OH!!!!

YEAH!!!! :cool::D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Countdown to Boulevard Wheat....T minus 3 days and counting. Yeah Downings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm heading out with Justin from St. louis on thursday. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

you playing open kiddo?? :D

No clue it depends on what dave wants me to play but I would like to so I can play Waterworks. :D

you should!! you can definately do it!!

Yeah look at the reg. list. :( :D:(

The Am list looks way more kid friendly but that makes me want to play up even more.

974!!

Yeah with a 974 rating...I would say playing advanced...would have to be considered bagging a little bit...

There are quite a few guys higher than me and Coda did it last year. :D

There are quite a few guys higher than me and Coda did it last year. :D



In what tournament?
I'm talking about KC Wide Open...

Hey you never know they may show up(the 4 AMs above me). Chill out I will be playing pro if I can but probably Ams in Iowa. :D:D

is the final 9 at Swope??? it would be SWEET to see it go down at WW. :D

where can i find the registration list??

where can i find the registration list??



go to the PDGA Tour and find the KCWO.......

Where are all the pros? Wasn't this one HUGE last year?

here are the Pros, they are listed separately.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4639

Where are all the pros? Wasn't this one HUGE last year?

Weren't all the NT's considerably bigger last year.

this tournament has been shrinking steadily....I remember the good ole days of 100+ Open players and now we are going to be lucky to get 50 :(

The West coast guys used to come until they realized it wasn't worth it finacially.

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Interesting new Heading.

Let Animal's message (as unprofessionally worded as it is) serve as official notice to amateurs.

If you go to the KCWO tournament expecting a handsome player's package, world class disc golf courses, and challenging competition, your expectations will be handsomely rewarded.

If you go to this tournament expecting a fat payout, you may be sorely disappointed. But if for some reason, you still have questions or issues about the payout, please personally consult the tournament director. DO NOT come onto the PDGA Discussion board after the event and disparage the payout, tournament director John Chapman, or KCFDC President Jack Lowe.

Here's a quote after last year's tournament from Jack that pretty much sums it up: (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Kansas City Flying Disc Club&Number=196847&Searchpage=0&Main=195396&Search =true&#Post196847)


if you want a bigger payout, then MOVE UP, playing AM is not about winning the most discs, it is about playing for competition and the fun of the game, if you are that worried about the payout, you are no longer an AM, you are a sandbagger.

Dont worry Bri, someone that post anonymously is really nothing new.

Overall the events across the PDGA schedule are down close to 20% in attendance (wonder if over 500 events this year alone affect that number?!?!), this compounded with the hard earned dollar and having to make tough choices on which courses and towns to play, espeically when you have Des Moines the following week. For the traveling pro it works great, for the local PDGA player it becomes choices, and Des Moines is still riding the Wave from the WOrlds last year, they did a great job up there didn't they? I plan on playing in Des Moines, and having a blast here as well.

I have been getting a lot of calls over the last few days, so I bet we will still have a pretty good sized Open field. Pete I think that last year we had 49 Open players, I expect us to have at least the same if not more. We had 27 Masters, and 12 Women. I hope that we have more women!

On the am side, well perceptions have always been what they are in KC, and I could talk 'til I am blue in the face, but we had 65 Adv, and 22 Adv Masters, if we have the same great, if not, plenty of people are missing some great courses and a well run event.

The perception issue still bothers me, but hey people obviously in the past did not pay attention to what the PDGA has done in terms of Advance payout. We pay DEEPER, and give MORE %% back than most other events out there, it has been that way in KC always, come for a good time, and get some cool friends, oh yeah play GREAT courses (even if it is not your favorit KC Course it will still be better than most disc golf courses out there). If you are worried about the payout as an AM, you are not thinking like an AM, never have and should move up. All that has been done has always been by the PDGA book, and always will. More TDs in the past ignored the standards that the PDGA wanted to have people follow, we choose to follow it.

It never ceases to amaze me that people who don't run events are the first complain and bash, and those that run them know first hand how hard the effort is, and that most of the time your work goes unappreciated, and you do it for free. This is part of the reason that TD's leave our sport, players perception is in some warped vision of Shangri-La, we are still primarily playing for each others money, how far can you spread it out boys and girls?

None to worry though, we are hard at work for the ~150 players that will make the trip to KC, play some KILLER courses, have some good times, and just enjoy the company of some of the best disc golfer hospitality in the country.

There is a reason our club is currently over 210 members, because we love the sport, and we love the players coming to town. You guys make it fun to watch and be a part of, and that is why we work hard at keeping the courses good. The whining complaining people, and I have said it before, I'll say it again, can stay home and play locals, improve your attitude and maybe your game will improve as well!
:)

Over all, I hate reading or writing in here, because a few noneducated comments from the toothless gallery really burn me up, but with the fine people that play the game for its real value, challenge of courses, event smoothness, and overall excellent disc golf time know to be here!

We look forward to opneing our arms to all players, if you have any comments to make to me, feel free to call me directly, I am never hiding behind an anonymous name or post, and I speak CLEARLY, and PATIENTLY, what is on my mind. (I even admit when I am wrong!)

For the rest of your reading pleasure, take the time to visit our town, you will never be dissapointed with a disc golf trip to KC.

Jack Lowe
913.485.5123
President KCFDC
(My words not the TD's John or Rick!)

I could not have said it better myself.......or can I?
:)

It is nice to konw that some people do read!!
:)

Well its off to earn money to keep my disc golf habit going.

Folks this is always a hectic time of year for us, but please do call if you have any questions!

Thanks,

Jack

The KCWO has been about giving back something to all players, not giving the winners (in the AM divisions) as much as possible. This is not news, and I expect the trend to continue. It has always been a good tournament and a great time.

