4 times a year, we all do this crazy waiting game on the days that ratings are supposed to come out......

In honor of our ratings, what would you rate the process it takes to get these things posted?

I would say 900, but if there were a lot of people online with a high post count, I'd say 915

954, great advanced ratings but not quite good enought rate the pros based on the rating guidelines :D

I think it is VERY lame that they pull this crap all the time. Tell us you don't know when they are going to go up and suprise us or something - - or how about tell us Wed. when you think Monday - - 10:41 eastern and no ratings - lame

874

What I think is most lame of all is how everyone gets their panties in a bunch over this.

I give all the whiners a collective 795 rating. :D

Sorry - this has probably been addressed before, but there has to be a better way. Is there not a computer program that can adjust ratings once they are submitted by the TD? :confused: Thus, the ratings could be updated once a month or some other reasonable time? I find it weird that it takes so long to do (though I do respect the problems with this not necessarily being a salaried job).

PEACH

<font color="blue"> R e l a x ! ! ! </font>
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<font color="blue"> I t w i l l b e O K </font>
:D

I can't wait to go to sleep around 1 AM, wake up around 11 AM (hey, im a fresh graduate and unemployed) and see that the ratings are not up yet

I send 1,000's of dollars a year to the pdga - if you post a new date after they are already late, stand by it. I would not care if they just said we are not sure yet.

Thank you v-teers. But lets pay someone to do this now. It is WAY too important not to.

It is only 8:30 p.m. on the left coast. Theo has not even finished reading bedtime stories. I'm betting it gets done tonight PDST

Lets hope.

Maybe they are all in Hawaii.

.............maybe so :eek:

still no updates. yes, it's this early.

got rudely awakened at 2:30am when the dogs ran into the bathroom barking. My wife went in there to find a bat shrieking in the bathtub, that then flew out. It then proceded to the bedroom where it flew in circles until I could swat it and escort it out the window.

Since then I haven't been able to sleep pondering disc golf courses in my uptight hometown...

It'd be nice to have the ratings, at least I could be the first to see them....

Id have to say that I would rate it somewhere in teh 700s because they always show up like 8 or 10 holes (days) late and then when they come out they are never really up to par (complete with all rounds played) So if your ten holes late your alreayd 40 over par and then to shoot crappy the rest of the round your definatley in the low 700s.

Thanks to the Volunteers but its time we started PAYING PEOPLE TO DO THESE JOBS. We arent going to get anywhere just asking people to GIVE AWAY THEIR TIME.

I want to see my freaking rating since I PAID FOR IT and its already like 9 days past due :mad:

I can't wait to go to sleep around 1 AM, wake up around 11 AM (hey, im a fresh graduate and unemployed) and see that the ratings are not up yet



your wish came true

With the ratings being delayed, I'm going to try to sneak one more intermediate tournament in this weekend! :o:D

Since this seems to happen almost every time; my suggestion to the PDGA is DON'T SAY ANYTHING! When people ask when the ratings are coming out, say, "When we get to it." Has a ratings update happened on time AT ALL in the past two years? Sorry to say it but, "Professional"? BAH!

I agree with mills !!!

:o
:D
:eek:
:p

I thought you guys might need some of this...
http://progress.enidnews.com/images/uploads/cheese.jpg
to go with all this WHINE.

They aren't late unless they don't get posted today. Chuck said all along that it would be sometime between late Sunday (5/22) and late Tuesday (today). The date on the front page was a target date, but for crying out loud, these people have lives you know. Sometimes life gets in the way.

As nice as the sentiment is to pay our volunteers, I really don't want to have $200+ per year dues just to pay someone to have ratings posted "on time". This isn't life or death. A day "late" isn't going to throw off the ratings when they do come out. They'll show up when they show up. Go back to your lives people.

--Josh

mmmmmmmmmmmm....cheese.....................

What I think is most lame of all is how everyone gets their panties in a bunch over this.

I give all the whiners a collective 795 rating. :D



Jeff, when you consider that the competitive system is based on these numbers, is it really whining to expect the ratings to be on time?

