzer on the release.

If you are throwing the Sidewinder, and it stays completely flat (ie no significant turn or heavy fade), then you have found YOUR distance disc. Everyone does not throw every disc the same. Like where I see the Beast as a turn over driver, others see it as an overstable driver. Throw what works best for you, but always be willing to try new discs and new styles of throwing, it can only make you better.

Have fun!



My reason for stepping up to these discs are the old stuff was slower and I was starting to turn things over as my form improved. I have to put a slight hyzer on the sidewinder, and seems that flash and stand all the snap my throw has to offer so far. I'm sure at some point I will start to get faster than these then I'll pick up a Orc or an Avenger. My buddy has a better arm so I always get the chance to try that stuff every now and then to see if I'm getting faster.

Thanks for the info.