Very well put Jack. I will see you this weekend. Clanger and I will be in mid day Friday. I will ring you to see if you have time for a quick round.

I haven't played Wyco as of yet, but I'm sad we don't get to play those two great courses Rosedale and Swope.....

:(

WYCO should be fun with the ROPE. :)

Trophy only is the way to go for the JV'ers...Nice players Package and a trophy to the winner.

Props to KC, it would be nice if you guys could get whatever it takes that might entice the others to come back to the Wide Open it is a good event, and I would love to see it back to the glory days. ;)

Are you guys serving BBQ horse meat agian at the players party?

:DJUST KIDDIN :D

LOOKING forward to being there! By the way PETE CASHEN is THE MAN!!!!Can't wait to see Pete ;)

Is the disc golf bar DOWNINGS next to Rosedale still open?

DOWNING's you mullet

Trophy only is the way to go for the JV'ers...Nice players Package and a trophy to the winner.





now there is a great idea!! as long as the entries reflect the trophy only path!!

Interesting new Heading.



It's gone now. And so is the poster who did it.

Well that sure cut down on the opinions, didn't it. :o

WYCO should be fun with the ROPE. :)


I played it with the rope about a month ago...Its going to be a pretty sweet layout!!

Well that sure cut down on the opinions, didn't it. :o



That's what happens when someone uses inappropriate language in the subject of a thread - which subsequently appears in the main index and thus is quite visible.

Someone who would do that, and this may be a stretch but maybe not, seems like the same kind of person who would break the limb off a tree 'cause it was in the way of a long putt.

the final 9 at waterworks will be fun to watch. good to see it being played there. ;) :cool:

Trophy only is the way to go for the JV'ers...Nice players Package and a trophy to the winner.



Can you explain to me the rational behind this??? Just curious.

It makes them play up. I should be playing up in this one for experience and the lack of AM payout. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

McCoy just wants more money in his purse but he doesnt want to have to beat more players so if the JVers as HIS GREATNESS ( note severe sarcasm on HIS GREATNESS ) calls us would be pading the pro purse by playing trophy only. Its easy to say Trophy only is the way to go for ams when your making over 20 Grand a year as a pro.

Its ok Kev I know its lonley up there on cloud 9 where you put yourself but stay out of conversations about divisions other then your own :eek:

Trophy only does not equate to padding the pro purse. It is entirely conceivable that ams played for trophies only, got a players pack equal to the value of their entry, and none of that money went to the open purse. I have no idea how they do it at this tourney, but I'll make a deal: if you stop assuming that trophy-only is merely a money grab by open players, I'll stop assuming that merch payouts are a money grab by those those unwilling to face tougher competition.

Trophy only does not equate to padding the pro purse. It is entirely conceivable that ams played for trophies only, got a players pack equal to the value of their entry, and none of that money went to the open purse. I have no idea how they do it at this tourney, but I'll make a deal: if you stop assuming that trophy-only is merely a money grab by open players, I'll stop assuming that merch payouts are a money grab by those those unwilling to face tougher competition.



hey James stop talking about me like that. :D:D

It makes them play up. I should be playing up in this one for experience and the lack of AM payout. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



If I am playing advanced and have a rating of 920...why the hell would I move up to pro and get my ***** handed to me??? There's not much incentive to play a tourney then is there? As a 920 rated player I stand a chance of cashing in Advanced, and if I just so happen to finish in the top 3, then I would expect to get a decent amount of stash in return. Now I know you will respond with..."That leaves the door open for the sandbaggers." But...any player with any integrity will play in their prospective division.

I am an avid Am Ball Golfer and play in ton's of tourney's and we get nice trophies for placing, but we also get tons of free stuff too for placing high.

I know for a fact that the payout is why a bunch of guys from where I am at stopped going to the KCWO.

Tourney's are not just about competition, they are also about getting rewarded for good play...and a couple of disc's and a few bucks isn't what I would call a just reward.

Play it for the competition and experience and that will outway anything you could get for payout. I played a C teir this weekend with eight guys in ADV and I only won $72 for winning which is week but oh well that is what happens when they payout 5 of the 8 players instead of three. :confused: :confused:

I am an avid Am Ball Golfer and play in ton's of tourney's and we get nice trophies for placing, but we also get tons of free stuff too for placing high. <font color="orange"> I tried to tell them this before but they refuse to believe it and just make up some nonscence and change the subject so forget about them listening to that side. By the way is it 500 or 700 that you can now accept without turning pro in Ball Golf??? </font>

I know for a fact that the payout is why a bunch of guys from where I am at stopped going to the KCWO. <font color="orange"> That the ONLY reason I have heard for people not returning to play a second time. </font>

Tourney's are not just about competition, they are also about getting rewarded for good play...and a couple of disc's and a few bucks isn't what I would call a just reward. <font color="orange"> I totally agree which is why at the end of the year I will prolly be moving up into the pro ranks because if all goes well it wont really be FAIR if I continue to play Advanced. Dont worry though. Anytime anyone comes up with a legitimate argument against the powers that be they just get angry and call you a [I'm a potty-mouth!] and say your wrong even when they know your right. Either that or they just ignore you because they know they cant say anything to back up their side of the argument </font>

Play it for the competition and experience and that will outway anything you could get for payout. I played a C teir this weekend with eight guys in ADV and I only won $72 for winning which is week btu oh well that is what happens when they payout 5 of the 8 player instead of three. :confused: :confused:


Aww thats not as bad as T-3rd in an A-tier with 50 people and getting $85...just joking, seriously the payout didnt bother me at all...but you should play down so i can play against you.