As nice as the sentiment is to pay our volunteers, I really don't want to have $200+ per year dues just to pay someone to have ratings posted "on time". This isn't life or death. A day "late" isn't going to throw off the ratings when they do come out. They'll show up when they show up. Go back to your lives people.



Well then this sport is NEVER going to go very far if everyone involved just wants to taket he cheap and easy way out. I would pay 200 dollars a year no problem. Thats not even a dollar a day for what we get. Thats still CHEAP!!! If it would get everything done on time and done RIGHT then why would you complain. Every day im getting more and more tired of this Volunteer and non profit cop out that I hear EVERY SINGLE TIME that something is late or not done right. I thank the volunteers very much for what they do and I know its a thankless job and someone has to do it but for good sakes if your going to volunteer your time atleast get the job done on time and done right.

I know you guys are going to jump all over me for that comment but its true. I dont volunteer my time because I KNOW I wouldnt be able to get the job done right with the ammount of time that I have. That is EXACTLY why I dont volunteer. This organization is not going to get very far if it is run and dependant on volunteers to get the job done. Thats just the facts!!!

my question really stems from what someone else said already... is there not a program that the pdga is using to pump these numbers out for them? they can NOT be hand-crunching 7700+ members' ratings by hand.

or can they? we're still using excel to report tournament results, for crying out loud..... :o

I really don't care to see them. I really don't care for them. I do like the entertainment that they bring though. Nice Cheese Josh! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Yeah Josh,

Nice cheese!

Cheese is good.

http://www.foodprocessing-technology.com/projects/arla/images/ARLA-9.jpg

http://www.laughingcow.com/lc/lc.nsf/Lkp/cfover_cheese_image.jpg/$File/cfover_cheese_image.jpg

I like these kinds...

Thanks E. Now i'm hungry.

<font color="blue"> :) </font>

while respecting the volunteers who do the massive amount of work it takes to do the ratings, lets just reflect on a couple things...

first, have you ever volunteered to help? if so, what kind of answer did you get? (i did, and i'm not gonna say)

second, if we wanna be "professional", then lets get professional quality ratings! the PGA can tell you before the tournament is over what the effect on world rankings will be for a wide variety of possible finishes. we, on the other hand, must wait for 5 months into the next year to get all of the previous years events into the system!

there is only one solution - the objective MUST be

REAL TIME RATINGS!

Well then this sport is NEVER going to go very far if everyone involved just wants to taket he cheap and easy way out. I would pay 200 dollars a year no problem. Thats not even a dollar a day for what we get. Thats still CHEAP!!! If it would get everything done on time and done RIGHT then why would you complain. Every day im getting more and more tired of this Volunteer and non profit cop out that I hear EVERY SINGLE TIME that something is late or not done right. I thank the volunteers very much for what they do and I know its a thankless job and someone has to do it but for good sakes if your going to volunteer your time atleast get the job done on time and done right.

I know you guys are going to jump all over me for that comment but its true. I dont volunteer my time because I KNOW I wouldnt be able to get the job done right with the ammount of time that I have. That is EXACTLY why I dont volunteer. This organization is not going to get very far if it is run and dependant on volunteers to get the job done. Thats just the facts!!!


Steve, if everyone had your attitude (I don't volunteer because I don't have the time to do it "right") then NO ONE would volunteer at all and nothing would ever get done. Sometimes we have to make do with what we've got until something or someone better comes along.

And not wanting to pay $200+ for a membership every year isn't being cheap or copping out, it's reality. For roughly 90% of the PDGA membership, this is just a hobby. And it's one in which PDGA membership isn't necessary to take part. Many of those folks would probably chose to not renew at $200...not because they're cheap, but because the PDGA and disc golf tournaments don't rank high enough in their life priorities (family, job, rent/mortgage, food on the table, car payments, etc) to justify the price tag.

When you consider how many people play the game and don't join the PDGA at a $40/55 per year price, how many of those people are going to jump on the bandwagon if the price jumps to $200/year? The number one question I get when I suggest to people that they join the PDGA, they ask "what's in it for me?" Many don't see the value in paying $40 for an am membership if they don't play tournaments (or just one or two per year)...they have no need for ratings or points or a professional tournament series. They just want to play.

