I posted this on the Highest Rated Round thread....

Brian Skinner just shot a 41 on the Dark Side at The Grange in the VA Open. His total beat the course record by 5 strokes.

A 46 was rated 1065, so this should eclipse the 1100 mark.

In doubles Chris Lee and JJ shot a 41 as well and people were impressed. To shoot a 41 in singles is unbelievable....

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4707&year=2005&includeRatings=1#Open

1115....HOLY CRAP

not bad for a guy with a real job. :)

I stand in awe. May I carry your bag sir? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :cool:

Ironic that the guy starting this thread feels ratings are bunk and yet thinks the 1115 is a legitimate number? :eek:

if there EVER was going to be a round that elicpsed the 1100 mark, it is this one. 41 on this course is INSANE.

I think that is the doubles course record as well.....Larry Leonard and Walter Haney shot 47 in doubles....

Trust me.....this is without a doubt the greatest round ever shot.

Some of the best in the world have played this and there has only been 2 rounds of 46.....and skinner shoots 41....unreal

I challenge ANYONE IN THE WORLD to try and come within 4 strokes of this score

I'll try.

But I'll probably only get within 10. :)

I've palyed the Darkside for years and the best that I've ever shot was a -9. I shot a -7 in last years tournament and was extremely happy. Now way would I ever expect anyone to shoot a -13, with a bogey! Brian is a very talented golfer and my hat goes off to him. Congrats buddy!!

are you starting an MTL break the record money pot....?

thats just gross... 1115. makes me want to just go play right now!

This is sick, I didn't enen know that you could shoot higher than 1100.

thats just gross... 1115. makes me want to just go play right now!



1115 makes me want to never play again!! :D

describe the course, or is there a website?

www.grangediscgolf.com (http://www.grangediscgolf.com)

well that clears it all up then, doesn't it?

Is that the whole site?!

The dark side is a very PENALIZING course. It's the first time I have ever "played-out" from 10' off the fairway. Keep it straight and not get agressive has to be the strategy for most folks.

thats just gross... 1115. makes me want to just go play right now!



1115 makes me want to never play again!! :D



So are we to assume that you now respect PDGA Ratings?

Nice shooting Brian, sorry I didn't get a chance to say yoh at the B & T.

The Darkside is probably the perfect course for setting this kind of record. While Brian's round was amazing there is still room for improvement. If you can throw 350ft all but two of the baskets are in range. If you can throw 450 everything is in range. The problem is the pure accuracy and different flight paths that are required to reach the pins and the extreme punishment if you miss a fairway. There are early trees to miss on almost every hole and hitting one of these is an instant bogey or worse. I witnessed some of Kenny's 'perfect' round at the Houston worlds, you would have to have a fairway ace to improve upon that round. Brian's round could be improved upon without a fairway ace but the odds of putting together that many precise shots in a row is extremely low. The 13 under shot in doubles was a very hot doubles round, to achieve this in singles is difficult to explain. When I heard about it after the round my first thought was 'That was the greatest round ever played'.

JGB

I felt the same thing as I was watching it since he was in my group. When he birdied 16 to get to 10 under, I knew I was witnessing something ridiculous.

For those that haven't played the darkside, it's impossible to convey how good a 41 is. I really can't imagine this being broken.

So are we to assume that you now respect PDGA Ratings?




Of course not, but I think this rating for this particular round is accurate and deserved

Not trying to take anything away from Skinner, but if he still missed 2 putts how the hell can it be 1115? I was under the impression that any round in the 1100's would be better than a perfect round. I have played the Grange and its a very cool couple of tracks.

I'm thinking that it was 1115 because there were 6-7, 1000 rated players stinkin it up out there. It can happen easily at a course like the Grange, where average shots turn out being down right dirty after an evil kick off a tree or 8.

Playing that course, I would say that the 41 should be more around the lines of 1080, if the other highly rated players played a little closer to their average. No matter what it is still a ridiculously great round.

