May 23 2005, 10:27 AM
Still haven't seen it. I've seen some online retailers carrying it....briefly and I've seen some on eBay, but nothing readily available.

Slightly off topic, I finally threw the Pro Starfires and they are incredible. I won a Millenium Orion this weekend and I plan on throwing it today. Any thoughts?

jared11
May 23 2005, 10:31 AM
...i had an orion for a few days, good at first, then turned into a jls. then i threw it into a lake

Sharky
May 23 2005, 10:34 AM
I have not seen a quarter k either but found out that Mike T. (grange) bought one off of ebay for like 60 bucks, and is not planning on throwing it, but the rounded grip apparently feel radically different from other golf discs and makes one want to rip it, we shall see.......

Let me know what you think of the Orion please, after reading that they are starfire like but with a narrower rim I am intrigued.

bruceuk
May 23 2005, 10:37 AM
They're readily available here in the UK, I have one. :D

Tables turned for a change, I don't usually get to see new molds from Innova, Discraft etc for up to 12 months after they're available stateside...

Luke Butch
May 23 2005, 12:34 PM
I threw one last week. I threw a 164 and it was fairly overstable. The grip is different, but IMO not as different as a Speed Demon was. Plastic is grippy, but feels like it would beat up easily on a wooded course.

mf100forever
May 23 2005, 03:45 PM
Got one QK in the mail today :)! Planning on testing it this weekend if I get the time! Feels great, grippy red plastic, interesting....

ellswrth
May 23 2005, 11:06 PM
Where did you order it from?

May 24 2005, 02:51 AM
The Orion is a bit like a Valk to me. It's more flippy than a Starfire, in my opinion. I'll give a few more throws before I write it off though.

gnduke
May 24 2005, 02:54 AM
It does require a lot of snap.

mf100forever
May 24 2005, 03:24 AM
Matt, got it direct from Discwing, they�re writing in an attached letter that they are going to send the discs out to webshops in Europe, it does not say when though!

bruceuk
May 31 2005, 06:02 AM
New info on the QK.

Following last weekend's Hayling Island BDGA event in the UK, and testing in my sink when I got back, I can confidently announce that the Quarter K floats. :D

None of the top Open players were using the QK, but plenty of lower players and Ams were. My impression was that it enabled them to reach holes that the top players were reaching anyway, but that they wouldn't have reached previously.
Not particularly scientific evidence, I admit.

It did win the "furthest out to sea" prize, but as it was last seen floating south into the English Channel, it's probably cheating...

Jun 03 2005, 07:17 PM
I have had both a hand-poured prototype and a injection-molded first run in my hands. I did not throw either. I will tell you that they were very different from each other. You wouldn't know it was the "same" disc. The first run didn't seem so radically different as the proto. It also looked a lot slower than the proto.

Jun 03 2005, 07:23 PM
Any one carrying these discs in the states? Is there a retailer out there?...........helo? echo echo echo......

CAMBAGGER
Jun 03 2005, 07:25 PM
They're being held captive in the basement of the Alamo.

okcacehole
Jun 03 2005, 07:27 PM
That Pancho Villa is a mean sucka :o

Just go by a Pro Line Starfire or an ORC...they throw just as far...nothing special about the Quarter K to pay the prices they are going for on ebay

circle_2
Jun 03 2005, 07:29 PM
I threw one the other night...threw it with a Roc-type throw. Flew like a Roc but at least 75' farther. This one was quite beat...and had excellent glide.

Jun 03 2005, 07:31 PM
I just want one for novelty sake. If it saves some arm then it might just come off of display for effiency sake. :cool:

rrps
Jun 04 2005, 12:10 AM
They are still making there way here. I'll let you all know when they arrive.

quickdisc
Jun 04 2005, 01:36 AM
I just want one for novelty sake. If it saves some arm then it might just come off of display for effiency sake. :cool:



Hmmmmmmmmmmm..............I'll ask if they will make a Glow version !!!!! :eek:

Jun 04 2005, 02:39 AM
They're being held captive in the basement of the Alamo.

If you only knew how close to true that was. No basement, but definately getting warm on the lo-cal.

Jun 04 2005, 02:47 AM
We have someone down here that's made them available for about 2 months. I got to throw 2 different weights (167/172). Both white. Grip was 'interesting', and felt like it would be a finger saver in extremly cold weather conditions. I normally throw consistantly @ 400ft+ and could not achieve nearly the same with these discs. Perhaps after they have been broken in I might see better results. They did however make a decent forehand roller.

