Nina Fo, Ben Bev, Dan, check this out!!! :eek: :eek:

http://www.charlottedgc.com/files/notice_of_probation_050601.txt

Essay Question: Please compare and contrast this action with the disciplinary actions of any other Disc Golf governing body that may spring to mind. :D;)

Moreover I want to hear the story on this one. How do you let a guy be a jackass for that long without doing something about it??!?!! :cool:

I have removed the file from our site. This is a CDGC "family" matter and the details are not intended for PDGA-wide banter. Dave is appropriately remorseful and repentant for his unruly drunken behavior. Widespread public shame will accomplish nothing positive for this unfortunate situation.

Thanks,
dave...
CDGC Info Guy (Board Member)

I have removed the file from our site. This is a CDGC "family" matter and the details are not intended for PDGA-wide banter. Dave is appropriately remorseful and repentant for his unruly drunken behavior. Widespread public shame will accomplish nothing positive for this unfortunate situation.




Oh the hilarity! :D

It's a family matter, so that's why we put it on our WORLD Wide Web site, including links from the singles league summary. Okayyyyyyyyyyyyy. :p

I KNEW I should have cut and pasted the text in here. :eek: :p ;)

However, club member discipline is a GREAT topic for clubs to grapple with. As a club we had not previously had to travel down this path before so we (the club leaders) had to have some good discussion.

It was important to us to serve notice to the offender and the offended that behavior detrimental to the club was not to be tolerated.

It was important to us that the punishment fit the �crime� and that we were not making an example of someone.

It was important to us that the actions we took were not merely punitive, but that they would bring restoration and reconciliation to relationships that were damaged.

The action we took was a 3-fold probationary measure:
1) There was punishment. Club points from the club event (part of a points series) were stripped.
2) There was restitution. A positive community service task was assigned. The man-hours of this taks equaled the �man-hours� of enjoyment ruined by the �crime�.
3) There were preventative steps taken to curb the behavior that is destructive to the club. In this case, a ban on alcohol at club events (including awards ceremonies and after parties).

I hope this post encourages the dialog you wanted to start here, Hank.

The topic at hand is Dave Grey, therefore, no one cares.

Oh the hilarity! :D

It's a family matter, so that's why we put it on our WORLD Wide Web site, including links from the singles league summary. Okayyyyyyyyyyyyy. :p



We debated on how to best disseminate this disciplinary action appropriately. We do not have a members� only outlet for information dispersal. It was decided that a discrete link in a place that those affected and those concerned could access it would be the best route. It was important for this info to be publicly accessible to curb rumor, innuendo and such.


I KNEW I should have cut and pasted the text in here. :eek: :p ;)



If your intent is to publicly expose and humiliate a private citizen for behavior that was not public (beyond maybe 30 people), then yes you should have copied the text. And that would have spoken volumes towards your character.

If you have more principals and dignity as a human than I am sensing from the tenor of this post, then hopefully my last post will suffice for the sake of the DISCussion Board.

Please let me know if you need more information about the disciplinary action taken by the CDGC.

mp3 thanks for the info. :) I do appreciate your candor.

The intent wasn't at all to humilate or expose the offender. Honestly and no offense intended, I thought yall had taken care of that already.

If my posts need an intent, I guess it was more a childish attempt to compare this disciplinary action to the perceived nonaction or underaction by the PDGA BOD in the most [in]famous of disciplinary cases in recent history. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Beyond that, a little discussion on the drasticness of the punishment would be interesting. Like starting with whether people think it is drastic or not, which is a tough call since none of us were there. :D

I'm still curious how a guy gets "sentenced" to 50-60 hours of course service when he only impacted 30 people. How do you let his behavior affect you for 2 hours per person? Isn't there a better way of handling the situation up front, instead of acting in arrears? :) :D That's why I said I was interested in the details of the offense, 'cause it ain't making sense from here.

The topic at hand is Dave Grey, therefore, no one cares.



Coming from YOU, that is particularly ironic and amusing.

Thanks for your clarification and comments. I am all for constructive dialog on these sorts of things.

You make a good point that is probably applicable to all cases where discipline needs to be doled out: If one is not part of the situation, it is very hard to make a good judgment from an outsider�s perspective.

And it is very hard for those who need to make discipline decisions to come to right decisions. In the case of a local club it is easier than for a decentralized organization (such as the PDGA) to come to meaningful resolution. A local club has personal relationships and close proximity. Both of these factors facilitate the necessary face-to-face meetings and personal understanding of the facts.

Personally speaking, I do not know how the PDGA could effectively handle discipline issues given all the funky dynamics that happen when things blow up in interpersonal dynamics. I know if must be excruciatingly painful for them.

There were hours of conversation between club leaders and the offender and offended before the extensive face-to-face meeting among the club leaders. This is the unpleasant but necessary side of leadership. Without the painstaking effort necessary in resolving this stuff, club relationships suffer and trust in leadership erodes. And even if leadership does its best, there may still be mistakes made and inadequacies. And, even if everything is handled perfectly, there will still be a contingent of people complaining and/or twisting the facts and/or talking out of school.


I'm still curious how a guy gets "sentenced" to 50-60 hours of course service when he only impacted 30 people. How do you let his behavior affect you for 2 hours per person? Isn't there a better way of handling the situation up front, instead of acting in arrears? :) :D That's why I said I was interested in the details of the offense, 'cause it ain't making sense from here.



Deciding on how to dole out appropriate discipline is certainly not an exact science. The thought was 1-2 hours of course clean up every 2 weeks should do. Over 1 year that is 35-45 hours. There is not a direct correlation man-hour to man-hour, of course.

I know that I can still have a good time while someone is acting like an arrears - doesn�t that mean horsesass? :) But the behavior does sour that time. Kinda like mosquitoes. They can be biting and I can be swatting all night long. I still have a good time, but would rather the mosquitoes were not there (and me having to perform capital punishment on them all night).

How do you allow bad behavior to go on for 2 hours? Well, I guess that is one of the effects of alcohol. It started out with mild stuff and attempts to calm things down and work things out. I think all of us have some tolerance for people acting like jackasses since we have all been there at some point. But, just when folks thought things were better they would flare up again. This pattern went on for 2 hours with the last 2 flare ups being unacceptable and not tolerable (things �crossed the line�). It did not get to the point where the police needed to be called�thanks to cooler heads prevailing.

Thanks again. :) That seems to be a levelheaded reply, approach, and assessment.