At first I was thinking they added some of the Tiki holes to the Dark Side to make that 41 possible :D

**** I wish I could play there more often :(

Congrats to Skinny. I attribute it to Ronnie being in his group,
cause whenever I play with Ronnie...I want to beat the snot out of him too!

Playing that course, I would say that the 41 should be more around the lines of 1080, if the other highly rated players played a little closer to their average. No matter what it is still a ridiculously great round.



food for thought here... a lot of great players have played there repeatedly and that 41 DESTROYED the course record. what was it by... five strokes?

Can you imagine IF that 1115 gets doubled at the next ratings update? If it's one of his last 8 rounds.......look out!!! :D

Playing that course, I would say that the 41 should be more around the lines of 1080, if the other highly rated players played a little closer to their average.



You're crazy. Its 1100 rated round without a doubt. There were 1000 rated players teamed up in DOUBLES and STILL didn't shoot -13. Those 1000 rated players have played there for years and still couldnt touch a 44... much less a 41. Plus they moved 17s tee 50 ft back from when the old course record was set. 1080 my [I'm a potty-mouth!]...


Can you imagine IF that 1115 gets doubled at the next ratings update? If it's one of his last 8 rounds.......look out!!! :D



It probably will get doubled next update. He doesn't play that many tournaments. He will probably play Battlefield but I doubt he'll play anything else before 7/19.

McCoy is just [I'm a potty-mouth!] that he didnt shoot the first 1100 rated round.

Well maybe your right but I just can't even think that he missed two putts inside 40 feet and still shot a 41 there. Thats 39 possibilities.....I was under the impression that it would take a score like 39 to be 1100? I'm not saying it wasn't a sick performance. I just was thinking that the ALMIGHTY 1100 mark was for feets unimaginable, but then again -13 at the Grange might just be that.

I bump it upto 1095 :D

yeah.....If 1100 was supposed to be absolutely perfect that how can he shoot it with all those missed chances. just curious.

if you go play this course for yourself, you will see what we are talkin about... Moser shot an 8 down and Walt, Larry, Robzilla and I were just amazed at how well he shot. Mose tore it up that round. Put it this way, i was very excited about my 4 down the previous day. and Skinna shoots a 13, i didnt think it was possible in singles. unbelievable.

really...i gotta go play to see for myself.

also... no one ever said 1100 was perfect (imo there is no such animal), just better than 1090 and worse than 1110. at this point there have been approx 100 rounds on the darkside by players rated 1000 plus, no one else has EVER shot better than 46. (except walt in a practice round)

It sounds like on this kind of course, with those tight fairways, if you are having THAT good of round in order to shoot -13 and still miss 2 putts, maybe he was shooting better than perfect on the other holes. I think Kevin is just jealous that he didn't get it first :p Granted I've never played the course but it sounds like it is a legit 1115 and he deserves it! Awesome Job Brian!

Jealous???? I would never be jealous of anything. Like I said I have played the track and the 41 is outrageous...Its just that when I heard he missed 2 putts I was thinking that 41 maybe wasn't the hottest round that could be had. Some people would even consider that on a course like that 41 could be extremly LUCKY, I don't buy that one tho cuz Skinny can play, especially in the sticks.

I'll give him 1099.879 :D

whatever the rating is 1099 or 1115, he deserves the highest rated round ever played. i've played lots of golf in my day with lots of great players and that is hands down the best i've ever seen someone play.

and susi, i will take credit for it.

I believe that someone said that those two putts he missed were from around 40ft. Not exactly tap ins.

Hey Chris,

did you hear Justin Bunnell shattered the Idlewild (longs) course record with a 58 ?

the thing is, he did that even though he 3'ed hole 12 (the shortest hole on the course) ... i hear he had a drop in eagle 3 on hole 18 :D

When I played treeze he shot a 47 and a 49, a course that in the long positions (lums pond) can be quite arbitrary holes. Brian coasted to victory. The funny part was the first round defintely played harder than the second. I'd love to what that round rates. Btw Moser came in second that round and overall, he shot a 53 and 49.