Blarg
Jun 04 2005, 06:32 AM
Sadly, the Quarter K has been rejected by the PDGA. The reason
I heard that was given for the rejection was that the edge of the disc was too sharp (it isn't).
I've held a prototype of this disc. In my opinion, it was no sharper than a Flash or a Flick or even a dx Orc.
I suspect politics are involved.
I've also held a revised version of the Quarter K which will probably
be approved. It is a bit blunter than the original.
In any case, all of the above is serving to delay the Quarter K's appearance on the 'open' market.
:(

P.S.
If anybody has any, I'd like to buy a few.

otimechamp
Jun 04 2005, 08:53 AM
Sun King discs is taking pre orders for it! They will be sending out the first orders in two weeks

bruceuk
Jun 04 2005, 04:03 PM
Utter garbage.

The original mold was rejected, then a second, slightly revised, mold was accepted.

Jonny had some slight shrinkage issues with the first run discs, leading to the underside of the wing being straight/slightly concave, as opposed to the intended convex design. The overall effect of that is that the disc is a touch slower and a touch more overstable than intended.
Jonny's thinking, last I heard, was to retain the current first run shape as the QK, and once he's fixed the shrinkage problem, release the originally intended mold as a totally new driver, giving him two discs on the market instead of one.
Either way, the current first run QK goes maybe 30' further than my Orcs/Beasts etc on average, which isn't bad.

Oh, and did I mention it floats? My 168g does, and I've seen a 175g floating too.

I may have to stop reading these threads, I get too annoyed at all the numpties who don't appreciate that setting up a business from scratch, including learning all about injection molding is a tough job for one guy.
Oh, and you don't have them readily available in the states yet? Somebody call the wahmbulance! They're made in the UK, distribution takes time!

scottreek
Jun 04 2005, 04:57 PM
www.underpardiscgolf.com (http://www.underpardiscgolf.com) will have some available to the U.S. sometime next week. Hopefully tuesday or wednesday. They where shipped last thursday and as soon as they arrive they will go up on the site

Blarg
Jun 04 2005, 06:39 PM
Utter garbage.

The original mold was rejected, then a second, slightly revised, mold was accepted.




Pretty much exactly what I said.
The only difference is I was told the first mold was rejected by the PDGA because the edge was too sharp.

Jun 04 2005, 07:04 PM
Whens the next "we're not ready to put it out...it'll be out by fall" press release coming out?

Moderator005
Jun 04 2005, 09:03 PM
Jonny had some slight shrinkage issues with the first run discs, leading to the underside of the wing being straight/slightly concave, as opposed to the intended convex design. The overall effect of that is that the disc is a touch slower and a touch more overstable than intended.
Jonny's thinking, last I heard, was to retain the current first run shape as the QK, and once he's fixed the shrinkage problem, release the originally intended mold as a totally new driver, giving him two discs on the market instead of one.
Either way, the current first run QK goes maybe 30' further than my Orcs/Beasts etc on average, which isn't bad.

I may have to stop reading these threads, I get too annoyed at all the numpties who don't appreciate that setting up a business from scratch, including learning all about injection molding is a tough job for one guy.




Then he should have gotten some help from an established disc company, and stopped advertising 9 months ago that his disc was out. Instead we now have a disc coming out that bears less resemblance to the hand poured prototypes and its original intended design. Because of the shrinkage problem, the Quarter K will not fly much further than existing discs. There's not going to be that 'WOW' factor where people are gaining an extra 60-75' feet on their drives. At $20 or more for a DX plastic disc that beats up easily and doesn't really outperform the existing technology, I can foresee that most people will probably wait for the next mold. Which should arrive in the U.S. another 1-2 years from now. :D

Jun 05 2005, 05:01 PM
remember when the Epic was all hyped up and was going to be the next greatest and fartherst flying thing out there? dont get too impatient people its just another piece of plastic that flys like anything else. you guys should worry more about putting than getting an extra 30 feet on your drives.

denny1210
Jun 05 2005, 08:02 PM
well said, westa:

just saw john e mccray win a sudden death shootout match in ocala with an ace run on a giant 435 ft. s-shot over a 20 ft. tree. i believe he used a medium-fast gateway blaze. there's no disc in the world that will ever make a guy like me throw a shot like that and there shouldn't be. there's no substitute for the combination of skills and practice.

esalazar
Jun 05 2005, 10:17 PM
it floats??? :D

CAMBAGGER
Jun 05 2005, 10:24 PM
chit floats? :cool:

esalazar
Jun 05 2005, 10:26 PM
flmfao!! thats hilarious!! :D

Jun 06 2005, 12:20 AM
well said, westa:

just saw john e mccray win a sudden death shootout match in ocala with an ace run on a giant 435 ft. s-shot over a 20 ft. tree. i believe he used a medium-fast gateway blaze. there's no disc in the world that will ever make a guy like me throw a shot like that and there shouldn't be. there's no substitute for the combination of skills and practice.