Yeah Coda said that he got like $115 for winning last year. I doubt I'm playing down but I will mbe there on thursday and I am going to ST. louis tomorrow. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

that would be fine if the entry reflected the weak payout!!!

Well I figure playing up isn't really donating because I get a free diner and a Players pack(I think). :D:D

absolutely , in that case you are purchasing a package!!

Yeah and I get to win an NT and decline the cash. Wait that was in my dream last night. :D

:Dlmao :Dstill lmao!!!!! :D

Hey I am a 1013 rated poster so don't underestimate me.

Hey I am a 1013 rated posted so don't underestimate me.

you have 1013 rated posted where???? :Dsounds like your still dreaming!! :D

If we go by post rating you would beat me in every tournament but Rhett would be SUPER SCHLIMO.

:D

Hey you just stay in the land of VOID contests.

Hey you just stay in the land of VOID contests.


What does that mean?

Like when you look under a Coke cap and you win but then it says not rfor residents of CAL.

Umm...okay. I guess that makes sense somewhere.

Well there are a lot of things that only us Texans get. :D:D

If anyone has ever competed in other big amateur evenst you know that you play for competition and to be at the top to be number 1, not to win plastic ot tennis raquets, I played tennis for 15 year s as an amtateur and never once complained when I didn't recieve a free racquet after winning a tournament, you play to be the best or strive to be the best and enjoy the game not the payout, you want to play for plastic move up win money and buy plastic. Alot of good ams I know play win plastic and then sell it right away, so spend the money that we put into the plastic we give them into nice players packages and sweet trophies. And also for winners of Adv. can recieve entry fees into the same tournamnet next year for Pro and get a free entry fee or something that would be a lot cooler then give them plastic and let's them see what the pros play like and what they need to do if they want to play for money.

And also for winners of Adv. can recieve entry fees into the same tournamnet next year for Pro and get a free entry fee or something that would be a lot cooler then give them plastic and let's them see what the pros play like and what they need to do if they want to play for money.

thats a great idea

Trophy only is the way to go for the JV'ers...Nice players Package and a trophy to the winner.



Can you explain to me the rational behind this??? Just curious.



The real beauty of it is that it takes those advanced players who are stacking plastic to the ceilings and eliminating the profit they are making by reselling the discs that they win. Some of these guys are "Semi" pros that are playing in the Am fields, to have an easier time at winning...If there is no $500 worth of merch to win then alot of these guys won't even play which in return makes it more fair for the real AM players.

Its ok Kev I know its lonley up there on cloud 9 where you put yourself but stay out of conversations about divisions other then your own




Cloud 9 is FARRRRRRRR from lonely. I'll be at Cloud 9 tonight watching those silky milkies jiggling in my face. Cloud 9 offers $1 dances where the "inspiring models" will give you a quick lapdance and then move on and then the next girl comes along and gives you a quickie, JUST A DOLLAR! What a deal 5 "inspiring models" in my lap in one song. I LOVE IT!

CLOUD 9 is the best pealer in TOWN! :DDon't forget Leggs and Eggs every Thursday through Saturday 2am-5am

"Inspiring Models" and a Breakfast Buffet does it get any better than that?

I'd like one order of Legs Over Easy.

CLOUD 9 is the best pealer in TOWN! :DDon't forget Leggs and Eggs every Thursday through Saturday 2am-5am

"Inspiring Models" and a Breakfast Buffet does it get any better than that?



It is true the $1 dances sometimes you have them lining up on your :o

How could you pass up on breakfast and :o

As of right now I am signed up for ADv but I may switch on friday to Open. :D

do yourself justice and play open!! if you don't you will be kicking yourself the whole time because you should have played open!!

Well justin just called me and was regestering us and he asked me what Div. I asked him what dave said and he told me Adv so right now I am in ADV although I would like to play pro. :confused: :D:D

Anyone know which course will be check in HQ for AM's ?

advanced....sweeeeet, i guess :D. if you dont want to tell him to move you up??

What's up with Ron Klin playing Advanced? :confused:

<font color="red"> This letting pro players play am rule has to go! :( </font>

Kevin, I just arrived in Tulsa. I'll give you a ring if your going to be around tomorrow night. Silky milkies...... :D

As for the rest of you losers I'll come WATCH you play maybe on Saturday or Sunday. Depends on when juniors baseball games are.

That is pretty weak, he definitely should not be playing Adv. he is a Pro no matter what the ratings say, he knows that, maybe it was a mistake :confused:

matt you are a SUPER-BAGGER. :D

I am in KC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At Pete Cashen's right now. Me and CuTT made it in 16 hours.

Good luck in KC fellas.
One

Boobs it's definately not a mistake, he played advanced in the norman pro-am and got 3rd, but 13 strokes behind 1st &amp; 2nd, and I am proud to say i got second

Good luck in KC fellas.
One

Thanks Bertis.

Wow..only a couple of days left!!

Wow..only a couple of days left!!

That's right Eric, bring it on.

I will be there in the morning.

Is Barry playing???

don't know about Barry, the question is "is the Rookie playing???"

Barry took like 20th place a few years ago and has never been back since, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't show up this year also.

Kreke:
Hope to see you this weekend. I imagine there will be a few more trees to avoid than at Old Settlers. Hope you are liking your new place up North. I sent you a PM with my cell number. Wish you were playing this weekend.

Barry took like 20th place a few years ago and has never been back since, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't show up this year also.


Thats kinda odd since WaterWorks is one of his favorite courses.

Anyone know if there is going to be Doubles on Friday or when/where player check-in will be? Their website wasn't too helpful.

chris, i believe there will be a players meeting at downings at 8pm on friday evening.