That guy has some amazing 'zen' if he is shooting 47 at Lums Pond longs and 41 at the Grange DarkSide.

He was also on the 2nd card going into the 3rd round at the Battlefield Open in VA. Did you see where he finished? :eek:

I heard Geoff Lissaman shot a 39 during a tournament a long time ago. What course and setup was it? What was the par for that course?

I heard Geoff Lissaman shot a 39 during a tournament a long time ago. What course and setup was it? What was the par for that course?



Geoff Lissaman shot a 37 at the 96 Pro Worlds at Rum Village

When I played treeze he shot a 47 and a 49, a course that in the long positions (lums pond) can be quite arbitrary holes. Brian coasted to victory. The funny part was the first round defintely played harder than the second. I'd love to what that round rates. Btw Moser came in second that round and overall, he shot a 53 and 49.



Well then. That just proves it.

Brian, sorry, it was all luck. ;)

Unlike the rest of us who are all awesome and highly skilled and just lack luck...LOL!

Yeah he missed two putts...from about 25 with some stuff in the way, and from about 40-45. But he also deuced two non-deuce holes (yes, I realize in saying this they are possible to deuce, but far, far from likely). The difficult to reach hole 10, and the almost impossible to get to hole 16. This makes it two better than perfect by getting those, and two less than perfect missing the putts, equaling, essentially, perfect golf. He also 3'd a par 4 (**** near two'd it), and missed another hole which is a possible 2. So give some, take some, 1115 it is. McCoy, come on out to da Grange and try to shoot you a 41 on the Darkside. If you do, I'll personally pay for your plane ticket back to the plains where ya come from.

Yeah he missed two putts...from about 25 with some stuff in the way, and from about 40-45. But he also deuced two non-deuce holes (yes, I realize in saying this they are possible to deuce, but far, far from likely). The difficult to reach hole 10, and the almost impossible to get to hole 16. This makes it two better than perfect by getting those, and two less than perfect missing the putts, equaling, essentially, perfect golf. He also 3'd a par 4 (**** near two'd it), and missed another hole which is a possible 2. So give some, take some, 1115 it is. McCoy, come on out to da Grange and try to shoot you a 41 on the Darkside. If you do, I'll personally pay for your plane ticket back to the plains where ya come from.



Damnit I wish I could, that place rocks! I would spend more time playing Tiki Golf, I can barely shoot 41 on my local par 36 course here in Tulsa, so it may take me a few days at the Grange to do this for ya. ;)

You keep giving me good reasons to bump it up. :p I'll give him a 1104 ;) :D

i would of given him an 1117 for that round.....i opened up that tourney with a 55 from the dark side.....my best round personally ever.....rated a 977.....he beat me by 14 strokes....roughly 10 points per stroke....1117.....1115 is too low!!! oh yea and to anyone who doesnt think that skinnas 41 deserves an 1115 rating.....go out and play the dark side at the grange and if you can beat that 41 ill hook ya up with some cash......walt, schweb, larry, jj, barry, kenny, and ill even make that offer to skinna......go play a single round playing by the rules and ill pay ya if you can beat that before the end of 2005....holla!!!

Hell the 47 I shot on the darkside I took 3 4's, 2 of which should have deuces, the other should have been a 3. Converting those puts me at 42...and I shot basically flawless the rest of the round. He still gets me by 1. Hmmmm, and that was the best round I've ever shot in a rated round.

So Brians round is offically rated at a 1101, that's cutting it pretty darn close!

Have to call BS on that rating. It should be higher! I shot a 62 that round rated at 896. I haven't played a sub 910 round since I was an AM and I usually have a pretty good idea how I'm playing. 62 was not that horrible. My worst round in the last 2 years was a 919 and I knew I was playing terrible that day. Brian shattered the best round ever category and should be given credit.