It's economics...raising the dues that high would result in decreased membership and decreased revenues. And as a result, the PDGA would still be in the position of needing volunteer help in order to keep things running. It's just the way it is...it's noble that you'd pay $200 without blinking, but not everyone can do that so easily.

--Josh

Steve, if everyone had your attitude (I don't volunteer because I don't have the time to do it "right") then NO ONE would volunteer at all and nothing would ever get done. Sometimes we have to make do with what we've got until something or someone better comes along. <font color="orange"> I love it. More cop outs. If your going to do something either do it RIGHT or dont do it at ALL!!! What a waste to do something HALFA$$ED. That is just pathetic. We can just WAIT untill something better comes along. We need to MAKE OR FIND something better. We can just sit back and wait and hope it falls in our laps. That is the worst attitude possible. Im sorry but I dont have the time to volunteer. If I did I would but I dont so I cant. </font>

And not wanting to pay $200+ for a membership every year isn't being cheap or copping out, it's reality. For roughly 90% of the PDGA membership, this is just a hobby. And it's one in which PDGA membership isn't necessary to take part. Many of those folks would probably chose to not renew at $200...not because they're cheap, but because the PDGA and disc golf tournaments don't rank high enough in their life priorities (family, job, rent/mortgage, food on the table, car payments, etc) to justify the price tag. <font color="orange"> You cant always cater to the people who dont want to pay for what they get. I mean come on now. This is supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL organization and we cant even get scores and handicaps (ratings) in or updated on time. That is just plain rediculous. </font>

When you consider how many people play the game and don't join the PDGA at a $40/55 per year price, how many of those people are going to jump on the bandwagon if the price jumps to $200/year? The number one question I get when I suggest to people that they join the PDGA, they ask "what's in it for me?" Many don't see the value in paying $40 for an am membership if they don't play tournaments (or just one or two per year)...they have no need for ratings or points or a professional tournament series. They just want to play. <font color="orange"> Those are the people we are looking to be members. They dont benefit from ANYTHING that we do so why should they be members??? It makes no scence for them to join. As the sport grows there will be people who are willing to pay 100 or 200 dollars a year for what the PDGA is supposed to be doing. THAT is were our revenue and player base is going to come from. </font>

It's economics...raising the dues that high would result in decreased membership and decreased revenues. And as a result, the PDGA would still be in the position of needing volunteer help in order to keep things running. It's just the way it is...it's noble that you'd pay $200 without blinking, but not everyone can do that so easily. <font color="orange"> Im sorry everyone cant afford that but I just dont see the PDGA or this sport going very far without more money being paid to the PROFESSIONAL organization that keeps our sport running. </font>

. I would pay 200 dollars a year no problem.



It's only $150.00 (http://www.pdga.com/acemembers.php)

I'm going to go to work now,so if you all could sit here and makes sure nothing changes untill i get back i would appreciate it! :eek:

If we are going to say what divisions ppl can and cannot play based on ratings, then they need to get them up quicker and in a more timely manner.

I know a buddy of mine of wants to play int. this weekend, but still does not know what his rating will do. I'm sure he is loving the fact that he still doesn't know what division he will play this weeekend

maybe it will take them another week and it want matter where princess plays.

: ) :

Thanks to the Volunteers but its time we started PAYING PEOPLE TO DO THESE JOBS. We arent going to get anywhere just asking people to GIVE AWAY THEIR TIME.

I want to see my freaking rating since I PAID FOR IT and its already like 9 days past due :mad:


If you (as in "y'all", not just pimp) were actually paying for all services rendered in the name of the PDGA, y'all would be screaming and crying about the $250+ membership dues.

So just shut your pie-holes. :mad:

Ratings dudes: please stop posting dates when the rating might be done. Like all good deeds, it seems to be generating a whole lotta ill-will. Juts say "we'll put them up when we can, hopefully that will be 4 times a year." It doesn't bother me one bit when they come out "around" the target date, and I thank you for your efforts. But when a bunch of cry-babies start whining that you aren't staying up until 1:00 AM to do this for us, then there is something wrong.