What is downings and where is it?

heres some directions from Chapman

Some directions:

To Disc Golf World: If coming from Rosedale, turn left onto Mission Rd. Right on Southwest Blvd.. Go about 3 miles. Southwest Blvd. becomes 19th St. Stay on 19th St. for another 0.5 miles. Turn left on Oak St. Go one block to 18th St. Turn right on 18th St. Store is on the
south side of the street right across the street from Weird Stuff Antiques. (About 10-15 minutes.)

If coming from Swope: Turn right (west) on Gregory. Go 1.1 miles, and turn right onto U.S. 71. Go north on U.S. 71 for 6 miles. Exit at 22nd St. Left on 22nd St. Go about 3 blocks, and turn right (north) on Holmes St. Go 4 blocks on Holmes, and turn left on 18th St. Go 1.5 blocks, and store is on the
south side of the street right across the street from Weird Stuff Antiques. (About 10-15 minutes.)

Swope to Hotel or Downings: Go right (west) on Gregory for 4 miles until you reach State Line Rd. Turn right on State Line Rd. Go 3.5 miles north, and turn left on 43rd Ave. Go about 400 yards, and turn right on Rainbow Blvd. Go up street a couple of blocks, and the hotel and Downings will be on your left. (about 20-25 minutes)


Rosedale to Water Works: Left on Mission Rd. Go down hill, and turn right on Southwest Blvd. Go about 1 mile, and turn left on Rainbow Blvd. Go about 400 yards, and go north on I-35. Go about 4 miles. Take the MO-9 Oak St. exit (Exit 2E). Take slight left on ramp, and merge onto MO-9. Go about 2.5 north on MO-9, and bear right onto N. Oak Trafficway where MO-9 and N. Oak Trafficway split. Go about 400 years up hill, and park is on left.

Again, thanks for choosing the Wide Open. As we all know, there are a growing number of choices for tournaments each year, and we're delighted that you'll be in Kansas City. As always, we're looking for some great golf
and lots of fun.

Please don't hesitate to get with me with any questions or special requests.
See phone numbers below.

Travel safely,

John Chapman

Thanks Paul.

Is that players meeting on Friday night mandatory???

Kreke:
Hope to see you this weekend. I imagine there will be a few more trees to avoid than at Old Settlers. Hope you are liking your new place up North. I sent you a PM with my cell number. Wish you were playing this weekend.



Hitman, you've got a PM. I'll try to hook up with you guys on Friday for a practice round. I might come out on Sunday to watch the finals. Depends on how much grass I have to mow! If I could have gotten in 10 practice rounds I would've played but it just wasn't in the cards. Actually the cards took up so much time last weekend is a big part of why I didn't get in any practice rounds! :D

Is Barry playing???

No, he has not played here in 3 years.

Yesssssss, last full day of work this week!!!

Is that players meeting on Friday night mandatory???

i dont know, i doubt its madatory. you might try and contact the TD to make sure though. i can't believe theres not anyone from KC on here posting information about their biggest tournament of the year. hmmmm :mad:

Yesssssss, last full day of work this week!!!



same here, if it stops raining. ( i work outdoors ) :D

Go away rain!

good luck matt

Folks,

Registration is coming along nicely. We will be limiting the total pro field to 90 players. We currently have 79 total pros. We opened up more space to let more amateurs in, so we can accomodate up to 180 ams. If you want to register, you can do it one of two ways:

1. Call us at 888-237-6884, and we can take your entry over the phone with a credit card.

2. You can also register at www.discgolfworld.com (http://www.discgolfworld.com) with a credit card.

If you have any questions, please email me at john@discgolfworld.com or call 888-237-6884 and ask for John or Rick. We'll be happy to answer any and all questions by phone or email, but we will not be actively montoring this message board, so please call or email, and don't post any official questions here, as we likely won't be posting any official answers, at least not very often.

Thanks,

John Chapman
Kansas City Flying Disc Club

What about Nikko at 931 only 16 yrs old? The kid can play golf!

So this means all the pro's, masters, and women will be in one flight?

I HOPE SO! ;)

Yes, MCcoy Boy.

All pros will be in the same flight.

Chap

ashley from okc are you out there?

Coda will finish 3rd or 4th with the hot 3rd round and 2nd best 4th round tied with one unknown! ? How do you send a personal message to someone you only know there PDGA #?

Coda's going to have to register first before he can finish in the top 5. We have not heard from him, so we're assuming he's not coming. Only 9 spots left, so he'd better hurry if he wants in.

Chap

Good luck to all the NC playas in KC!!

Schweb
J cuTT Land
Mike Jo
Libby
Josh Blackwell

Team Spirit reunites @ KCWO! Lets go Team SPiRR-RRITT!!!!

What about Nikko at 931 only 16 yrs old? The kid can play golf!

Yeah I am staying with Dave,Justin, and Nikko and he did beatme at Endicott yesterday but I got him at Waterworks. :D

Matt watch what you say and play your game. Showem what our children can do :p

Thabks Vin why aren't you making this one? Long Drive? :confused:

Wish I could. lots going on around here.

Team Spirit reunites @ KCWO! Lets go Team SPiRR-RRITT!!!!

Yeah SPIRIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gunna get wet this morning..

big storms rolling through right now thats nice weather for an NT.

Any scores yet. Did they postpone play?

Advanced scores are up.

Thanks Chuck. Have you seen a Open update?

Nothing on Open yet. The Harborview event results for the day are up if you're checking for results.

Come on Chapman,what the total? :D

We had thunderstorms in the area today (had a one hour delay) and had trouble getting cell phone coverage out at Wyco. due to that. We'll get Pros scores up tonight....I promise. Sorry for the delay.

Chap

Nice comeback in round 2 Matt!