Also they have the 49 on the Sunny side rated higher than a 51 on the Darkside. Insane. The 51 was one of the best rounds I've ever played and it felt like it, the 49 was just an average walk in the park.

JGB

Okay, someone explain to me how Justin Bunnell's rating can only be a 1054. He shattered the record on Idlewild. Shattered it. 1054? Didn't this use to be 1115?

No Paul it was never 1115. It's always been 1054 (or close to it). Chuck says thats because the course par is so high. There are more shots involved at Idlewild than a typical par 54 course. Each stroke equals about 6 or 7 ratings points rather than 10. The SSA for that round was 66.5. 66 - 58 = 8 x 6 = 54 + 1000 = 1054 (or there abouts).

I understand that an 1100 round is probably 10 times harder to shoot at a high SSA course than one with a low SSA becasue there are so many more chances to court imperfection, but if Justin's 58 from the longs at Idlewild is a 1054 -- what would it take to shoot an 1100? 51? :confused:

to me a perfect round at Idlewild would be:

hole
# 1 - 3
# 2 - 3 (long pin)
# 3 - 3 (long tee)
# 4 - 2
# 5 - 4
# 6 - 4
# 7 - 2
# 8 - 2
# 9 - 2
#10 - 3
#11 - 3
#12 - 2
#13 - 3 (long pin)
#14 - 4 (long pin)
#15 - 4
#16 - 3 (long pin)
#17 - 2
#18 - 4
that's a 53

(On separate occasions of course) I once 2'ed hole 1 (fairway ace), 3'ed hole 5 (1 in a 100 over-the-top high risk/reward shot for the drive with a solid approach and putt) and 3'ed hole 15 (1001 foot hole) but that is darn near impossible. Maybe you could say hole 5 would need to be 3'ed and hole 15 3'ed -- but that seems pushing it. 2'ing hole 8 and 3'ing 13 long seems a bit much too, anyone else have input on how a perfect round at Idlewild might look?

I have only played Idlewild 3-4 times and have 3'ed hole 5 and hole 15, so it's not that impossible. To shoot 1100 on a course that hard is almost impossible, it would be much easier to birdie 18 straight holes on an easier course than to shoot a 51 on that course.

Exactly. The screwy thing is that it's easier to to shot an 1100 on an easier course than it is to shot a 1054 on a harder course.

I doubt that, too shoot 1100 on an easy course you still have to play perfect, to shoot 1054 on a harder course you are still allowed a few bad drives or bad throws, the thing is with the harder courses even if you DO have a bad drive you can still make up for it with a great approach. On an easy course if you miss the duece putt, you are done.

Sounds like Morley Field. Par 2 courses are not tournament courses.

Exactly. The screwy thing is that it's easier to to shot an 1100 on an easier course than it is to shot a 1054 on a harder course.


That doesn't make any sense, does it? One is supposed to have just a single rating. I mean, someone with an SSA rating of 1000 should be expected to throw SSA par at all courses, right?

So if someone ever gets an 1100 rating (hard to imagine, but say it's possible), shouldn't they be expected to throw 1100-rated scores at all courses? What I'm reading here is they might be expected to throw 1100 at a short course, but 1054 at a long course. So if that person splits his time evenly between both courses, then he's rated what? 1077?

I bet Barry would have a hard time shooting his rating at Idlewild.