And it isn't something that is wrong with the volenteers, either.

If you (as in "y'all", not just pimp) were actually paying for all services rendered in the name of the PDGA, y'all would be screaming and crying about the $250+ membership dues.



Did you read my earlier post. I think the dues SHOULD be 200+ and I wouldnt complain. Atleast then we COULD PAY THE FREAKIN PEOPLE to do a good job instead of just having volunteers who say "Come on guys im just a volunteer" thats the worst excuse EVER!!! If your going to volunteer your time then DO A GOOD AND TIMELY JOB!!!

You dont see the guys who VOLUNTEER to build houses doing a CRAPPY JOB and not finishing on time do you. I mean would it be ok if habitat for humanity just said your house will be done on the 15 and then they said wait no the 23rd then on the 23rd they didnt say anything they just didnt finish it. Then when they did finish it they left out some support beams and the electricity. I mean its ok though because they are ONLY VOLUNTEERS right???

Why don't the people in charge of posting the ratings take some ownership and let us know why the ratings aren't posted on time.

Dam Pimp that is good point. Habitat for Humanity who'd a thunk it.

i'm just excited to see this many people eagerly anticipating the latest ratings. with my low rating, i don't feel like i have a chance to win in any tourneys, i rarely land in the plastic, but i love playing tourneys just to see if my player rating will go up, down, or if i'm playing at my usual level. but i figured that i might be in the minority, getting excited about ratings.

i hope all this passion translates into more ratings based tourneys. i really love being quantifiable.

http://www.blindalley.com/portfolios/extrememakoverimages/extremetyannouncement.jpg

<font color="red"> MOVE THAT BUS!!!!!!! </font>

As nice as the sentiment is to pay our volunteers, I really don't want to have $200+ per year dues just to pay someone to have ratings posted "on time". This isn't life or death. A day "late" isn't going to throw off the ratings when they do come out. They'll show up when they show up. Go back to your lives people.



Well then this sport is NEVER going to go very far if everyone involved just wants to taket he cheap and easy way out. I would pay 200 dollars a year no problem. Thats not even a dollar a day for what we get. Thats still CHEAP!!! If it would get everything done on time and done RIGHT then why would you complain. Every day im getting more and more tired of this Volunteer and non profit cop out that I hear EVERY SINGLE TIME that something is late or not done right. I thank the volunteers very much for what they do and I know its a thankless job and someone has to do it but for good sakes if your going to volunteer your time atleast get the job done on time and done right.

I know you guys are going to jump all over me for that comment but its true. I dont volunteer my time because I KNOW I wouldnt be able to get the job done right with the ammount of time that I have. That is EXACTLY why I dont volunteer. This organization is not going to get very far if it is run and dependant on volunteers to get the job done. Thats just the facts!!!



Spoken like a "True Pro", er, "Sandbagger", er, "BIATCH"

Why dont you start your own ORG then PIMP...
or better yet...SHUT UP and help out /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
:D

Steve, if everyone had your attitude (I don't volunteer because I don't have the time to do it "right") then NO ONE would volunteer at all and nothing would ever get done. Sometimes we have to make do with what we've got until something or someone better comes along. <font color="orange"> I love it. More cop outs. If your going to do something either do it RIGHT or dont do it at ALL!!! What a waste to do something HALFA$$ED. That is just pathetic. We can just WAIT untill something better comes along. We need to MAKE OR FIND something better. We can just sit back and wait and hope it falls in our laps. That is the worst attitude possible. Im sorry but I dont have the time to volunteer. If I did I would but I dont so I cant. </font>

And not wanting to pay $200+ for a membership every year isn't being cheap or copping out, it's reality. For roughly 90% of the PDGA membership, this is just a hobby. And it's one in which PDGA membership isn't necessary to take part. Many of those folks would probably chose to not renew at $200...not because they're cheap, but because the PDGA and disc golf tournaments don't rank high enough in their life priorities (family, job, rent/mortgage, food on the table, car payments, etc) to justify the price tag. <font color="orange"> You cant always cater to the people who dont want to pay for what they get. I mean come on now. This is supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL organization and we cant even get scores and handicaps (ratings) in or updated on time. That is just plain rediculous. </font>