What hole was it?

sleepy
Jun 06 2005, 09:05 PM
Wham Bam Thank You AM had some quarter K's in a raffle got to throw a couple. THe feel is good kinda reminded me of the feeling of a blow fly but a lot harder no flex to the disc. Just wasnt impressed on how it flew though. Moose Luebeck threw a couple too didnt come close to his starfire

Boneman
Jun 06 2005, 09:30 PM
That's because STARFIRES are the BOMB! lol

esalazar
Jun 06 2005, 09:33 PM
word!!!!

the_kid
Jun 06 2005, 09:37 PM
That's because STARFIRES are the BOMB! lol



The Pro ones are way too flippy but the CFR starfires were the last thing to leave my bag when I went to Gateway. :D

esalazar
Jun 06 2005, 09:51 PM
That's because STARFIRES are the BOMB! lol



The Pro ones are way too flippy but the CFR starfires were the last thing to leave my bag when I went to Gateway. :D



you just needed to learn how to throw them!! :D

the_kid
Jun 06 2005, 09:55 PM
I threw the Pro SF and i could get it to fly far if I hyzered it and threw it 45'n the air so it had time to comee back after it flipped over but that is about it. Then again I still like the DX beast even though I don't throw them.

Boneman
Jun 06 2005, 10:15 PM
Sorry ... I know this is off topic ... but, Mike Barnett at sunkingdiscs.com, just got a handfull of new Champion Starfire L's (with his classy sunking logo stamp) in. Might solve that flippy problem, from what i've heard, they are a tad more stable than the Pros. But then if you are throwing Gateway ... YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE. LOL.

Now back to your regular programming. "The Mystery of the Invisible Quarter K's".

the_kid
Jun 06 2005, 10:49 PM
Actually I don't have to throw exclusively gateway but I do. :D

quickdisc
Jun 06 2005, 10:52 PM
Hey Scooter , have you thrown the Quarter K ?

the_kid
Jun 06 2005, 10:54 PM
Nope but i saw it at worlds.

esalazar
Jun 06 2005, 10:57 PM
i have 4 of them!! only 2 are similar!! :D

quickdisc
Jun 06 2005, 11:19 PM
Are they Overstable or Understable ?

sleepy
Jun 07 2005, 01:53 AM
The 173gram red one was pretty overstable but the 165gram one i threw exactly the same flipped over right away and rolled but i was throwing real hard and only had a couple chances to throw them

scottreek
Jun 07 2005, 02:58 PM
www.underpardiscgolf.com (http://www.underpardiscgolf.com) has the Quarter K available now

otimechamp
Jun 07 2005, 11:47 PM
Sorry ... I know this is off topic ... but, Mike Barnett at sunkingdiscs.com, just got a handfull of new Champion Starfire L's (with his classy sunking logo stamp) in. Might solve that flippy problem, from what i've heard, they are a tad more stable than the Pros. But then if you are throwing Gateway ... YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE. LOL.

Now back to your regular programming. "The Mystery of the Invisible Quarter K's".




He is also taking pre ordesrs for the Quater K I think they go out next week to all who pre order

sun_king
Jun 08 2005, 09:31 PM
FYI,
Do disspell any rumors, we are currently taking pre-orders for both the Discwing Quarter K ($10.99) and the Discraft Elite X Avenger ($8.99) through our site. Unlike other sites we already have actual product reserved (Quarter K) or on it's way (Avenger). Click below to get more info.

Discraft Elite X Avenger Pre-Order (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3122-XAVNG)
Discwing Quarter K Pre-Order (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3175-DWQK)

Jun 09 2005, 03:32 PM
I received my Quarter K today from underpardiscgolf.com and I only got to throw it a few times but I was impressed so far. i threw it along with my dx beast and the qk flew about 25 feet farther. I will go out and throw it more tomorrow. Of course I have a weenie arm and can only throw about 300 ft but I am still impressed

scottreek
Jun 09 2005, 06:07 PM
Glad to see that you got your QK Blue. I have been throwing mine and really liking it. The rounded lip takes getting used to but otherwise I am throwing it farther than anything else I have. It seems to be a little overstable but nothing serious. Flys alot like my tsunami or beast.

n8bitner
Jun 13 2005, 08:07 PM
flys very similar to a starfire. Just got mine yesterday and threw it about 10 times today ans really liked it. the round rim feels very smooth coming out of the hand.It seems like it will prevent any blisters you might get when throwing a different disc.

Over all flew just as far as my starfires and my orcs. I will definatly put one in my bag.

Moderator005
Jun 23 2005, 04:09 PM
flys very similar to a starfire. Just got mine yesterday and threw it about 10 times today ans really liked it. the round rim feels very smooth coming out of the hand.It seems like it will prevent any blisters you might get when throwing a different disc.

Over all flew just as far as my starfires and my orcs. I will definatly put one in my bag.