I'm thinking if we limited the field and the propagators were

Barry Schultz 6840 WI USA 1037 M Pro
Jesper Lundmark 15239 SWEDEN 1033 M Pro
Steve Rico 4666 CA USA 1032 M Pro
Ken Climo 4297 FL USA 1031 M Pro
Bobby Musick 15911 CA USA 1028 M Pro
Cameron Todd 12827 NC USA 1026 M Pro
David Feldberg 12626 OR USA 1025 M Pro
Mike Randolph 6138 CO USA 1025 M Pro
Brad Hammock 5912 GA USA 1025 M Pro
Darrell Nodland 7225 ND USA 1024 M Pro

and
Justin Bunnell 20827 MO USA 1010 M Pro

and Justin repeated his course record of 58 for Idlewild (longs)

it would probably be closer to a 1075 round

whatever those guys averaged would be a 1030 round... I'm thinking maybe they could average 64...?

Chris, have you played Idlewild since long pins for 2 and 16 were added?

I'm thinking if we limited the field and the propagators were

Barry Schultz 6840 WI USA 1037 M Pro
Jesper Lundmark 15239 SWEDEN 1033 M Pro
Steve Rico 4666 CA USA 1032 M Pro
Ken Climo 4297 FL USA 1031 M Pro
Bobby Musick 15911 CA USA 1028 M Pro
Cameron Todd 12827 NC USA 1026 M Pro
David Feldberg 12626 OR USA 1025 M Pro
Mike Randolph 6138 CO USA 1025 M Pro
Brad Hammock 5912 GA USA 1025 M Pro
Darrell Nodland 7225 ND USA 1024 M Pro

and
Justin Bunnell 20827 MO USA 1010 M Pro

and Justin repeated his course record of 58 for Idlewild (longs)

it would probably be closer to a 1075 round

whatever those guys averaged would be a 1030 round... I'm thinking maybe they could average 64...?


What that means is the ratings would somehow indicate that the course plays harder if the less talented players don't show up!

That's an interesting math problem. I actually like the ratings system, or the fact that someone takes the time to put some type of ratings system together, but I wonder if there is a way to level things out.

Say, you have a player who is now rated 1020, who plays on average with 980-rated players, and who plays on courses with an average SSA par of 62. Or put another way, you have a player who is rated A, who plays on average with B-rated players, on courses whose SSA pars average C. Could there be an equation for A, B, and C that could be used to normalize a player's rating regardless of the skill of the surrounding players or the SSA par of the course?

whatever those guys averaged would be a 1030 round... I'm thinking maybe they could average 64...?



Okay, they are the best in the world, so let's say they average a 62 at Idlewild from the longs. Strokes at a course with Idlewild's SSA are only worth about 7 points each. So Justin's 58 would be 1030 + 28 = 1058. Which i think is what his round was rated. I am thinking though that they would find they came close to 70 (62 + 8) a lot more often than they came near 54 (62 - 8). A 54 would then be about a 1030 + 56 = 1086; and a 70 would be about a 974.

Chris Heeren -- what do you think those guys would average?

There's a course here in NC where the SSA is either 41 or 40...yeah, sure it's not the toughest course in the world but that's a pretty low SSA. Either way, the ratings jump about 15 points from one stroke to the next, but even if you shoot a perfect -18, the highest rating you'd get for that might be 1050-1060? Larry Leonard has shot -20 on this course and that still isn't a 1100 rated round...the whole rating system baffles me.

-20 would require 2 aces and 16 birdies? Never mind me I'm not good at math.

-20 would require 2 aces and 16 birdies?

you're right... thats how it went (practice round)

Yes Morgan, two aces (very short course, but not so short that you can putt off the tee). Longest hole on the course I think is 300 feet? Shortest is maybe 140 or so? Very aceable course, but to get 16 deuces and 2 aces is just crazy...and should be well over 1100 but the way the rating system is set up for a course like that, -20 on that 18 hole course would have gotten Larry about a 1075 rating.

Are you talking about Horizon park in Winston Salem???

yep

I challenge anyone to ever duplicate LL's feat at Horizons.

any $$$ involved?