When you consider how many people play the game and don't join the PDGA at a $40/55 per year price, how many of those people are going to jump on the bandwagon if the price jumps to $200/year? The number one question I get when I suggest to people that they join the PDGA, they ask "what's in it for me?" Many don't see the value in paying $40 for an am membership if they don't play tournaments (or just one or two per year)...they have no need for ratings or points or a professional tournament series. They just want to play. <font color="orange"> Those are the people we are looking to be members. They dont benefit from ANYTHING that we do so why should they be members??? It makes no scence for them to join. As the sport grows there will be people who are willing to pay 100 or 200 dollars a year for what the PDGA is supposed to be doing. THAT is were our revenue and player base is going to come from. </font>

It's economics...raising the dues that high would result in decreased membership and decreased revenues. And as a result, the PDGA would still be in the position of needing volunteer help in order to keep things running. It's just the way it is...it's noble that you'd pay $200 without blinking, but not everyone can do that so easily. <font color="orange"> Im sorry everyone cant afford that but I just dont see the PDGA or this sport going very far without more money being paid to the PROFESSIONAL organization that keeps our sport running. </font>





You continue to reference "WE" but then say YOU dont volunteer. :p

Please stay in Michigan, because we dont need you out West :D

i hope all this passion translates into more ratings based tourneys. i really love being quantifiable.



With the exception of the Mid-Nationals tournament this summer in northern Wisconsin, there are no more ratings-based tournaments.

(With the caveat that all PDGA-sanctioned events with amateur divisions are divided by ratings breaks)

I mean would it be OK if the Arbor Hospis (sp?) volunteers just didnt show up or didnt feed or help their patients. I mean they are only volunteers right??? They dont get paid to do their job so why do a good one right??? Or maybe if volunteer firefighters showed up to fires and said I dont really feel like putting this out right now I mean Im only a volunteer right??? I shouldnt have to do a good job because I voluntee right??? I mean who cares if I put this fire out or not its not my responsibility im only a volunteer!!!

Oh my, Steven. You aren't making many friends, are you?

I really want to beat all of your posts to death, but it would take too long to poke holes in each of your flawed arguments, and I just don't have the time to do a good job. Anyway, I tend to dismiss the stupid, so until you can show that you are capable of rational thought, learn to spell correctly, and stop capitalizing random words, chances are I will just ignore this rant and others like it.

Big hugs and sloppy kisses sweetie,
John

I think all PDGA members who paid $150 or more should get there ratings first :D

On that note, I bet i am rated 955

I mean would it be OK if the Arbor Hospis (sp?) volunteers just didnt show up or didnt feed or help their patients. I mean they are only volunteers right??? They dont get paid to do their job so why do a good one right??? Or maybe if volunteer firefighters showed up to fires and said I dont really feel like putting this out right now I mean Im only a volunteer right??? I shouldnt have to do a good job because I voluntee right??? I mean who cares if I put this fire out or not its not my responsibility im only a volunteer!!!



that sounds perfectly alright to me. if you're too lazy to put out your own fires your house deserves to burn. and if the homeless really needed food they'd go steal some.

that sounds perfectly alright to me. if you're too lazy to put out your own fires your house deserves to burn. and if the homeless really needed food they'd go steal some.



Arbor Hospice helps dying people get fed and taken care of so that their families can go do what they need to do. Nice try though. Second off volunteer firefighters help put our fires at OTHER peoples homes. So would you like it if you called the fire department who had some volunteers and you called them at like 5 pm cuz your house was on fire but they didnt show up untill 8 or 9 after it was already burnt down. Then when you asked them why they didnt get there faster they all said " Jeez man lay off us we are only volunteers for crying out loud. You didnt expect us to do the job quickly and effectively did you???

John I will not even comment on your post as my argument does have validity and you just dont want to admit it. You and the other MillZ haters can go have a party somewhere and talk about how much you all dislike me but I do have a point.

I am just trying to figure out how on earth someone could come up with a figure like $250 for a membership in order to pay the cost of someone getting paid to do the ratings?? :confused:

Do you really think that someone deserves $1.6 mil a year to keep up with the ratings??

i hope all this passion translates into more ratings based tourneys. i really love being quantifiable.