Courtesy of UnderPar Disc Golf and Fantasy Disc Golf, yesterday I received a free First Run Quarter K. This is not a hand-poured prototype, this is the first production run which as previously reported by Neil Webber (BruceUK) had some slight shrinkage issues. This led to the underside of the wing being straight/slightly concave, as opposed to the intended convex design, resulting in a disc that is a touch slower and a touch more overstable than intended.

I took the disc out over lunch today for some flight testing. I would agree that this disc flies like a CFR Starfire - almost dead straight, then a normal tail-off at the end. There was a small breeze (there's a flagpole out at the park I throw at, and the wind wasn't strong, barely enough to blow the flag horizontal) and thrown flat and directly into the slight headwind, the disc wouldn't waggle.

Compared to my benchmark distance drivers (Champion Viking, CFR Starfire, Pro Starfire) I did not notice any extra distance with the Quarter K. In fact, I typically threw my Pro Starfire farther when I acheived the proper flight with it - getting it up with a higher release, followed by a long turnover flight, ending with a low speed fade. About the only way I could get some good D with the Quarter K was to wait for a good tailwind and snap high with anhyzer. It would ride a similar turnover flight, ending with a pronounced low speed fade.

I think that compared to the prototypes which were reported as somewhat flippy, big arms that already throw far will enjoy this first run mold. Because of the molding issues, it's strong enough to resist the high speed turn, and pros will appreciate having a fast, aerodynamic disc with a better degree of predictibility. I think that big arms will throw this disc as far as their normal drivers, and with predictable results.

However, I do not think the first run Quarter K will do much for golfers with only average power, especially those that use a long 'reverse S' to obtain their distance throws. This disc just seems a little too resistant to high speed turn for that purpose.

There is one VERY BIG problem with the Quarter K, however. While the plastic is nice and grippy with almost a rubbery feel to it, it's also extraordinarily soft. I threw the disc maybe a dozen times on a wide open baseball field with grass not even an inch long, and the disc took a beating! I threw one particularly poor release with the nose up a bit, and the disc hyzered off sharply. The resulting landing put a nasty scuff on the edge that required sandpaper to remove the plastic burrs; honest to God, this plastic is softer than any DX plastic I've seen in the last ten years. I think the Lightning discs I used to throw in 1995 have tougher plastic than the Quarter K. Forget throwing this plastic anywhere near trees; this disc can barely take grass-only landings.

While the disc can be acquired from some vendors now for as little as $13, I think I'll want to wait for the next mold. Unless the flight pattern adjusts as the disc beats up, this disc will not likely produce the extra distance for me. I'm hoping that the next mold will avoid the shrinkage issues and achieve the convex mold that was the original aerodynamic design. I'm also hoping that a more durable plastic is utilized.

ChunkyleeChong
Jun 23 2005, 11:07 PM
Ill second the durability issue. I got one of the british open QKs. I threw it in a open field with a chain link fence going across. 300 feet out it hit the fence and just about totaled the disc.the chain links gouged in over half way through the rim

Jun 24 2005, 03:16 AM
u heard it hear first kids. another epic

Moderator005
Jun 24 2005, 11:33 AM
u heard it hear first kids. another epic



I wouldn't go that far. The Epic suffers from being radically unpredictable when thrown backhand, not a great attribute for golf. It seems like its only usefulness is by those who primarily throw thumbers and overhand shots, which is a very small percentage of disc golfers.

And it doesn't seem like there's any hope for improvement with the Epic, which is not the case with the Quarter K. If the production issues can be solved, there's no telling how popular this disc could be. But it's gonna take the right mold and the right plastic - the current stuff is only slightly stronger than a cold stick of butter! :D

Jun 24 2005, 11:42 AM
And it doesn't seem like there's any hope for improvement with the Epic, which is not the case with the Quarter K. If the production issues can be solved, there's no telling how popular this disc could be. But it's gonna take the right mold and the right plastic - the current stuff is only slightly stronger than a cold stick of butter! :D



With "the right mold and the right plastic" any disc could be the next most popular disc ever.

Moderator005
Jun 24 2005, 12:52 PM
With "the right mold and the right plastic" any disc could be the next most popular disc ever.



Would any of those other discs fly a hundred feet or more farther than all other drivers? Hardly. The Quarter K was designed by a PhD in aerodynamics. If he can just get the molding issues and plastic down, this disc should take off, no pun intended.

gnduke
Jun 24 2005, 01:42 PM
The problem with the Epic was it's design to adjustable. That left it with a flight path that was adjusted every time it hit the ground. I found it to have an eccentric flight path, but a very predictable one, until it hit something and adjusted itself.

Jun 24 2005, 01:44 PM
With "the right mold and the right plastic" any disc could be the next most popular disc ever.



Would any of those other discs fly a hundred feet or more farther than all other drivers? Hardly. The Quarter K was designed by a PhD in aeronautics. If he can just get the molding issues and plastic down, this disc should take off, no pun intended.



