ellswrth
Jun 10 2005, 12:52 PM
So what's the story/deal with the factored Stingrays that DGA has made in the past? What I've heard is that they'll take the Stingray, sand it down so that it is even more understable and even better for rolling and that it's legal.

Steve Ganz pointed out the http://www.pdga.com/documents/tech_standards/PDGA_approved_discs_and_targets.pdf

page and I noticed that there are 5 different modified Stingrays that are approved. Not only that, but there is also a modified Whippet, Aviar and a modified Viper.

Are these still being manufactured? What are they like? Is there a story that someone can share about these discs?

20460chase
Jun 10 2005, 01:40 PM
I could be wrong, but I think these were populaur pre-2000. The Play it Again aports in my town has the Santa Cruz factored Stingrays. Im pretty sure they are old, and were just what you described. Sanded down edges for a longer or truer flight?

flynvegas
Jun 10 2005, 03:03 PM
#1 & #2 were the most common, #3 thru #5 were not run in big numbers and are rare.

discndat
Jun 10 2005, 03:14 PM
I'm not sure if the earlier "numbered" discs were factored or that it was a mold. The newer Santa Cruz models (in last couple of years) are "factored" - meaning they have been grounded/sanded (I'm not sure exactly how it is done). As was mentioned earlier there were some DGA Factored discs Pre-2000 that were the DGA Factored Viper, Whippet and Aviar Putter. The problem I had with those were that some would be "factored" on one side of the disc moreso than the other, some a larger "factor" than others. The "factoring" on the Viper and Whippet made sense in that it made them alot easier to throw for most people. That's my knowledge of them. Maybe someone else can provide more.

flynvegas
Jun 10 2005, 03:52 PM
You're right, I believe #4 and #5 were putters, the others were drivers.

brookep
Jun 10 2005, 03:59 PM
I have a IV factored old mold Whippet made from the old stiff dx plastic. Basically they sanded the bead off. I threw it a couple of times in a field definitely less overstable. Now it's on the wall.

Jun 10 2005, 04:06 PM
A more understable stingray?!?! GREAT!!!! My Stingrays hook to the left waaaay too hard :D

ellswrth
Jun 13 2005, 04:12 PM
So who started doing it and how was it approved by the PDGA when there is a rule against modifying a disc in this way?

rhett
Jun 13 2005, 04:36 PM
DGA used to do it, way back when they were still teamed with Innova to mold their discs. Then something came down and DGA switched to Discraft for their molding. Now I think they make their own.

ellswrth
Jun 13 2005, 04:53 PM
but they still get a regularly molded disc and then modify it, right?

bruce_brakel
Jun 13 2005, 05:17 PM
Terry Calhoun throws factored Stingrays.

There's some discussion here: http://www.odsa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9698&sid=363e8f69ea7c51b105485751b ea5f3a9

I deleted any misinformation i might have on the topic.

rhett
Jun 13 2005, 06:46 PM
Way back when, a hundred million years ago. But yes, that is apparently what they did. Although it was production modification as opposed to Joe Discgolfer grinding down his discs one at a time. Plus it was Ed Headrick doing it, not just some unknown Joe Discgolfer. And as in the NBA, the big names in disc golf get a lot more calls that the regular no-name guy. :)

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