Come on Scoot_er! I know who you are! :D

Hatfield and Middlecamp tied after 2 rounds! The argument can't be settled if you guys tie :D

Pro scores are up....sorry for the delay....had to go to a land line to upload.

Chap

Nice comeback Conners. Good shootin Coda, looks like you'll get to play with Climo tomorrow, good luck Bro. Hang in there Kev, Sunday's your day.

keep it up Matt and Alex!! way to represent!!!!!

you are doing a great job. keep up the good work!

Remind me, is Peter M. who Coda is up against for rookie of the year. I play 4 days a week with Coda and he is something special. He started off a little over confident (but how couldn't you be?), but has leveled out into a very respectable person/golfer. He is one of my closest friends and I would do anything to help him out. I would love to see Peter play sometime. Have you seen him? Coda? Both? What is your opinion.

Nice comeback Conners. Good shootin Coda, looks like you'll get to play with Climo tomorrow, good luck Bro. Hang in there Kev, Sunday's your day.



Thx Camarelli wish you were here, my pony arm managed 5 birdies in a row 2nd round and pretty much played par golf after that...i enjoyed the comp with all the guys I played with today...GREAT PEOPLE ON MY CARDS SO FAR WITH NO JACKASSES, yesssssssssssssssssss.

2 bad shaggy's not playing :( one of the best advanced okie disc golfers ever!

Nice Conners!..Keep it rolling and good luck!!!!

Come on KID - atleast you aren't just whooping on PeeWee this weekend :D

Go OKIES

For you sports fans, sitting at your computers on Sunday afternoon, watching the hole-by-hole numbers for the final nine of the 2005 KC Wide Open (presuming that the weather and technology are cooperating), below are the distances of the final nine holes. The double mando on the final hole is only about 75-80 feet from the tee and is about 12-15 feet wide. Might it make a difference if there is a close battle among the 4 men and top 3 women who will be playing in one group?

About today, the Wyco Gold course held most of the pros' interest with a wide range of scores on hole #13 (3 to 11) and was somewhat reminiscent of the 1/4 mile hole at Winthrop, but about 350 feet shorter. Open division leader ChrisSprague missed a 10-footer on #13, to mar an almost-perfect round.

Here are those distances. Enjoy.

Final 9 for Top 4 Open and Top 3 Women-Water Works Park
#1 508
#7T to #10 325 Aprox
#8 531
#9 286
#10 350
#11 309
#12 296
#13 from top of hill 526 (temp tee)
#18 201 double mando

Nice Final 9 Rick!

Who made 3's on 13?

Nice Job Smitty...Good Luck on sunday

Way to represent the ATX Alex.

I would love to see Peter play sometime. Have you seen him? Coda? Both? What is your opinion.






Actually I have never seen either on of them play or even seen them period...lol

I was just commenting toward the battle for the Rookie of the year. Saw that they were tied and with all the arguing on this board about who is better I thought that to be pretty funny since this is the first event they have played in together since they both turned pro.

Go Smitty! <font color="red"> </font>

Hey Kyle. I played against Peter at Am Nationals a few years ago and he was pretty good...he won. I don't think he has the potential of our young friend though, Coda's possibilities are unlimited. Hope all's going good there in the city, the mountains here are beautiful.

check out the BAGGER tied for first in ADV. he has won cash everyyear he has played. WHY IS HE PLAYING ADV!!! :confused:

check out the BAGGER tied for first in ADV. he has won cash everyyear he has played. WHY IS HE PLAYING ADV!!! :confused:



his ranking all the way back to 2001 shows he won cash in either Masters or Pro every year since then! It would be hard to belive that he has never accepted the cash in the past 5 years of tourney play.

What is going on with this???

Pros can enter Am this year if their rating is under 955. His is 952. I and several others including women pros have done so and also cashed this year in our native pro divisions. Big whoop. We sometimes play within our rating level in larger semi-pro (Am) divisions when ours is small or doesn't exist.

yeah...big whoop to you. let's get someone's take on this that is not partial to being able to play in both the open and am divisions.

pro's dropping to play in am divisions defeats the purpose of a rating system doesn't it??? :confused:

It's not like this guy is shooting lights out and running away with it, he's shooting like a good advanced player..

pro's dropping to play in am divisions defeats the purpose of a rating system doesn't it???



The purpose of the rating system is to get players of similar skill competing together. That's what's happening. That's what the Mid-Nationals is all about. If it's not apparent, most "pros" are not pros and most "ams" are not ams in disc golf. If their ratings are similar, they're just playing for metal versus plastic coins.

Where are the am scores posted?
thnx

pro's dropping to play in am divisions defeats the purpose of a rating system doesn't it???



The purpose of the rating system is to get players of similar skill competing together. That's what's happening. That's what the Mid-Nationals is all about. If it's not apparent, most "pros" are not pros and most "ams" are not ams in disc golf. If their ratings are similar, they're just playing for metal versus plastic coins.



then i think if an am steps up and plays pro one weekend and wins cash then they should not lose their am status.....if we hook up the people that are border line then everyone should get the same option

scores are available by clicking on the "PDGA Tour" link at the top of the page and then selecting the tournament you want to see scores for...

We're not talking about mid-nationals here...

Talking about a guy who's rating barely drops below the magic 955 number playing his first advanced tournament in at least 4 years (history doesn't go back before 2001).

He plays open/masters all these years and thanks to the famously inexact rating system (doubling those 890 rounds sure helps) he gets a chance to try his hand at advanced first time after the latest ratings update.

Don't worry KC, the commish isn't going to be taken down by some bagger taking advantage of the (flawed) system.