It was more of a joke on how you worded it. A disc is only defined by the mold and the plastic. If you have to change both of them then it isn't really the same disc. You can change the mold and plastic of a DX Birde and end up with a CFR Starfire. ;)

rhett
Jun 24 2005, 02:57 PM
The Quarter K was designed by a PhD in aeronautics.


I don't know if Dunipace has a PhD, but I'm pretty that was his field of study.

Jun 24 2005, 03:53 PM
[I don't know if Dunipace has a PhD, but I'm pretty that was his field of study.



If I recall correctly, Dave's degree was in some branch of psychology.

Regarding the Quarter K, I recently received one but have not had a chance yet to throw it. (Once I do, I will be able to report from the perspective of a noodle-arm. :) ) I was disappointed to see that the bottom of the rim was not quite convex -- as reported in more detail by The Lung. I do hope that Discwing can work through some of these issues -- refine the molding process and get a better plastic. They seem to have some interesting ideas -- the literature they sent with the disc showed a forthcoming midrange and putter, too.

sandalman
Jun 24 2005, 03:55 PM
yeah i saw that also. i wonder if the midrange and the putter will also be the most anticipated discs in the history of disc??? :D

my_hero
Jun 24 2005, 03:58 PM
They were very uncomfy in my hands. The rim was just too weird. I don't know if i'd be able to throw it. Then again, why would i? :p

sandalman
Jun 24 2005, 04:03 PM
i'm gonna bring one of mine out to the Vet on sunday and give a few throws just to say i actually threw one. you can throw it also if you give me one brand new first run z-buzzz! :D

Moderator005
Jun 24 2005, 05:10 PM
The Quarter K was designed by a PhD in aeronautics.


I don't know if Dunipace has a PhD, but I'm pretty that was his field of study.



FYI, I edited my original post to make the correction that it was aerodynamics, not aeronautics.

Jun 24 2005, 05:18 PM
Here is the scoop on Dr. Dave's degree from the website:

Dave Dunipace has a background in science and sports and, to a lesser degree, music. He was a pre- med student as an undergrad before switching to psychology and earning a PhD.

rhett
Jun 24 2005, 05:49 PM
I couda swore he studied some engineering in there, too. Oh well.

sandalman
Jun 24 2005, 06:09 PM
mental engineering

davei
Jun 24 2005, 07:45 PM
Just engineering physics. Aerodynamics was just an interest of mine as my father worked for Northrup Aviation. I kept up on many aviation magazines.

Jun 25 2005, 01:03 AM
wouldn't it be safe to say that you have extensively studied the aerodynamics of flying discs for several decades? :D

Jun 25 2005, 01:07 AM
They seem to have some interesting ideas -- the literature they sent with the disc showed a forthcoming midrange and putter, too.



i sure hope they work on an MTA/SCF disc. The MTA-weight Condor is definitely a winner, but it would be nice for another company to push the SCF disc envelope and generate interest in this underappreciated, thrilling disc sport. :D

Jun 25 2005, 06:30 PM
Got to go out and throw my new Quarter K (white, 171-gm) at Hoover/Hambrick this morning. First throw, I got the nose up a bit, and it did not go too far. My second attempt was much better, not a tremendous drive, but one of my better drives, probably 275 or so.

To be honest, I had better drives with my other new disc, a 171-gm bright yellow Sidewinder, which is going to be a great disc for me.

But back to the Quarter K. I smacked a couple of trees with it, but it emerged pretty well unscathed. It has an interesting feel to it, and I will need to throw it more to get used to it. I think someone once described the plastic as having almost a leather feel to it, and I would agree.

To really be successful with this thing, they really need to solve the molding problem so they can get the convex shape that is supposed to be on the underside of the rim, and they may need to get a more premium plastic. The current version is not a failure, but it is a bit of a disappointment.

For now, I would steer noodle arms to the Sidewinder, a really nice disc with great glide. But if Discwing comes out with an improved version of the Quarter K (in my case, that stands for "quarter kilofoot"), I'll try another one.

jugggg
Jun 25 2005, 09:20 PM
Still trying to get my buddy to throw his Q K. He thinks it will be a collectors item. I think it will be the Ryan Leaf of disc golf.

Jul 01 2005, 12:29 PM
I have heard the molds have changed a little durinf production of this disc. Has anyone thrown this new mold? What do you think of the production line compared to the previous mold? Is this disc anything different? How does it feel in the hand with that funky rim? Does it have alot of glide? Please feel free to enlighten me on this disc.

my_hero
Jul 01 2005, 01:07 PM
I've held a few different ones. I can't get over how uncomfy it is in My_Hands. It may be great, but it's not for me.

sandalman
Jul 01 2005, 01:17 PM
i'm gonna bvring a htrowable one again this sunday. i wanna throw it just to see what it feelsflies like. but i'm expecting greater improvements to my game from my new 360-handstand turbo putt.

lauranovice
Jul 01 2005, 01:56 PM
I wanna see the 360 handstand turbo putt :cool: :D

my_hero
Jul 01 2005, 01:57 PM
me too!!!!!!!!!!!