With the exception of the Mid-Nationals tournament this summer in northern Wisconsin, there are no more ratings-based tournaments.

(With the caveat that all PDGA-sanctioned events with amateur divisions are divided by ratings breaks)



Not entirely correct...

The PDGA Match Play Championships USES Ratings for initial seeding into Brackets
:D

It would actually come out to just over 1.925 million dollars if EVER current member renewed at 250 dollars a year. And no I dont think that someone should get paid that to do the ratings but if we had an extra 1.9 Million a year we could HIRE someone to do the ratings weekly and make sure the TD reports got taken in. Then we could pay people to be Marshals on the National Tour and to be at EVERY tournament to make sure the scores got uploaded to the server immediatley after they were counted. We could also pay more people to go down and do whatever is needed at the new National Disc Golf center. They could also donate some of the money to EVERY pro purse on the National Tour Schedule to get more pros out there playing and to get more money into the pockets of our TOURING PROS. Countless things could be done with that money. One of them being a timely ratings update.

I am just trying to figure out how on earth someone could come up with a figure like $250 for a membership in order to pay the cost of someone getting paid to do the ratings?? :confused:

Do you really think that someone deserves $1.6 mil a year to keep up with the ratings??

If were bidding this, I'll do it for $900,000. Won't require benefits either.

I would give it a 1100 rating minus 4 pionts plus par for every hour there late, so that would put them at 841 as of 1:00 P.M. EST and counting.

I subracted $50 from that for what they currently use and then rounded the membership to 8000 to get my guesstimate.

Just floors me that some people (not you Millz) have zero clue how much money the PDGA currently brings in.(no bashing needed this is not a bait to get people to question that PDGA accounting)

Not bothering to dig and quote the message I am answering, but anyway.

I bet the Bowling Green Am Championship could be holding up the ratings. There were three pools of advanced players that played on two courses a day with 3 tee times at each course. Just trying to figure out how to rate a 2 on hole #7 at Keriakes in the 8am, 11am and 2pm rounds is probably fairly difficult.

That is probably the reason that arguably the smartest person in the PDGA is in charge of figuring out ratings. I am sure there is a computer formula, but with any data analysis program all variables must be put in by hand.

If it takes them another week to figure out how to correctly enter the BG Am tournament then I will wait. Because that tournament would be 5,6,7,8 of my heavily weighted rounds and kick out the Atlanta tournament I played where I completely blew up. The differences in those tournaments will probably result in a 20 point swing.

But after all, the ratings truly do not matter, unless you want to play MA2 and your rating was ~910 or your a declining pro whose rating was 956.

Half of the people whining about the ratings update are middle to high level advanced players where the rating really does not matter one iota.

And you're sure that every current member of the PDGA will just fork over $250 per year to fund that mega-budget? If all current members are that willing to part with $250 to be a member and support the organization, why is it we only have about 130 people paying the $150 Ace club membership at the moment?

I'd be willing to bet that you'd lose a good 75% of your membership with that kind of dues increase. Which leaves you with about $475,000 in your budget...or roughly 66% of last year's PDGA revenues. Try hiring more staff and winging marshalls across the country on that budget, while at the very least maintaining that status quo as far as service goes.

Again, it's not about being cheap, it's about priorities. Not every member in this organization is as dedicated to the game as you are, Steve. Many people would rather spend that $250 elsewhere.

--Josh

I'd be willing to bet that you'd lose a good 75% of your membership with that kind of dues increase. Which leaves you with about $475,000 in your budget...or roughly 66% of last year's PDGA revenues. Try hiring more staff and winging marshalls across the country on that budget, while at the very least maintaining that status quo as far as service goes.





PDGA dues are just part of the revenue. How about ALL the $2-$3-$4 fees....$5 non-member fees...sanctioning fees. They bring in a whole h3ll of alot more then $475k fyi.

Thanks to all you volunteers who donate countless hours of personal time. Thank you for all the sacrifices you make for the thankless.