-20 would be tough, but i think i could do -19. i could take a weekend just to play that course. start on hole 1, no ace?... start over. ace?... proceed to hole 2. if i miss a deuce... start over.

yeah you can ever stand an ace run hole 1 until you ace it - but once you do, you gotta finish the rest of the round straight up

I challenge anyone to ever duplicate LL's feat at Horizons.




I am sure it will be done now that MTL has issued the challange- and not just becuase it would be an amazing accomplishment! :p

yeah you can ever stand an ace run hole 1 until you ace it - but once you do, you gotta finish the rest of the round straight up



I take it hole #1 is very aceable?

about 150 feet wide open

So if the SSA is 42 then a 34 would be 1000 + ( 8 x 15 ) which equals 1120! I don't see where the problem is there?? Even if you only got 1 ace it would still come out to be a 1105 which is what it sounds like it should be. Just because you shoot an 18 under doesn't mean it should be a 1100 rated round if it is that easy of a course. I've shot -18 before on a course where the SSA is around 42. I don't believe it should be rated 1100 because I'm sure I could do it again if I played enough, 1100 rated rounds should be rounds that only happen once! Not all the time, hence the reason they are 1100 rated!!

the SSA is around 41 - and a 38 was rated 1046

If the SSA is 41, then the average hole must be around 225', no?

Yeah, thats probably accurate - most of the holes are reachable with rocs and avairs - the challenge of the course is to birdie every single hole - it really can be tough

I have often argued that courses like this should be used in the worlds b/c of someone is good enough to throw 450 and hit lines and etc to win a world title, they should also have the abilty to shoot 16 and 17 under on these courses every time.

the SSA is around 41 - and a 38 was rated 1046



If it's 41 and a 38 is a 1046 then a -20 would still be a 1106 like I said before.

I have often argued that courses like this should be used in the worlds b/c of someone is good enough to throw 450 and hit lines and etc to win a world title, they should also have the abilty to shoot 16 and 17 under on these courses every time.



I could not disagree more. Pitch and putt courses like this take away so many elements of golf it's not even funny. It basically reduces it to a putting contest. Why not just settle Worlds with a putt-off?

Worlds golf courses should be a variety of par threes, par fours, and par fives, with drives, approaches AND putts all necessary. Courses where you use drivers, mid-ranges and almost every disc in your bag. This sounds like a course where most 950-rated and up golfers would not use a driver on a single hole. The PDGA would never allow a course like this to be used in Worlds. The Rum Village days are long passed.

I could not disagree more. Pitch and putt courses like this take away so many elements of golf it's not even funny. It basically reduces it to a putting contest. Why not just settle Worlds with a putt-off?




At the pro level doesnt the best putter usually win anyway???

Worlds golf courses should be a variety of par threes, par fours, and par fives, with drives, approaches AND putts all necessary.



I agree, but whats to say that the pitch and putt element is still not involved even in par 4 holes?

Lets say there is a 600 foot hole with OB - average pro will throw 350 - 425 off the tee. This leaves a 250 to 175 upshot, aka, every short course.

I'm not saying that this will ever happen, but I think a short course would be interesting. I know that when the Dogwood Crosstown was played at Cedar Hills and Kentwood ( a pitch and putt), I heard many stories of top pros shooting around 45 (WCP is about 42).

I heard many stories of top pros shooting around 45 (WCP is about 42).



Not that day it wasnt :eek:

I heard many stories of top pros shooting around 45 (WCP is about 42).



Not that day it wasnt :eek:



I tell ya what Steve, I've read many posts by you and like everybody else just ignored half of what you say.....but that is one of the BEST POSTS EVER by anyone on any thread!!!

I tell ya what Steve, I've read many posts by you and like everybody else just ignored half of what you say.....but that is one of the BEST POSTS EVER by anyone on any thread!!!



I thought you might like it :D

You mean you guys listen to half of what I say??? Your wasting alot of time because only about 20 percent of what I say is serious :D

95% of what I say is sarcastic

(including that comment)

I have often argued that courses like this should be used in the worlds b/c of someone is good enough to throw 450 and hit lines and etc to win a world title, they should also have the abilty to shoot 16 and 17 under on these courses every time.