Exactly..this weekend has Pro and AM...if you cashed...for the past 5 years in PRO and PRO MASTERS..atleast play PRO MASTERS..

Talking about a guy who's rating barely drops below the magic 955 number playing his first advanced tournament in at least 4 years (history doesn't go back before 2001).



sorry not his first adv tourney.

Bagger. (http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4739#Masters)

and I thought the PDGA was trying to GROW their player memberships. :confused: When players can jsut drop back to adv whenever their rating lets them will DETER players form playing. What a JOKE IMO

Go Val!!

I had not been able to play Adv because I cashed at a tournament in 1999, then with the new ratings guidlines, I was able to play 2 Advance tournaments this spring. I got 2nd place both times. (I would have played in Waco this weekend if i could, but my rating went up after a few rounds of playing advanced)

so what is the big deal.

You have an OK Masters player with an Advance rating wanting to play in a bigger division at a tournament that has a history of not paying out very well in Masters (or Adv for that matter)

What I want to see is a cap on the Adv division ratings. If you are rated at or above, say 980, you should not be able to compete in advance any more.

BTW, check out the Waco tournament this weekend. The leader after the first day cashed on Pro weekend last month.

BTW, check out the Waco tournament this weekend. The leader after the first day cashed on Pro weekend last month.



How freakin weak of a victory that will be if he can hold on to his lead. "Hey, I cashed at a National Tour event in Waco and now I am playing the Am "B tier" weekend in Advanced". OH, how proud he should be :confused:

Bryan..I don't know if Collier took the cash or not, but he is a prime example...screw the ratings system..this is about knowing you are playing above an Average ADV for the last 5 years.


You have an OK Masters player with an Advance rating wanting to play in a bigger division at a tournament that has a history of not paying out very well in Masters (or Adv for that matter)




He didn't hapeen to cash a few times like yourself. He has been doing it for 5 years...is he coming to TULSA to play ADVANCED...??...

BS...with these ranking I will just go back to kicking arse in AM...though I have 1 adv. doubles win and 1 adv singles tie this year!

'm sure he paid for it with the cash from that tourney too...

Look at the Adv field ..5 of the top 7 are Okies. Looks like the Pro Okies went in the wrong direction :eek:

Gotta give some prop's to Chris Sprague...bring it home man.

Way 2 Go MJ 46 last round is sick

where are them scores?

It's 5:30pm, surely the final 9 has started....

Rumor has it Jared P. from OKC has come back from 4 down to win it in ADV. Okies kicked some serious tail in Adv...Open is another story. I just heard that the Pro players have been waiting (rain delay) supposedly for an hour or two and they only have 1 hole left.

codage!

He's a good golfer, pretty new to the sport, don't think he's even been playing a year yet. He caught Tournament-Head his last few tournies, glad to see him pull it out. Okies molly whopped some [I'm a potty-mouth!] in ADV.

at least the bagger got his due :eek:

BTW, check out the Waco tournament this weekend. The leader after the first day cashed on Pro weekend last month.



How freakin weak of a victory that will be if he can hold on to his lead. "Hey, I cashed at a National Tour event in Waco and now I am playing the Am "B tier" weekend in Advanced". OH, how proud he should be :confused:



Gary did take the cash at the NT and DID win today in Advance.

Gary plays a lot of tournaments. He is a good player that is rated 950. That makes him an Advance player in my book.

(I like how talking about Waco just took over the KCWO thread, as if something doesn't always take this thread over every year)

what happened? is it over?

I left the course and a bad storm was getting close. I wouldn't be surprised if some moves were made in the last full round. Climo had a nasty spit on a great putt. Tim Gill had a special fan-atic. Tim showed a lot of class. It was great to see some old friends.

nice win for the pro in advanced :eek:

nice playing by the okies. devan had a great comeback...devan the youngster gets second to the old timer. i guess the old timer deserves it since none of the young bucks took him down...including my bro who shot a kick azzz third round and had a hard time closing it out....still a good showing MC! :Dhated seeing that 59 final round....doh! :D

HEY KC WHERE DID YOU GET THE SCORES FROM

so did jared win? if not who did?

Conners told me Jared won it...twice. I can't say for sure but that's my impression, the results a few posts up (ADV) is what Conners told me over the phone.

Jared won by 4 with a 47 in the final round. Best round by three out of both rounds. Sprague won open by i think 3 or 4, and they cancelled the final 9. CONGRATS SPRAGUE - TEAM CHAMPION NOW!!!

Where is the hole by hole coverage? I want final 9 action! Who's getting stroked by lightning while putting? 50 foot worm burners should provide some great entertainment for the audience. What audience? Oh yeah cancelled, good call!

Hey whats up with not postponing play at rosedale on saturday??? I really enjoyed playing in a thunderstorm all morning with lightning right on top of us... see ya next year... not!

Looks like the competition in Open was pretty tough- 1000 rated golf tied for last cash for a whopping $42. Schweb, Coda, and Heeren missed the cash.

sorry the "old timer" did not win...i did

Nice work Chris "Circle 3" Sprague on your NT win!!!!!

Great shooting Timmy Gill!!!!

Was this the first time Coda and Pete squared off?

09 Peter Middlecamp 19026 1016 59 54 52 51 -6 216 $273
20 Coda Hatfield ...... 23651 1001 59 54 56 53 E 222 $0


Also, several 1000+ rated superstars had some trouble. Was it hot, wet, or humid? :D

Schweb, Coda and Heeren missed cash. Brinster takes last cash. WTF??

sorry the "old timer" did not win...i did



cool it concededage' i was just reading the scores that were posted on line at the time...which said you got fourth...not trying to take away from your good win :confused:

Nice work Chris "Circle 3" Sprague on your NT win!!!!!