Jul 01 2005, 01:59 PM
I do mine left handed with a blind fold. :D

sandalman
Jul 01 2005, 02:04 PM
hey now... i'm not into that kinky stuff! :o

Jul 01 2005, 02:34 PM
DOE! Hey man, I dont go that way.

Just ordered one of them Quarter mile discs. It should ship Tues. I think I might have it in my hand for next weekend. ;)

Blarg
Jul 03 2005, 06:55 AM
Just got my 'first run' Quarter K. I am disappointed so far. It is a very different disc from what was promised.
From what I've seen, in a nutshell, the prototype was radical, was disapproved by the pdga, was retooled and is no longer anything special.
I held a prototype, and the underside of the rim was convex. Viewed in cross section, the rim was symmetrical. The curve under the rim matched the curve of the shoulder above into the flight plate. It looked fascinating and I was dying to try it. Sadly, this prototype design was rejected by the pdga for some unknown reason. The retooled (currently available) disc has a convex curve to the lower rim much like many (most) other drivers.

Jul 03 2005, 02:30 PM
I think it was actually a plastic/cooling/mold problem as opposed to a PDGA rejection issue. But I've been wrong before. :D

sandalman
Jul 03 2005, 06:07 PM
the first runs i got are barely, if at all concave. i cant really say they are convex, though, either. i finally got to throw one this morning. the quarter K is not an overstable disc. it seems to have fairly good lift. i threw one about 60%, quite flat, and got substantial lift which resulted in very good distance considering the juice i put on it. the thing that surprised me the most wasthe speed. its not fast like a Flick, but its no slow-poke either. i was expecting somethinga bit slower, and the speed was a pleasant surprise. we were in the field, but the discs did still pick up a few small nicks. as others have mentioned, the plastic is not gonna win any durability awards. some people just plain do not like the feel. this seems to be more of a shape issue, as the plastic is very grippy.

anyone looking for a good straight long distance driver, who is willing to take a few throws to adjust to the rim shape, and who isnt locked into a particular label, would do well to give the quarter K a fair tryout.

quickdisc
Jul 04 2005, 12:30 AM
I just thrown 2 different ones.

The White one , 168 grams , flips over ( Turnover) with alot of snap.

The Red one , 170 grams, is pretty good for Flex shots.

Questionable on the durability issue right now.

Maybe because it's first run stuff.

Still experimenting with other peoples plastic.

Do not have one of my own. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Jul 04 2005, 01:53 PM
Got my Quarter K this weekend. 166g, white. As others have said, the plastic feels very grippy and great in the hand. It also feels like huge chunks will be gouged out of the rim if I even look at a tree.

My throws with the Quarter K have left me impressed, but not flabbergasted. The disc goes a long way, as long as my longest drivers, but not longer. My distance driver is a 175g orange Flash, and I get about 400 feet on a flat release throw. The Quarter K seemed to fly about the same distance, same release, with a slightly tighter S-Curve. I find both discs almost impossible to flip up from hyzer angle, and any anhyzer angle put them on a turn that they wouldn't come back from.

A good disc, but nothing revolutionary. I'd be interested in throwing a retooled mold or alternate plastic that had the convex rim.

Jul 05 2005, 01:53 PM
Maybe we can take some silicone and put a bead along the inside rim and then take a popsicle stick to shape the rim back to the original production design. :D

Jul 06 2005, 07:01 PM
Got mine in the mail today and no you can not throw it. :D

bruce_brakel
Jul 07 2005, 04:19 PM
I got mine today, 100 of them. I'll be bringing most of them to Rockford for IOS #4.

Jul 07 2005, 07:05 PM
Sweet! I have not thrown mine yet but maybe I will do that before I leave work today. Nice big open feild in the back. Whats the life expectancy of this plastic. Seams like the flight plate will have dips in it after it hits a couple of obsticles kinda like the blow fly.

Jul 07 2005, 09:01 PM
I threw this disc twice, reminds me a lot of my champ. beast, maybe a touch more stable making it about 10-20ft. longer on both throws. I will be getting my own in a few weeks, but not sure how much I'll really throw it because the plastic feel kinda weak.

Moderator005
Jul 12 2005, 01:35 PM
I'm using it on open holes at my local course. Again, I have to deliver it with a throwing style that is somewhat awkward, it requires the strong high snap with anhyzer that one must use to get an overstable disc to fly far. The Quarter K really motors though because it slows down less at the end of its flight - this is one fast disc. I'm assuming that with just a little more use the weak plastic will break in and I'll be able to throw the disc flat.