The worst thanks volunteers receive are ones that start like this: "Thanks for volunteering. I really appreciate the work you do, BUT you could do a better job if you only....blah, blah, blah."

One reply to comments like this: "That's a great idea, when are you available to help."

I would rate the ratings process as a 750 golfer playing open, can you say DFL. Just kidding I don't really care when they are up as long as I bump up over 960. It is pretty redonkulous though.

Sub 900 for sure.

We should be thankful to even have a player rating because it's the closest thing we have to a handicap system. I do not believe it's the most accurate system, but it's a great tool and enables us to see how much better/worse our games are getting.

I agree with Sandalman, real time rating updates would be the best solution. It will save time, money and "volunteer" resources.

Just throwing an idea around; I'm probably in the minority here but I believe the PDGA should reduce their membership fees in order to generate more members. If the dues were increased more than $50 we would lose members. I renew my membership every year because I want to support the governing body of the sport I love, and save $5 at sanctioned tournaments of course :cool: maybe by lowering the membership fees we could generate some kind of PDGA movement for new members???

I looked it up before I posted. According to the Spring issue of DGWN, the PDGA's total revenue in 2004 was $713,000, of which $377,000 was membership dues (roughly 50% of the total). So if you were to use the figure I used of $475,000 in membership revenue to figure out the additional revenues (double up membership), you'd probably end up with a total revenue of about $950,000. But that's assuming that the number of tournaments and players maintains in spite of the sharp decrease in membership, and I doubt very much those numbers will stay the same at all. So I'm guessing you'd probably end up with close to the same total revenue as 2004. In other words, not much will change budget-wise, but you'll succeed in alienating a large portion of the membership.

A steep increase in dues won't solve anything, but more qualified volunteer help might. Those that do offer to help (or hold office) are only offering what they can afford to give...some give way more than they can afford. Why do you think there's been such turn-over on the Board in recent years? People's real lives get in the way...sometimes unexpectedly. I don't doubt this is one of the causes of the delay with the ratings.

Being a bit late on a ratings update really does not equate to a volunteer firefighter failing to show up to a burning building. No one is going to die because the update comes at 10pm on Tuesday instead of 8am on Monday. Relax folks.

--Josh

Anybody from the PDGA monitoring this who can give us a clue as to when to expect ratings? I mean if they're next week, that's fine but save me the effort of checking.

Just going by what you say that 75% wuold not renew(which i dont dispute) you have shown that the revenue from membership dues alone would increase by over $100k AND you did not take into account that of the 75% that do not renew because of an increase, nearly 100% of them (you could also say mor ethen 100% since the value of a tournement increases and would likely draw more players) would still play PDGA events on a regular to semi-regualar basis meaning they would have to pay the $5 non-member fee each time which could actually be MORE then the current PDGA dues bring in right now.

BTW, my only point before was that it wouldnt take much to outsource certain important things. And to show that $250 increase is off the charts ridiculous to do if you were needing extra money to hire someone to crunch numbers. $5 increase would do the trick.

[Disclaimer: I do not think the dues should be raised $250 or even $5. I am just entertaining what could happen if they did and probably doing a bad job of it...lol]

I am just trying to figure out how on earth someone could come up with a figure like $250 for a membership in order to pay the cost of someone getting paid to do the ratings?? :confused:


Well, you just don't figure things very well.

You could start by actually reading the post that threw out the $250 membership dues figure. It talked about paying for all the services currently done for you as a PDGA member, of which ratings are only a part. Imagine if you were paying TDs and the BOD and everything else....


One more thing for PIMP_THE_IDI0T: I disagree 1000% with you when you say that the ratings dudes are doing a terrible job! I think THAT they are doing a great JOB for us, and THEY do it FOR free.

Thanks all you volunteers.

$1.6 million dollars Rhett! I think you my friend have some figuring issues :)

There is no reason the PDGA should pay Td's, Td's get paid if they want to get paid right now.

Again I will point out that I was just speaking about this as entertainment, in no way do I think, now or ever(barring inflation in the not so near future) a PDGA membership should be $250 for any reason.