Great shooting Timmy Gill!!!!

Was this the first time Coda and Pete squared off?

09 Peter Middlecamp 19026 1016 59 54 52 51 -6 216 $273
20 Coda Hatfield ...... 23651 1001 59 54 56 53 E 222 $0


Also, several 1000+ rated superstars had some trouble. Was it hot, wet, or humid? :D



still got time for ROY coda! step it up! :D

yeah....the scores changed. what's up? did some fake scores get posted? :Di remember seeing mike shot 59 last round and now it says he shot 57. i wonder where those numbers came from yesterday...WEIRD??

cool it concededage'


i wasn't trying to be like that, i was just letting you know because i wasn't aware that you knew. And personally i don't have a problem with ron klein playing in advanced, but i think if you have accepted cash in any open division your amateur status should be permenantly relinquished.

those scores were just after three rounds...

its called attention to detail ;)

Nice first win codage!

(not counting AM in GC Dubs ;))

Wow, that was tough! I guess I'm not a very good "rain delay" golfer. My first missed cash in 2 years :( It was also a tough field, nearly half the field were over 1000+ rated.

WAY TO GO Justin Kerr ..

I just didn't play very good at all this weekend.... There is always next weekend. That is after I throw about 100,000 putts this week.

Yes, Justin Kerr plays KC very well.....remember, he won AM world's on those courses.

As for Coda, we all know he's better than where he finished. Iron that stuff out young jedi! :D

Was this the first time Coda and Pete squared off?

09 Peter Middlecamp 19026 1016 59 54 52 51 -6 216 $273
20 Coda Hatfield ...... 23651 1001 59 54 56 53 E 222 $0


Also, several 1000+ rated superstars had some trouble. Was it hot, wet, or humid? :D



Coda and Pete squared off at Bowling Green where Coda beat him by 6 strokes......So if your keeping track, after 8 rounds head up they are tied. WOW!

Young Jedi Coda probably wasn't accustomed to putting on all the elevation. He's a flatlander and those tracks we played in KC are the opposite of flat land. Young Jedi will be back on his game very soon. ;)

That's pretty cool that they are DEAD EVEN after the 2 NT events that they have both participated in. Go young Jedi's!

I just didn't play very good at all this weekend.... There is always next weekend. That is after I throw about 100,000 putts this week.


I second that! I lost about 20 strokes, at least 5 per round, because of putting, and all i do is putt on elevation. Putting, putting, and more putting this week...

All this talk of Pete for ROY Didn't he play pro Last year? Shouldn't it be between Coda, Boobs, JJ and those players.... Just wondering.

ce

He is up for ROY for last year, they give the award for last year this year.. if that makes sense?

Ha Pennington,
Is it true you only been playing for 7 months ??

If so thats pretty amazing. You must have felt naturally comfortable the first time you threw the dang Disc. And your game just progressed pretty rapidly from there I would assume??

He started playing with Coda...wait a minute, that doesn't sound right :eek: He's had a pretty good teacher to learn from.

Way to go Kevin Babbit!!!

Yea there was another one in Adv Masters this last weekend. I only watched from a distance and never introduced myself but, this guy should have been pro. Everybody I know, including myself was gunning for the MAN Tom B. whom may I add, shot hot -3 for the old men 1st round Swope to fly into 2nd place. Nobody even had a hope against the first place guy. Great shooting Tom. Hopefully you might change your mind about going to DM. Those courses are beauties!!

RonSTL, MO

Yea there was another one in Adv Masters this last weekend. I only watched from a distance and never introduced myself but, this guy should have been pro. Everybody I know, including myself was gunning for the MAN Tom B. whom may I add, shot hot -3 for the old men 1st round Swope to fly into 2nd place. Nobody even had a hope against the first place guy. Great shooting Tom. Hopefully you might change your mind about going to DM. Those courses are beauties!!

RonSTL, MO



Who, the guy who one, he is a local that only plays this tournament and maybe some small local events. If he were to ever take cash in an open division, he would no longer be able to play Adv Masters, but the way the rules are written right now, he is ok to play in Adv Masters till he cashes.

There was one other player I found that actually has cashed that played Adv Masters, but his rating is currently 911, that is exactly where he should have been playing.

Noticed the great Matt Hall didn't win. Or finish on the top card. Top rated AM by around 20 pts too.

I agree but I see what I see. All is good, but I feel I know Pro and Adv. I am close to Pro, but just close.

RonR
STL MO
16479

Jared,
What did you get for first beshides the $200 players package? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Noticed the great Matt Hall didn't win. Or finish on the top card. Top rated AM by around 20 pts too.



I don't know how this one slipped away I hit all my lines and all my putts; wait that was in my dreams. Ok I didn't do too good uin fact I sucked but I will be in Iowa next week to get some redemption. :D:D

Make sure you win in Iowa.. I thought you would have had it wrapped up.. I was looking at the ratings and thought you would kick [I'm a potty-mouth!].

I had three really brutal rounds where nothing seemed to be going right and by the end of the event I had like 8 discs when I started with 15. :oAt least I did have 1 ok round the problem was I couldn't do it every round. :D

Just pull everything together next weekend. Dont come back to Texas Winless :)

I am actually kinda glad I lost because of mental problems i have been having going into tournaments. :confused: :confused:

great tournament, everyone i shot with was really cool. also downings bar and grill has GREAT food :cool:

i started playing disc golf about 1 year ago, and have been playing competitivly for about 5 months. i was progressing pretty fast before i met coda, then after i started learning from him my game started progressing 10x faster than it already was.

Good playing Jared too bad you can't make it to Des moines. :confused: :confused:

great tournament, everyone i shot with was really cool. also downings bar and grill has GREAT food :cool:



Except for the cold chicken fingers...