Jul 12 2005, 02:16 PM
I was under the assumption that you are supposed to use disc speed to make an overstable driver fly correctly. Are you really supposed to throw overstable discs(RHBH) with anhyzer to correct for thier strong left pull? :confused:

Jul 12 2005, 02:30 PM
I was under the assumption that you are supposed to use disc speed to make an overstable driver fly correctly. Are you really supposed to throw overstable discs(RHBH) with anhyzer to correct for thier strong left pull? :confused:



It kind of depends on what you want the shot to do. If I want a straight, long golf shot I'll normally throw something that I can put a bit of hyzer on and have it flip up to flat. If I need a shot that will go straight or right, but not max distance and then hyzer really hard I'll throw an overstable disc with a bit of an anhyzer. I find that throwing overstable discs with a lot of anhyzer in an attempt to get them to go far is harder to control than throwing a less overstable disc flat or with a bit of a hyzer.

WVOmorningwood
Jul 12 2005, 02:31 PM
I got a red and a white one both 174g, and my first inmpression when just holding in my hand is that it would be a good two finger disc. I threw the red one on my home course and yes the disc lends itself nicely to a two finger shot. Specifically two finger roller...I threw a 60% shot with about 80 degrees anhyzer and it took off for around 320ft before it curled. I haven't gotten to unleash it yet, but I'm sure that this will make a fine twofinger roller.

One othe thing I noted that it finishes (hyzers out) very fast some what similar to a RAM. Where as a ROC would finish about 20 right of the line it was thrown on...this thing just finished about 5-10 feet right of the line. (this was noted with a two finger)

I hit one tree pretty hard with it and I also skidded it across the rocks in my driveway (not on purpose) and the plastic seems to hold up better than DX, as there were no gashes in the plastic...more like it was indented slightly. My finger nails did not chew up the back like DX.

I also threw a baseball with it and it takes longer to get on to its top to plane out...it hold the vertical line much longer than a ROC. I threw it at 90 degrees (vertical) in the air about 75 ft and 200 feet in distance and the thing barley made it on to it's top before hitting the ground.

I'll be using the Q-K as my two finger roller, I'm sure.

PS I'm a lefty...but I wrote this as if I was a righty

That's my 2 cents...hope it makes sense :cool:

Jul 12 2005, 02:31 PM
I can't figure this disc out! It seams to get the most D with an S curve. Will this thing stand up straight when released with hyzer? Have not had to many open holes to experiment with. The rocks tend to eat this disc up.

sandalbagger
Jul 13 2005, 12:42 AM
I dont know about anyone else, but my friend hit the ground with a big spike hyzer and the disc is absolutley runied. It is bent on the rim like I have never seen a disc bend before. WOW!!!!!!!!! Ive never seen such damage with one throw. I will be holding off on these. they are also really tall in profile. Really strange. Ill stick with my valks and orcs.

Blarg
Jul 13 2005, 04:34 AM
My Quarter K arrived with a big dent on about a quarter of the flight plate where it joins the rim. :(

Jul 13 2005, 06:06 AM
I just ordered mine yesterday. I'm not sure what to expect. All I know is that it is going to be red.

Jul 13 2005, 06:32 AM
Quarter K's Sold Here... (https://www.discnation.com/)

Aug 03 2005, 09:56 AM
Speaking of the Quarter K... Now that the disc has been out for a while, does anyone know what the deal is with getting production versions to measure up to the originally envisioned design? I have been reasonably happy with my QK, but would like to try a "real" QK if they ever get their production straightened out and produce the disc in its intended profile.

Also, does anyone have any word on the midrange and driver mentioned in the literature that was packed with the QK?

Finally, any word on Discwing switching to a more durable plastic? I believe they are going to have to do this to be a viable force in the market.

gokayaksteven
Aug 31 2005, 11:12 PM
who's throwing these and what do you think? i love mine. i like the feel of the plastic, and the rounded underside of the grip. not sure about the durability yet. these fly far and are very controllable for me.

Sep 01 2005, 03:02 AM
i liked it until i hit a pole at la mirada... it was about 250ft away on a wide open downhill hole(dont ask me what kind of "luck" it took to hit this skinny pole). The rim yielded pretty good and the dome bubbled up-- bought the disc that day and now its high tech flight design is ruined! it seemed to be flying nice and straight for a good distance for me...i like the grip too. The curvature of the rim is nice.

Sep 01 2005, 09:25 AM
So far, durability has not been an issue. I have been throwing mine without incident -- have gone into a few trees and expected the worst, but the QK has held up just fine. Still, I'd sure love to see a QK in a tougher plastic in the future. This is my go-to disc in a light headwind or when I need some fade at the end, otherwise I am throwing a Sidewinder most of the time. Both discs have made a nice improvement in my driving distance and accuracy. I can throw my Flash about as far, but with nowhere near the accuracy of the QK or SW. BTW, all three are identical weight, 171 grams. For the record, I am a 56-yr-old overweight weenie arm who throws about 240-300 depending on the wind, terrain, and luck.