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One more thing for PIMP_THE_IDI0T: I disagree 1000% with you when you say that the ratings dudes are doing a terrible job! I think THAT they are doing a great JOB for us, and THEY do it FOR free.

Thanks all you volunteers.



Wow I agree! I never thought I would ever type that! ;)

One more thing for PIMP_THE_IDI0T: I disagree 1000% with you when you say that the ratings dudes are doing a terrible job! I think THAT they are doing a great JOB for us, and THEY do it FOR free.




That was REALLY grown up of you Rhett. Do you seriously think that I care what you think of me. Im just speaking my mind and giving my opinion the the subject and you and all the other PDGA brown nosers just like to JUMP ALL OVER ME!!! Grow up and learn to take some crtiticism.

Oh I forgot they are just Volunteers. I think thats the worst cop out I have ever heard. If your not going to do your job right and do it on time then DONT VOLUNTEER!!!

Oh, sorry. I forgot THAT the pimp was THE only one who WAS allowed to express an opinion on here.

Oh, one more thing pimp. If you really would prefer to have no ratings instead of getting them when they are done, you should keep up your crusade against good-doers.

Nothing will make you question why the [I'm a potty-mouth!] you bother to do stuff for free quicker than having those you do it for jump down your throat at every single turn. And that's experience talking, son.

Atleast I didnt call anyone an [I'm a potty-mouth!] when I was talking and I didnt say anything deragatory. All I said was the facts. If the fact [I'm a potty-mouth!] all you guys off so much then why dont you do something to CHANGE the facts. NONE of this would happen if we just PAID people to do these things. This is just going to keep happening and keep happening untill these people get PAID for their time.

Im sorry I dont agree with the almighty PDGA. Maybe everyone should call me an [I'm a potty-mouth!] like rhett did. That would help the situation. Man I really like the PDGA now since the person who volunteers for them and represents them just called me an [I'm a potty-mouth!]. Nice work Rhett. Keep it up and ill be sure to praise the PDGA. Oh wait no I wont.

If you say your going to do something then DO IT!!! Its just that simple. If people didnt say stuff and then not do it none of this would have came up in the first place.

Maybe a TD should say they are going to throw an event on a certain day and then just NOT throw it on that day and see what happens then??? I mean that would be ok right??? The TD is volunteering his time so he should have to show up on the day he says he will should he???

Did I call you a name?

I'm pretty sure I haven't done that in the last couple of posts. I did mention that when you are volunteering and feeling like you are a dumb (bad word) for bothering to do it, comments like yours will convince you that it isn't worth it.

But then you would know that if you volunteered.

So if you would rather not have ratings at all, then keep at this crusade against the volunteers.

And BTW, I hardly do anything to volunteer anymore, so don't let the fact that I think you are an [I'm a potty-mouth!] reflect poorly on the whole PDGA.

Well, I was going to publish the ratings tonight, but I decided that you guys are complaining too much, and don't deserve them.

-Theo

So, is that a DNF? :D

I love reading this stuff.

Did I call you a name?



Nice edit there old man!!! What happend to PIMP_THE_IDIOT that was on that post???

Well, I was going to publish the ratings tonight, but I decided that you guys are complaining too much, and don't deserve them.

-Theo



Thats a very PROFESSIONAL way to handle things.

Did I call you a name?

I'm pretty sure I haven't done that in the last couple of posts.



Um, to point out the obvious, you called him "PIMP_THE_IDI0T" just a couple of posts ago. :o

Thank you to the guys/gals who updated the ratings!! :D

Nice edit there old man!!! What happend to PIMP_THE_IDIOT that was on that post???


Oops. I guess I did call you a name. I'm old and forgot.

No edits, pimp. That post still exists in it's original form.

Well, I was going to publish the ratings tonight, but I decided that you guys are complaining too much, and don't deserve them.

-Theo



Thats a very PROFESSIONAL way to handle things.

Theo has a dry sense of humor not wetted at all by emoticons.

can an emoticon make you wet ???

well, maybe better not answer... :o

emotiocons are like rollerblades...

the worst part about using them is having to tell your dad that your ga y

Where i'm from we call that ***** "fruit boots" (Roller blades). yeah.............. I don't think so