SO are u moving up now?

sorry, not yet tokyo, i got lucky in KC. and it sucks hard that i don't have the money for Des Moines

great tournament, everyone i shot with was really cool. also downings bar and grill has GREAT food :cool:



Except for the cold chicken fingers...



:D

good win jared, your time to move up will come eventually. untill then keep kickin it in advanced. :Dany plans to play the PC tournament?

twisted flyer?

I sure liked seeing 7 out of the top 10 advanced players were from Oklahoma...good shootin fellas, I could tell Jared was shooting a hot round on Sunday by all the sweeeet drives he was throwing. Good win Jared!! And hats off to Drew Neitzel, he played a strong Sunday as well.

I had a great time playing with Conners even if I wasn't platying my best and also meeting the rest of the guys I know from here. :D

twisted flyer?



yes, the twisted flyer charity tour stop.

KANSAS and the Mighty MO was lucky us OKIE pros had to play those other courses cuzz if we would have bbeen playing Rosedale and Swope like the JVers, it possibly could have been an OKIE SWEEP in all divisions. I know CODA would have played better on those two tracks, and I personally hated Wyco. I didn't adapt very well to that track. Why is there not a basket around that pond at Wyco? IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL HOLE! Instead of using the natural water hazzard there were fake roped off bunkers that were OB ???? What the F___ ???? very irritating.

REAL NATURAL HAZZARDS are HELLA COOL! Fake yellow rope hazards are LAME-OOO! I even birdied that stooooopid hole twice, but it was still irritating to see people have to take strokes for landing in grass. :mad:

OKIES are getting closer to dominating the WORLD!

BEEEEEEEEEEELIEVE IT! :D

MC thats really 8 out of the top 10 were OKIES, Ron is in the process of moving to OKIEland. Props to 15year old Justin Bougher from Tulsa for beating down the Am field.

Way to represent OKIES!!!! :D

I had a great time playing with Conners even if I wasn't platying my best and also meeting the rest of the guys I know from here. :D



Matt, it was great playing golf with you to man...I enjoyed it even though we were not playing all that great.

I usually play my better golf on Sunday, but last weekend was the exact opposite...oh well, If I don't make GDM good luck!!

If you don't make GDM?


I thought that was a given.

MC, if you thought my drives were nice, you didn't see my putts. I was automatic from 60 ft. best round i have ever played next to norman.

If you don't make GDM?


I thought that was a given.



I feel burned out right now, and I'm not talking about the cheeba cheeba :eek:

MC, if you thought my drives were nice, you didn't see my putts. I was automatic from 60 ft. best round i have ever played next to norman.



You deserved the win, keep up the good play Okie!!

I feel burned out right now, and I'm not talking about the cheeba cheeba




Well you better get your rest before you come up to Ann Arbor. We wouldnt want you to have any excuses for shooting bag now would we??? :D

If you don't make GDM?


I thought that was a given.



I feel burned out right now, and I'm not talking about the cheeba cheeba :eek:



SUCK IT UP! Remember your goal...TOP AM POINTS PLAYER! If you don't go, you'll be kicking your own assss when you see your name listed 2nd behind Eddie_OG! SUCK IT UP COMMISH! We're leaving thursday night, what time you want to be picked up ;) Just two more weekends and then you can take a few off. :cool:

But seriously if you are burned out take a week off, and come back strong for DGLO, you'll need it for that place.

Maybe I can find some of those energy drinks "sum poosie" we got in Phoenix :D

Thanks for the ride offer K-Mac...I'll probably make my mind up this afternoon.

don't be scared... your lady's supportive, your boss don't mind, you've got a ride.... again don't be scared - you owe DesMoines something from your awesome showing at worlds last year - just steer clear of the leaves of three (five's ok)

Good I want u, me and jake to be in the final nine in Tulsa next year.

don't know if i will be around that long though, :p

those scores were just after three rounds...

its called attention to detail ;)



no it was not a case of being a dumbazz and not reading the scores RIGHT (BETTER PROFESSOR NIX?). there were 4 rounds posted and it said ron won and jared got 4th. not my fault someone loaded the wrong scores....i stand behind my trash talk though....ams should be able to take cash if the pros can! :D

attention to detail....smart [I'm a potty-mouth!]!

write is when you write something


right is when you are correct, or the opposite of left.

you were not right when you wrote write.

I only point this out because you are whining about your attention to detail.

actually professor nix...nobody is whining...i just type faster than i think

if i have any more grammar errors please let me know...since i really care....i do...

not really

Another spelling geek...I wonder if Nix can play golf as good as he "RIGHTS" his grammatically correct posts.

:D

i doubt it, he's from texas. :o:D

hey , that is un called for!! :p

actually professor nix...nobody is whining...i just type faster than i think





hmmm...sounds like whining to me!

Another spelling geek...I wonder if Nix can play golf as good as he "RIGHTS" his grammatically correct posts.

:D



I would rather be a 'geek' then 'wrong'
:D

i doubt it, he's from texas. :o:D



now dat wuz funny!!

Another spelling geek...I wonder if Nix can play golf as good as he "RIGHTS" his grammatically correct posts.

:D



I would rather be a 'geek' then 'wrong'
:D



THAN!!!! :D

LOL!!! dammit!

Guess I am a wrong geek who cant play!!

oh the drama!!

http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nefertiti0501/foot+in+mouth.gif

Nix you and Salazar should think about why you guys post so many useless posts...makes for alot of sensless stuff to read through.

Anyone else notice the nice finish by justin kerr?

acceptible=acceptable :D

I am 100% okay with that Jeff, so carry on.


:)