Maybe instead of trying to shoot my age, I should be striving to outdrive my weight, or better yet, underweigh my drive! :D

Sep 01 2005, 09:47 AM
I don't know if the one I have is a different mold or something happened in production but its way to overstable for me. Its more stable than any other disc that I have. I just can't throw it. But I do fine with Orcs and Starfires.

Moderator005
Sep 01 2005, 10:37 AM
I don't know if the one I have is a different mold or something happened in production but its way to overstable for me. Its more stable than any other disc that I have. I just can't throw it. But I do fine with Orcs and Starfires.



Do you have a heavy disc? The lighter weights are less overstable. But no matter what the weight, keep throwing it and it will beat up in no time. The flimsy plastic can't resist diddly.

gdstour
Sep 01 2005, 10:41 AM
First of all I want to say I was a disc golf player long before we started making discs. I started playing "frisbee" golf back in 1972 and have always been fascinated by the flight and shapes of the disc, why should I stop now?

Since I began making discs my insight to what makes a disc perform is only surpassed by a hand full of people.

Being that I have a shop that sells all makes and models of disc I feel I have every right to test fly and report findings of models we are selling.
If someone has a problem with this please email me directly david@gdstour.com.

I have had about 20 throws with the QK 171g. Some of them as far as 480'(Ive thrown a E sabres, Illusions and S spirits around 525') but of course I have had a lot more throws than 20.
The disc does feel great in the hand, like our wider rim discs the Spirit and Illusion. I usually prefer the feel of matted plastic over the smoother stuff.
I had some problems controlling the disc into the wind, but cross wind and down wind it pretty much held true to the flight.
This disc seems to fly very similiar to a broken in Illusion when new (very fast with a long glide and a little fade at the end),I needed to throw the QK a little higher than the Illusion/Spirit as it dindt seem to have quite as much lift.
As mentioned here before, the plastic is subject to wear and tear very easily and the flight charateristic gets broken down rather quickly.
The plastic seemd to be closer to what is use in putters and I think would be AWESOME in a putter or mid-range!
After a few direct tree hits the disc was not able to handle the speeds it could when new without flippping hard right.
If you have one, I would reccomend using it ONLY on open holes unless you can afford to buy new ones all the time.
I am a little confused as to why this disc made in regular plastic would cost the same or even more than the higher end polymers.
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If this disc was produced in TPU (candy) I wouldnt expect it to fly anywhere near the same.
The smoother surface of TPU, combined with considerably less domage would most likely cause the disc to be a lot more overstable.
If I'm not mistaken the mass of the QK may be too large for the weight of the TPU. I think a little over 120 cubic cm is just about the max and from the looks of the QK it seems to be close to 140.

Sep 01 2005, 10:59 AM
Mine is all warped, and I really haven't thrown it much, and now I don't throw it at all.

Sep 02 2005, 03:26 PM
Dave:

Good post -- nice objective look at a rival disc. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the literature I got with my QK shows a midrange and putter, but I have not heard anything more about these. I like the feel of the QK and would think that a similar feel in a midrange and putter would be a good thing.

BTW, I love the Wizard and use a Demon for some midrange shots (fun disc and durable as heck in the old S plastic -- the color of Comet cleanser, there's a blast from the past!), but have never been able to get much use from your drivers. When the Hybrid comes out I may give that a try -- got some use from the Sabre, but lost it and have since found the Z-Buzzz to be as useful on tight holes where I want a straight control drive -- I'm a weenie arm, as if you have not guessed already. I probably should try an Illusion, actually -- Spirit was too overstable for me.

Again, I appreciate the tone of your post on the QK and hope that others (are you reading this, DeadHead? ;) ) will follow your lead when posting about rival discs. Keep up the good work!

Sep 20 2005, 09:09 AM
I picked up a white K a few weeks ago. It seemed a little hard to control at first. The K wants to bank HARD left so I need to throw it out there very level or with a bit of anhyzer.

I wasn't too happy with it but then I got my first ace with it so I decided maybe it's not so bad. I shot a 170ft line drive, threw it out a little to the right and it S-curved right into the chains with much velocity. Sweet.

My home course is a little on the short side so I've yet to really stretch out with the K on a pure distance/power drive, but from the flights I've seen I believe this may be my best distance driver. I can't wait to open it up on a longer course.

Sep 21 2005, 04:39 AM
I just started throwing one the other day. This thing is FAST. I haven't had any problem with it being "overstable" mine is a 173g. It glides nice to the right and just keeps hanging out there. Like anything new it took a few throws to feel it out. On its first good flight it was out there with my Tsunami and my Orcs(450ft easy). Just got a Pro Wraith with the Champ ones coming in. So we will see about all that I'll post about those in their respective places.
Wally
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