I could not disagree more. Pitch and putt courses like this take away so many elements of golf it's not even funny. It basically reduces it to a putting contest. Why not just settle Worlds with a putt-off?

Worlds golf courses should be a variety of par threes, par fours, and par fives, with drives, approaches AND putts all necessary. Courses where you use drivers, mid-ranges and almost every disc in your bag. This sounds like a course where most 950-rated and up golfers would not use a driver on a single hole. The PDGA would never allow a course like this to be used in Worlds. The Rum Village days are long passed.



Totally agreed. I can't stand pitch and putt courses. Especially when people brag on their skills and they only play one pitch and putt course. Then they come to my course or another that is actually a real golf course and I whoop the snot out of them.

My course is as short as I ever want to competitively play. And it is about 5500-5600ft for 18 holes. I have dueced every hole at least once, and have shot -12 for our 24 hole setup once and a -11 another time. And to me, mine is a short course. 7200ft is a perfect length for a tournament course. At least in my 450ft arms opinion.

If your good you should be able to shoot well on ANY type of course. Whether its pitch and putt, par 60 or par 72. If your good your good if you suck you suck thats all there is to it :D

I heard many stories of top pros shooting around 45 (WCP is about 42).



Not that day it wasnt :eek:



They had a SHORT course at Pro Worlds a while back...I think steve Rico even shot a -16 or -17 on it. It might have been Ohio or Michigan back before 2000, not sure which. Im sure someone with time will look it up and tell us the real story :D

If your good you should be able to shoot well on ANY type of course. Whether its pitch and putt, par 60 or par 72. If your good your good if you suck you suck thats all there is to it



MAybe that is why there should be a shorter "pitch and putt" style course incorporated....I would say only one round for the open men at such a course, but what about the Legends, or Grandmasters. I am betting their arms were tried by the end of Worlds. They have to throw a whole lot of times!!

MAybe that is why there should be a shorter "pitch and putt" style course incorporated....I would say only one round for the open men at such a course, but what about the Legends, or Grandmasters. I am betting their arms were tried by the end of Worlds. They have to throw a whole lot of times!!



I agree 1 round in 9 or whatever should be a short pitch and putt course :D

I disagree!! Pitch n' Putt courses suck and are no fun!! Even though I like to putt I would rather try and get a drive down a fairway rather than to try and make a 20' putt on every hole for duece.

Thats because you dont even carry any MIDRANGES :D

I have a midrange in my bag!! er I did before I threw it into the water at worlds, I'll have to pick up another one this week I guess. :p

They had a SHORT course at Pro Worlds a while back...I think steve Rico even shot a -16 or -17 on it. It might have been Ohio or Michigan back before 2000, not sure which. Im sure someone with time will look it up and tell us the real story :D



I've never heard of Rico shooting a round like that, but the most famous/notorious is Geoff Lissaman at Pro Worlds at Rum Village in 1996. He recorded a score of 37 for eighteen holes!

I don't think the PDGA will ever allow again a Pro Worlds course that could yield that kind of score.

I think in '92 Climo shot -17 or 37 at Firefighters. All of the baskets were in long positions too. I don't think it was set up as 24 hole course because they did not have many spotters and I was not spotting at the ponds. I was spotting the creek on 18 and 12. Of course I was still recovering from fever related brain damage in '92. There might not be one accurate detail in this entire paragraph! :D

I believe J Gary Dropcho has an 1100+ round from the 1998 or 1999 In Flight Open where he shot a 39!!!

Wow, Deitzel makes an appearance! Where you been hidin' out, Chris?

Brad Schick shot a 36 in our local c tier (King of the Courses). He strung together 18 straight 2's and it was only rated 1070. This was obviously a pitch and putt course, but that is still impressive.